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Does Isaiah 53 say that the Servant will be crucified?

This article is located at: http://ozzycda.blogspot.com/.  It is a rebuttal from brother Musa Mayotte, a former American Christian who converted to Islam, to a Christian named "VenomFangX".  The rebuttal was given to brother Ozzy, who is also an American convert to Islam, to upload on his blog.  May Allah Almighty always be pleased with the two brothers.  Ameen.  I have formatted the article for easier read, but left all of the writings unaltered.

Note:  Musa is the Arabic word for Moses.

 

VFX wrote:

VFX - What did Satan do to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? He made Adam and Eve doubt God's word by saying 'did God REALLY say you couldn't eat from the forbidden fruit?

 

Musa's Response:
     
     As Muslims we believe in this story the way the Christians do with some small differences. However putting those differences aside one story does not prove the other to be wrong or right. Thus there is nothing here to refute to either strengthen or weaken Islam's argument or Christianity's.

 

VFX wrote:
 
The Quran was written 6 centuries after The Bible was completed, and Muslims do not believe in The Bible. The Bible was before the Quran, but Muslims reject it! Islam attempts to make you doubt ALL the revelations of God given to humanity before Muhammad was born. Isn't that convenient? God sent dozens of prophets, each that confirmed the next, and foretold the coming of the Messiah who would die for the sins of the world (Isaiah 53). They said that the Messiah would bring an end to the prophets (Daniel 9:24), bring the final Covenant (Malachi 3:1), and that false prophets would come after the Messiah (Matthew 24:24).

 

Musa's Response:

     First, the Quran was written 300 and not 600 years after the Bible. You have to remember that the Bible was not compiled or complete until roughly 300 AD with the Nicaea council. We all know what happened there. Men basically decided what God's word was and what wasn't. Before then you had groups of different Christians running around killing each other trying to prove whose Gospel was more superior.

 Second Muslims do believe in the Bible. This is a common statement that is thrown around like it is yesterday's trash by both Christians and Muslims alike. I will make it blunt. The Bible contains God's word but the Bible is not God's word in a whole. For example, if you had a document that would make or break a case in determining you're innocence in court one would gladly use it against or for you. Now let's assume this document got into other people's hands and you could not determine whether or not this person was on your side or against you. Now, you somehow obtain the document back and know that it has been tampered with. You don't know if one sentence is changed or maybe a whole chapter or even more. All you know is that it has been tampered with. Due to this fact alone no righteous judge in the entire world would allow such. It may have been tampered with to support or sabotage you. The point is you do not know. 

      The Bible is riddled with Errors, additions and revisions. Examples are 1st John 5:7, last 11 verses of Mark, John 3:16 and the word begotten (Monogenes in Greek). There are dozens more to support this. Even Raymond Brown a leading scholar in Christianity has stated that the Gospel of John has at least 4 different Authors. This is obvious when reading through the gospel finding Jewish events described as "The Jewish Passover". There are no other groups in the area at the time that celebrated a Passover. The author who wrote this sentence was clearly an outside source. Let alone your oldest manuscript in existence today is no older than 120 AD and is the size of a credit card. It is called p-52 and guess what gospel it is from? John! One could go on for hours about this issue. This is however not why I am here. These examples are only to illustrate how we feel about the Bible. Maybe it was only one sentence maybe more. The point is it has been altered and we do not know what parts are the original or not. Due to this we disregard it. However the Bible is still a book that should be treated with the upmost respect as it does contain God's word.  

     Third, We believe in all the revelations sent to man before Islam. You are forgetting that we dub people who are prophets in Islam that are not considered so in Christianity. Example; Adam, Noah and Ismael. Peace be upon all of them. For the most part Muslims agree with the OT. There is nothing in there about worshipping a man. People dying for other people's sin and so on. You say that Islam makes us doubt the past prophets/revelations. Wrong it is history and the preservations methods of their writings. Jeremiah 8:8 confirms that scribes have tampered with scrolls. The earliest COMPLETE Torah in existence today is only from the 9th century at best (that is younger then the Quran).

     Fourth, Yes the prophets did foretell of a coming Messiah and they also preached the oneness of God as I am sure you are familiar with the Shima of Israel. However where your wrong is the role of the messiah and his contribution(s) etc. No prophesy in the OT states that a messiah would die for the sins of mankind. This is heresy to a Jew, and the OT was written by Jews so why would a Jew write that? No prophesy in the OT says that people will worship the Messiah.

     Fifth, Isaiah. Isaiah 53 is not prophesying about the Messiah. Isaiah 52 is but not 53. The Jews only have 16 messianic prophesy in the entire OT. The Christians have come in and told the Jews this. Ignoring the fact that the Jews are the ones who wrote the OT originally. The Christians say that the Jews statements in the book of so and so, chapter whatever, verse umteem is actually a foretelling event when in plain reality it was only a passage about current events. Now, let's assume that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah. Have you read it? Jesus does not fulfill that prophecy at all. Isaiah 53:3 says that "Jesus" is despised by all men. In Luke chapter 10 verse 1 Jesus has at least 70 followers and today Christianity is the largest religion!  In verse 5 it says he was wounded for our transgressions. Now right away one might assume this is the death of Jesus. However it says he was WOUNDED not killed. But let us go with killed for your arguments sake. This is not what this verse is saying. It is saying that they made a mistake so he is paying for it. They plotted or accused against him. This is exactly what happened. Verse 7 then states that he opened not his mouth. Wrong! Jesus spoke during his trial with both Pontius Pilot and the Jews. Verse 9 then says that he made his grave with the wicked and rich. Jesus did not make his grave, was buried alone. Yes I know he was meant to be buried like a criminal because he was considered one. But verse 9 says he was to be buried with both. Jesus was buried alone. It then goes on to say that God was please by bruising Jesus and that Jesus's seed would prolong the days in verses 10-11. Jesus never had any seed.

