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What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?

Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus' Original Name:

Prophet Jesus' original name was Isa (eesa) as shown below.  Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is IesusIn Arabic, it is Isa (eesa).  It is literally pronounced as Eesa in Arabic.  There is a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached also in Arabic.  Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine. 

  

Very strong evidence that Jesus also preached in Arabic:

See the clear proofs here:

  • Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      

  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.

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    The following was taken from: "How Does Paul's Relationship with the Jerusalem Church Present a Problem for Islam?"

    Note:  The large emphasis and fonts below are mine that I added in this article for better reading.

         

      

      

    Osama Abdallah said...

    The problem with this approach is that early Christian writings were burned down by the wholesale by 7 Roman emperors:

    Nero (54-68)
    Domitian (81-96)
    Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
    Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
    Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
    Trajanus Decius (249-251)
    Valerian (253-260)

    EARLY BELIEVERS WERE CALLED MUSLIMS. Even Sam Shamoun seems to believe in this in his heart while verbally denying it. Read this quote from him:

    "In other words, even though it may correct that the term Mushlam later meant one who submits or referred to a Muslim, this doesn’t tell us whether it carried this meaning during the time of Christ, especially if we take into consideration that Mushlam is the translation of katertismenos, a word which does not include submission as one of its definitions."

    SOURCE: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Ataie/jesus_muslim.htm

    Notice here Sam Shamoun's "refutation" to this is his use of the Greek "source". But Jesus and the people of Palestine didn't speak Greek!! In fact, the disciples had to learn Greek through TOUNGUES OF FIRE that came down upon them. Otherwise, Greek was a foreign language there to most of the people.

    I have tried to cover this in my debate notes during my last four debates. I have covered the burning of the overwhelming majority of the Believers' writings from the seven Roman emperors, and I thoroughly demonstrated how the Arabian Prophet, which the New Covenant, will come according to the canonized Bible itself. Please visit: 

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/sons_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.htm

    This article is messy, because it is only my brief debate notes. The more organized section is here:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

      

    NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

    1- 
    The canonized New Testament text of today was written 50 to 300 years after Jesus. It is not original, and it is only little remnant from the original.

    2- The early believers were busy fighting the uphill battle of proving that Jesus was the Messiah born from a Virgin, and not a bastard born from a harlot. Muhammad was probably the last on the list.

    GOD Almighty Willing, me and Dr. David Wood will have a debate on the NT Text and Islam's view of it soon. The title of the debate is a bit lengthy, but it includes this topic and more.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     

     
     
    Andrew said...

    Osama is a comedian. "Jesus and the people of palestine (sic) didn't speak greek". Greek was one of the official languages of the empire. Of course Jesus and the disciples spoke greek. And as for "palestine" it didn't exist in Jesus' day. Israel would not be renamed "palestine" until 135AD.

     
     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    Andrew, 

    Who is the real comedian here? Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew to his people, and his sayings were documented in Greek, not Aramaic nor Hebrew.

    And you call me a comedian? And it seems that you have a difficult time reading here. I know that Palestine was controlled and ruled by the Romans, who spoke both Greek and Latin. But this doesn't mean that the people there spoke those languages. I am a Palestinian, and my family roots go back to countless centuries. WE DO NOT SPEAK GREEK THERE! Get that into your head. Even the Palestinian Christians don't speak Greek, nor Latin, nor Italian (a developed language from Latin).

    Palestine's first language is Arabic, and had always been Arabic. The Jews' first language is Hebrew. Many of them speak Arabic and many Arabs there speak Hebrew. BUT NEITHER IS FLUENT IN GREEK! Extreme few speak Greek. But the average people there only speak Arabic and Hebrew, from the Palestinians and Israeli sides.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    "And as for "palestine" it didn't exist in Jesus' day. Israel would not be renamed "palestine" until 135AD."

    Even in the Bible, and before the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt to Palestine, Palestine had always been called the LAND OF THE PHILISTINES.

    Osama Abdallah

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    Another point worth mentioning is Jesus most definitely spoke Arabic. I know that in your biased Scriptures that were doctored by men, this is not stated, but the very fact that the people of Palestine spoke only Arabic clearly proves that there are intentionally hidden things about the early Christian Believers' history that were suppressed.

    What is this Greek language and these man-made Greek gospels and books that were canonized? How come the Arabic original writings weren't there. Didn't JEsus speak with Samaritans (Gentiles)? WHO DO YOU THINK WERE THEY? They were Palestinians! And Palestine was opened by Caliph Omar 600 years after Jesus when Islam came and the Romans were defeated by the Muslims and Palestine was liberated.

     

    **** GUESS WHAT? THEY WERE 100% ARABIC SPEAKERS THERE.


    You couldn't possibly sit here and tell me that the nation of Palestine's first language was eliminated and was replaced by Arabic before Islam came. 

    So perhaps after all, original Arabic Scriptures did indeed exist with the Jews in Arabia. And perhaps they spoke clearly about Prophet Muhammad. And perhaps they were all burned down after the Muslims crushed the JEws in Arabia after their betrayal of the Muslims.

    I just find the absence of Arabic manuscripts from the early Christian writings to be quite ridiculous odd! It's all about Greek. But Greek was a foreign language. I have no problem accepting Greek, but the evidence is overwhelming against it. It is simply a foreign language, and Jesus didn't spoke it. Jesus definitely spoke Arabic, but yet, this is intentionally removed from your history.

    I find this quite odd. Think about it. You do find MUSLIM TO BE THE BELIEVERS' TITLE IN THE FEW REMNANTS THAT YOU HAVE. Don't you think that there is a whole a lot more to this than what little you have?

    Here is what the Glorious Quran Says about Muslims before Islam, and during Prophet Isa (Jesus) days:

    [005:111] "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'".

    So the Glorious Quran confirms that Jesus' followers were called Muslims, and your sources also confirm this.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

    Whether Jesus has spoken Greek or not in real life , according to Quran Jesus was absolutely speaking Greek language.

    And He (Allah) will teach him [‘Isa] the Book and Al-Hikmah and the Tawrat and theINJEEL.” [Al ‘Imran 3:48]

    INJEEL is not arabic word, it means nothing in arabic nor hebrew nor aramaic. 

    INJEEL straightly derives from GREEK WORD εὐαγγέλιον euangélion

    So if you're a muslim please stick to the Quran, please !

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    Dear brothers and sisters,

    More amazingly, we do find that the NT speaks about Jesus returning as AN ARAB, not an Israelite:

    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

    You also find MANY PASSAGES in the Bible's OT and NT about t new Servant (Prophet/Messenger), who will have the New Covenant with him, that he will come from the Lands of Kedar (Central Arabia today, near Mecca):

    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

    And you do also read about the House of GOD Almighty will be established IN THE DESERT of Kedar and its Path will be called THE PATH OF HOLINESS in Isaiah 35 and 60.

    So going back to the MUSLAM (Muslim) title of the Believers point, I find it quite odd that Arabic is not linked with Jesus in your Scriptures, while there should've been a whole lot more of it there.

    Happy Thanks Giving to all of you! :)

    Your humble brother,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Andrew said...

    Osama says " I know that Palestine was controlled and ruled by the Romans,". You conflate Philistia with Palestine. They are two different things. The philistines were red headed seafarers from the Agean who settled in what is todays Gaza. They had disappeared from history by the time the Romans came on the scene. The etymology of "palestine" is latin. When the Romans crushed the second jewish revolt in 135AD they renamed Israel "palestine". It was a calculated insult. As one historian has said, it would have been the equivalent of William the conqueror renaming England lesser France.

    The Romans even minted coins "the fall of Judea". Your assertion that in Jesus' day Israel was called "palestine" is risible.

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @HisBullAssh HamAndAss,

    Injil was the name of the Revelations that were given to Isa, peace be upon him. It is an Arabized word for the Aramaic "Awon-Galee-Yon". And Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew according to your sources. And I add that he spoke Arabic as well, and preached heavily in it as well, probably equal if not more than he did with Aramaic and Hebrew, since the Gentiles/Samaritans there were the Palestinians; Arabic speakers.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     

     
    Herakleios said...

    @Osama:
    You seem to be very sure and (think to be) educated about many things. Yet, you show a lot of errors.
    Just to pick one example. You say the Samaritans were speaking arabic? Are you so sure about that? It is Kind of funny, i just met a Samaritan 2 Weeks ago!!! His own language was a Kind of samaritan hebrew ... we read Parts of the samaritan Pentateuch and it was very interessting to hear the differences between the samaritan and jewish texts. I dont know if he does speak arabic, but the samaritans have and always had their own way of speaking hebrew, NOT arabic.
    For the start, take a look at this page: http://www.israelite-samaritans.com/
    it might be interesting for you, because the samaritans of today are trying to bring peace to jews and palestinians and seem to get along very well with both of them.
    Are you seriously saying, that Jesus spoke ARABIC??? I am fine, to say his first language was Aramaic, but Arabic is the one that is ridiculous. Greek in those times was, what english is for most People today. The language everyone could communicate in. Wouldnt it make sense for God to choose that language then? Especialy from a completely secular Point of view - it is absurd to say, that People in Israel didnt speak greek. It is even very disputable how big the percentage is, of People that had greek as their 1st language. The hellenistic period left a mark in history, that changed the world and left many People speaking greek around all the land that Alexander conquered and his successors then kept ruling. Some works of historians i have read give estimates of above 50% even for Jerusalem, although those numbers in Dispute. No one would argue, that greek wasnt one, if not THE, language for communication around the mediterrennean countries!

