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36:41 noah and flood
« on: April 11, 2017, 12:10:05 am »
Assalam alikum I was just wondering does this verse 36:41 prove that every one on earth is from the people of the ark because if yes doesn't that cause problems because we know thamud exsist about 3000 bc because we have there dwellings and we know the quran says that noah peace be upon him was close to ad and thamud and we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so I was needing help on this

36:41 is And a Sign for them (is) that We carried their offspring in the ship laden.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 12:30:57 am »
Also qustion 2. in verse 54:13 it says (we created the ark with planks and nails) but nails didn't exsist back that far back metal was not discovered till 9000 bc and noah would had to come way before if we all come from the people on the ark

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 05:41:51 am »
Also they use 69:11 (we carried you in the boat)

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2017, 06:07:27 am »
Sorry the verse is (Indeed, when the water overflowed, We carried your ancestors in the sailing ship) also they use this to say the flood was global not local so how do we explain to them there wrong

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2017, 07:54:10 am »
If the timeline is close to the biblical version, then nails should have existed then. If the timeline is multi millenniums ago before the biblcial version.
Then the building of rigid ark was thru the guidance and aid of angels following commands given by Creator.

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And construct the ship under Our observation and Our inspiration and do not address Me concerning those who have wronged; indeed, they are [to be] drowned."  (11:37)

Any version of global flood or local flood will still not be an issue as the the offspring inside the ark later become the forefathers of the semitic nations.

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2017, 06:05:12 pm »
Ok so when you say the semitic nations you mean those verses 69:11 and 36:41 are talking about the Arabs and children of israily not everyone on earth being the offspring if the flood was local and only for the nation of noah is that correct what you that these verses are just saying the Arabs and children of israily are the offspring of the ark not every on earth

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 05:52:12 am »
yes it should be referring to the descendants within the region of middle east.

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 07:28:54 pm »
Thanks jazzakkallah but the 69:11-12 sounds like it's talking to all of us because it says the word (you) in 69:11 and in 69:12 (it says it's a reminder a sign for you) so how would we reply back to someone who says this but thanks jazzakkallah 

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2017, 05:53:44 am »
69:8 reminder to the semitic people whom were the audience of the revelations, reminder about perished nations in middle east.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2017, 11:49:02 am »
Thanks but aren't the verses meant to be for everyone not just them is there any more detail you could give me how to respond sorry jazzakkallah and also don't you mean 69:11-12 not 69:8 sorry to keep bothering you but thanks for the help you have given me thanks but like I said sorry to keep bothering you

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2017, 01:34:46 pm »
Like what happens if there were any non semitic races there wasn't there companion off the prophet peace bs upon him who was a (roman) wouldn't off him off been there at the time so wouldn't off the verses off talked to him if yes that would off meant he wasn't a semitic person race so wouldn't that mean these verses mean we all come from noahs ark this is what they say and I don't know how to reply jazzakkallah

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2017, 01:40:21 pm »
I mean Like what happens if there were any non semitic races there when the revelation was sent down and addressed too who were there mixed with or up with the semitic races people wouldn't off the verses been addressed to if yes that would mean the paragraph above


Sorry I meant to put this at the beginning of the paragraph above sorry but thanks jazzakkallah for the help

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2017, 12:36:09 am »
Like egyptians wouldn't off there been some of them there there not semitic so how do we explain this sorry jazzakkallah

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2017, 02:19:11 am »
And they use We rescued him (Nuh) and the occupants of the Ark and made that into a Sign for all the worlds. (29:15) they say the story is know every where because we have too come from the ark so how do we explain this as well including the stuff as well I wrote above the 4 bits posts above after what you just wrote jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering just try to understand to reply back to them jazzakkallah but thanks jazzakkallah

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2017, 10:52:49 am »
Any thoughts sorry