 

Isaiah 53:9's mistranslation and the rest of the Chapter:

(From me, Osama Abdallah)

(Most of the following points were taken from brother Musa's rebuttal; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him)

1-  Isaiah 53:3 says that "Jesus" is despised by all men.  In Luke 10:1, Jesus has at least 70 followers, and in other verses we're told that he fed and healed thousands (John 6:9-11, Luke 17:11-19 and other verses).

2-  In Isaiah 53:5 it says he was wounded for our transgressions.  Now right away one might assume this is the death of Jesus.  However it says he was WOUNDED not killed.  But let us go with killed for your arguments sake.  This is not what this verse is saying.  It is saying that they made a mistake so he is paying for it.  They plotted or accused against him.  This is exactly what happened.  And again, the verse says wounded, which further proves that Christ was never killed.

3-  Isaiah 53:7 states that "he did not open his mouth".  There are two possible interpretations and answers to this:

  1. Jesus never literally spoke a single word during the crucifixion trial.  This is obviously wrong because Jesus spoke during his trial with both Pontius Pilot and the Jews.  And we all know Jesus' famous and final cry to GOD Almighty when he said:  "Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani!", which translates: "My GOD my GOD, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)  So wrong.  He did open his mouth.
     
  2. Jesus did not object to GOD Almighty's Will.  This is also wrong, because again, Jesus cried during the crucifixion "My GOD my GOD why have you forsaken me?", and he also prayed ENDLESSLY to GOD Almighty on the night of the crucifixion to not get crucified!  (Matthew 16:39, Matthew 26:36-44, Luke 6:12) He even bowed down his face to Allah Almighty in worship endless times begging Him for a change in Decision.  So yes, Jesus did object.

4-  Isaiah 53:9 says that he made his grave with the wicked and the rich.  According to http://scripturetext.com/isaiah/53-9.htm:

"in his death" is also a false translation to the Hebrew Mawth.  At the worst, it should be translated as "in death", making the word a symbolic one as further confirmed in the Hebrew lexicon:
  • "in his death
    maveth  (maw'-veth)
    death (natural or violent)
    [notice not "his death".  It only says "death"]; concretely, the dead, their place or state (hades); figuratively, pestilence, ruin -- (be) dead(-ly), death, die(-d)."

    (http://scripturetext.com/isaiah/53-9.htm)

    So in his death here is symbolically referring to his execution trial and not necessarily his physical and literal death.  This is further proven in Young's Literal Translation of the verse:

    He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death [Here is how the literal translation says: "And it appointeth with the wicked his grave, And with the rich [are] his high places"....This is verified at this link: (Young's Literal Translation)], though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
      
     

  • Other translations read:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah 53:9;&version=51;

    Isaiah 53:9 (New Living Translation)
    9 He had done no wrong and had never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man’s grave.
     
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah 53:9;&version=46;

    Isaiah 53:9 (Contemporary English Version)
    9 He wasn't dishonest or violent, but he was buried in a tomb of cruel and rich people.

  •  
    There are also two errors in the fulfillment of this Prophecy:

    1. Jesus was never buried (Matthew 27:59-66, Matthew 28)!  He was temporarily placed in a tomb and then his body disappeared after that.  But he never ONCE was buried under ground as our dead get buried.
       
    2. Jesus, who was never buried from the first place, was also NEVER BURIED with the wicked and the rich.  His tomb was placed in an isolated area as recorded in the gospels.

    Again, verse 9 says that he was to be buried with both the wicked and the rich.  Jesus was buried alone.

    5-  In Isaiah 53:10-11, GOD Almighty will prolong Jesus' life and Jesus will live to even see his offspring (his children)!  And Christ will see the Light and be satisfied after the suffering of his soul.  The suffering of his soul here is referring to the overwhelming fear that Jesus had and the countless cries and Prayers that he made to Allah Almighty to save him.  Psalm 91 further speaks clearly on this.  Also, Jesus' life was never made long or extended.  He only lived for 33 years, so we're told in the gospels, and he certainly never married any woman nor had any child from any woman.  Yet, Isaiah 53:10 clearly says that he will live and he will have and see his children.

    6-  In Isaiah 53:12, we are told that Jesus' life or soul will be poured unto death.  To me, given the Islamic position about Christ never got crucified, and given the symbolic speech in Isaiah 53 chapter that most of it conflicts with what really took place with Christ in the gospels, and given the fact that many early writings in Palestine and elsewhere stated clearly that Jesus never got crucified such as in the Apocalypse of Peter and other ancient texts, then my interpretation of this verse about Jesus' life being poured unto death means to me that Jesus' life will overpower death!  This is indisputably proven in Psalm 91 where it states that not only Jesus will not get crucified, but GOD Almighty will also hear his cries and will send down the Angels to PROTECT HIM and SAVE HIM.  And Psalm 91 also says that Christ will call upon GOD Almighty and GOD Almighty will HEAR him and HONOR himChrist would not have been honored if he have died the humiliating death of the cross.  And certainly, he would not have been "saved" either by the Angels.
     

     

    Verse 12 (which is where your case is strongest) states that his soul shall be poured out unto death. However in the Hebrew and Aramaic texts the word death is not present. Now again assuming this is Jesus (AS) this description fits the Islamic story much better. Jesus was not killed as the word for death is not present. He MAY have been put on the cross. And he was exalted and lifted up (the ascension).  But again, this is clearly not Jesus as he does not fulfill this.

         Sixth, You said the Messiah would bring the end of the prophets. Well in Acts 11 and 21 there is a prophet mentioned by the name of Agabus. In fact if you read chapter 11 there is a whole group of prophets who came from Antioch to Jerusalem. A group of Prophets! Daniel 9:24 and 7:13 and the Messiah found within those texts is not the Jewish messiah it is Cyrus the Persian King who was the founder of the Persian Empire. He allowed the Jews to rebuild the Temple and return to Jerusalem. This is what is meant by reconciling their sin in Daniel 9:24 as they can offer sacrifices again in the new temple.  Cyrus reigned in the exact time when Daniel was writing. This is why Jews praise Cyrus and even say he was anointed (a messiah) by God.

