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Qur'an Contradiction:

Who Suffers the Consequence of Sins according to the Qur'an?


By
Karim
(He is a new convert to Islam, from the Netherlands)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Response to : http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Contra/suffer_for_sin.html

 

text in blue is text from answering islam, my responses and comments are in the colors black

 

They (answering islam)  wrote:


The Qur'an states that a person will only be responsible for his/her actions:


And every man's work have WE fasten to his neck; and on the Day of Resurrection WE shall bring out for him a book which he will find wide open. It will be said to him, ‘Read thy book. Sufficient is thy own soul as a reckoner against thee this day.’ He who follows the right way follows it only for the good of his own soul; and he who goes astray, goes astray only to his own loss. And no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. And WE shall never punish until WE have sent a Messenger. S. 17:13-15 Sher Ali


That no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another, And that man will have nothing but what he strives for; And that the result of his striving shall soon be known; Then will he be rewarded for it with the fullest reward; And that with thy Lord is the final judgment; S. 53:38-42 Sher Ali


The Qur'an also states that even people who simply followed the (wrong) customs of their ancestors, i.e. were misled by them into transgressing God's law, cannot pass the burden and punishment to those who led them astray, but will have to bear their punishment in full:


So be not thou in doubt concerning that which these (folk) worship. They worship only as their fathers worshipped aforetime. Lo! we shall pay them their whole due unabated. S. 11:109


(comment: this verse (11:109) talks about the people of Noah as a whole nation, the whole nation followed the traditions of their ancestors (who didn’t live anymore), so off course there’s no mention of the punishment for the misleaders in this verse, since there weren’t any misleaders alive (they were already death), further there are no traditions about Noah’s time of disbelievers who tried to mislead Noah’s followers with statements like ‘we will burden your sins etc..)


I.e. no deduction from the punishment for the reason of having been misled.


Yet these statements are contradicted by the next set of passages:


That they may bear their burdens entirely on the day of resurrection and also of the burdens of those whom they lead astray without knowledge; now surely evil is what they bear. S. 16:25 Shakir


And those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Follow our path and we will bear your wrongs. And never shall they be the bearers of any of their wrongs; most surely they are liars. And most certainly they shall carry their own burdens, AND OTHER BURDENS WITH THEIR OWN BURDENS, and most certainly they shall be questioned on the resurrection day as to what they forged. S. 29:12-13 Shakir


Interestingly, the Qur'an contradicts itself in a space of two verses. This last passage says that disbelievers will not carry the believers' sins. But right after saying this, the Qur'an says that on the resurrection day the unbelievers will not only carry their own burden of sins, but the burden of others as well!


Response:


A casual reader of the Quran may conclude from these verses that there seems to be some discrepancies in the way the verses relate. But there are no contradictions whatsoever. The point made in the verses is this: We are absolutely responsible for only our own sins, which are incurred by our direct acts. Others cannot transfer their sins to us, in order to have theirs erased or even reduced. Nor can we inherit sins from our relatives or the ancestors. It is explained beautifully in 35:18 that even if we were related, we cannot carry part of their sins. But we may incur the sins of people if we cause them to be misled


 

Tafsir Ibn kathir 16:25

(They will bear their own burdens in full on the Day of Resurrection, and also of the burdens of those whom they misled without knowledge.) meaning, `We decreed that they would say that, so they will carry the burden of their own sins and some of the burden of those who followed them and agreed with them,' i.e., they will be held guilty not only for going astray themselves, but also for tempting others and having them follow them. As it says in a Hadith:

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(Whoever invites people to guidance, he will receive a reward like that of those who follow him, without diminishing their reward in the least. And whoever invites people to misguidance, he will bear a burden of sin like that of those who follow him, without diminishing their burden in the least.) Allah says;

Source: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=16&tid=27456



People who misled others to disbelief get what they deserve, this verse in no way supports the theory that innocents will be hend responsible for the sins commited by others (like their parents), these people (the misleaders) weren’t innocent, They received a punsihment for THEIR OWN SIN
MISLEADING OTHERS.

