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Jesus, Egypt, Jews prohibited from ever going to Egypt, but yet, Jesus went to Egypt!

The sections of this article are:

1-  Egypt in the Bible is hated with extreme bitterness!

      (a)-  False prophecies about Egypt that history proved them to be lies!

2-  Jesus escaped to Egypt and settled in it for 10 years!!

      (a)  More indisputable false prophecies and lies!

3-  The Bible's own theologians admit that it is badly corrupt and is full of lies.
4-  Conclusion.

  

  

  

1-  Egypt in the Bible is hated with extreme bitterness!

The Bible talks about Egypt as if it's satan himself.  It is such an evil land that the Bible claims that GOD Almighty prohibited the Jews from ever again going into Egypt after the Exodus:

Deuteronomy 17
16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the LORD has told you, "You are not to go back that way again."

Jeremiah 43
1 When Jeremiah finished telling the people all the words of the LORD their God—everything the LORD had sent him to tell them-
2 Azariah son of Hoshaiah and Johanan son of Kareah and all the arrogant men said to Jeremiah, "You are lying! The LORD our God has not sent you to say, 'You must not go to Egypt
to settle there.'
3 But Baruch son of Neriah is inciting you against us to hand us over to the Babylonians, so they may kill us or carry us into exile to Babylon."
4 So Johanan son of Kareah and all the army officers and all the people disobeyed the LORD's command to stay in the land of Judah.
5 Instead, Johanan son of Kareah and all the army officers led away all the remnant of Judah who had come back to live in the land of Judah from all the nations where they had been scattered.
6 They also led away all the men, women and children and the king's daughters whom Nebuzaradan commander of the imperial guard had left with Gedaliah son of Ahikam, the son of Shaphan, and Jeremiah the prophet and Baruch son of Neriah.
7 So they entered Egypt in disobedience to the LORD and went as far as Tahpanhes.

Jeremiah 44
11 "Therefore, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah.
12 I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt
to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become an object of cursing and horror, of condemnation and reproach.
13 I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem.
14 None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives."
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24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, "Hear the word of the LORD, all you people of Judah in Egypt.
25 This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, 'We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.'
"Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows!
26 But hear the word of the LORD,
all Jews living in Egypt: 'I swear by my great name,' says the LORD, 'that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives."
27 For I am watching over them for harm, not for good;
the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed.
28 Those who escape the sword and return to the land of Judah from Egypt will be very few. Then the whole remnant of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word will stand—mine or theirs.

We clearly and indisputably see that the Bible clearly and explicitly prohibiting for all Jews to enter Egypt and to settle in it.  GOD Almighty (assuming that the Bible's accounts are correct and not corrupt) carries so much hate toward Egypt that He treats worse than satan!

  
  

(a)-  False prophecies about Egypt that history proved them to be lies!

Well to start off, let's examine the following false prophecy/promise (mentioned above):

Jeremiah 44:27 "the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed."

Jews had always existed in Egypt, and even today, Egyptian Jews still exist in Egypt.  Certainly before 1948 (the state of Israel was declared in 1948), Jews had always existed in the lands of the Middle East and Egypt.  Egypt had always had Egyptian Jews and Jewish Temples, even till today(!!).  This is a fact that any Egyptian would confirm.

So to say that "the Jews in Egypt will perish by the sword" is simply a false lie that was put on the Mouth of Allah Almighty and a false promise that exists in the false and corrupt gospel of porn,  the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and the book that sings praises about sisters lusting after their brothers

Furthermore, we read about Egypt the following false prophecies:

Ezekiel 29
13 " 'Yet this is what the Sovereign LORD says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations where they were scattered.
14 I will bring them back from captivity and return them to Upper Egypt, the land of their ancestry. There they will be a lowly kingdom.
15 It will be the lowliest of kingdoms
and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.

The following points expose the false prophecies in these verses:

1-  Egypt will never again "exalt itself above other nations"?  Well, it just so happens that Egypt for a very long time, in our current history, not only exalted itself above the other nations, but it was the leader of all of the Arabs, Muslims and neutral nations against the West!  Egypt also:

  1. Liberated Yemen from the British colonization.
      
  2. Liberated Algeria from the French colonization.
      
  3. Egypt fought the Israelis and the British and French in 4 big wars: 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973!
      