         "Thus says Yahweh to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he has taken by his right hand to subdue nations before him and strip the loins of kings, to force gateways before him that their gates be closed no more: I will go before you levelling the heights. I will shatter the bronze gateways, smash the iron bars. I will give you the hidden treasures, the secret hoards, that you may know that I am Yahweh. (Isaiah 45:1-3)"

         Seventh, As for Malachi 3:1 the Ryrie Study Bible states that this is about John The Baptist. So you have Christian scholars against you on this. You must read into the context of the passages being used here Shawn.  As for Matthew 24:24 I have already refuted that with the man named Agabus found within Acts who from a group of prophets. In fact

     

    VFX wrote:

    In the New Testament of Jesus Christ, God warned us that Satan the devil would come as an angel of light and preach a false religion. All the prophets of God spoke with God, however, the false prophet Mohammad spoke with an angel only! Look at what God warned us; 'And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.' (2 Corinthians 11:14) and 'But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!' (Galatians 1:8) Mohammad met Satan 600 years after God warned us in the New Testament, and then Satan, calling himself 'allah', created the false religion of Islam.

     

    Musa's Response:

         Paul never said Satan would do this. He said Satan had this ability. Now assuming he has this ability is pretty safe to say he has or is going to do so. But if your ead the description Paul gives when meeting Jesus, it is described as so much light Paul was blinded by it. So by this logic one can assume Paul was visited by Satan. Do you know who else was visited by an Angel of light? Mary, Peace be upon her. Allah Praise be upon him does not only call himself 'Allah' He also calls himself al hauul al qayyum which is his most holy name. It is found in Chapter 2 Verse 256 of the Quran. It roughly translates into He who is and to be the self efficient and sustainer of all that exists. Do you know what else translates into this? YHWH!

     

    VFX wrote:

    The entire purpose of Islam is to deny everything that God revealed through the prophets, and finally, in the person of Jesus Christ. Between the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are over 2000 years old and match perfectly what we use today, and the 24000 manuscripts of the New Testament, we can know 100% for certain that The Bible has never been changed. Infact, The Bible is the most trust worthy book in all of antiquity. Muslims claim their scriptures are authentic because they haven't changed in 1400 years. While that is simply not true, the more important fact is that The Bible has been proven to be preserved for over 2000 years. It is an old Islamic lie to claim The Bible is corrupt, because if The Bible is true, that means Islam is not true; The Bible teaches the total opposite of the quran.

     

    Musa's Response:

         The Bible being Corrupt I already touched on this but since you bring it up again I will as well. Yes the Dead sea scrolls are over 2000 years old. However the Dead Sea Scrolls are not the COMPLETE OT. They are some of the books found within the OT but not all of them. Dead Sea Scrolls are dated from 300-100 BC. That is not all that great when there are books within the OT that are dated from 700-500 BC. Where are these copies? Also the dead Sea Scrolls were found in the Qumran cave with Esseane documents. The Essene (Jewish) school of thought believes in two messiahs not one. You know what book is an Essene document and found within the Dead Sea Scrolls? Isiaha! That means Isaiah 53 and your other prophesy in Isaiah have to be about two messiahs not one. 

     

    VFX wrote:

    God would never make us trust a single prophet; how could we verify that his words are true? God instead gave us many prophets, and they all confirmed each other. The only thing Jesus ever said about Muhammad was this; 'This is the antichrist, he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.' (1 John 2:22-23) 'you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come…' (1 John 2:18) Mohammed and all the Muslims reject the Son of God, so they are all anti-christs according to the New Testament scriptures.

     

    Musa's Response:

         Right, If Muhammed peace be upon him or Islam is the Anti Christ then where is your rapture, tribulation, second coming, and oh yes, third temple?  Muhammed (peace be upon him) also never denied Jesus (peace be upon him) is the Christ. Are you forgetting that Muslims believe Jesus is the anointed one sent to bring all mankind under God's law, destroy the anti-Christ and lead the world in a reign of peace? Do you know who else reject the son of God? Jews and they do not even accept Muhammed (peace be upon him).

      

    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Also visit: Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

      

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    Son of GOD definition:

    In the Bible, "the Son" refers to the Messiah, - the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews.  Son in their time meant Servant of GOD.  Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran: "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm

    This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

    And other great figures in the Old Testament were also called:

    1-  GOD (El) of other people.
    2-  Son of GOD.
    3-  Begotten Son of GOD.
    4-  GOD's First Born.
    5-  GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers).
    6-  GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name.
    7-  King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT).
    8-  All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).
      

    Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?" [1]

    King James Version
    Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    New King James Version
    Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

    Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

    "Servant" here is slave.  Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2], the
    same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general, throughout
    the Bible [
    2].  Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT.

    In Arabic also it's the same.  My name Osama Abdallah, which means
    Osama slave of Allah (GOD).  Slave is a subject of GOD.  A servant is
    independent and has a free will.  He/she can quit serving.  But a
    slave (ABD) is OWNED.
       

    I elaborated on this point in details at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie
    www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

    The Servants are the Prophets of Israel.  But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet.

      

    Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) of GOD:

    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    John 1:1:

    John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

    John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
    was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [1] [2] [3])
    ."

      

    The Word encompasses Jesus:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839:

    From brother Shaad:

    The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation....

    Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

    Revelation 1:2

    2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ


    Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad.  I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi.  Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesus, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.

    Trinity is false.  I have added your addition to:

    www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

    Messiah definition:

    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm

      

    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

      

    Jesus' Original Name:

    Prophet Jesus' original name was Eesa, as this is also his Islamic name.  Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus.  There is also a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached in Arabic.  Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine.  Islam's claims are very strongly supported.  See proofs below.

      

    Did early Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome?