So Allah swt punishes those extra who misled others by giving them a burden of sin like that of those who follow him ,, but the misled ones won’t get their sins erased! They will still be held responsible for their own sins! So the misleader doesn’t take the burden away of the one who was misled, or in other words; And no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another (17:15) , the hadith in Ibn Kathir’s tafsir clearly mentions that the misleader: 


will bear a burden of sin like that of those who follow him, without diminishing their burden in the least
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The misleader is completely held responsible for his own sin
misleading others. Allah swt will increase his burdens therefore. Were talking here about a punishment for someone’s own responsibility.


Their responsibility or crime is twofold: (1) that they rejected Allah’s Message, and (2) that they misled others. Their Penalty will also be double. In 6:164, we are told that “no bearer of burdens can bear the burder of another”. This is against the doctrine of vicarious atonement. Every man is responsible for his own sins: but the sin of misleading others is a sin of the misleader himself, and he must suffer the penalty for that also, without relieving those misled, of their responsibility.  (‘The meaning of the Holy Quran’ Abdullah Yusuf Ali, page 642, note 2048 )


In short “The misleader only gets punished for his own deeds (whoever invites people to misguidance, he will bear a burden of sin like that of those who follow him, without diminishing their burden in the least) , and not for someone’s other deeds (sins) ” 


This statement of Allah swt shows how just he is, the one who mislead others will get extra punished, because he is also responsible for some of the sins of his followers (who he misled) , this is justice.


 

Every Person Carries His Own Burden

Allah said,

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(No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another.) thus emphasizing Allah's reckoning, decision and justice that will occur on the Day of Resurrection. The souls will only be recompensed for their deeds, good for good and evil for evil. No person shall carry the burden of another person, a fact that indicates Allah's perfect justice. Allah said in other Ayat,

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(And if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin.) [35:18], and,

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(Then he will have no fear of injustice, nor of any curtailment (of his reward).) [20:112] Scholars of Tafsir commented, "No person will be wronged by carrying the evil deeds of another person, nor will his own good deeds be curtailed or decreased.'' Allah also said;

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(Every person is a pledge for what he has earned. Except those on the Right.) [74:38-39], meaning, every person will be tied to his evil deeds. But, for those on the right -- the believers -- the blessing of their good works will benefit their offspring and relatives, as well. Allah said in Surat At-Tur,

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(And those who believe and whose offspring follow them in faith, to them shall We join their offspring, and We shall not decrease the reward of their deeds in anything.) [52:21], meaning, We shall elevate their offspring to their high grades in Paradise, even though the deeds of the offspring were less righteous, since they shared faith with them in its general form. Allah says, We did not decrease the grades of these righteous believers so that those (their offspring and relatives) who have lesser grades, can share the same grades as them. Rather Allah elevated the lesser believers to the grades of their parents by the blessing of their parents' good works, by His favor and bounty. Allah said next (in Surat At-Tur),

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(Every person is a pledge for that which he has earned.) [52:21], meaning, of evil. Allah's statement here,

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(Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing.) means, work you (disbelievers), and we will also work. Surely, both you and us will be gathered to Allah and He will inform us of our deeds and your deeds and the decision on what we used to dispute about in the life of this world. Allah said in other Ayat,

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(Say: "You will not be asked about our sins, nor shall we be asked of what you do." Say: "Our Lord will assemble us all together, then He will judge between us with truth. And He is the Just Judge, the All-Knower of the true state of affairs.") [34:25-26].

Source: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=6&tid=17389


 

They wrote:


Now someone may say that these passages are only denying that the unbelievers will carry the burdens of the believers' sins, but it doesn't deny that they will carry the burdens of other disbelievers. Even with this proposed harmonization, these passages still contradict Surahs 17:13-15 and 53:38-42 mentioned above. Those surahs say that a person will not carry the burden of anyone else's sins, whether he is a believer or not.


We are not the first to observe that this constitutes a contradiction. Scholar of Islamic Studies, Arthur Jeffery has this note on Surah 16:25:


"This is in contradiction with the oft-repeated statement that no burdened soul will bear the burden of another. But that statement seems meant to exclude hope in a Redeemer who will take on himself the guilt of others, whereas here the meaning is that some of the guilt of those led astray will be placed on those who have led them astray." (The Koran, Selected Suras, footnote 4 to Sura 16)


Response:


We have already refuted these claims in our previous reply, however we will present the reader some more info about this issue:


The words ‘And no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another’  , means no person can transfer their sins to us, in order to have theirs erased or even reduced , even if we ask Allah swt for this .