    In 1956 war, Russia gave a clear nuclear warning to England, France and Israel to end the war with Egypt, or else it was going to declare war on them.  The USA finally stepped in and forced the three stooges to stop the war on Egypt.  This further proves that Egypt was very significant in the Middle East and in the world.
      
  4. Egypt fought in Congo to liberate it from the British colonization.
      
  5. The Egyptians are so proud of Egypt that they title it: "The mother of the world!"
      
  6. Egypt was the country that came up with the League of Arab States (جامعة الدول العربية), where the heads of all of the Arab states meet every year.  It is similar to the United Nations.  And guess where the headquarters for the League of Arab States?  It is in Egypt!!

So yes, Egypt does exalt itself above other nations, because it does have very high status and accomplishments among them.  In fact, Egypt is one of the few countries in the entire world that is so big on exalting itself.  That is why, again, its people call it "the mother of the world."

  • Also, the fact that Jesus escaped to Egypt and was raised there, is another reason why Egyptians can feel exalted above other nations, especially to the Christians.
      
  • And if Jesus is GOD Himself, then this is a more exaltation to Egypt!  GOD escaping to Egypt?  What an honor for the country!
  • Clearly, the Bible is full of lies and false prophecies!

      
    2-  "I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations."  Egypt in our current history did rule over Sudan in the past!

    Furthermore, let us examine the following flags:

    They are from left to right: The Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian flags.

    The two stars in the Syrian flag represent the unity that existed once between Syria and Egypt.  The Iraqi flag represents the unity that once existed between Syria, Egypt and Iraq.  Egypt's flag used to be the same as the Syrian flag, but after the three countries decided to split, Egypt decided to replace the stars with the eagle, to represent the full Arab Unity.  So if Arabs were to ever become one state, the Egyptian flag would be the most appropriate one to use, and Egypt's flag is the only Arab flag that calls for the full Arab's unity (the 22 countries), similar to the USA's Federal government over its States.

    So if anything, this further proves that Egypt is definitely very significant in the Arab world, and it is also a leading country and a symbolic role model, even in its flag.

      

      

    2-  Jesus escaped to Egypt and settled in it for 10 years!!

    Let us look at the following verses:

    Matthew 2
    The Escape to Egypt
    13 After the wise men were gone,
    an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up! Flee to Egypt with the child and his mother,” the angel said. “Stay there until I tell you to return, because Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
    14 That night Joseph
    left for Egypt with the child and Mary, his mother,
    15 and they stayed there until Herod’s death. This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: “I called my Son out of Egypt.”

    From me, Osama Abdallah:

    I called my son out of Egypt?  The Bible commentators cross-referenced Matthew 2:15 with Hosea 11:1.  Here is what the latter verse says:

    Hosea 11
    1 “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and I called my son out of Egypt.
    2 But the more I called to him, the farther he moved from me, offering sacrifices to the images of Baal and burning incense to idols.

    So was Jesus making sacrifices to the images of Baal and worshiping idols while he was in Egypt?

    The reference to Hosea 11:1 is a desperate lie by them, and Matthew 2:15 makes a false claim about the Prophet predicting that GOD Almighty will call Jesus out of Egypt.

    16 Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men’s report of the star’s first appearance.
    17 Herod’s brutal action fulfilled what God had spoken through the prophet Jeremiah:
    18 “A cry was heard in Ramah—weeping and great mourning. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted, for they are dead.”
    The Return to Nazareth
    19 When Herod died, an angel of the Lord
    appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt.
    20 “Get up!” the angel said. “Take the child and his mother back to the land of Israel, because those who were trying to kill the child are dead.”
    21 So Joseph got up and returned to the land of Israel with Jesus and his mother.
    22 But when he learned that the new ruler of Judea was Herod’s son Archelaus, he was afraid to go there. Then, after being warned in a dream, he left for the region of Galilee.
    23 So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: “He will be called a Nazarene.”

      
    He will be called a Nazarene?  The Bible commentators did not even provide a single cross reference to this claim!  It can not be found anywhere in the entire Bible, except in this false verse of Matthew 2:23.
      

      
    To those who believe that Jesus is the Creator of the Universe, I'd like to ask you the following questions about Jesus escaping to Egypt for his life form king Herod:

    1-  How could GOD Almighty escape for His life from a creation of His?  And run again to Nazareth when He returned from Egypt?