    What i find very disturbing is your way of speaking of some kind of liberation of the People of what you call palestine. I know, that you, in your worldview, think that they have been muslims all the way along time. In ancient times those People in that Region, that were not jews (samaritans included), were mostly what you would call idolators. There is absolutely no evidence to Support your theory of Islam being pre-existend before Mohammed. Or please show me any historical evidence, that has any credit in modern scholarship! The only Thing you can demonstrate is, that Mohammed borowed a lot from other believes and cults and incorporated those into what is called the Quran.
     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Herakleios,

    Greek wasn't a global language like English is today. It was very limited and very local to Greece and to near lands from the Roman Empire. 
    Europeans are not Greek speakers! And Palestinians too didn't speak Greek. And North Africans didn't speak Greek. And Egyptians didn't speak Greek. On the contrary, The entire Middle East, and North and Central Africa ARE ALL ARABIC SPEAKERS. Arabic is their first language. This is Islam easily spread throughout those lands. It was quite easy to communicate with them.

    Also again, when Muslims opened Palestine just a few centuries after Jesus (after the Muslims defeated the Romans), the people of Palestine all spoke Arabic.

    As to Samaritans, they were mostly Gentiles. Some say they are a mix between Jews and Gentiles.

    As to Jesus speaking Arabic, not only did he speak Arabic, but I firmly believe that during Islam's days, there were actual ARABIC MANUSCRIPTS IN ARABIA that spoke about the coming of the Divine Religion of Islam. The Quran clearly references them!! Muhammad would've easily been proven a liar if they weren't there. And even in today's canonized Bible, we find ample passages that predict the coming of Islam from Arabia as GOD Almighty's New Covenant. Unfortuantly also, the mentioned Roman emperors above did burn a vast number of early Believers' writings.

    So once again, there is a lot more to MUSHLAM in the Bible.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Andrew said...

    I have always wondered when Jesus and Pontius Pilate met what language they communicated in - Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek?

     
     
    Herakleios said...

    @Osama:
    Thanks for your Reply. Sadly you didnt give me any sources for your Claims.
    I study history and everything i have ever read about this Topic - languades around the mediterrenean - stands oppisite to what you are saying.

    Could you please give sources to your claims? You do realise, that the Things you are saying are very much against anything the majority (if not all) of the scholars today are saying. So any sources from your side would be very helpful.

    But first things first:
    You do realise, that i spoke to a Samaritan myself? Those People still live today. You Claim, that they spoke arabic. Yet their writings are not in arabic, but in a Special samaritan-hebrew. They still posess many ancient writings and still speak their own language today. The man i spoke with can trace his Family back many thousands of years and they never left, what they call, the holy land. So, could you please give me any historical sources, that would Support your Claim, that the samaritan People spoke arabic as their main language (what you did at least twice in the Texts above), or take back you Claim and say that you were wrong about this?
    Btw. i take back one Thing: i do think the man speaks arabic, but it is not his first language.

    Second: You do know about koine greek? Even a short visit to Wikipedia (although i dont take it as a real reliable source for history) will give you the following:
    "... was the common supra-regional form of Greek spoken and written during Hellenistic and Roman antiquity. It developed through the spread of Greek following the conquests of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC, and served as the common lingua franca of much of the Mediterranean region and the Middle East during the following centuries."
    As i said, Wikipedia is not a very good source, but it is stating the same, as any book you will read about this Topic. So, where are your sources about greek being only a very local language?
    Could you answer me the following questions: Why did the jews translate their Texts into greek - the septuagint. Shouldnt they have translated it into arabic, if all People in that Region spoke arabic?
    What was arabic like in the 1st Century AD? As far as my knolage goes, the "classical arabic" developed just in the time, the quran was written down. There are older roots for arabic and some can be traced back to the first or even 2nd millenium BC, but not in the form, of what you would call arabic today. You are right, that some People spoke arabic, but it was not such a widespread language until the islamic conquest. I refer you to Wikipedia to make things easy, but i can happily give you further sources for that.

    In the 1st centruy AD, all around the Mediterranean, Latin and especially Greek where the most common languages - not the first language everyone spoke, but just like english is today. I can give you a lot of different sources, although most of them, that i have at my home right now, are in german. So if you want any sources in english, i will gladly Research some english versions for you.

    Do you have ANY source, that would Support your Claim, that Jesus spoke arabic? Do you have ANY source, to Support your Claim, that arabic was a very common spoken language in Israel in that time? And what would be very interesting: Do you have any source that would Support your Claim, that there were some Kind of muslim palestinians in Jesus times? There are None. You just make These Things up!



     

     
    Herakleios said...

    One more Thing:
    "The entire Middle East, and North and Central Africa ARE ALL ARABIC SPEAKERS. Arabic is their first language. This is Islam easily spread throughout those lands. It was quite easy to communicate with them."

    Yes they ARE .. but the havent always been. Islam didnt spread so fast, because the People all spoke arabic. Islam spread so fast, because of conquest and conversion by sword.
    Before the ilamic conquest the People of palestine spoke Greek, Aramaic, Syriac and a few arabic, although that arabic was a dialect of its own and most propably not like the arabic in the quran. http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/med/mango.asp

    What i find very amusing - and the samaritan i spoke to said the same: Did you take a look at the DNA researches of the past years? It Shows, that Jews, Samaritans and Palestinians are all from the same blood. 
    "The results match historical accounts that Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. " 
    "found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews."
    http://www.ibric.org/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

    So why the hatred? Maybe Islam divided what where Brothers once? 
     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    The spoken Arabic language dates back to more than 8000 years ago, and I have no doubt that it even goes before that. And according to Islam, we believe it is the Language of Heaven and the first language that Adam, peace be upon him, spoke, because it is the Language of Heaven.

    The Arabic alphabets existed among the Arabs even during BC dates, and they were forever cemented by the Glorious Quran. Visit the following links:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=qBbwGczaWqEC&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=arabic+language+is+8000+years+old&source=bl&ots=C0Z2QlXCsq&sig=hXM4aOCbojJBn3fFyHG0pK1dyO4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyseO1vrfJAhUD5SYKHRdOA8EQ6AEIPTAF#v=onepage&q=arabic%20language%20is%208000%20years%20old&f=false

    And here is a poem written during 2400 BC in Arabic:

    http://www.m-a-arabia.com/site/11538.html

    Your notion that Palestinians only spoke Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew until 100 years before Islam, and then changed 180 degrees and forgot all of these languages and learned Arabic, which would then explain to you why when Caliph Omar opened Palestine after the Roman's defeat, they were 100% Arabic speakers, THIS NOTION IS QUITE EMPTY AND RIDICULOUS!! It is almost an insult to the intelligence of the reader.

    If indeed Greek and/or Aramaic and/or Hebrew were our (the Palestinians) first language, then Islam would not have been able to eliminate any of them! After all, the Iranians are still not Arabic speakers today. The Turks are not also Arabic speakers today, and the Muslims above them from Albania and Kosova and Bosnia are also not Arabic speakers today.

    WHY ONLY THE PALESTINIANS HAVE TO DUMP THEIR GREEK LANGUAGE AND REPLACE IT WITH ARABIC ALL WITHIN 100 YEARS?? You are not making any sense!

    The bias and hate towards Islam and Arabic has caused for much lies to be invented against Arabic to suppress Arabic. It remains 100% clear that:

    1- Jesus spoke Arabic.
    2- Jesus lived among many Arabic speakers.
    3- Greek was not Palestine's first language.
    4- Greek was and had always been a foreign language there.
    5- Greek was never a global language, nor even dominant in the near by lands of the Roman empire, such as in modern-day Italy and Turkey. 
    These are non-Greek speaking lands that neighbor Greece from the east and the west.

    6- Arabic had always existed in Arabia.

    Furthermore, the Bible talks about three Babylons:

    1- Assyria's Babylon.
    2- The Virgin Daughter of Babylon (Arabia).
    3- The future Babylon or Mystery Babylon.

    Assyria's Babylon had been replaced with Islam today. And the Bible speaks greatly about demolishing the idols of the Virgin Daughter of Babylon and bringing the Truth and Light to it. And the reason why it was called VIRGIN DAUGHTER OF BABYLON WAS BECAUSE IT HAD NO DIVINE RELIGION SENT TO IT YET. Islam came and fulfilled this.

    The Bible also speaks about the New Covenant coming from the lands of Kedar, and the House of GOD Almighty will be established there, and the path of this House will be called "THE PATH OF HOLINESS". You can read the ample Biblical verses in the links that I already gave above.

    As to Injil, even if it exist in Greek, it would've been taken from Aramic or Hebrew or even Arabic, because these were the languages of Palestine at that time.

    As to what language Pilate and Jesus spoke, I am not sure as a Muslim if this even took place, but assuming that it did, it wouldn't matter if Jesus spoke in Greek with Pilate, because the language of the colonizer is one thing, and the language that the masses spoke in the land is another thing.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Dennis Abraham said...

    Dear Osama,
    Are you sure that Greek language and culture weren't present in the ancient Israel? Israel was under Seleucid Rule for years. The Seleucid rulers held Greek customs and language prime in all their colonies and the Maccabean revolt broke out in response to imposing Greek culture on Jews by force. The book of Maccabeus in the Apocrypha gives us more information on the Jewish history in the few Centuries before the birth of our Lord. Besides Hellenistic thought had great impact on Jewish philosophy as well.
    Secondly, the Jewish diaspora in Greece used to come to Jerusalem for worship and religious instruction, Paul was one of them, and we read about the Greeks who came to meet Jesus in the Gospel(they met Andrew, our Lord's disciple first). If you would remember, the inscription "Jesus of Nazareth, King of Jews" was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek above our Lord's Cross.(This statement clearly reflected the contempt for Jews and a warning to all Jews who read it) If Pilate just meant write it in all languages which were there in the land and around it, he could have written it in Arabic, Persian, Sanskrit and what not.