    Did the early believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth, Antioch, Rome and all other places?  Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews' Messiah and final Prophet.  In both the Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Ahmed was prophesied to come.  Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.  Also, see below the Dead Sea Scroll image.  The New Testament too predicts the coming of three:

    1.  Elijah.
    2.  The Messiah.
    3.  The Prophet.

    John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
      
        

  • John the Baptist calls Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).

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    So did the early believers preach the coming of Prophet Ahmed or Muhammad?  The answer is quite possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for them and not phase 1.  Jesus was the early believers' immediate Prophet, not Muhammad.  And all of the details that they had were about Jesus, not Muhammad.  It is also important to know that the following seven Roman Emperors have thoroughly burned all of the early believers' writings:

    1.  Nero (54-68)
    2.  Domitian (81-96)
    3.  Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
    4.  Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
    5.  Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
    6.  Trajanus Decius (249-251)
    7.  Valerian (253-260)

    Read all the details with references here.

    What we have today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were written 80 years to 300 years after Jesus' departure from this earth.  So, the current writings that we have are not original writings.  Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed trinity was invented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].  Many lies had been fabricated after the original writings were all lost.  The Jews and Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad.  These were some of the original texts that survived.

    From Why Jews settled in Arabia section:


    Video and text are in the linked section above.

      

    Jesus also preached in Arabic:

    See the clear proofs in the following:

  • Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      

  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.  Arabic is estimated to date back 8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad foretold, by the name, in the previous Scriptures.  We still have texts today and from the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.
      

  • Important:
      
    What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?
    Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit, according to Islam.
      

  • In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title [1].  Islam came to restore the original Faith [1].
      

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    Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
      
      

    (Film in this article)

      
    Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures.  Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the Bible, and his prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed [1] [2].

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
  •  

    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

      

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

  •   
    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

  •   

    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      

    New Addition:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1346.msg5127.html#msg5127:

    ASSALAM ALYKAM

    when ever i am in  a debate christians always quote me this

    1 John 2:18-27
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    Warning Concerning Antichrists

    18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us
     
     

    Does Muhammad (pbuh) deny Jesus being the messiah?

    Does the prophet Muhammad deny the existence of God and God's servant Jesus?
     
      
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

    Notice here how Messiah was defined by the author of the 1 John book to be "Father and Son".  Islam does not deny that Jesus is the Christ, nor does the Holy Quran deny that the Jews and Christians were called sons of GOD.  The problem is that, like every exaggerated religion out there, the "Son of GOD" title became ridiculous over-blown.  This is one of the many things that Islam came to straighten out from the corruption of the Jews and Christians.

    Son of GOD in the Bible means Servant of GOD.  This is a fact that no Jew or Christian could deny.  And the Servant is not just any servant.  He is a servant "raised to Honor" as the Holy Quran puts it.  That's what son of GOD means.  Taking it beyond this is bordering polytheism and blasphemy.  Please visit: 

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm

    Similarly, in Judaism, Idolatry is considered Spiritual Adultery against GOD Almighty.  Now I want you to think about this for a second.  Are we married to Allah Almighty?  Absolutely not.  Yet, it is considered spiritual adultery?  Similarly, if you take this beyond metaphor, and start speaking nonsense about you are married with GOD Almighty, then you would be bordering blasphemy.

    The liar in the 1 John verses, and I am not saying that they are divine or original or authentic in anyway, is one who denies Jesus is the Messiah.  We do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah.  Therefore, this title would not apply to us.  But the title is messed up anyway.  How could you be a liar even if you don't believe Jesus was the Messiah??  Again, another metaphor that doesn't mean anything actual.  What is it that you're lying about??  It's like one saying if you're not hindu, then you're a thief!  What kind of a stupid statement is that??

    Again, Islam came to fix this stupidity and put an end to it.  The blasphemies and stupidity stop with Islam!  That's the bottom line, my beloveds.

    And last and not least, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.  In this article, you'll see that the books of John:

    1-  Were written by unknown people.
    2-  Do contain alterations and man-made injections in them.
    3-  Were written by an unknown number of men.
    4-  Were written in unknown places.
    5-  Were written in unknown dates.

    Here is an example:

    We find even more alarming troubles with the Gospel of John itself.  Since Christians believe that the writer of the gospel of John is the same one as the one who wrote 1 John, then it is important to point out the following absurdity in the authenticity of this gospel from its last and concluding chapter:

    John 21:24-25
    24 This is the disciple (WHICH DISCIPLE??  WHAT IS HIS NAME??) who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true (HOW DO YOU KNOW??  DID YOU EVEN MEET HIM IN PERSON??)
    25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

    Many have doubted that John even wrote the entire book:

    "Many scholars of the past two centuries have denied that John wrote this book, partly because of their belief that the author fabricated many details such as the miracles and the discourses of Jesus.  (The Holman Illustrated Study Bible, ISBN: 978-1-58640-275-4, Gospel of John, Page1540)"

    For ample more quotes from several other Bible commentaries, again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.

    Now here is some analysis:

    "We know that his testimony is true"?!

    Wasn't the disciple John the one who supposedly wrote the gospel of John?  How can he say about himself that "we know that his (the author) testimony is true"?!  Isn't this a clear and indisputable proof that the book was written by an unknown person?

    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  
      
      
    Osama Abdallah's Post:

    And by the way, I know that what I just wrote was actually all written by mclinkin94, because somebody had just told me so!  I know it.  Don't question it!  I was just told that the post wasn't written by me!  Even if it has my name on it, and was written using my account.  It doesn't matter.  mclinkin94 wrote it.  I was just told that.  I don't remember if whether I actually wrote it or not.  But I know whoever wrote it, his testimony is true.  Somebody told me so.

    Now of course, brother mclinkin94 didn't write my post.  But the point I am making here is that with this statement uttered by Osama Abdallah, do you see just how stupid and incompetent, and even a liar (if not mentally retarded), Osama Abdallah is??  This is all hypothetical of course :).

    This kind of lies and retardedness and stupidity exist by the bulk in the Bible!

