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Offline Ramihs97

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Noah and Mary
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:27:08 am »
Is it true that Noah lived for 950 years ? If so is there anywhere in history where it's recorded or can be proved ?

As for Mary,Islam says she's a virgin. But got breathed a spirit into her ?

If so then this isn't claiming that the baby magically appeared out of anywhere there was another side to the equation and is beyond sciences realm?

In addition. I hate that im asking this استغفر الله أستغفر الله but these infidels would clam wouldn't that mean allah is the father ? As in wouldn't it be in contradiction with surat al ikhlas ?  (Lam yalid walam yowlad)

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 03:31:54 am »
^As supposed to the jewish priest that had no ancestry or no parents or anything melschek ??

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 04:19:55 am »
The spirit was the Spirit of Jesus as the Qur'an says Kun-Faya-Kun Allah said Kun,and then Jesus's spirit was breathed into him,
For Noah only a righteous scholar can refute that.

but just because of breathing a spirit you become a father?
that is SOO dumb don't even get me started that's like saying God is everyones father,Naozubillah since God said Kun to our race and we formed.

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 04:27:38 am »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi,

Great questions!  Please don't be shy to ask any question.  We're here to help you, Insha'Allah.

As to Prophet Nuh (Noah) and the 950 years that he lived, this is one of the Glorious Quran's GREATEST NUMERICAL MIRACLES, because it has Surat (Chapter) Nuh, which claims that he lived 950 years, the Surah itself is written in exactly 950 Letters, has set the Law of how to exactly

1-  Count the numerical value for each Letter in the Glorious Quran.

2-  Determine when a Letter counts as a Letter, which would then have a numerical value, and when it is only a vowel, which has no numerical value.

Please visit the following links for ample details and proofs:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles




Mary:

As to Mary, peace be upon her, her Miracle was that she got pregnant with Jesus without having a male-human being ever touch her.  I agree that her virginity was probably taken by the Holy Spirit when It came to her in a human-form to impregnate her.  And certainly, her virginity (if she still had it) was gone when she gave birth to Jesus, peace be upon him.  The Holy Spirit belongs to the WORLD OF COMMAND.  This is where all of the Mighty Created Beings from Angels, Jinns and others (created from the Word and Spirit) belong.  We are in the WORLD OF CREATION, which is the flesh and blood, dust and water.  For more proofs from the Glorious Quran, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac2.htm#links


Furthermore, Allah Almighty Said that earth is so far from GOD and desolate that if GOD Almighty were to put the Angels on earth to inhabit it, He would still need to send them a Messenger:
   
 ‏17:95 قل لو كان في الارض ملائكة يمشون مطمئنين لنزلنا عليهم من السماء ملكا رسولا

[017:095]  Say, "If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should certainly have sent them down from the heavens an angel for an apostle."


Our spirits and selves belong to the World of Command.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1462.msg5590.html#msg5590


And little we know about the Holy Spirit:

"They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"  (The Noble Quran, 17:85)"

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm



Scientific Miracle in Mary's Story:

The story of Mary and the date tree and fruits has a Scientific Miracle or Notion in it, in the Glorious Quran.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/mary.htm
www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_69.html
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#medicine




Jesus:

Jesus was created from the Word of Allah Almighty and filled with the Holy Spirit:

www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

And no, Allah Almighty is not a Father of anyone.  The Holy Spirit is not part of Allah Almighty.  Nor is the Word.  Both of them belong to the World of Command.  This is according to the Glorious Quran.



Who is Melchizedek?

According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.  For ample more proofs and details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 05:04:13 am »
Thanks guys. I dont know why i find the miraculous birth kinda hard to swallow.

Brother Osama. I have  previously seen the numerical miracle for Noah but what i meant to ask was in terms of evidence for his long life.

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 05:34:40 am »
The spirit and the angels are just heavenly creations carrying out commands given by the Creator. None of them could enter the throne of God.

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The Day that the spirit and the angels will stand in rows, they will not speak except for one whom the Most Merciful permits, and he will say what is correct (78:38)

Say: "None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected." (27:65)

All creations will be resurrected before their Creator on that Day.


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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 06:51:18 am »
@submit thank you for your input. What about noah ?