    Lastly, first century Palestine was a part of the Roman Empire more specifically eastern part of the Roman Empire and Greek was the official language of the eastern Roman Empire.

    Coming to the part of Arabic Manuscripts, as you know that the Arabic language was written in Nabothean Script earlier; the language's script developed completely towards the end of AD 6th century, so I frankly doubt if Arabic manuscripts were present in Israel back then. Besides, Jesus was a Jew and why should he speak the language of the Ishmaelites, with whom Jews weren't in good terms.
    Palestine, Northern Africa etc, never spoke Arabic before the Islamic invasion of those lands.
    I pray that Jesus will reveal himself to you, because Jesus said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..."(John 6:44).
    Prayers and Regards,
    Dennis

     
    Dennis Abraham said...

    God loves you Osama:).
    The passages which you quoted, wouldn't mean the the same if one read them in the context of the entire book. Besides, they are not a part of Torah, Sabur or Injil(which are the inspired books according to Koran), they form the part of Nabiyeem or Prophets. Taking a text out of its context makes it a pretext, and you can make the Holy Bible say anything you want to, if you would pick verses from here and there and do some verbal acrobatics. I frankly doubt if even Benjamin Keldani would have thought of them in that manner unless he wanted to make them refer to the prophet of Islam.
    Praying that God would speak to you,
    Prayers and Regards,
    Dennis

     
    Jesus Loves You! said...

    I've never posted anything here before but do visit this website, watch debates, and occasionally read the comments. I try to avoid Osama's comments as I find him rude and hateful. It is like he just throws up a bunch of fables and Muslim fairy tales hoping something will stick. Forget that his argument from the very beginning is ridiculous at best- his problem is that he doesn't know Jesus. If he truly knew Jesus, he would think it foolish to argue about if he spoke Greek or not. Jesus is the Creator of all things and nothing was created without Him. Jesus knows the hearts of men. Jesus healed the blind, lame, sick, raised the dead, forgave sin, died on the cross as a random for all people and rose from the dead. That is just to name a few of His accomplishments and attributes. Jesus claimed to be God and proved it. Can God speak Greek- of course! That is a ridiculous question. Christians believe Jesus to be God in flesh so can He speak Greek- absolutely! I guess since the Muslim god can only understand Arabic that is why Osama is so bent at trying to say Jesus spoke Arabic. So as an olive branch to Osama, I agree that Jesus, my Lord and God can also speak and understand Arabic- he is not limited by any language or anything or anyone for that matter! 

     

     
    Dennis Abraham said...

    Dear Osama
    The word Evangelion was not used by Jews neither Arabs nor Christians for the first time, it was used by Romans to indicate the ascension of a new Emperor or the victory of the Roman army in the battle. This word was borrowed by Christians to denote the triumph over sin, and the coming of the Kingdom of God. Remember, one of the allegations against Christians during the persecution in the first centuries was that they claim to be the subjects of a new king named Jesus and not Caesar. It is not fair to fight over the etymology of the word telling that it came from the 'arabicised' for of an Aramaic word.
    Besides, the word muslim (Arabic: مسلم‎, IPA: [ˈmʊslɪm]; English /ˈmʌzlɨm/, /ˈmʊzlɨm/, /ˈmʊslɨm/ or moslem /ˈmɒzləm/, /ˈmɒsləm/[13]) is the participle of the same verb of which islām is the infinitive, based on the triliteral S-L-M "to be whole, intact". I remember reading somewhere that the above S-L-M could mean peace (salaam)as well. It is childish to argue that early Christians ever referred to themselves as muslims.
    We read in Acts 11:26, that the followers of the way were called Christians in Antioch, and this occurred during the time of apostles and the people who lived during this period could have easily questioned Luke when he wrote them down in Acts of the Apostles around AD 62.
    Besides,around AD 116, Tacitus(a roman historian and senator) writes: "Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations,called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty.....

    Shall I now say Text History and Reason(THR) points to the fact that Early Christians never called themselves muslims?

    Praying that God reveal the truth about his only begotten son to you,
    Love and Regards,
    Dennis

     
    Andrew said...

    Acts 1:8 mentions the disciples being witnesses in Jerusalem. Then Judea and Samaria. Then to the ends of the earth.

    Hmm. No Palestine there. I wonder why?

     
    HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

    @Osama said {The spoken Arabic language dates back to more than 8000 years ago. I have no doubt that it even goes before that. And according to Islam, we believe it is the Language of Heaven and the first language that Adam, peace be upon him, spoke, because it is the Language of Heaven.}

    Arabic language had already existed 8000 yrs ago???
    This Osama guy is living in delusion and denial toward reality. 


    Osama said {And here is a poem written during 2400 BC in Arabic:http://www.m-a-arabia.com/site/11538.html}

    LOL,

    This assumption of 'arabic language had existed at time of Christ and even way before' is just absolutely pure silliness, even serious muslim intellectuals will also reject this HOAX in order to keep their dignity intact. 

    this Osama-guy will just receive any hoax and stupid material floating around out there and claiming it as the truth without even bother to use his mind to digest it first whether it's truly valid or not.

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Andrew,

    Even before the Exodus, the land had always been called the land of the Philistines. Even in Arabic, it is called Filasteen. I don't know why English chose to begin the word with a "P". So Palestine had always been called Filasteen.

    The Judea and Samaria names came later, and they are names for regions. But the grand name is Palestine.

    I'll respond to the other brothers later on tonight or tomorrow, GOD Almighty Willing.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Geoff said...

    Really excellent article, Jonathan. However I would like to point out one major oversight. You give five "historiographical reasons for thinking that Paul’s teaching was approved by the original disciples of Jesus". But you miss, perhaps the most persuasive: 2 Peter 3:15-16. The following is from the NIV translation. 

    "Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

    Peter himself not only endorses Paul's writings, but refers to them as "Scriptures" (i.e., the words of God, Himself). You can't get more definitive than that.

     
    Herakleios said...

    Dear Osama,

    (at least read the 2nd part of this text and Show me with historical sources, that it wasnt that way)

    when i click on the first link i get redirected to "before the dawn" by Nicholas Wade. Are you sure that link is correct? I havent read the book, but i read the summary and dont think there is something about 8000 year old arabic in it. Especialy i think, that this book goes much agains the Story of Adam - or did Adam evolve from Apes and was not created by god and Supports Evolution. As far as i have understood you in previous Posts from you, Evolution is not exactly what you would Support? God has no place in it!

    The second link is just a text - do you have a scientific work, Dating that text to 2500bc? I know many text, that seem to be older, than they are. Have you ever heard of the Nibelungen in Germany? It is a tale, that most propably was written down way later, than the Events it is describing.

    About the palestinians speaking only arabic. Give me please any source, or historical work that Supports that Claim. I never said, that they forgot all languages instantly and learned arabic instead. It was a process and i think many still could speak greek and other languages, as they still can today. Many palistineans speak Hebrew today and english and so on. 
    I think you are making one big mistake and you think the word "palistineans" would always mean the same. People living in Palestine have not always been the same and many Things changed over time. The People that call themselves palestinians today and who want the palestinian state are muslim People. Although there are Christian palestinians who propably wouldnt prefer living in a muslim Country and might be happy living in modern Israel. 
    If you say that Palestinians are per Definition People with arabic roots - you still cannot say, that they all spoke arabic, although this Definition would make more sense.
    Palestinians in Roman times where People living in the "Provincia Syria Palaestina". Not distinction made. And that is, what i refer to, when speaking of palestinians in Roman times. It was a mix of many People with many languages, arabic being a very small minority.
    The arabic language changed a lot over time and it is very hard to find any written sources before the rise of Islam. Saying it is 8000 years old, is just saying something. I dont say arabic wasnt spoken in some kind of form, but the arabic of the quran developed with the rise of Islam. Give me any proof, showing otheriwse! I say that the modern arabic is different from the arabic the People spoke 1000 years ago and much more different of the arabic the People spoke 2000 years ago. I dont say, that arabic "came into existence" with the quran. Arabic isnt even a muslim language. Many christians and jews spoke arabic Long before Mohammed. The Thing is - it wasnt the modern arabic and not the arabic of the quran. 
    What you get confused about is, that you think the People in modern israel were all of arab origin and spoke arabic. That is just false. Israel has always been a mix of many People and in the 1st century, Greek and Latin were the languages everyone could use to communicate. I never said, that greek was the 1st language of everybody. It was like english today, most People could use it to speak with other People. Many People in that Region did speak greek as their 1st language though ... Alexander the great build many cities and settled greek People there. Why should they stop speaking greek? 
     

     
    Herakleios said...

    (@osama: the part for you to answer to is at the bottom)

    The Population of syria and Israel changed a lot after the islamic conquest. It wasnt a Liberation of arabic speaking People. Look at Eqypt for example or other countries today, how christians are killed and persecuted and have to flee or die. Do you think it is surprising, that after a few decades the muslim, arabic speaking People are in the majority? 