    Everyone is supposedly inspired by GOD Almighty in the Bible, and all of their words are Divine Revelations.  Yet, we find fights among the disciples, where Peter and other disciples were called "clearly in the wrong", and Paul was called a "false apostle" by several of the disciples and believers.  I've went through this in my debate at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/is_the_bible_the_true_word_of_god_june_16_2013.wmv.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

    VFX wrote:
     
    Muslims claim that The Old Testament and the New Testament are not trustworthy, because they believe mankind corrupted them. However, in the Old Testament, God promised to preserve His word forever. 'As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. ' (Isaiah 59:21) and 'The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.' (Psalms 12:6-7). So, either Islam is a lie, or Islam's god 'allah' is weak and can not preserve his word as promised. 

     

    Musa's Response:
     
         God promised to preserve his word then tell me why your oldest complete Torah is only 1400 years old at best? Tell me why out of your 24,000 manuscripts the Bible is based on not one of them is identical? Muslims around the world are dying to hear this. Now for the big one, tell me why if God shall preserve his word for all generations why Christians do not follow Torah? You have shot yourself in the foot.  

     

    VFX wrote:

    So, in conclusion; Satan used Muhammad to create a religion that denies the truth God revealed to humanity, in order to damn as many souls as possible by making them anti-christs. 

    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) –

     

    Musa's Response:

    using this statement correctly and how it is meant to be used Muslims agree 

     

    VFX wrote:

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. –

     

    Musa's Response:

    Will touch on this.

     

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    Son of GOD in the Bible means Servant of GOD.  Not only "Son" means Servant in the Bible, but also John 3:16 was not said or written by Jesus.  It is a man-made verse.  The Bible's theologians all say that the gospel of John was written and changed by mysterious people and by unknown number of them:

    Who were the authors of the Bible?


     

    VFX wrote:

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him. (John 3:36) –

     

    Musa's Response:

    Again using the term son of God correctly Muslims have no problem with this statement.

     

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    Son of GOD in the Bible means Servant of GOD.

     

    VFX wrote:

    Now, what is Satan's goal? We see Satan's goal in the Garden of Eden was to destroy Adam and Eve by making them sin, so God would have to punish them. 

    Now, if what Jesus said above is true, all Satan has to do is make you reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God as your Savior. Then, you will go to Hell, and Satan wins. 

    So, if Satan makes a copy of The Bible, but excludes the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died for your sins, then you will die in your sins and go to Hell, just as Satan wants.

    That is the quran; it contains many of the beautiful things found in The Bible, but it denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who died for your sins to save you.

    Mohammed was foretold, in these passages; 'This is the antichrist, he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.' (1 John 2:22-23) 'you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come…' (1 John 2:18) Mohammed and all the Muslims reject the Son of God, so they are all anti-christs according to the New Testament scriptures

    That is why Islam is evil. Everything good about the quran can be found in The Bible, but there is no salvation in the quran. It denies the one and only way, thus, it is from Satan.

    Here are some of my problems with Islam. Like all man made religions, Islam believes that through good works, you can earn your way to Heaven. However, God makes it clear that 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23), and 'there is none that doeth good, no, not one.' (Psalm 14:3) and 'but we are all as an unclean thing, and all our good works are as filthy rags'. (Isaiah 64:6)

     

    Musa's Response:

    Islam does not say god works will allow you into heaven. In fact there are numerous Hadith that state that good works will not permit paradise. This is another common misconception about Islam. When asked about good deeds by one of his companions the prophet said; know that your good deeds will not earn you paradise. The companion responded; not even you oh apostle of Allah? Muhammed peace be upon him said; no! Not even me. The only thing that gets us into heaven is God's mercy, will, and our faith. Our works are only a by product of our faith. After all Faith without works is dead as said in James 2:22 of the NT. 

     

    VFX wrote:

    Have you ever heard the story of Cain and Abel, the sons of Adam and Eve? One day, they both brought a sacrifice to God. Cain brought good fruit, and Abel brought an animal to sacrifice. Cain's good fruits were rejected, but Abel's blood sacrifice was received. Why is that? It is because the wage of sin is death, so something must die for your sins. In a court of law, your good works can not pay the fine or debt in the place of the judgment you deserve. So, Islam, like all false religions, makes you do good works to try and get to Heaven. However, your 'good fruits' will be rejected, because they do not wash away your sins. Justice must be served. 

    We are all sinners who deserve to be judged guilty of sin and put to death. However, God became a man, Jesus Christ, according to prophecies given over 1500 years by the Jewish prophets, and Jesus took the judgment we deserved upon Himself, dying for our sins. This satisfies justice, and allows us to be forgiven, by the blood atonement, just like with Abel, Adam's son! Jesus then came back from the dead, because God is stronger than death.

     

    Musa's Response:

         Show me one JEWISH prophesy where God is supposed to become a man. Again Muslims believe Jesus is the Christ peace be upon him). As a former Jew you should know that Jews do not have to offer a sacrifice to be forgiven by God they may repent with teshob(v)a meaning roughly in Hebrew 'to return'. If a sacrifice is required for all sin then what of the people of Nineveh in the story of Jonah (peace be upon him).  Again we do not believe works grant us heaven. This is clearly stated in our Hadith. Think of it like this. It is the mercy and will plus our faith that will allow us heaven. The works are like a currency that we may spend once we are in heaven. They help us out once inside but they are not what gets us in initially. Again this is another huge misconception about Islam. Im still surprised you haven't brought up the 72 Virgins.

     

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    The 72 virgins in Islamic Paradise is actually supported in the Bible.

     

    VFX wrote:

    Mohammed was foretold, in these passages; 'This is the antichrist, he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.' (1 John 2:22-23) 'you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come…' (1 John 2:18) Mohammed and all the Muslims reject the Son of God, so they are all anti-christs according to the New Testament scriptures. Muslims do not understand what the title 'Son of God' actually means. Jesus had two titles, Son of Man refers to His manhood and the Son of God refers to His godhood. Muslims also have difficulty understanding the doctrine of the Trinity; God is One, in 3 persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All 3 are divine, and make up the One God. Jesus said 'I and the Father are One.' John 10:30.

