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Offline Koray

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About Magic
« on: February 02, 2013, 12:01:59 pm »
Hi brothers and sisters , its me again :)

I've written in an earlier hello topic that i'm working on a comic book project and writing it with regards to islam.
I wanted to correct a mistake which Turkey's Television Channels made with magic.They represented it like something good , you know making things fly , teleport yourself or taking forms of things.They have poisoned young childrens mind.

So i need your help , i have been researching extensively about the topic but as i said , we don't have much eleborate sources in our native language.I've been reseraching some Satanisim website and found out very interesting things.

I know that humanity is not permitted to practise magic and i'm not Satanist :D I'm muslim :)

One thing i've found out from translated version of Solomon's Temple Documentary is that , Allah put charge two Angels at Babylon to teach magic who seek to oppose Allah's will.

I'm bad at making myself understood in both English and Turkish , i'm sorry. :(

So Can you guys make a eleborate topic about Magic ?

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 12:13:08 pm »
Hi brothers and sisters , its me again :)

I've written in an earlier hello topic that i'm working on a comic book project and writing it with regards to islam.
I wanted to correct a mistake which Turkey's Television Channels made with magic.They represented it like something good , you know making things fly , teleport yourself or taking forms of things.They have poisoned young childrens mind.

So i need your help , i have been researching extensively about the topic but as i said , we don't have much eleborate sources in our native language.I've been reseraching some Satanisim website and found out very interesting things.

I know that humanity is not permitted to practise magic and i'm not Satanist :D I'm muslim :)

One thing i've found out from translated version of Solomon's Temple Documentary is that , Allah put charge two Angels at Babylon to teach magic who seek to oppose Allah's will.

I'm bad at making myself understood in both English and Turkish , i'm sorry. :(

So Can you guys make a eleborate topic about Magic ?

Simply put, there's no such thing as magic. Allah is the only one who has power over all things. People will often go astray, seeking help from the devil. Of course, the devil will give you what you need, but for a price: your soul. So we need to stay away from all that and recite Surah al Kahf.

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 12:24:29 pm »
Hi , Thanks for your post.

I Have found this from my research

"Teaching men magic and such that came down at Babylon to two Angels , Haroot and Maroot , but neither of these two(angels)
taught anyone (such things) till they said , "We are for trial , so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)."

Quran 2:102

So , How come there is no such thing as magic ? :D

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 12:40:37 pm »
Hi foray.
I personally always cringe over all this so called poisoning of minds. When the children grow up they will realise there's no such thing as good magic and theyll probably never come across magic so all this 'purifying' is pointless.

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 01:05:13 pm »
Hi Tanveer thanks for your post.

I know that they will realise this when they grow up , but in Turkey , disobedience to Allah so big that you won't believe me if i say people in Turkey worships Allah and his creation(which i will not give his name) at the sime time.

And portraying magic the way it is something different in art , i mean , magic is a bad thing , but it is portrayed as something beautiful , so i wanted to make something different and not repeat the same mistakes as the others did.

And we need to educate our people , and art is a very good means of educating , its art , its scientific , but most important , you are making it in the name of Allah and to spread his word.And Allah also loves those who study science and serve him.


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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 02:42:36 pm »
Hi Tanveer thanks for your post.

I know that they will realise this when they grow up , but in Turkey , disobedience to Allah so big that you won't believe me if i say people in Turkey worships Allah and his creation(which i will not give his name) at the sime time.

And portraying magic the way it is something different in art , i mean , magic is a bad thing , but it is portrayed as something beautiful , so i wanted to make something different and not repeat the same mistakes as the others did.

And we need to educate our people , and art is a very good means of educating , its art , its scientific , but most important , you are making it in the name of Allah and to spread his word.And Allah also loves those who study science and serve him.
Hi Koray.
You raised some very good points. I cant find any fault with them lo. :P

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 04:28:30 pm »
Actually, there is magic, Black magic exists.
With the permission of Allah, the two angels Harut and Marut taught angels to people, but before they taught it to them, they said this is only a test, and it is forbidden for you to learn it.

It exists today, it has been passed down from society to society under secret orders.

Basically, when the Prophet Solomon (Peace be upon him) passed away, Shaitan went to the people and said that he knew where Prophet Solomon (Peace be upon him) got his magic from, he told them he learnt it from a devil, and that they should look under his throne.

Before Prophet Solomon (Peace be upon him) passed away, he gathered the magic books from around the city because they were so obsessed with it, and he put them under his throne, he hid them there.

Black magic does exist, and in Sharia law, if someone is caught doing it, they should be put to death (given death penalty).

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 05:15:42 pm »
Magic here is probably not the proper translation for Sihr, you could probably even catagorize the miracles of prophet's or even magic tricks, such as pulling a rabit out of a hat as magic.
I think the proper translation should be witchcraft or devilcraft or black magic, im  not sure which is the right term in english because im not a native english speaker, so you know that it is associated with the devil.
But what you mean by "poisoning our children's minds"?
If you mean those entertaining tv kid shows movies or books like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, I thnk they are there for teh sole lurpose of entertainment, I agree with with Tanveer and There is Only One God in the fact there is no such thing as magic, as in people are born can do certain extraordinary things, or by saying certain words you can do things, however, there os such thing as devilcraft, by which you mock and humuliate islam and destroy it by collaborating with the devil himself and the DEVIL will do the work, not you, thatis the difference between devilcraft and magic.
It is also impossible to know if someone is collaborating with the devil, only God can know, thats why most people who are executed for sorcery are innocent, many in saudi.
I am a fan of magic tricks by means such as optical illusions.