Example:


No father or mother can ask Allah swt to transfer their children sins tot hem, in order to have the sins of their children erased. Thats why Allah swt says:
And no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another’  , neither will childeren be punished for the sins commited by their parents etc.


The disbelievers tried to misled the muslims by claiming ‘Follow our path and we will bear your wrongs’ , Allah swt responds to their claim


And those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Follow our path and we will bear your wrongs. And never shall they be the bearers of any of their wrongs; most surely they are liars. ( meaning: the disbelievers cannot erase or even reduce the wrongs of the believers by bearing their wrongs, everyone is responsible for his own deeds and  everyone must suffer the consequences and penalty for his own sins)

 

Reading Ibn Kathirs tafsir on verses 17:13-15 clears alot

Ibn Kathir:

No One will have to bear the Sins of Another

Allah tells us that whoever is guided and follows the truth, walking in the footsteps of the Prophet , he will gain the good consequences of that for himself.

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(And whoever goes astray,) meaning from the truth, deviating from the way of guidance, he is wronging himself and will have to bear the consequences. Then Allah says:

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(No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden.) no one will have to bear the sins of another, and he does not wrong anyone besides himself, as Allah says:

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(and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted) [35:15] There is no contradiction between this and other Ayat:

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(And verily, they shall bear their own loads, and other loads besides their own.) [29:13] and:

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(and also of the burdens of those whom they misled without knowledge.) [16:25] For those who called others to do evil will bear the sin of their own deviation as well as the sin of those whom they led astray, without detracting the least amount from the burden of those people, and none of this burden shall be removed from them. This is the justice and mercy of Allah towards His servants. As Allah says:

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(And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).)

Source: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28696

 

They wrote:


Another verse contradicting the principle that "no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another" is the following:


O ye who believe! respond to ALLAH, and the Messenger when he calls you that he may give you life, and know that ALLAH comes in between a man and his heart, and that HE it is unto Whom you will be gathered. And beware of an affliction which will surely not smite exclusively those among you who have done wrong. And know that ALLAH is severe in requiting. S. 8:24-25 Sher Ali


Here, even the innocent will suffer the affliction that will smite the wrongdoers. The Qur'an also blames the Jews of Muhammad’s time for the sins their ancestors had committed before their time, like making the golden calf:


Response:

Verse 8:24-25 doesn’t talk about the day of Resurrection. Contrary the other verses about ‘no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another’ are talking about the day of Resurrection, where ‘souls will  be recompensed for their deeds, good for good and evil for evil.


And on the Day of Resurrection WE shall bring out for him a book which he will find wide open. It will be said to him, ‘Read thy book. Sufficient is thy own soul as a reckoner against thee this day.’ He who follows the right way follows it only for the good of his own soul; and he who goes astray, goes astray only to his own loss. And no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. And WE shall never punish until WE have sent a Messenger. S. 17:13-15 Sher Ali


Therefor verses 8:24-25 doesn’t contradict anything (verse 8-24-25 doesn’t talk about the day of Resurrection)

Tafsir Ibn kathir

(8-25. And fear the Fitnah (affliction and trial) which affects not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong, and know that Allah is severe in punishment.)

Warning against an encompassing Fitnah

Allah warns His believing servants of a Fitnah, trial and test, that encompasses the wicked and those around them. Therefore, such Fitnah will not be restricted to the sinners and evildoers. Rather, it will reach the others if the sins are not stopped and prevented. Imam Ahmad recorded that Mutarrif said, "We asked Az-Zubayr, `O Abu `Abdullah! What brought you here (for the battle of Al-Jamal) You abandoned the Khalifah who was assassinated (`Uthman, may Allah be pleased with him) and then came asking for revenge for his blood' He said, `We recited at the time of the Messenger of Allah , and Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman,

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(And fear the Fitnah (affliction and trial) which affects not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong,) We did not think that this Ayah was about us too, until it reached us as it did.''' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah,

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(And fear the Fitnah (affliction and trial) which affects not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong,) refers to the Companions of the Prophet in particular. In another narration from Ibn `Abbas, he said, "Allah commanded the believers to stop evil from flourishing among them, so that Allah does not encompass them all in the torment (Fitnah). '' This, indeed, is a very good explanation

Source: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=8&tid=19920

 