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 07:22:50 am »
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Thanks guys. I dont know why i find the miraculous birth kinda hard to swallow.

Brother Osama. I have  previously seen the numerical miracle for Noah but what i meant to ask was in terms of evidence for his long life.

Brother, the fact that the Glorious Quran is THOROUGHLY proven to be Miraculous, then we have no reason to doubt Its Claims.  Among them is Prophet Noah's age.  This is far greater proof than some scroll to say that Noah lived for 950 years among his people.  The Glorious Quran is the Ultimate Reference, because in It, Allah Almighty Makes the Divine Declarations to us.

So as a Muslim, that is your evidence.  And you should be very confident to present it when dealing with disbelievers.


@Submit, great points, dear brother.  I have added Noble Verse 27:65 to the article that I linked above.  And I linked this thread to several articles, including the one above.  Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Take care,
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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 08:45:17 pm »
I understand akhi i should be more confident when presenting such verses. But i was thinking if he had really been alive for so long wouldn't it have been recorded somewhere or wouldn't people know ?

Because that itself is able to make anyone with a right mind a believer

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2016, 03:55:14 am »
It is recorded,by the bible,And the oldest source ever,Torah,so what doubt is there?

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2016, 04:57:11 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The following are my replies to you:

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I understand akhi i should be more confident when presenting such verses. But i was thinking if he had really been alive for so long wouldn't it have been recorded somewhere or wouldn't people know ?

Because that itself is able to make anyone with a right mind a believer

It would've made Noah more like the wise man of the tribe who has many blessings from GOD Almighty.  But this doesn't necessarily mean that his prediction/promise of the Great Flood was believable, especially for people who were wicked and stubborn.  Just because people witness great people, it doesn't mean that they believe them.

Prophet Muhammad was called by the pagans, before Islam, AL-SAADIQ AL-AMEEN (the honest, the trustworthy).  Yet, this was not enough for the pagans to believe him when he first came to them and declared that the Angel Gabriel came to him and gave him the news about GOD Almighty chose him to become the Prophet for all of mankind.


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It is recorded,by the bible,And the oldest source ever,Torah,so what doubt is there?

My point exactly about it being recorded in the Glorious Quran.  The Miraculous Quran confirms the Truth of the story, while the Bible is automatically taken as gossip and man-made fabrications.  So it being in the Bible only really doesn't mean a thing.  It'll be taken for mockery and joke.  Former Bible believers from the atheists constantly mock the Bible for stories such as:

1-  Moses parting the sea with his stick.
2-  Moses turning a stick in a live snake.
3-  The Great Flood and Noah's Arch taking in many animals.
etc...

You need a book like the Glorious Quran to confirm the Truth of such stories.  Not a corrupt book like the Bible.

Take care brothers,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2016, 08:59:41 am »
I used to tell myself too ''why wouldn't it be recorded if true'' but keep in mind the ONLY ONES good at documentation at the time were the romans. Also, did you know many historical facts, such as Alexander the great conquering the world, had no evidence until 4 centuries later? a lot of historical events which are accepted by all historians only have 1-2 sources (another example is Nebuchadnezzar exiling all jews, very very low documentation yet historical facts). this video explains it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTDuNFAHng
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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2016, 09:01:12 am »
I used to tell myself too ''why wouldn't it be recorded if true'' but keep in mind the ONLY ONES good at documentation at the time were the romans. Also, did you know many historical facts, such as Alexander the great conquering the world, had no evidence until 4 centuries later? a lot of historical events which are accepted by all historians only have 1-2 sources (another example is Nebuchadnezzar exiling all jews, very very low documentation yet historical facts). this video explains it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTDuNFAHng

one last thing, keep in mind 99% of arabia was illiterate back then , also why do you find it difficult believing isa's holy birth but you believe in a god who created the universe? isn't everything possible for him
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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2016, 06:08:21 pm »
@RoyalMuslim Just to follow up but isn't it impossible for a human to even live that long ?

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Re: Noah and Mary
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2016, 06:20:36 pm »
@RoyalMuslim Just to follow up but isn't it impossible for a human to even live that long ?

 You ask many questions. Stop it! Yes, but back then humans used to live extrenely long times. Even acording to the Bible and Torah.