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 04:23:02 am »
Magic here is probably not the proper translation for Sihr, you could probably even catagorize the miracles of prophet's or even magic tricks, such as pulling a rabit out of a hat as magic.
I think the proper translation should be witchcraft or devilcraft or black magic, im  not sure which is the right term in english because im not a native english speaker, so you know that it is associated with the devil.
But what you mean by "poisoning our children's minds"?
If you mean those entertaining tv kid shows movies or books like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, I thnk they are there for teh sole lurpose of entertainment, I agree with with Tanveer and There is Only One God in the fact there is no such thing as magic, as in people are born can do certain extraordinary things, or by saying certain words you can do things, however, there os such thing as devilcraft, by which you mock and humuliate islam and destroy it by collaborating with the devil himself and the DEVIL will do the work, not you, thatis the difference between devilcraft and magic.
It is also impossible to know if someone is collaborating with the devil, only God can know, thats why most people who are executed for sorcery are innocent, many in saudi.
I am a fan of magic tricks by means such as optical illusions.
Yeah, i think the word witchcraft best explains sihr. Magic is a very broad term.

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 08:57:39 am »
Magic here is probably not the proper translation for Sihr, you could probably even catagorize the miracles of prophet's or even magic tricks, such as pulling a rabit out of a hat as magic.
I think the proper translation should be witchcraft or devilcraft or black magic, im  not sure which is the right term in english because im not a native english speaker, so you know that it is associated with the devil.
But what you mean by "poisoning our children's minds"?
If you mean those entertaining tv kid shows movies or books like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, I thnk they are there for teh sole lurpose of entertainment, I agree with with Tanveer and There is Only One God in the fact there is no such thing as magic, as in people are born can do certain extraordinary things, or by saying certain words you can do things, however, there os such thing as devilcraft, by which you mock and humuliate islam and destroy it by collaborating with the devil himself and the DEVIL will do the work, not you, thatis the difference between devilcraft and magic.
It is also impossible to know if someone is collaborating with the devil, only God can know, thats why most people who are executed for sorcery are innocent, many in saudi.
I am a fan of magic tricks by means such as optical illusions.
There is such thing as magic, which is widely today, known as black magic.

What are you on about? lol.

The two angels taught magic to the jews and they became so obsessed with it, Prophet Sulaiman (Peace be upon him) gathered all the books of magic and hid them under his throne, and after he died, Shaitan lied to the people saying that the only reason Prophet Sulaiman (Peace be upon him) could control Jinn is because of the books under his throne, which is why the Bible has stupid claims about Prophet Sulaiman (Peace be upon him) doing 'idol worship' which is not true.

So instead of blindly saying, there is no magic, atleast do some research. And I am not being rude here.

And actually, there are people who have done black magic in saudi arabia and have been found guilty, what do you mean they're innocent? It's part of Sharia, if anyone is caught or guilty for practicing black magic, they will be killed.

Don't you know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was put under a spell by a magician?

Magic, black magic does exist.

And I'm not talking about magic which makes you put a rabbit into a hat and make it disappear, i'm talking about serious magic which could cause serious harm.

Search up 'Dynamo' on youtube, he uses black magic and performs 'miracles'.


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Re: About Magic
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 09:36:55 am »
Thanks for your replies.

By "poisoning our children's mind" i meant they are filling young ones mind with false information.

You said that "as in people are born can do certain extraordinary things, or by saying certain words you can do things"
I will give you an example , when Turkish people was fighting at Dardanelles , they were fighting a hopeless battle , one of English battleships hit Turkish cannonball positions and everyone expect for Corporal Seyit was dead , he prayed to Allah to give him strength and Allah accepted his plea and he was able to carry a 300kg shell by himself and sink the English battleship.When they told him to carry it again he was not able to carry it.He said certain word when praying to Allah but it was not magic , it was Allah's miracle.

And magic do exist , how do you think that illusionists do unbelievable thing that we cant explain with science ? They are making magic with the help of Demons and Djinn.

And you said those are for entertaintment purposes on TV ? Do you know that Allah does not like those who potray sins as something beautiful and meant for fun ? If so i'm committing zina just for fun ? Does that makes Allah ok with me committing a sin ?

And Allah said that fight enemies of your God , that just doesnt meant for times of war ? For infidels potraying on the TV's , in cinemas and in art not obedience to Allah , so we as Muslim artist must fight back at those disciplines with the word of Allah.

Dont get me wrong i'm not attacking you here , i may sounded a bit harsh , but thats because i'm bad at making myself understood.

Sorry if i offended you. :(


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Re: About Magic
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 09:40:05 am »
Don't worry, you are right anyway, read my last post.

Magic does exist.

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 11:31:42 am »
Hello dear brothers,

The following is  Islam's stand point of Magic:

We should believe that it exists.

But :

. We shouldn't   1. Learn it.
                        2. Teach it.
                Or.    3. Practice it

Remember    3 points about magic.

Take care,

Moslem

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Re: About Magic
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 12:10:30 pm »
omg adnaanshaikh195, you're right! First I thought magic didn't exist, but today, you won't believe what happened!

So I was smoking crack, then I noticed there was a sign on the wall that said "ENTER". So I entered and saw a world full of dinosaurs. There, I learned the secrets to bending the laws of the universe (mainly, the physics), I found out it was a dream so I wished it wasn't a dream, then it came true, now I can fly! Literally drifting at 200 kph right now
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 03:12:16 pm »
omg adnaanshaikh195, you're right! First I thought magic didn't exist, but today, you won't believe what happened!

So I was smoking crack, then I noticed there was a sign on the wall that said "ENTER". So I entered and saw a world full of dinosaurs. There, I learned the secrets to bending the laws of the universe (mainly, the physics), I found out it was a dream so I wished it wasn't a dream, then it came true, now I can fly! Literally drifting at 200 kph right now

Looooool.
but seriously, magic does exist, read the story of the two angels Harut and Marut.