    You really get confused about the languages. You say: "Greek was never a global language, nor even dominant in the near by lands of the Roman empire, such as in modern-day Italy and Turkey. These are non-Greek speaking lands that neighbor Greece from the east and the west."

    Yet it doesnt say anything about greek not being a language spoken by many People - not as their first language. With your reasoning one could say, that english is not a dominant language in the world, because in Germany People still speak german and that is a Country Close to England. Yet every child learns english at School!

    By the way ... maybe you should take a look at the history of Turkey. It was greek in large parts and especialy the west coast was very greek! Other parts were inhabitet by non-greek People, but still they could speak greek. The capital of turkey had been the capital of the east-roman empire, with greek being the Major language besides Latin. You see, how conquest can Change Things? Now most People speak Turkish in Istanbul ... go back in time and they spoke greek in constantinopel. The same thing happened in Israel and most arabic speaking countries today. They got conquered and over time, arabic got the dominant language and muslim People had a much easier life and Islam became the majority Religion in those countries.
     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    Dear brother Herakleios,

    In regards to links that demonstrate to you that Arabic dates back to thousands and thousands of years back, I could give you many of them and especially ones in Arabic. And you would of course reject them. But I've given you the best proof and you haven't really answered it. You kept beating the bush around it. All of Arabia from the North to the South, and all of North and Central Africa were all Arabic speakers when Islam came. Islam is not that far off in time from Christianity. In the relative time of history, it only came a few centuries after Christianity. SO THERE WAS NO TIME AT ALL FOR THE ARABS TO CHANGE THEIR GREEK LANGUAGE TO ARABIC. And what makes your argument weaker and weaker is that these lands were under the Romans' control. So Greek should've been deeply rooted in them. But opposite to that, we find Greek almost non-existent there. So with this my brother, it is more than abundantly clear that:

    1-
    ******** Jesus existed among Arabic speakers and other non-Arabic speakers.

    2- Jesus preached in Arabic and in other languages.


    3- The Arabic manuscripts of Palestine and Arabia were burned by the 7 Roman emperors who burned all of the Christian writings that they could get their hands on.

    As to Greek and how popular it was, sure it was in every land that the Romans conquered, but it was hardly the first-tongue or mother-tongue language of the nations that were conquered. You can show example after example of how the ruling authority were Greek speakers, but non of this really means anything. It remains unrefuted that Arabs did indeed speak Arabic throughout THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST and North and Central Africa.

    Have a blessed day.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Geoff said...

    @Osama

    Ah, no. Arabic was mainly spoken on the Arabian peninsula until the Islamic conquests. The native language of the speakers in the area of Jesus' ministry was Aramaic. Almost everyone in the Mediterranean region spoke Koine Greek. It was the common language used for trade among speakers whose first language was something else (and also native speakers of Greek). The idea that Jesus was "among Arabic speakers" is pure fantasy. Most likely, Jesus or the Apostles did not even know Arabic and virtually no one in the entire Mediterranean region was an Arab. That happened with Islamic conquests. 

    You're real doing a terrible job as an apologist for Islam. When you make these outrageously ignorant statements it just lowers your credibility to the point that is difficult to take seriously anything you say. BTW, I'm curious if you also maintain that the Temple Mount is not the site of the Second Jewish Temple that was, by every credible historical account, destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Because I've heard a lot of Islamists try to deny the historical Jewish presence in Jerusalem, the historical validity of the site of the Temple Mount, and even that Jerusalem was a city of Jews going back to King David. Are you also one of these people?
     

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah
    Hey, I am quite glad that you have chosen to stand for your position! However I must inform you that you are simply wrong. Arabic could not be 8000 years old, as even secular sources say humans are not much more than 10,000 years old. As to your refusal to understand the difference between a trade language and a primary language, use this as an example: All global trade is done in U.S. Dollars, whether the local currency is U.S. Dollars or French Euros or Chinese Yen. Similarly all trade in the Mediterranean was done in a rough Greek that everyone could learn. It was useful because many already spoke it due to Greek conquests in the area long past. There is simply no evidence for Arabic being a particularly common language at that time in that area. This unfortunately undermines your earlier points. Frankly Jesus was not a Muslim and texts from shortly after the time of writing show that there is simply not enough time for the New Testament to have been corrupted to the point of His original teachings having been Islamic. The teachings we see simply contradict the Quran too much.
    God's Grace follow you and may the Spirit act on your heart.

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Geoff,

    And with your vast knowledge, when did the people of the entire northern Arabian region begin to speak Arabic? And when did they

     
    **** SO ABRUPTLY lost Greek or Aramaic or whatever language you choose?

     

    Give me an exact year. Don't just give me empty anti-Arabs and anti-Islam assertions.

    Let's see if you can figure out on your own just how ridiculous your false teachings were regarding the Arabic language in the Middle Eastern region. And while you're at it, how come the Assyrians in Iraq and Syria and Iran and Turkey still speak Aramaic? And how come the Kurds in those regions also still speak Kurdish? How come they never abruptly loose their Aramaic and Kurdish? And when did they, the Assyrians, so abruptly loose their Greek? And the Kurds too. Did not your church teach you that they never really spoke Greek? Or did they only teach you that it was the Arabs who lost their Greek?

    Please name me the dates. Don't just give me empty assertions. You have words like MUSLIM (MUSHLEM) that even your Assyrian and Greek scholars don't know where it came from! So your sources are corrupt and lacking. Don't fight the Truth, because you would be then fighting GOD and joining satan. Let the Truth be. 

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Geoff,

    And who was the Canaanite woman in Matthew-1521-28? Did Jesus say that it was the GREEKS who were the Jews' dogs? Or was it the Assyrians after all who were the Jews' dogs? Or was it the Arab pagans who lived in Palestine, i.e., the Palestinians? And what language did she speak? Your Scriptures recorded this in Greek, but Greek is a mere translation. Even your scholars admit to this. So Jesus had spoken another language with her. Why couldn't that language be Arabic according to you? It's not like we're talking about England here! We're talking about Arabia, a region that is most dominated by Arabic speaking people, even those who are not Arabs do speak Arabic.

    And going back to the "dogs" point, when the woman believed, what did Jesus say to her? We are believers in Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him. And we spoke and do speak Arabic. Arabic was there and had always been there.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Herakleios said...

    @Osama: Please give me the many links - english ones prefered.
    Either my english is so bad, or you dont get what i want to say. I never said, that arabic was not spoken in Jesus time, but it was concentrated on the Arabia Region. You make very bold Claims, when you say taht ALL!! of North and Central Africa were speaking Arabic. That Claim is just not true. Many languages and dialects were spoken in those lands. The parts of North Africa bordering the mediterrenean were almost all Roman provinces in some time. Carthago in the earlier times was definitely NOT speaking arabic and the People living there after didnt speak arabic too! Until the 6th century even a lot of germanic speaking People came to North africa - the Vandals. You think they spoke arabic? 
    Another Point is .. what IS arabic? Is it the language of the quran, or do you include the language(s) it developed from. Or are you saying, that arabic has always been the same?

     
    Herakleios said...

    You assume that all of North and central africa was populated by Arabs ... and that is not true. They might have been a minority and in some parts a majority - but many, many other People lived there too. Just as in Israel. 

    The most important Point still will be - what do you define as arabic. Do you hold the islamic view of the golden Version of the quran in heaven? So how is it, that Linguists can proof, that arabic developed over time and was much different over the centuries. Even after Mohammed it still changed a lot!

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    "You assume that all of North and central africa was populated by Arabs"

    Not Arabs, but Arabic speaking people. An Arabic speaker may not necessarily be an Arab.

    "@Osama: Please give me the many links - english ones prefered.
    Either my english is so bad, or you dont get what i want to say. I never said, that arabic was not spoken in Jesus time, but it was concentrated on the Arabia Region."

    And based on the overwhelming evidence that I gave you regarding MANY OF the people of Palestine were not only Arabic speakers, BUT EVEN MOST OF THEM WERE ARABIC SPEAKERS.

    In regards to the links, here are some. I want the reader to see here that Arabic is now suddenly a language that DID EXIST DURING CHRIST'S TIME, but now they say yeah but it didn't exist in Palestine, despite the fact that the ENTIRE NORTHERN ARABIAN REGION ALL SPEAK ARABIC, not just Palestine. Notice that it was claimed that Arabic didn't come until 400 or so years after Christ. But now, it existed during his time :). Anyway, here are the links:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkgqaEr-fQE  (this is by an Arabian professor)

    http://www.alghad.com/prints/777807-%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A3%D8%B5%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%AA?s=508957ea7a511e065bd4ee6d03d6880e

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D9%85%D9%86+%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84+%D8%A3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86

    How about we just the Truth be! Let's not fight it. This age that we exist in is all messed up and is the age of the dajjal and the liars (not claiming anyone here is). So let's not embrace the claims of the racist and bigoted liars who try to rewrite history and bury the Truth.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    More scientific links regarding the Arabic language dating 1000s and 1000s of years back:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZypF8coIo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsknIRtmSxQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IThGjQ4lsE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZsqCuDVHo

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah
    Here's a quote from your original comment.
    "Notice here Sam Shamoun's "refutation" to this is his use of the Greek "source". But Jesus and the people of Palestine didn't speak Greek!!"
    This is what we were overall dealing with. Jesus spoke Greek. Most of the NT is in Greek. The entire Mediterranean spoke Greek as a trade language, so most would understand it. There is no evidence of Arabic being a common enough language that Jesus would speak it to be clearly understood! Your premise is flawed and the rest of your arguments fall because of it.
     

