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Daniel 9:24-27
« on: October 31, 2014, 03:37:28 am »
Brother salam,
last day one of my friend who is christian show me those verse (Daniel 9:24-27) and said look bible prophesied about jesus death then how can u muslim say jesus was not crucified, after that i read those verses and and search for answer but still cant find any suitable answer would you please help me to answer their question.

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Re: Daniel 9:24-27
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 08:50:27 pm »
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can be seen here verse 25 "From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble"


After period of 69 'seven years'.  the anointed ruler will have to teach covenant for 1 'seven years' .

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As can be seen here verse 26" After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

So we dont see any mentioning about after death, that the anointed shall wake up 3 days later and give teachings for another 7 years before ascending to heaven.
Nor we see anything mentioned about anointed having equal status to God.
**Christians believe after resurrection the annotated was only 40 days on earth by the way.

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can be seen here verse 25 "From the emergence of the word to return and to build Jerusalem until the anointment of the prince will be seven septets, and fir sixty-two septets it will be rebuilt, street and moat but in troubled times."

some jews believe about two annointed rulers and not one annointed being mentioned in Daniel 9.

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As can be seen here verse 26" Then, after the sixty-two septets , the anointed one will be cut off and will exist no longer; the people of the prince will come and will destroy the city and the Sanctuary; but his end will be (to be swept away as) in a flood. Then, until the end of the war, desolation is decreed.27 He will also forge a strong covenant with the great ones, for one septet, but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meal offerings and the mute abominations will be upon soaring heights, until extermination as decreed will pour down upon the mute (abomination)..

the translation from  annointed one will be cut off;for some jews refer to Agrippa, the last Jewish King.

ALSO, in Daniel 9:21-23 we can see Gabriel/Holy Spirit transmitting words of God to Daniel, to understand what is being ordained/decreed by God.

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Re: Daniel 9:24-27
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2014, 01:52:24 am »
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Brother salam,
last day one of my friend who is christian show me those verse (Daniel 9:24-27) and said look bible prophesied about jesus death then how can u muslim say jesus was not crucified, after that i read those verses and and search for answer but still cant find any suitable answer would you please help me to answer their question.

thank you
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Let us examine the verses in question in details:

(the red commentary are mine)

Daniel 9:24-27
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
24 God has decided that for seventy weeks,[a] your people and your holy city must suffer as the price of their sins. Then evil will disappear, and justice will rule forever (indeed, the evil zionist Israel that is the capital and center of all evil on earth, including 9/11, must be destroyed forever inorder for peace and righteousness in Palestine to be restored); the visions and words of the prophets will come true, and a most holy place will be dedicated.[b ]

25 You need to realize that from the command to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Chosen Leader (I believe this is Jesus Christ, peace be upon him),[c] it will be seven weeks and another sixty-two weeks.[d] Streets will be built in Jerusalem, and a trench will be dug around the city for protection, but these will be difficult times.[e]

26 At the end of the sixty-two weeks,[f] the Chosen Leader[g] will be killed and left with nothing (the NT is clear that Christ never died.  He was laid down in the tomb and received medical treatment from three women and others.  On the beginning of the third day, he got up and left the tomb.  So "put to death" here is symbolic and not literal.  Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm for more details).[h]

A foreign ruler and his army will sweep down like a mighty flood, leaving both the city and the temple in ruins, and war and destruction will continue until the end, just as God has decided  (indeed, this is the evil Israel of today!).

27 For one week[i ] this foreigner[j] will make a firm agreement with many people, and halfway through this week,[k] he will end all sacrifices and offerings. Then the “Horrible Thing” that causes destruction will be put there. And it will stay there until the time God has decided to destroy this one who destroys.


Nothing here refutes Islam.  On the contrary, it confirms Islam's position about the evil Israel.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for more details.



We further read in Daniel:

To prove that my commentary above is accurate, we further read in Daniel that the anti-Christ system will camp between Mount Zion and the Mediterranean sea.  This is precisely the evil state of Israel today.  In fact, it doesn't even include West Bank, Palestine:

Daniel 11
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43 and he will take its rich treasures of gold and silver. He will also conquer Libya and Ethiopia.[g]
44 But he will be alarmed by news from the east and the north, and he will become furious and cause great destruction.
45 After this, he will set up camp between the Mediterranean Sea and Mount Zion. Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him.


Again, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for more details.

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Osama Abdallah

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Re: Daniel 9:24-27
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2014, 06:21:39 am »
your christian showed you those verse (Daniel 9:24-27) and said look bible prophesied about jesus death.

but you can tell him that hebrew root karath/cut off doesnt necessarily means kill. It can some times refer to cutting ties from being part of Children of Israel.

so if we look at the verse again , the anointed one will be cut off from Israel and will exist no longer from Israel

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which makes perfect sense where he will not be preaching covenant to Israel anymore after the decreed period of 70 'seven years' is reached and he will exist no longer for israel(vanish/disapear).

if the Christians still insists to use literal meaning of kill, then the Messiah was killed and vanished. Again, it has nothing to do with waking up after 3 days and stay on earth for 40 days before vanishing himself.
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