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Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« on: June 17, 2015, 06:17:34 am »
Assalam Alaikum brothers,
Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?In most of the places i see,the answer is no.But this site says Qur'an supports evolution:

www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 11:06:14 am »
Assalam Alaikum brothers,
Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?In most of the places i see,the answer is no.But this site says Qur'an supports evolution:

www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm
I don't mind if quran suports darwinian evolution or not because darwinian evolution has been refuted several times.

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2015, 11:08:21 pm »
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 11:24:16 pm »
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 08:24:10 am »
Salam My brothers and Sisters

I have a Muslim Brother, Mohsen (he goes by the name of Scimitar), we usually are very involved defending Islam on the internet, he is also making his own videos now, may Allah bless and please him ... He is the best speaker i came across in my 10 years+on the forums.

Here is his post regarding evolution that I have saved:

Of the 99 attributes of Allah given to the Muslims, I will list two here:

Al Khaliq - The Creator
Al Bari - The Evolver

For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:

“It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.”
[Noble Quran 39:42]

“And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.”
[Noble Quran 24:45]

The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important, He can change anything as He Wills - even today.

Salam All

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 01:47:15 pm »
Brothers, is there any problem if anyone believes in evolution of other creatures, but denies the evolution of humans? Because you know, Quran says Allah created every living thing from water, and science also said life first came from water.

Quote from: Tarek Habbal
The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago.

Doesn't the Bible say they came 5000 years befroe Christ? That's what I know!

Allah Hafiz

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2015, 02:10:21 pm »
Brothers, is there any problem if anyone believes in evolution of other creatures, but denies the evolution of humans?

Yep. The phenomenon of birds becoming flightless birds(adaptation/micro evolution) doesn't contradict Islam, but the never observed phenomenon of cats turning into dogs or bears turning into whales is just  lack of reverence for ALLAH. Notwithstanding that geological timescales are nothing but farce, evolution(macro-evolution) requires tens of millions of years and one has to wonder what evidence do they have that dinosaurs fossils are in fact millions of years old.

 The deposit in which the Tyrannosaurus rex fossil was found is dated at 70 million years. Not only were blood cells found, but soft and pliable tissue as well, including flexible blood vessels!!!!  As mentioned in the following article these soft tissues shouldn’t be around for more than 125,000 years:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/news/cocktail-c14-dna-collagen-in-dinosaurs-indicates-geological-timescales-are-false/
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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2015, 02:17:26 pm »
A brilliant representation by explorer Jim Vieira exposing archaeological cover-ups, that humans were in fact taller in the past!
The cover-up was essential in launching the evolution theory(humans were shorter in the past) into mainstream media. Humans were taller in the past = Humans didn't come from apes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4sI34aIZ0

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 02:22:44 pm »
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walikum Asalam

Mainstream media doesn't support Low Gravity theory, think you should remove that section.
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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2015, 02:21:48 pm »
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walikum Asalam

Mainstream media doesn't support Low Gravity theory, think you should remove that section.

The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2015, 04:40:47 pm »


The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

That's just your interpretation and nothing else. People in the past were uncomfortable with the ayah about city of Iram and expanding heaven and were outsmarted by ALLAH that Iram was in fact a city, and heaven is actually expanding.

Another Sahih hadith explicitly states:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.(Sahih Bukhari)

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2015, 06:47:13 pm »


The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

That's just your interpretation and nothing else. People in the past were uncomfortable with the ayah about city of Iram and expanding heaven and were outsmarted by ALLAH that Iram was in fact a city, and heaven is actually expanding.

Another Sahih hadith explicitly states:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.(Sahih Bukhari)
This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2015, 05:00:12 am »

This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

Yep, but people didn't decrease in stature in Paradise!

There is no other interpretation except that people were taller in the past.
With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”

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Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2015, 08:34:23 am »
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This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

Yep, but people didn't decrease in stature in Paradise!

There is no other interpretation except that people were taller in the past.
With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”

I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.