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah 
    Your full quote:

    "Notice here Sam Shamoun's "refutation" to this is his use of the Greek "source". But Jesus and the people of Palestine didn't speak Greek!! In fact, the disciples had to learn Greek through TOUNGUES OF FIRE that came down upon them. Otherwise, Greek was a foreign language there to most of the people."
     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    "There is no evidence of Arabic being a common enough language that Jesus would speak it to be clearly understood!"

    You have no evidence for anything, my dear. Just repeating the falsehood that you were raised with, and that is GOD Almighty hates Arabs, and Arabic didn't even exist during Jesus' times. And many keep parroting "GOD loved Jacob and GOD hated Essau!". As if this has ANYTHING TO DO with Islam and the Muslims and the language of Arabic.

    As to Greek, it was the language of the colonizers in Palestine. But it was never the native language there. Heck, we don't even know the Greek Alphabets in the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST! Even the Christian Arabs don't speak Greek, except for those who received specialized education on it.

    And how on earth did you come up with Arabic wasn't around there?? Arabs were very popular for their caravans travels and tradings. Plus the SHAM area (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan, and the Iraq area had always been considered Arab lands. And this is why the people there SIDED WITH THE CENTRAL ARABS against the Persians and the Romans.


    Learn and remove the ignorance my brother. We live in the age of liars and lies. Don't let the liars rewrite history and feed lies into your brain.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    It was the Northern Arabs who carried most of the brunt of fighting both the Romans and Persians, and it was the Northern Arabs who crushed both of them, and it was the Northern Arabs who crushed the crusaders and almost killed Richard lionheart in the battle, and it was the Northern Arabs' two capitals, Damascus and Baghdad that were the capitals, in different times, of the Islamic Caliphate that stretched from the borders of France (Spain was under the Muslims' rule) all the way to the borders of China. And it is from the Northern Arabs 
     

    ***** the Lord Jesus Christ will return!

     

    Don't believe me? See it for yourself from the Bible. He won't return from Jerusalem. He will return from the Northern Arabs, and Prophet Muhammad also made this Prophecy:

    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
     
     
    Herakleios said...

    @Osama: Oh nice.. youtube links. You seem to be very well educated, how historians work and what counts as a reliable source. Wikipedia and Youtube - yes.. i think i will base my research on those sources when i will write my Master. 
    With just one sentence, you made your complete argumentation worthless and disqualified yourself for any further discussion. 
    You said: "Give me an exact year.".
    This shows, that you have no idea, how history works. We are speaking of developements here. Same goes for the arabic language. It developed. I never said it came into existence at a certain point in time. It changed a lot and the language "arabic" people speaking today is very different from what it was 1000 years ago and even more different from what people spoke 2000 years ago. Even today there are big differences within arabic. 
    Your claim, that most of northern afrika spoke arabic is just false. Egypt for example had a big koptic population for a long time and they spoke koptic (or is it coptic in english?). See how you just dismiss such facts and just claim that they all spoke arabic? 

    I will wathc all your links you provided, but as i said - youtube is not a reliable source of any kind. Give me scientific works = BOOKS! By historians and linguists. I have access to a very good library from the university in the city i live in. It will be easy to get any book there. I myself study history and protestant theology and have a lot of work to do and learn - so i have not the spare time right now to research on my own. When i got more time i will surely do that. All i know from my history studies is, that arabic had never that big influence in pre islamic times, as you suggest. I think every historian will be on my side with that.

    Please educate yourself with real scientific works and learn how to "study" as a historian. Watching youtube videos is bad education and even wikipedia is at very best a bad start for historical studies. If i would quote from wikipedia in any work in my history studies my professors would mark my work as failed. Its the first thing people learn in the 1st Semester at university - those things: wikipedia and even worse: youtube .. those are NOT sources to quote (except that work would be about wikipedia ;) )
    I think it is ok to quote wikipedia in a surface level discussion like this one - but to support any scientific claims, one has to use works that can hold up to scientific standards.
    Forgive me for not answering to your links now - i just have to finish some work for university, but will do have a look at the links in the next few days. 
    For the future - please provide books by reputable historians and linguists to support your claims. I will not forget this and do some research after christmas - i have a bit more time then and will provide you with some books i will find about this topic. Until then, i will be reading the blog but propably have no time to answer. So see you after Christmas - 

    and to all people here a happy 2nd Advent tomorrow (do people say it that way in english?)

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah

    If you are going to answer our statements it would help greatly if you were to read them. You claim that we said that Greek was the native language in Israel, and we did not. We said it was a TRADE LANGUAGE! Not the primary language but a secondary language for conversing with people who were not local, like English in modernity and French not so long ago. As for the "Northern Arabs", I was unaware they lived in heaven or in the clouds.

     
    Andrew said...

    Osama> perhaps you should read this. Your position that israel was called "palestine" at the time of Jesus is untenable.

    http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp63.htm

     
    Geoff said...

    @Osama

    You said, "And with your vast knowledge, when did the people of the entire northern Arabian region begin to speak Arabic? And when did they **** so abruptly lost Greek or Aramaic or whatever language you choose? Give me an exact year. Don't just give me empty anti-Arabs and anti-Islam assertions."

    Well, it could have something to do with the violent Islamic invasion that where the men are killed, the women enslaved for sex, and children sold off to slavery. Or, maybe it was the constant subjugation and humiliation non-believers are subject. Or, maybe the Jizya, or some combination of these. I guess people would figure out that it's either best to get along or flee. But, the notion that this would have happen in some "exact year" is so preposterous that it's difficult to know how to respond to that. But, I'll tell you what. You tell me the exact year the British started speaking English and I'll tell you the exact year the majority started speaking Arabic in the Mediterranean.

    You said, "And while you're at it, how come the Assyrians in Iraq and Syria and Iran and Turkey still speak Aramaic? And how come the Kurds in those regions also still speak Kurdish? How come they never abruptly loose their Aramaic and Kurdish?" Probably for the same reason some Irish speak Irish Gaelic, Scotts speak Scottish Gaelic, the Welsh speak Welsh, and then there's Manx. Perhaps its the same reason many people speak French in Louisiana and many American Indian tribes speak English but retain their traditional languages.

    You said, "And who was the Canaanite woman in Matthew-1521-28? Did Jesus say that it was the GREEKS who were the Jews' dogs? Or was it the Assyrians after all who were the Jews' dogs? Or was it the Arab pagans who lived in Palestine, i.e., the Palestinians? And what language did she speak? Your Scriptures recorded this in Greek, but Greek is a mere translation....Why couldn't that language be Arabic according to you? It's not like we're talking about England here! We're talking about Arabia, a region that is most dominated by Arabic speaking people, even those who are not Arabs do speak Arabic." It's written in Greek because it was meant the reach the widest possible audience in a language understood by the greatest number of people. Why couldn't it have been Arabic? Unlikely, as most speakers in the region natively spoke Aramaic. The Canaanite woman was probably a Samaritan, who were a people that are mixed ethnicity with the original Canaanites, Assyrians, or Babylonians (brought in to displace the inhabitants during the Assyrian and/or Babylonian conquest) and Jews that were left after the the Assyrian conquest of the Northern Kingdom and the Babylonian conquest of the Southern Kingdom. It's not clear. You ask, "Why couldn't that language be Arabic according to you? It's not like we're talking about England here!" Well, she might have spoken Arabic, but that would have been anomalous. Then again, maybe she spoke Greek as either her first or second language. Maybe Latin, or something else. We don't know. We do know that Arabic was not commonly spoken anywhere in the Mediterranean region prior to the Islamic conquests.

    Now, I've pretty much wasted as much time as I care to waste. This is obviously not productive because you are not amenable to reality. However, you never answered my questions:

    BTW, I'm curious if you also maintain that the Temple Mount is not the site of the Second Jewish Temple that was, by every credible historical account, destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Because I've heard a lot of Islamists try to deny the historical Jewish presence in Jerusalem, the historical validity of the site of the Temple Mount, and even that Jerusalem was a city of Jews going back to King David. Are you also one of these people?

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Herakleios,

    It is not YouTube or Wikipedia or any website including this one that we're discussing through or my website or any website. It's the sources and resources. Like in History Channel when they make documentary films on certain historical events, they bring scholars and professors to put their inputs. You can't just dismiss the arguments put forth by saying oh yeah great, the history channel??? What a joke! The YouTube videos that I gave you were by PhD Professors with publications and research. Not just mere individuals. And Wikipedia is not a joke, by the way. They have tons of great references. Yes, somethings they have errors, but the majority of the articles that I've encountered had great references and scanned images in them.

    So none of them renders my argumentation as worthless as you put it. Look at the merits, not the websites.


    @Denis Abraham,

    The European colonizers wiped out more than 95% of the Native Americans population. So languages getting lost from them was due to the massive extermination of the people and their civilization.

    And either you didn't read everything, or you're trying to twist and pervert the whole thing here. The Northern Arabs were under the Romans and Persians up until the Muslims came and defeated them.

     

    SO GREEK SHOULD'VE BEEN ****** DEEPLY ROOTED AMONG THE PALESTINIANS.

     

    YET, NOT ONLY WE DON'T SPEAK GREEK, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN READ IT! 

     

    We don't even know the Greek Alphabets. Not even the ARAB CHRISTIANS DO! They have to learn Greek through special education.