     

    Musa's Response:

    John  10:30, I was waiting for this one. Start at John 10:23 for the context. I love this passage for more than one reason. The Jews pick up stones to stone Jesus for saying he and the father are one. He then corrects them and quotes to them psalms 82:6. Where God called the Israelites GODS! So he is using the title in its context like I have been telling you too. Second Reason under Jewish Law as stated in Deut  18 you may stone somebody even if they claim to be just a prophet and not God or the son of God. So that is very well the reason the picked up stones. He was claiming to be a prophet not God. Third and favorite reason. Read John 10:24 "IF THOU BE THE CHRIST TELL US PLAINLY" Are they asking him if he is God or if he is the Son of God? No! they are asking him if he is the Christ. They never thought he was claiming to be God until he said I am and the father are one. Now look at it again. They say "tell us plainly". Why do they say this? Because they need evidence to condemn him in court. What kind of court? A Jewish one that follows Torah law. However, they did not have this evidence. In Torah court you need four witnesses. In John 8:58 there were more than four witnesses present so why don't they use that ammo on him in court? The Christians seem to love that one. Yet here they are again 2 chapters after john 8:58 asking for more evidence. But Jesus plays it smart he back his statement up with a  quote for psalm and they have nothing. If all the passages like John 3:16, John 1:1-14, John 8:24, John 7:14 and the many other ones before John 10:24 are actually Jesus claiming to be God. Then why are the Jews still asking him for evidence when they had more than 4 witnesses present and were looking for the slightest slip f tongue. John 10:24 wipes out all claims before it and proves that the Jews by asking if he was the Christ and not God didn't think he was God. They were so powerless in the issue and could not even deliver a verdict under their own law. They had nothing! Just as you do VFX.

    Yes you are correct Muslims do have trouble understanding this. So do Jews. Look Jesus did have the title 'Son of Man' I agree. But so did many other righteous people at the time. Lets take a look at John 3:16 and the word Begotten. First off the word is not even present in the earliest manuscripts but lets ignore that for now. In the Greek the word Monogenes is used. In Hebrews 11:17 (which by the way as of today does not have a known author). Isaac is called Abrahams only begotten son (monogenese in Greek). Now this is false because Abraham had 8 children but Ismael was the first. So when Isaac was alive, so was Ismael as he was 13 years older. Now the common Christian response is that Issac is called only begotten because he was born of the spirit and Ismael the flesh etc. Fine! Let's go with that. The Greek word is Monogenes meaning begotten or sired.  It is present in both Hebrews 11:17 and John 3:16. The Hebrew Equivalent 'yalad' is found within Psalm 2:7 referring to David. Now in both Psalms and Hebrews you would say that the term begotten is only meant to mean (spiritual) importance or a way to describe a special status. David is the first begotten son of God and Issac the only begotten son of Abraham. If taken literally it is an obvious error. Take it metaphorically however, you find the solution. So then why are the rules broken or changed when they're applied to Jesus in John 3:16? The answer is simple, the rules aren't broken or at least they weren't until Christianity came along. Nobody took the idea that Jesus was the actual son of God literally in his day. If they did then they would have did the same with David and Moses and Elijah and many others peace be upon all of them. As the famous Ahmed Deedat  God rest his soul said "sons in tons"

     

    VFX wrote:

    In fact, The Father even calls Jesus the 'Son' and even calls Jesus 'God'. Hebrews 1:8 'But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.' Flipping back to the Old Testament, this was written many hundreds of years before Jesus Christ was born. This is a prophecy of His birth; Isaiah 9:6 'For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.' A child called God? Incredible.

     

    Musa's Response:

    Isaiah 9:6. In order to understand this you must read the context. It starts in Isaiah chapter 7 where Isaiah is delivering a letter to King Ahaz. You know the King of Judah nobody liked. They wanted to replace him with the son of Tabel because he was aligning with Assyria etc. Again the context matters so much. This is going to be a bit long so buckle your seat belts.

         This verse in Isaiah is quoted often, demonstrating the Messiah's nature and character   foretold 700BC before he was even born.  Here, Isaiah proclaims the Messiah would be a son of man by being born as a child, and at the same time be a "son" given.  He goes on to identify the nature of this "son" and "child" by identifying him as "Mighty God", "Everlasting Father" and "Prince of Peace" terms only used here in the Hebrew, EXCEPT for Mighty God (El Gabor)which appears two other times in Isaiah 10:21 and Ezekiel 32:21.  In Isaiah 9 it is Ahaz who is referred to as the 'House of David' as he is the current King. Not Israel. In fact the Jewish reads like this;

     

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    The "God" title was given to MANY in both the Old and New Testaments!  Only "Yahweh" is the Unique title for GOD Almighty.

     

    VFX wrote:

         For a child has been born to us, a son has been given us.  And authority has settled on his shoulders. He has been named "The Mighty God is planning grace; The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler"—

     

    Musa's Response:

         Also you have to remember Ahaz was to be given a sign. Ahaz died long before Jesus walked the Earth. So this could not have been talking about a sign that would occur outside of the lifetime of Ahaz. Ask yourself, was Israel at war with Judea when Jesus walked the Earth? Was Judea teaming up with Assyria during his time? No, but this is what was happening in Isaiah. Again Context matters. In fact among further investigation these verses are easily fulfilled in Hezekiah, the royal son, who sat on the throne of David, where his father Ahaz sat. Again however, let's assume this is about Jesus, All of this is about what Jesus would be called not what he would beor his character. Jesus according to Christianity was called either Yahushua or Yeshua coming from the words 'Yah' and 'Yasha' meaning God's Salvation. So even if this is about Jesus it is wrong! Jesus was called Yahushua or yeshua and not the other names listed in Isaiah 9.  Remember what is aid before about Isaiah being an Essene document? Essenes believe in 2 messiahs not one. So even all my arguments are refuted you still have that very small hoop to jump through.

