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POLL: What is your Religion?
Tanveer:
Amar
You are starting to annoy me now. I am a sunni. Dont think you know better than someone who is an actual sunni. My imams say the hadiths are weak so they are weak. You also said you will use sunni sources. Why do you keep citing shia videos? No Sunni muslim considers the hadith books infallible. I dont give a crap how many youtube videos you give(you honestly think i care what shia videos say about sunnis?). A person who says the hadith are infallible are always condemned by us. No sunni ever says you must accept all the narrations in Bukhari or muslim are correct. We dont think theyre infallible. AS and RA mean may god be pleased with him. No scholar i have ever encountered says if i say PBUH to someone other than a Prophet im not a muslim anymore. I have a book called Sahih. Meaning most authentic. Dont think you know about my books better than me.
'Sunni Muslims view this as one of the three most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim and Muwatta Imam Malik.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari#Distinctive_Features
Drill this into your stupid brain. I began in a courteous manner with you but you are simply taking it as an advantage to sprout yout crap.
There is only one God:
whoawhoawhoa!!!
NO! JUST NO!
I'm starting to see some really jacked up crap here..
I guess I am to blame for this war that fueled 1,000 views.
"You have separated Islam with Shi'ism. I find that highly offensive."
I guess that one comment which referred to the offense in dividing the Muslims really screwed everything neutral about this forum.
" I am a sunni. Dont think you know better than someone who is an actual sunni. My imams say the hadiths are weak so they are weak. You also said you will use sunni sources."
Qur'an 2:206 precisely says arrogance is a sin. Don't think you know more than someone else just because you are Sunni. I remember adnaanshaikh saying something similar, that "converts don't know much about Islam as I do". If your imams say the hadith are weak doesn't always mean it is weak. Imams aren't infallible
"Drill this into your stupid brain. I began in a courteous manner with you but you are simply taking it as an advantage to sprout yout crap."
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@Koray: Your mom was right, don't let these people tell you that it is OK to call another professed Muslim a kaafir or tell him "The doom of Hell is your final abode". After all, the Qur'an Does say wisdom and beautiful preaching (16:125).
"No sunni ever says you must accept all the narrations in Bukhari or muslim are correct. "
Not true. I've heard several sunnis who accept these books as 100% truth. They call it Authentic hadith. The dictionary definition of authentic is "Of undisputed origin".
And QuranSearchCom, you're just doing the same thing over and over posting that pic of that guy who cut his back and basing views of ALL Shi'as off one person.
"I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship, then what is it??"
I think you were referring to calling others besides Allah. It's polytheism or shirk, NOT idol worship. But that's not what Shiism is. Shiism is accepting Ali (RA) as a successor, not worshiping him.
The politics in Arabian Islam is astounding.
Tanveer:
You will notice TIOOG that I kept repeating that arrogant sentence after he began telling me what I should and shouldn't believe but I agree arrogance is a sin. And I modified my post to add should after Sunni. I guess it didn't work/register. I never claimed imams were infallible either TIOOG. But many imams/scholars consider them weak so I do too. If iit was only one or two people I would've been suspicious of them but it's quite a few.
And also TIOOG I want to hold you accountable for bringing Edwin Star's War into my head. Now it's gonna stay there for probably the whole day...
amar:
Sallam to all,
@Koray
The problem is brother osama refuses to give up the idea Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone and likes to instead associate other sects with twelver Shias, twelver Shias ridicule other sects that worship the Imams (as), they have the same view brother Osama has on them about tawheed. twelver Shias which makes up the majority of Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone with no partners. I have pasted part of my document in the forum that shows from Quran and Muhammad (saww) intercession is allowed, asking in the name of Imams (as) and the prophet (saww).
After the issue of tawheed is confirmed, I will repaste the Quran and hadith quotes from sunni books that exposes Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. The belief and there innovations, Quran 5:6 as an example concerning wudu, an innovation by Uthman.
@Osama
My comment proves your lies about Shia, you just want to mix other sects beliefs with Shia beliefs. Shias say ya Ali (as) as the prophet (saww) said ya Ali (as) whenever he wanted something done, its sunna. We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone. If Shias were idol worshippers all Sunni shiekhs would focus on that issue as then Shias can't say nothing as they go directly against the Quran like sunnis (5:6 is an example).
"Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today. The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna."
You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar.
@Tanveer
1- Didn't you say use Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, well I proved Umar was kafir by using Sahih Bukhari. If you don't accept its Sahih then call it Bukhari and Muslim, again the pressure is on your sect, if you wan't to call them Sahih you have to accept whats inside.
2- The Shia videos are a shia talking about Bukhari and Muslim, giving facts about them, and the other video is a shia commentating while one of your Sunni scholars speaks, the one in brother Osama's video.
3- 'as' mean aley sallam, PBUH. You're not allowed to say that except for prophets (as), Adnan Aroor said this, he's one of your scholars and generally ask any other scholar they will say the same, simple internet check will do! I said not a Sunni, if you ain't Muslim you are kafir, I didn't say you will be kafir, I said you won't be following your school of thought.
4- you do know what 'Sahih' means yes? As long as its called Sahih Bukhari instead of Bukhari, you have to accept Umar is kafir. As Bukhari collected hadiths and called them all authentic and then put it in Sahih Bukhari, same with Muslim, aslong as you agree with them then you have to accept them, a simple thing to say is, Bukhari was wrong and hence be hated by Sunni scholars.
5- I give hadiths, most of what I put is your hadiths, don't call your own hadiths crap.
@laillahilAllah
Ali (as) does not need a dua saying may Allah be pleased with him, he is free from sins as Quran says in 33:33 for the Ahlul-Bayt (as)
Sallam
There is only one God:
@Amar: Quran 33:33 is just a ref. to the "people of the house", doesn't say whose house. Meaning it could be my house too.
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