    @ SgtKOnyx,

    As to Greek being a Trade language, sure I have no problem with that. It was also the local governments' and/or authorities' language. But this doesn't mean that the general population spoke it. Not even the Assyrians. Not the Arabs, nor the Hebrews nor the Assyrians. And as I explained above, Greek is virtually NOT SPOKEN anywhere on earth outside Greece by any nation on this earth. This clearly proves that Greek was never any other nation's native language outside Greece.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    stvn said...

    @osama

    they also asked you to mention scholarly books by non biased historians it think you left the one out.

    PS Latin was also once a world language, just wanted to mention that and not even Italy speaks Latin anymore. So you example makes no sense at all

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah 
    You wanna re-read your response to me? You might find how you disprove your own point! To save time, a trade language is a language spoken by many people allowing them to speak to one another. This defeats the claim that Greek was unspoken outside Greece. Suffice to say thay any language spoken by many people outside of the native population is simply not what you think Greek is and it is how we think.

     
    Andrew said...

    Yeah. I'm curious. Does Osama concede that there was a Jewish temple on the temple mount that was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD?

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Stvn,

    In regards to the scholarly references, I already gave videos of professors that did a lot of research in the Arabic language history.

    As to Latin, it didn't die out. It got evolved into new languages and dialects that developed from it, such as the Italian, French, Romanians and others. It is also still used today by the Catholic Church. So it didn't go extinct. As two bloggers put it:

    "It didn't disappear. It simply changed into French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian and other Latin languages, all of which might be termed modern dialects of Latin.

    If you compare the English of Shakespeare's time to modern US English, it will give you some idea of what can happen to a noble language in the course of a few centuries."

    "It didn't really die, it blended in to French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian and Portuguese. And it is still used in the Catholic Church and still studied by many people. Latin declined because the Roman empire fell and so it evolved. All languages will eventually evolve. It won't happen to English anytime soon but maybe in a very very very long time it will fade out."

    SOURCE: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100522140933AAxnpho


    @ SgtKOnyx,

    In regards to Greek being a trade language, brother there could've been ample translators and interpreters around that spoke multiple languages, especially in the official markets. Or Greek simply wasn't really that big. I find it quite odd that no nation today outside Greece speaks Greek.

     

     And I find it more odd that no one even can read it, or even its basic alphabets.


    So after all, Greek might've gotten inflated too much by Christians simply because of their bias towards it because it is the current New Testament's language. So it could be no more than bias and exaggeration.

    In the Middle East, Aramaic never died. Kurdish never died. Persian never died. Turkish never died. It's not like Islam came to exterminate languages. And like I said several times already above, PALESTINIANS WERE UNDER THE ROMAN OCCUPATION. SO GREEK SHOULD'VE BEEN DEEPLY ROOTED AMONG THEM. Not just them, but all of the Northern Arabs except the ones that were under the Persian occupation. But we don't have any evidence that Greek was strong among the Northern Arabs back then. Not only we don't understand Greek, we can't even read it. And this includes the Middle Eastern Christians as well; Assyrians included.

    And Assyrians too never spoke Greek! They never did before Islam and they never did after Islam.

    So Greek was exaggerated by Christians due to religious bias, because you don't find it spoken anywhere today except in Greece. Not even in Europe.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @ Andrew,

    The land had always been called Philistine. Even in the Bible before the Exodus it was called that. And the people in the land had always been called Philistines. This is why till this day we maintained our national title, Philistines (Palestinians).

    Israel was a name that came after, and it was given to the people. But this doesn't make the name of the land as such. So it is no more than an alias for the Jews. It is not the original name for the land.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    stvn said...

    @osama

    "In regards to the scholarly references, I already gave videos of professors that did a lot of research in the Arabic language history."
    so you have no sources from non arabic historians.

    "Israel was a name that came after, and it was given to the people."
    what was given and what people and who give it ?

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    "Israel was a name that came after, and it was given to the people."
    what was given and what people and who give it ?

    The people of Israel are called Beni Israel. Beni means people of or tribe of. According to Islam, Allah Almighty permitted the Jews to live in Palestine, but not to entirely own it. This is why Jews had always existed in Palestine and in the entire Middle East and in the entire Muslim world before 1948. Allah Almighty told them to live in the land after they fled the persecution and death of the Pharaoh who refused to become a Muslim.

    And by the way, there are no Jews. The original Believers had always been called Muslims. Not only this is in Islam, but Jewish historian and Rabbi Ben Abrahamson proved this as well. And they are those who HAADU (followed the Right Path). This is where HUDA (GUIDANCE) comes from. Visit the following links:

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Ben+Abrahamson+Jews+were+Muslims

    http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Short-videos---Dont-miss/29003/rabbi-ben-abrahamson-is-explaining

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rabbi+Ben+Abrahamson+is+explaining+how+Judaism+sees+devout+Muslims+as+perfect+monotheists

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    Dennis Abraham said...

    Brother Osama,
    You just mentioned the reason behind the presence of Arab speaking population in Northern Africa and Palestine. Migration and Conquest. Beibers of North Africa never spoke Arabic. But migrants from yemen etc, might have been present, but never as a majority. Muslim invaders never walked into a land with tributes to discuss terms of peace. They destroyed churches or turned them into mosques(but before that, they engraved in 'God doesn't beget is not begotten'. People were massacred, their faith was oppressed and were converted to the religion of Arabs by force.
    If you are a seeker of truth who doesn't take sides, you can actually find out the attitude of invaders to the people whom they conquered, from the early Islamic sources: they were either asked to convert or to pay Jizya, Religions were oppressed and were fought against till the Muslims became the uppermost. If you're sincere to yourself, you would admit that these things are found in Hadiths Al Bukhari, Al Muslim and Quran. 

    This oppression and forced conversions along with continued migrations created a countries with massive Arabic majority that you see today. 


    Jerusalem was under seleucid and roman occupation for years, they were in succession and Greek was one of the languages that they spoke. I understand that you agree with the presence of gteek language in ancient palestine; considering the centuries they were under this rule, kindly reconsider if the influence was greater than what you believe to be, besides now 20 centuries after the greek rule, and nearly 14 centuries of arabic rule, I frankly doubt if anyone would be speakng in greek in palestine at present(I guess you agreed to this when you said:SO GREEK SHOULD'VE BEEN DEEPLY ROOTED AMONG THE PALESTINIANS. YET, NOT ONLY WE DON'T SPEAK GREEK, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN READ IT).


    I leave it up to you to decide the truth. But your decisions can't change the facts of history. God bless you. May he take away the blinders which prevent you from seeing the truth. May he make his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.
    God Bless,
    Looking forward to seeing you as one among us brethren,
    Prayers and regards,
    Dennis

     
    stvn said...

    @oasam

    the like you provided has nothing to do with your statements.

    Can you pleas quote the koran and the hadiths to support your statement?
    "Allah Almighty permitted the Jews to live in Palestine, but not to entirely own it."

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @Stvn,

    Here is the Noble Verse that you asked for:

    [017:104] And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.

    The Jews were permitted to live in Palestine, and Allah Almighty Promised them that He will bring them all from all over the world into Palestine when their second punishment's time was to come. For more on this, you can visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm


    @Denis,

    What you said is not accurate at all! Not only that, but as I mentioned, Greek wasn't known even among the non-Muslims. And Arabic had always been a 1st language in the Middle East long before Islam came. And all other languages till this day are preserved in the Middle East. Why only Greek had to go extinct there?? It's because it was never a major language from the beginning.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

     
    SgtKOnyx said...

    @Osama Abdallah
    You just agreed Greek was a trade language, but now it wasn't even spoken? Sounds fishy. As to why Greek is no longer spoken in the areas surrounding Israel, there have been several conquests; notably a Muslim conquest of the area. That is certainly a reason the language is no longer spoken there, as 1900 years have passed since Jesus' time so one can expect some language changes. To say that an area never spoke a language in the distant past because they don't now is a silly argument. Please remember the debate on language is about whether Greek was spoken in Israel in early A.D. years.

     
    stvn said...

    @ osama

    if allah told the to live there and he will gather them out of various crouds, then where did you get this :" but not to entirely own it"

    and also you did not tell me if allah speaks arabic

     
    stvn said...

    i read your article :



    (a)- Lesser and lesser fossil fuel and natural resources to support all of them!
    (b)- Fossil fuel and natural resources are depleting.
    (c)- The world population will be in too many billions, and will not be sustainable!



    Major Shale Find Could Guarantee Israel’s Oil Supply For Years

    http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Major-Shale-Find-Could-Guarantee-Israels-Oil-Supply-For-Years.html
     

     
    Geoff said...

    "And by the way, there are no Jews." Wow. That's real special. Then you should be good with the Israelis controlling Israel, since they're Muslims.

    "Here is the Noble Verse that you asked for..." You can stop right there, because nobody you're trying to convince accepts either the historical accuracy or divine authority of the Q'uran. It's demonstrably inaccurate and self-contradictory and there is no reason to accept its authority.

    Still you haven't answered my questions:

    BTW, I'm curious if you also maintain that the Temple Mount is not the site of the Second Jewish Temple that was, by every credible historical account, destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Because I've heard a lot of Islamists try to deny the historical Jewish presence in Jerusalem, the historical validity of the site of the Temple Mount, and even that Jerusalem was a city of Jews going back to King David. Are you also one of these people?

    I guess that since you don't think there were or are Jews, as ludicrous as that sounds, the answers are no. I expect that if Charles Martel had not defeated Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi at the Battle of Tours you'd be talking about how France was always controlled by Arabs going back eight millennia and that the French were really always Muslim.

     

     
    Osama Abdallah said...