    2-  If Jesus is GOD Almighty Himself, then how could He have allowed Himself to go to Egypt when He bitterly hated it and despised it throughout the Old Testament??

  • A quick and superficial answer is that GOD Almighty changed His views about Egypt with the new Covenant.
     
  • My response:
      
    -  We've already seen the false promises and bogus prophecies that the verses above declared: (1) All of the Jews in Egypt will perish; (2) Egypt will never exalt itself above other nations ever again.
      
    -  Also, all of the Jews were forbidden to ever again enter Egypt.  This law was never abrogated in the Old Testament, and even Jesus never said that it is no longer a valid one.  Jesus never even addressed it.  It is like if Jesus and his family never even knew about it.  And what about Jesus' mother and Joseph?  Weren't they also Jews?  Weren't they supposed to be forbidden from entering Egypt?
       
    -  And again, the Jews in Egypt were to be perished by GOD Almighty by the sword.  This never happened.
      
    -  Egypt was declared to never be able to exalt itself above other nations again.
      Jesus' migration to it only slams this up against the wall.  And if Jesus is Jehovah Almighty, then He obviously have smashed His own Promise, because Him coming to Egypt only gives it more honor and exaltation! 

    -  All of the Egyptians, Christians and Muslims, use the Jesus-migrated-to-Egypt point, among many other points, to further their country's spiritual status.  I personally heard it many times.
  •   

    GOD Almighty breaking His Oaths that He took in His Holy Name, Declarations and Promises?

    You might still say: "Yes, but all of this was removed by Jesus' coming into the world."  When you say this, then you in essence are saying that GOD Almighty broke His Promises, Declarations, and Oaths that He Swore in His Holy Name!  And again, no where in the Old and New Testaments were these promises abrogated.  So your statement doesn't hold water even in the Bible.

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

    Please visit: Islam declares that the Bible is corrupt.

    Please also visit:

  • Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
      
  • The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
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    3-  The Bible's own theologians admit that it is badly corrupt and is full of lies:

    There are few important points that we must take into account when evaluating false, mistranslated and man-made fraudulent verses, mis-interpretations and/or mistranslations in the Bible:

  • The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were
         
    1. Written by mysterious men.
    2. Written by an unknown number of men.
    3. Written in unknown places.
    4. Written in unknown dates.
       
    5. Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth.  It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4Note: Paul's name used to be Saul.  Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).
       
    6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine.  Not only that, but we even ironically see that:
       
    7. Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty.  See below for details.
    8. The disciples even fought with each others [1] [2].
    9. We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
    10. According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.
       
    11.  The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".
           
          
    12. And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:
            
      1. Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.
         
      2. Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations [1] [2] [3] [4], which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.
         
      3. This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels.  So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that Jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it.  It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it.  There are certainly in the books and gospels:
         
      4. Too much gossips.
         
      5. Too wide of date gaps by the decades [1] [2] [3] [4] between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.
         
      6. Too many unknown people wrote the stories.
         
      7. Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.
         
      8. Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.
         
      9. This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty.  Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.
  • So now based on what objective grounds should we reject the claim about the Bible's New Testament's accounts being mostly false and fabricated by men?

      

      

    4-  Conclusion:

    Trinity is one of history's biggest lies, Jesus was never called Yahweh in the entire Bible, and the Bible's corrupt books and gospels were:

    1. Written by mysterious men.
    2. Written by an unknown number of men.
    3. Written in unknown places.
    4. Written in unknown dates.

    Such falsehood can not be from GOD Almighty, nor the Divine Truth and Word of GOD Almighty.  Islam is the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty.  I strongly recommend visiting the following links:

    1. The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran.
       
    2. What is Islam?
       
    3. The blessed Jesus in Islam.
       
    4. Answering Trinity.
       
    5. Allah is GOD Almighty's Holy Name in the Bible's original Manuscripts that were discovered - centuries before Islam.

    I also want to end this rebuttal with the following verses from the Holy Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments:

    "Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

    "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?  (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"

    Indeed, Jesus Christ, the man, is only a Messenger from Allah Almighty, and he was never crucified. 

    May Allah Almighty enable you to see the Light and the Truth of Islam.  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our beloved and blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.

     

     

     

     

    Answering Trinity.

    Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?

    Ask me any question.

    The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran.

    Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible.

    Isaiah 53 and Psalm 91 prove that Jesus never got crucified!

