Does "Trinity" really exist in the Noble Quran?
From http://www.f24.parsimony.net/forum54389/messages/8291.htm
Written by yishan jufu at 10 Sep 2001 18:41:25:
yi shan- taken from queBAAL's geocities site:
que- TELL US EXPLICTEDLY WHERE QURAN MENTIONS THE WORD TRINITY
The Arabic word for the "Holy Trinity" is "al-thaaluuth al-aqdas",
pronounced ath-thaaluuth al-aqdas. This isn't found in the Quran at all even though it was
known in Arabia and before the time of Muhammad and Islam!! The above passage of S. 4:171
is to be read in Arabic as:
"wa-laa taqooloo thalaathatun" (Surah an-Nisa' 4:171)
And this certainly has to be translated as:
"And don't say three!"
The word "thalaathatun" is the usual cardinal number "three" referring
to three things at least one which is of masculine gender. If we use this along with
modern Muslim definition of the Trinity, we find out that Allah couldn't be a Trinity if
he is just one of three? So now if Muslims are saying that one in Three refers to Trinity,
then they are implying that the word ONE MEANS THREE!!! Look at this example:
TRINITY IS THIRD OF THREE AND SAY NOT THREE
Allah= Third of three 3/3
Muslim Trinity= Three 3
Allah & Muslim Trinity would equal 6/3!!!
Or
TRINITY IS ONE OF THREE AND SAY NOT THREE
Allah= One of three 1/3
Muslim Trinity= Three 3
Allah & Muslim Trinity would equal 4/3!!!
This would expose Allah as not even being able to add or do simple mathematics!!! Amazing!!! Lets look at some verses in which the form of three (thalaathatun) is mentioned as. Note: THREE is capitalized while it's Arabic equivalent is also capitalized in the bold.
yi shan- What the dumb critic has failed to realise or to admit are the definitions of "God" according to his good old church!!!
The creeds of the councils that formulated his gods do have an interesting part that should stifle his pigeon brains (sorry, pigeon!); let us see what the following part of the trinity-manifesto (!!) says:
three-in-one and one-in-three
The dogma of the Holy Trinity
253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the
"consubstantial Trinity".[83] The divine persons do not share the one divinity
among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which
the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy
Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."[84] In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council
(1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance,
essence or nature."[85]
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."[86] "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."[87] They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."[88] The divine Unity is Triune.
255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance."[89] Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."[90] "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."[91]
256 St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also called "the Theologian", entrusts this
summary of Trinitarian faith to the catechumens of Constantinople:
Above all guard for me this great deposit of faith for which I live and fight, which I
want to take with me as a companion, and which makes me bear all evils and despise all
pleasures: I mean the profession of faith in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. I
entrust it to you today. By it I am soon going to plunge you into water and raise you up
from it. I give it to you as the companion and patron of your whole life. I give you but
one divinity and power, existing one in three, and containing the three in a distinct way.
Divinity without disparity of substance or nature, without superior degree that raises up
or inferior degree that casts down. . . the infinite co-naturality of three infinites.
Each person considered in himself is entirely God. . . the three considered together. . .
I have not even begun to think of unity when the Trinity bathes me in its splendour. I
have not even begun to think of the Trinity when unity grasps me. . [92]
from: http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/believe.html#IMPLICATIONS
yi shan- I wonder if QueBAAL knows mathematics of the greeks and romans or just modern mathematics?!! I mean to stupidly make jokes about the "thalithu thalatha" and poke fun at the quran is onething, but to hide his own stupid creeds and church mathematics which are plain and obvious to the niece of sam shamoun is another tactic of deception!!
I wonder if he could share with us the meanings of "THREE DISTINCTIVE
PERSONS", which include amongs them "the father" (God in heaven according
to the crosstians)!! How can an idiot like queBAAL be allowed to embarrasse his triplets'
theories is beyond belief?!!
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