    @SgtKOnyx,

    Let me bring this discussion to and end with this simple fact. When the Muslims started their battles with the Romans, the Palestinians and all of the rest of the Northern Arabs were Arab speakers. And when Omar, the 2nd Islamic Caliph, opened Palestine by him personally going to Jerusalem, they were all Arabic speakers, and people were embracing Islam left and right with him. The multitudes were entering Islam from all towns of Palestine, and they were all Arabic speakers.

    GREEK BEING OUR LANGUAGE THERE IS SIMPLY A FALSE CLAIM. 

     

    It was never our first language and never will be. "Our" here includes ALL MIDDLE EASTERNS. Muslims and non-Muslims were never Greek speakers. Greek was inflated and exaggerated by the Christians because of religious bias. Even the countries that have majority Christians DON'T SPEAK GREEK EITHER!

    So much for Greek being a global language. I was never as such. I say all of this with all respect and love to the Greek people. This is not about being against any Greek person.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

      

      

      

    Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the previous Scriptures.

      

    Also Visit:

    What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?

    Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit.

    Jesus' Original Name:

    Prophet Jesus' original name was Isa (eesa) as shown below.  Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is IesusIn Arabic, it is Isa (eesa).  It is literally pronounced as Eesa in Arabic.  There is a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached also in Arabic.  Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine. 

      

    Very strong evidence that Jesus also preached in Arabic:

    See the clear proofs here:

  • Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      

  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
      

  • Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.

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    This entire website in a Capsule:

    1-  Why Islam? [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

    1-  Islam came to restore the Original Faith; the One Divine Religion of GOD Almighty to Mankind, which started with Adam and ended with Muhammad, peace, mercy and blessings be upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty.

  • In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title in the Hebrew & Aramaic Bible's Scriptures.
      
  • Also, proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS [5] from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      
  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic [5], and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
      
      
  • Also, the Bible's Shlam, Shlama (in Aramaic, the "a" at the end is the definite article that is equivalent to the alif and lam "al"), Mashloome, Mushlimana, Mishalmana, Mishlam, and also Witness in Arabic and Aramaic, and Prostration in Arabic and Aramaic are thoroughly discussed in the following text articles: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].  Also the Hebrew Shelem (Selem) (*), which is derived from the root Shalam, is the same as the Glorious Quran's SELM سلم, which is what Islam is also called.  Hebrews pronounce the "s" as "sh", and the "a" as an "o".  So "shalom" is really Salam (peace in Arabic) (*).  Also, the Hebrew Salam (Shalom) is also what Islam is called in the Glorious Quran (سبل السلام) (*).  Scroll below for more from the Glorious Quran.
      
    Also, the following videos give some very important explanations about Islam being the original Religion of GOD Almighty:
      
       
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  • Islam is GOD Almighty's Original Religion to all of mankind and all creations:
      
    1. Islam is called "Islam", "Selm", and "Salam" in the Glorious Quran:
        
      1. "The Religion before God is Islam (الاسلام submission to His Will)...." (The Noble Quran, 3:19).
          
      2. "O ye who believe! Enter into Islam (في السلم into the Selm (another name for Islam)) whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy." (The Noble Quran, 2:208).
          
      3. "Wherewith God guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety (سبل السلام Islam here is called the way of peace and safety), and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight." (The Noble Quran, 5:16).

        "But God doth call to the Home of Peace (
        دار السلام Islam here is called the House of Peace): He doth guide whom He pleaseth to a way that is straight." (The Noble Quran, 10:25).
          
    2. Islam is GOD Almighty's Religion to all of His creations.  It means submitting yourself to Allah Almighty, and to be at Peace with Allah Almighty.
        
    3. For ample more Noble Verses and proofs, please visit:
        
      What is the Wisdom of Islam?  And how will Allah Almighty Judge both Muslims and non-Muslims?
      What is the best way to convert a non-Muslim to Islam? 
      The Blessed Jesus peace be upon him and Place of Jews and Christians in Islam.

      
      

  • Islam's Practices are 100% supported in the Bible:
      
    1. Circumambulation (tawaaf) 7 times around the Kaaba is also by the exact number in the Bible.
    2. Prostrating to GOD Almighty in the direction of His Holy Temple was done by all of the Prophets, including Jesus.
    3. Also, the Bible's fasting is to not eat and drink, like Islam:
        

      Luke5:33 They said to him, "John's disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking."
        
      Matthew 6:16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."
        
        
  • Prophet Muhammad in the Bible and Old Scriptures [1]:
      
  • First, I'd like to ask you to keep the following verses in mind: 
       
    1. Jeremiah 51:33  Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and the time of her harvest shall come. [2]
    2. Jeremiah 31:31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
    3. Isaiah 41:8-13GOD Almighty assures the House of Jacob that they are still loved and chosen by GOD Almighty.  Do not be afraid (of this Servant).”  Never was this said to an Israelite Prophet.  THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF JACOB were commanded to not be afraid of him, because he will be a NON-ISRAELITE Prophet.
        
    4. Book of Revelation:  The Glory of GOD will come from the EAST, the New Covenant will come from Arabia, the New Servant will ride the WHITE HORSE (that's Prophet Muhammad when he rode his White Horse Buraq or Barack), and the New Song (Revelation) will come from Arabia, and that is the Glorious Quran.  See the ample quotes here.
        
    5. Isaiah 41 and 42:6, 42:10-13  The Arabian Prophet will come from the people of Kedar with The New Covenant Read more...
        
      
  • Proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      
  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
      
  • Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.  Did the early Christians in Rome and Antioch and other places learn about the coming of Prophet Muhammad?  Yes they did.  It's in the Bible's NT too.
      
  • Circumambulation (tawaaf) 7 times around the Kaaba is also by the exact number in the Bible.  The Kaaba and pilgrimage to Mecca were also prophesied in the Bible.  Also, there is possible proof that Prophet Muhammad's name found in the Hebrew of John 18:37-38 [2].
      
  • Also visit: The path to Mecca is called the "Path of Holiness" in the Bible.
  • The House of GOD Almighty will be established in the Desert of Kedar.
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    2. With this in mind, please now go through the following links:

      
    I also demonstrated [1] [2] [3] how Prophet Muhammad was Prophesied in the Bible [1] [2] [3], and how he is the Final and Special Prophet that was going to be sent to all of mankind, according to the Bible itself. The Bible in the Old and New Testaments made DIRECT Prophecies about: 
       

    1. The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).
    2. The Prophet who will come from "Arabia".
    3. The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman".  Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15.
    4. The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar".
    5. The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar.
    6. The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".
    7. "Arabia will rejoice and blossom".
    8. The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman.
    9. The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".
    10. The Prophet who is "like Moses".  Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws.  There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on.
    11. Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43).  Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews.  Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews.  Read more [1] [2]...
        
      -  By the way, the "Kingdom of God" here means
      THE COVENANT & RELIGION OF GOD on earth to the new nation.
        
      Also, "(GOD's) burden shall be upon Arabia" (Isaiah 21:13) [1] [2], means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible [1] [2]:
        
        
        
      Jesus Christ returning FROM THE ARAB MUSLIMS in Syria:
        
      The Bible also supports Islam's claim about Jesus Christ returning FROM THE ARAB MUSLIMS in Syria.  Also, more details and proofs on this further below:
        
      Matthew 24:25-27
      25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
      26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
      27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
        
      A
      lso in the Bible, there are many passages in the OT that literally say "THE GLORY OF GOD SHALL COME FROM THE EAST".  Also, the book of Jeremiah says "Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and the time of her harvest shall come".
        
      And also in the book of Isaiah, we read "THE BURDEN SHALL BE PLACED UPON ARABIA" (Isaiah 21:13) [1] [2], which means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible [1] [2]. 
        
      More details and proofs on this
      further below...
        
        
        
      The Awaited Prophet and Awaited Messiah:
        
      John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.
      John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.
           
      -  Here are two captured images of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
        
          
         Click to expand.
        
      So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly
      TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.
        
        
      1-  The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:

      Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

    12. Does the NT say Jesus is THE PROPHET? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.  Also, looking closer at Stephen's prediction.
    13. Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

        

      John 1:19-21
      John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
      19 Here is the ·truth
      John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the ·leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term “Jews” to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent ·priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:24–32] to ask him, “Who are you?

      20 John ·spoke freely [confessed] and did not ·refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, “I am not the ·Christ [Messiah].
      21
      So they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 17—2 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:5–6.]

      He answered, “No, I am not.”

      Are you the Prophet?” [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:15–19] they asked.
      He answered, “
      No.

        
      John 7:40-44
      The People Argue About Jesus
      40 When the people heard Jesus’ words, some of them said, “
      This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the “prophet like Moses” of Deut. 18:15–18].”
      41
      Others said, “He is the ·Christ [Messiah].” Still others said, “The ·Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

      42 The Scripture says that the ·
      Christ [Messiah] will come from David’s ·family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:12–16; Ps. 89:3–4; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the ·town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].”
      43 So ·the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
      44 Some of them wanted to ·arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to ·touch [L lay a hand on] him.

      Again, here are two captured images of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
        
          
         Click to expand.

      For a thorough proof that Islam is the Divine Truth, and trinity is a man-made falsehood, please visit:

    14. What is the best way to convert a non-Muslim to Islam?
    15. This website's main sections.
        
    16. Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.
        
      Does the NT say Jesus is THE PROPHET? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.  Also, looking closer at Stephen's prediction.
    17.   