    Psalm 91 clearly confirms that Jesus never got crucified!

    Psalm 116, 117 and 118 indisputably prove that Jesus Christ never got crucified.

    Corruption in the Old Testament.

    Answering Trinity.

    The New Testament confirms the Apocalypse (Revelation in Greek) of Peter which claims that Jesus never died on the cross!

    Crucifixion of Jesus is a lie according to several of the Disciples' early writings.

    Also see detailed refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20 that supposedly suggest that GOD Almighty was going to get pierced on the cross.

    History of Man's corruption of the Bible.

    The New Testament was not even written by its original authors.

    The "God" title in Isaiah 9:6 was given to others before and after Jesus.

    The early Christians rejected Trinity and never believed in it.

    Contradictions in the resurrection story in the Bible.

    Was Jesus crucified on a tree (according to Peter), cross (according to others), or never got crucified (according to Islam)?

    We only believe in Jesus' personal quotes as closest to the truth.

    Jesus according to Islam never got killed on the cross.  Allah Almighty saved him.

    The blessed Jesus in Islam.

    Do Psalm 16:8-11 refer to Jesus' resurrection as the book of Acts suggest?

    Jesus was never crucified according to the Gospel of Barnabas.

    Isaiah 42-54 seem to predict Islam and the removal of GOD Almighty's Covenant from the people of Israel.

    Deconstructing Isaiah 53 & the crucifixion/resurrection of Jesus - Exposing Paul's inventions.

    None of Jesus' disciples witnessed the crucifixion. They "all fled" and "deserted" Jesus. This further confirms Islam's claims.

      

    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
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    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

  •   
    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

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    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
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           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      

      

      

      

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    The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.

    "Son of GOD" conflict between the Bible and the Noble Quran.

    Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.

    "Son of God" is same as "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees with Islam, not with pagan trinity.

     

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    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

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    Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

      

    Other important links: [1] [2] [3]

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    Jesus said he had no Divine Will.  Jesus had to seek permission from GOD before performing any Miracle.

      

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

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    Also visit: Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the previous Scriptures.  Also, his Prophetic Name, AHMED or AHMAD, was both mentioned in the Glorious Quran and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS.  Yes, his name was recently found in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS as the coming Servant.  See the image for yourself.

      

    Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?


    Louis Lionheart

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    Osama Abdallah

    What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]

    Note to Muslims:

    As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to.  I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them.  May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into.  Ameen.

    The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.

    Prophet Muhammad thoroughly prophesied in the Bible & Old Scriptures.

    See also:  The Islamic Prophecies section.

      

      

    Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil!  (Islamic Prophecy)

    The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power.  They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  See Noble Verses 17:4-8:

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm

  • Also, Israel will be annihilated by all people of non-Muslims and Muslims according to the Glorious Quran's Prophecy.

  • The Jews' financial domination and the Stock Market (control of the earth's wealth) are STUNNINGLY prophesied in the Glorious Quran!

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5943.html#msg5943     (backup)

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5950.html#msg5950     (backup)

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

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    Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world:

    Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

    Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him.  Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors.  The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed.  This is both literal and metaphoric.  It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images.  The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty.  There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4).  In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity.  And that false deity is not Allah Almighty.  For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.

    Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?  I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was never prophesied in the Bible to be ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in the Bible to any being.

  • I also showed how Jesus Christ, from among many other verses, used this "right eye" expression.  So it was never a Sign about the dajjal before Islam.  It was no more than a general language of the Bible.
      
  • The Bible in many verses uses "right hand" and "right eye" expressions for people and for GOD Almighty.
      
  • None of these are Signs to anything.
  • For ample Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs, please visit:

  • The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
      

  • Also visit: 9/11 was 100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!

  • Many references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our Islamic Texts.  This is one of the most popular Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  And indeed, we are seeing it come to pass before our very eyes.  Please also visit:

  • The hijacked Bible.
      

  • Listen also to Jeremiah 18:1-10!
      

  • The 666 symbol is actually referring to today's neo-con Christianity and Zionism!  See the clear-cut proofs and images here.
      

  • Also see the sub-section: The Israeli 666 symbol.
      

  • Does the Bible predict the dividing of Israel?  Who are the nations that divided Israel?  And what will be their punishment?
      

  • The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
      

  • Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?
      

  • Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


      

  • Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

  • The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.  


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