They wrote:


And remember the time when Moses prayed for water for his people and WE said, ‘Strike the rock with thy rod;’ And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, so that each tribe knew their drinking place. And they were told, ‘Eat and drink of what ALLAH has provided, and commit not iniquity in the earth, creating disorder.’ And remember when YOU said, O Moses, surely we will not remain content with one kind of food; pray, then, to thy Lord for us that HE may bring forth for us of what the earth grows - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its wheat and its lentils and its onions.’ He said, ‘Would you take in exchange that which is worse for that which is better? Go down to some town and there is for you what you ask.’ And they were smitten with abasement and destitution, and they incurred the wrath of ALLAH; that was because they rejected the Signs of ALLAH and sought to slay the Prophets unjustly; this was because they rebelled and transgressed
...


And remember the time when WE took a covenant FROM YOU AND RAISED YOU ABOVE THE MOUNT, saying, ‘Hold fast that which WE have given you and bear in mind what is therein, that you may be saved.’ Then YOU turned back thereafter; and had it not been for ALLAH's grace and HIS mercy upon YOU, YOU would surely have been of the losers. And surely, you have known the end of those AMONGST YOU, who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. So WE said to them, ‘Be ye apes, despised.’ Thus WE made it an example to those of its time and to those who came after it, and a lesson to those who fear God. S. 2:60-61, 63-66 Sher Ali


And remember the time when YOU killed a person and differed among yourselves about it, and ALLAH, would bring to light what YOU were hiding. Then WE said, ‘Compare this incident with some other similar ones’ and YOU will discover the truth. Thus does ALLAH give life to the dead and show YOU HIS Signs that YOU may understand. Then YOUR hearts became hardened after that, till they were like stones or harder still; for of stones there are some out of which gush forth streams, and of them there are some out of which flows water when they cleave asunder. And indeed of them are some that humble themselves for the fear of ALLAH. And ALLAH is not unmindful of what YOU do. S. 2:72-73 Sher Ali


And Moses came to YOU with manifest Signs, THEN YOU TOOK THE CALF FOR WORSHIP IN HIS ABSENCE, and YOU were transgressors. And remember the time when WE took a covenant from YOU and raised high above YOU the Mount, saying ‘Hold firmly to what WE have given you and hearken;’ They said, ‘We hear and we disobey;’ and their hearts were saturated with the love of the calf because of their disbelieve. Say ‘Evil is that which your faith enjoins on you if you are believers,’ Say ‘If the abode of the Hereafter with ALLAH is solely for you to the exclusion of all other people, then wish for death if you are truthful.’ But never shall they wish for it, because of what their own hands have sent on before them; and ALLAH knows the wrongdoers well. S. 2:92-95 Sher Ali


The first quotations state clearly that nobody shall have to bear the sins of other people. Each person is only responsible for his own sins. Yet, the Qur'an (Allah / Muhammad) levels accusations at the Jews in the 7th century for the sins of some of their ancestors in about 1400 BC, roughly 2000 years earlier. These accusations are clearly in contradiction to the "general principle" that nobody shall bear the sins (burdens) of others.


Response:


All  these  verses start with ‘REMEMBER’ , these verses are ment to remind the jews of their stories in history (Allah swt was confirming wat happened to the jews before in history)


For example: ‘And remember when YOU said, O Moses, surely we will not remain content with one kind of food’


The term ‘You’ is just a reference to the jews as a nation in history, this sort of grammar isn’t insulting at all, neither does it say thatjews will be punished for the sins of their ancestors!


This sort of speech is normal grammar. It doesn’t say in anyway  ‘you jews will be punished for the sins of your ancestors’. These  verses are only telling the story of the jews during the lifetime of moses.


Just take a look closely at the first verse they quote from the qu’ran for example:


And remember the time when Moses prayed for water for his people and WE said, ‘Strike the rock with thy rod;’ And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, so that each tribe knew their drinking place. And they were told, ‘Eat and drink of what ALLAH has provided, and commit not iniquity in the earth, creating disorder.’ And remember when YOU said, O Moses, surely we will not remain content with one kind of food; pray, then, to thy Lord for us that HE may bring forth for us of what the earth grows - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its wheat and its lentils and its onions.’ He said, ‘Would you take in exchange that which is worse for that which is better? Go down to some town and there is for you what you ask.’ And they were smitten with abasement and destitution, and they incurred the wrath of ALLAH; that was because they rejected the Signs of ALLAH and sought to slay the Prophets unjustly; this was because they rebelled and transgressed...