     

    VFX wrote:

    Jesus Christ is God, and Muslims reject Him as God. In Exodus, God gave Moses His holy name. Exodus 3:14 'This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you.' Now look at what Jesus said. John 8:24 ' That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for, unless you believe that I AM HE, that is what will happen.' and 'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I AM!' (John 8:58) Jesus used the name of God for Himself, and said that anyone who rejects Him as God will die in their sins. That means all Muslims will go to Hell. If you want to be saved, repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ, your Lord and Saviour.

     

    Musa's Response:

    The name given in Exodus in Hebrew is HayahHayah or in Greek Ho-On. The name used in John 8:58 is Ego Eimi. It is not the same period. Again though lets assume it is. Even if Jesus did use the name the Jews would not have been able to know as the Jews stopped using the name and forgot its true pronunciation 300-200 BC. The reason is the commandments given in Exodus 20. Thou Shall Not Use The Lords Name In Vein. They did not want to say his name in vein so it became practice to not use his name except only in the Temple. But the Temple was destroyed and his name eventually became unknown. This is noted in the Jewish Encyclopedia. So even if he did say it how did they know? John 8:24 simply states that he is 'He'. Well who is He? He is the one who is the anointed. Muslims believe in this. I have no objection here. In fact if you fast forward the same title is used in John 9:9. By Jesus you ask? No, by  the blind man who Jesus healed. It is also the same as the Greek Ego Eimi.  Does this make the blind man God? No, Again VFX you must read the context.   

     

    VFX wrote:

    Part 2

    If you concept of God is wrong and contradictory to logic why debate or even care about what your holy book states? -you
    Exactly, which is why you should leave Islam immediately. Your 'god' is clearly not the Creator, because the Creator of the Universe doesn't contradict Himself.

    In the New Testament of Jesus Christ, God warned us that Satan the devil would come as an angel of light and preach a false religion. All the prophets of God spoke with God, however, the false prophet Mohammad spoke with an angel only! Look at what God warned us; 'And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.' (2 Corinthians 11:14) and 'But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!' (Galatians 1:8) Mohammad met Satan 600 years after God warned us in the New Testament, and then Satan, calling himself 'allah', created the false religion of Islam. 

    The entire purpose of Islam is to deny everything that God revealed through the prophets, and finally, in the person of Jesus Christ. Between the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are over 2000 years old and match perfectly what we use today, and the 24000 manuscripts of the New Testament, we can know 100% for certain that The Bible has never been changed. Infact, The Bible is the most trust worthy book in all of antiquity. Muslims claim their scriptures are authentic because they haven't changed in 1400 years. While that is simply not true, the more important fact is that The Bible has been proven to be preserved for over 2000 years. It is an old Islamic lie to claim The Bible is corrupt, because if The Bible is true, that means Islam is not true; The Bible teaches the total opposite of the quran.

    God would never make us trust a single prophet; how could we verify that his words are true? God instead gave us many prophets, and they all confirmed each other. The only thing Jesus ever said about Muhammad was this; 'This is the antichrist, he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.' (1 John 2:22-23) 'you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come…' (1 John 2:18) Mohammed and all the Muslims reject the Son of God, so they are all anti-christs according to the New Testament scriptures. 

    Muslims claim that The Old Testament and the New Testament are not trustworthy, because they believe mankind corrupted them. However, in the Old Testament, God promised to preserve His word forever. 'As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. ' (Isaiah 59:21) and 'The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.' (Psalms 12:6-7). So, either Islam is a lie, or Islam's god 'allah' is weak and can not preserve his word as promised. 

    So, in conclusion; Satan used Muhammad to create a religion that denies the truth God revealed to humanity, in order to damn as many souls as possible by making them anti-christs. 

    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him. (John 3:36)

    Now, what is Satan's goal? We see Satan's goal in the Garden of Eden was to destroy Adam and Eve by making them sin, so God would have to punish them. 

    Now, if what Jesus said above is true, all Satan has to do is make you reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God as your Savior. Then, you will go to Hell, and Satan wins. 

    So, if Satan makes a copy of The Bible, but excludes the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died for your sins, then you will die in your sins and go to Hell, just as Satan wants.

    That is the quran; it contains many of the beautiful things found in The Bible, but it denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who died for your sins to save you.

    Mohammed was foretold, in these passages; 'This is the antichrist, he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.' (1 John 2:22-23) 'you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come…' (1 John 2:18) Mohammed and all the Muslims reject the Son of God, so they are all anti-christs according to the New Testament scriptures

     

    Musa's Response:

    Meh the rest of this is just all circular logic and rambling about nothing. Here is your bomb rex enjoy dropping it. sorry for the mistakes n w/e im very tired lol 

    any mistakes are mine and all true info is from God alne

     

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    Son of GOD in the Bible means Servant of GOD.  Not only "Son" means Servant in the Bible, but also John 3:16 was not said or written by Jesus.  It is a man-made verse.  The Bible's theologians all say that the gospel of John was written and changed by mysterious people and by unknown number of them:

    Who were the authors of the Bible?

     

     

     

     

    Isaiah 53 does not Prophesize about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

    The Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53.  By Abdullah Smith.
    -  Part II.
    -  Part III.

     

    Also Visit:

    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

    Is Jesus the GOD-Man?


    Dr. Edward Dalcour

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    Also visit:

    Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

      

    Other important links: [1] [2] [3]

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    Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
    Jesus said he had no Divine Will.  Jesus had to seek permission from GOD before performing any Miracle.

      

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

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    Osama Abdallah

    Also visit: Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the previous Scriptures.  Also, his Prophetic Name, AHMED or AHMAD, was both mentioned in the Glorious Quran and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS.  Yes, his name was recently found in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS as the coming Servant.  See the image for yourself.

      

    Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?