These verse clearly speak about history , remember , they rebelled , transgressed , YOU were transgressors  (it says: you WERE ! )


These verses clearly don’t insult the jews in the 7th century, neither do they sayyou will be punished for your ancestors whorshipping of the calf’’etc. These verses have nothing to do with the theme that that nobody shall have to bear the sins of other people’


They wrote:


Significantly, this is not a thing of the past, but has consequences in our time. To this day, Muslims vilify the Jews because of the sins of some Jews of long ago. Jews are still the favorite objects of Muslim contempt based on the quranic condemnation of them. Also Christians are still summarily accused and maligned for the crusades, although the last one was some 700 years ago.

 


Response:

What does this sort of information have to do with the article  Who Suffers the Consequence of Sins according to the Qur'an?’


Nothing!


I guess the christian missionaries are getting emotional here. They are the ones who still accuse the jews for ‘killing jesus’ . Even mel gibson made a movie about it, many jews protested against the move, because they found the movie insulting to hem.


Furhter christians like sham shamoun ,jochen katz and craig winn are still accusing and insulting innocent muslims and islam ( an innocent and peacefull religion) for the terrorists attack of 11 september (which are condemned in the quran and authentic sunnah of our prophet saw, since innocent people were killed, including women and children, which islam totally forbids).

 


They wrote:


Now, one reason for even bringing this up is because of the common appeal by Muslims to similar statements of the Holy Bible in order to "prove" contradictions within the Sacred Scriptures. For instance, Muslims will try to pit Ezekiel 18:1-4, 20 against passages such as Deuteronomy 5:9-10 and Romans 5:12-21, especially as it relates to the Christian belief in Original Sin and the concept of Imputation (i.e., the sin of Adam and the righteousness of Christ being imputed to others).


The Muslim must deal with the preceding quranic passages, and yet whatever answer he/she comes up with to reconcile them will apply equally to the biblical passages. In other words, it becomes an issue of consistency and integrity. Muslims in general, and Muslim apologists specifically, need to learn to apply their methodology fairly and not simply adopt a method which seeks to undermine the Holy Bible when that same method can be used equally, if not more forcefully, against the Qur'an.

 

Response:


Sounds like you are talking all about yourself, since when are christian missionaries fair? For example accusing and insulting Islam for polygamy, while abraham (peace be upon him) and solomon (peace be upon him)  had more that one wife in the bible.


For more on Ezekiel 18 and Deuteronomy 5:9-10, we recommend the following article:

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/paydaddy.html


Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz



P.S.: S. 16:25 and 29:12 are also in contradiction to S. 34:50 which is the topic of another article, Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong?

 

Response:


We have already refuted the so called claims that verses 16:25 and 29:12 contradict other verses, these verses don’t contradict att all with other quranic verses, also not with quranic verse 34:50. See for yourself:


Say: "If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul: but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of my Lord to me: it is He Who hears all things, and is (ever) near."
(Quran 34:50)


Ibn Kathir tafsir verse 34:50

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(Say: "If (even) I go astray, I shall stray only to my own loss. But if I remain guided, it is because of the Revelation of my Lord to me...'') means, all good comes from Allah, and in what Allah sends down of revelation and clear truth there is guidance and wisdom. So whoever goes astray, does so by himself, as `Abdullah bin Mas`ud, may Allah be pleased with him, said when he was asked about some issue. He said, "I will say what I think, and if it is correct, then it is from Allah, and if it is wrong, then it is from me and from the Shaytan, and Allah and His Messenger have nothing to do with it.''

Source: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=34&tid=42760


The punishment given to the misleaders in 16:25 and 29:12 is the result of their own responsibility and sin of
misleading others into disbelief , so theirs no contradiction with verse 34:50.


Aslo hadith like Were it not for Bani Israel, meat would not decay’ doesn’t contradict anything, since these hadith don’t refer to the day of resurrection.were no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another’


Further a reponse to answering islam’s article ‘
Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong?has already been given at:


http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/astray_rebuttal.htm

Allah swt knows best.

  

  

  

  

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