    Louis Lionheart

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    Osama Abdallah

    What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]

    Note to Muslims:

    As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to.  I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them.  May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into.  Ameen.

    The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.

    Prophet Muhammad thoroughly prophesied in the Bible & Old Scriptures.

    See also:  The Islamic Prophecies section.

      

      

    Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil!  (Islamic Prophecy)

    The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power.  They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  See Noble Verses 17:4-8:

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm

  • Also, Israel will be annihilated by people of non-Muslims and Muslims according to the Glorious Quran's Prophecy.
      

  • What does the Glorious Quran say about the Jews' mighty success and dominance in wealth, science, media and politics?  "a rope from Allah and a rope from people" extended to them to enable the reaching of the Mighty Heights.
      

  • The Jews' financial domination and the Stock Market  (control of the earth's wealth) are STUNNINGLY prophesied in the Glorious Quran!

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5943.html#msg5943     (backup)

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5950.html#msg5950     (backup)

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

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    Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world:

    Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

    Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him.  Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors.  The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed.  This is both literal and metaphoric.  It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images.  The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty.  There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4).  In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity.  And that false deity is not Allah Almighty.  For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.

    Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?  I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was never prophesied in the Bible to be ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in the Bible to any being.

  • I also showed how Jesus Christ, from among many other verses, used this "right eye" expression.  So it was never a Sign about the dajjal before Islam.  It was no more than a general language of the Bible.
      
  • The Bible in many verses uses "right hand" and "right eye" expressions for people and for GOD Almighty.
      
  • None of these are Signs to anything.
  • For ample Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs, please visit:

  • The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
      

  • Also visit: 9/11 was 100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!

  • Many references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our Islamic Texts.  This is one of the most popular Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  And indeed, we are seeing it come to pass before our very eyes.  Please also visit:

  • The hijacked Bible.
      

  • Listen also to Jeremiah 18:1-10!
      

  • The 666 symbol is actually referring to today's neo-con Christianity and Zionism!  See the clear-cut proofs and images here.
      

  • Also see the sub-section: The Israeli 666 symbol.
      

  • Does the Bible predict the dividing of Israel?  Who are the nations that divided Israel?  And what will be their punishment?
      

  • The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
      

  • Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?
      

  • Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


      
      

  • The following debate thoroughly demonstrates that ISIS is not Islamic, and that it was made by the zionists to pave the way for the "Another 9/11":



    IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
    Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
    Saturday 12/06/2014

    The Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

      

  • Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

  • The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.

      

    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Also visit: Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

      

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

  •   

    Son of GOD definition:

    In the Bible, "the Son" refers to the Messiah, - the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews.  Son in their time meant Servant of GOD.  Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran: "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm

    This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

    And other great figures in the Old Testament were also called:

    1-  GOD (El) of other people.
    2-  Son of GOD.
    3-  Begotten Son of GOD.
    4-  GOD's First Born.
    5-  GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers).
    6-  GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name.
    7-  King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT).
    8-  All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).
      

    Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?" [1]

    King James Version
    Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    New King James Version
    Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

    Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

    "Servant" here is slave.  Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2], the
    same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general, throughout
    the Bible [
    2].  Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT.

    In Arabic also it's the same.  My name Osama Abdallah, which means
    Osama slave of Allah (GOD).  Slave is a subject of GOD.  A servant is
    independent and has a free will.  He/she can quit serving.  But a
    slave (ABD) is OWNED.
       

    I elaborated on this point in details at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie
    www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

    The Servants are the Prophets of Israel.  But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet.

      

    Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) of GOD:

    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    John 1:1:

    John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

    John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
    was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [1] [2] [3])
    ."

      

    The Word encompasses Jesus:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839:

    From brother Shaad:

    The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation....

    Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

    Revelation 1:2

    2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ


    Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad.  I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi.  Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesus, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.

    Trinity is false.  I have added your addition to:

    www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

    Messiah definition:

    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm

      

    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

      

    Jesus' Original Name:

    Prophet Jesus' original name was Eesa, as this is also his Islamic name.  Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus.  There is also a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached in Arabic.  Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine.  Islam's claims are very strongly supported.  See proofs below.

      

    Did early Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome?

    Did the early believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth, Antioch, Rome and all other places?  Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews' Messiah and final Prophet.  In both the Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Ahmed was prophesied to come.  Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.  Also, see below the Dead Sea Scroll image.  The New Testament too predicts the coming of three:

    1.  Elijah.
    2.  The Messiah.
    3.  The Prophet.

    John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
      
        

  • John the Baptist calls Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).

  •   

    So did the early believers preach the coming of Prophet Ahmed or Muhammad?  The answer is quite possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for them and not phase 1.  Jesus was the early believers' immediate Prophet, not Muhammad.  And all of the details that they had were about Jesus, not Muhammad.  It is also important to know that the following seven Roman Emperors have thoroughly burned all of the early believers' writings:

    1.  Nero (54-68)
    2.  Domitian (81-96)
    3.  Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
    4.  Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
    5.  Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
    6.  Trajanus Decius (249-251)
    7.  Valerian (253-260)

    Read all the details with references here.

    What we have today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were written 80 years to 300 years after Jesus' departure from this earth.  So, the current writings that we have are not original writings.  Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed trinity was invented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].  Many lies had been fabricated after the original writings were all lost.  The Jews and Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad.  These were some of the original texts that survived.

    From Why Jews settled in Arabia section:


    Video and text are in the linked section above.

      

    Jesus also preached in Arabic:

    See the clear proofs in the following:

  • Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      

  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.  Arabic is estimated to date back 8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad foretold, by the name, in the previous Scriptures.  We still have texts today and from the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.
      

  • Important:
      
    What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?
    Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit, according to Islam.
      

  • In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title [1].  Islam came to restore the original Faith [1].
      

  •   

    Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
      
      

    (Film in this article)

      
    Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures.  Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the Bible, and his prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed [1] [2].

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
  •  

    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Trinity Crucified!  100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

      

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

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    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

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    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
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           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      


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