      2-  An Arabian Prophet was expected by the Jews of Arabia:

      1. From some of the Muslim sources, see the following references:
          
        "Bring forward the most learned among you before me."  When that man came forward, he and Muhammad spoke in private.  Finally Muhammad asked him, "Do you know that I am the Apostle of Allah?"  The rabbi answered, "By Allah! Yes, and the people know what I know.  Verily your attributes and qualities are clearly mentioned in the Torah, but they are jealous of you."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 188)
          
        "...and he is the Prophet of these people; he is an Arab and the Jews are jealous of him wishing that he should have been an Israelite..."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 177)
          
        1. Also, see the other great Arabian Prophets in the Bible.
        2. Jesus will return from Arabia in Matthew 24:25-27.

          
        Other sources:
        History of Muhammad Ibn Is'haq, page 80.
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 250.
        The Glorious Quran: 6:20, 7:157, 2:109, 2:90.
          

        (Click to play video)
          

      2. Scroll further down to see Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name clearly found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in both text and image.

        

      3-  Jesus will return as an Arab, not as an Israeli (or Israelite):

      1. Again, the Bible declares in Matthew 24:25-27 that Jesus will return as an Arab, not a Jew:
          
        Matthew 24:25-27
        25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
        26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
        27 For as lightning that comes
        from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
          
        The Bible, throughout its books, has thoroughly defined the "East" to be the Arabs: [1] [2] [3].
          
      2. Not only that, but the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls also predicted the coming of Prophet Ahmed from the east.  Ahmed is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.
          
      3. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus Christ will return from Damascus.
          
      4. So why won't Jesus Christ return as a Jew from Israel?  See the Islamic Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ).
          
      5. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


          
          

      6. The following debate thoroughly demonstrates that ISIS is not Islamic, and that it was made by the zionists to pave the way for the "Another 9/11":



        IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
        Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
        Saturday 12/06/2014

        The Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

          

      7. Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

        
        
        

    18. The Prophet who will bring the "Message of Peace" to mankind.  Islam means being at Peace with GOD Almighty and Submitting in Peace to Him, the Almighty.
    19. The Prophet who is the "Light of the Gentiles".
    20. "Let the WORLD have a new heart (fresh start)!"
    21. The House of GOD will be "built in the desert" (the Kaaba in Mecca). The path of the desert will be called "the Path of Holiness". And the Prophet will lead 10,000 Saints to liberate it. Perfectly fulfilled in Islam!
    22. After John the Baptist, two were expected to come: (1) The Prophet, and (2) the Messiah.
    23. Also, Prophet Muhammad's prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed. [1] [2]
        
      Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:


      (Click to play film)

      You can also read this 195-page PDF file [2] [3] in Arabic.  I am currently working on translating all of it into English.  It will be available soon, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

      Prophet Muhammad's prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed:

      "And when Jesus the Son of Mary said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you, confirming the law which was delivered before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, and whose name shall be Ahmed. And when he produced unto them evident miracles, they said, this is manifest sorcery.  (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"

      Prophet Jesus here has shed the light on the old Prophecy of the coming Prophet, Ahmed.  So Ahmed was prophesied before Christ and also during Christ's lifetime.

      This film was also taken from this Youtube Channel.  As the author of the video said, look at the Aramaic alphabets in the Wikipedia link given, below.  See how Hhet and Tav are written.  They look very similar.  See also how the Dalet and Khaf are written, and how they're similar.  Now create your own "AHMAD" and "ETMAK" from these alphabets.  Now, compare the two words, and see how similar they look.  Compare the two words with the DSS by ignoring the vowels and accent ending.  Which word look similar?  Now read the whole chapter of Isaiah 42.  And even if the DSS was not tampered with, was it written wrongly as the letters are very similar?  The error could have gone back even before the DSS was written.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_alphabet
      http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

      Manuscript
      http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-35.htm
      http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:3

      Again, you can also read this 195-page PDF file [2] [3] in Arabic.  I am currently working on translating all of it into English.  It will be available soon, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

        

      The "Light of the Gentiles" Prophet:

      Also on the title of the Arabian Prophet being the "Light of the Gentiles", we see that this title was given to him numerous times in both the Bible's Scriptures and the Dead Sea Scrolls.  And this shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone, since truly the Gentiles of the Old Scriptures are the Muslims after Islam came to restore GOD Almighty's Original Faith.  So the Light that the Gentiles were going to receive was Islam; GOD Almighty's One and Original and Final and True Faith to all of mankind.

      The following image will shed more Truth on who the real Gentiles are, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  They are all in the Muslim lands today, and they are the Muslims:
        

      (Click to enlarge)

      You can watch my debate for detailed demonstration and proofs:
        

      Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


      Anthony Rogers

      VS


      Osama Abdallah

        


      Also, Christians in the Glorious Quran: 

      1. The Christians are the least disliked by GOD Almighty from among the disbelievers: Noble Verse 3:55.  Out of all disbelievers, Muslims will find the Christians to be full of love and mercy: 5:82.
          
      2.  فوق in 3:55, below in the article, means to put them above, or to make them better in status.
          
      3. Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 30:1-5 promised to make the Romans be victorious, because they were Christians.  But they still believe in conjecture: 4:157, 53:28, and they are among the misguided and those who went astray 1:7.  They're also crooked in their beliefs: 3:99, 7:45.
          
      4. Many of the Christians doubt trinity; a word that doesn't exist in the Bible!  Those Christians are closest to Islam, as long as they don't speak ill of Islam.  The same with the Jews who don't speak ill of the Prophets that came after such as Jesus and Muhammad: 3:113-114.

        For ample more proofs and Noble Verses, read the article below, and also please visit:

        www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_followers_prophecy.htm
        www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
        www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm

      
      
      

  • More on Jesus will return as an Arab, not as an Israeli (or Israelite):
      
    1. Again, the Bible declares in Matthew 24:25-27 that Jesus will return as an Arab, not a Jew:
        
      Matthew 24:25-27
      25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
      26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
      27 For as lightning that comes
      from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
        
      The Bible, throughout its books, has thoroughly defined the "East" to be the Arabs: [1] [2] [3].
        
    2. Not only that, but the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls also predicted the coming of Prophet Ahmed from the east.  Ahmed is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.
        
    3. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus Christ will return from Damascus.
        
    4. So why won't Jesus Christ return as a Jew from Israel?  See the Islamic Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ):
        
        

      See also:  The Islamic Prophecies section.

        

        

      Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil!  (Islamic Prophecy)

      The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power.  They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  See Noble Verses 17:4-8:

    5. http://www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm

    6. Also, Israel will be annihilated by all people of non-Muslims and Muslims according to the Glorious Quran's Prophecy.

    7. The Jews' financial domination and the Stock Market (control of the earth's wealth) are STUNNINGLY prophesied in the Glorious Quran!

    8. http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5943.html#msg5943     (backup)

    9. http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5950.html#msg5950     (backup)

    10. http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

    11. http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    12.   

      Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world:

      Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

      Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him.  Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors.  The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed.  This is both literal and metaphoric.  It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images.  The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty.  There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4).  In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity.  And that false deity is not Allah Almighty.  For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.

      Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?  I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was never prophesied in the Bible to be ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in the Bible to any being.

    13. I also showed how Jesus Christ, from among many other verses, used this "right eye" expression.  So it was never a Sign about the dajjal before Islam.  It was no more than a general language of the Bible.
        
    14. The Bible in many verses uses "right hand" and "right eye" expressions for people and for GOD Almighty.
        
    15. None of these are Signs to anything.
    16. For ample Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs, please visit:

    17. The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
        

    18. Also visit: 9/11 was 100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!

    19. Many references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our Islamic Texts.  This is one of the most popular Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  And indeed, we are seeing it come to pass before our very eyes.  Please also visit:

    20. The hijacked Bible.
        

    21. Listen also to Jeremiah 18:1-10!
        

    22. The 666 symbol is actually referring to today's neo-con Christianity and Zionism!  See the clear-cut proofs and images here.
        

    23. Also see the sub-section: The Israeli 666 symbol.
        

    24. Does the Bible predict the dividing of Israel?  Who are the nations that divided Israel?  And what will be their punishment?
        

    25. The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
        

    26. Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?
        

    27. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


        
        

    28. The following debate thoroughly demonstrates that ISIS is not Islamic, and that it was made by the zionists to pave the way for the "Another 9/11":



      IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
      Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
      Saturday 12/06/2014

      The Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

        

    29. Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

      
      
      
  • Also "Shalom" or Shalam, which means "Peace" in Hebrew, implies "GOD's Peace be upon you" is also derived from the root Word, Islam.  GOD Almighty's Eternal Peace and us submitting to Him and to His Divine Will in Peace, is also what His Divine Religion is.  Islam is the Original Faith.
      
  • Again, Hebrews used to pronounce the "s" as "sh".  They also pronounced the "a" as a thick "a".  So Shalom is really Salam, which means "Peace" in Arabic, and implies GOD Almighty's Peace in Islam.
      
  • Jews and Christians are much closer to Original Islam than the others [1] [2] [3].  This is one of the reasons why they're also called "People of the Book".  But they're expected to follow the Original Islam, and to know that the One Faith of GOD Almighty is Islam:
      
    "Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!   Come to common terms as between us and you:  That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.'  If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).'  (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
      
  • So for a Jew and Christian, it should be much easier to convert to Islam, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  And of course, Islam was sent for all of mankind, and thus, we should all work on spreading Islam to mankind, in peace, wisdom, love and harmony:
      
    "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.  (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

    For ample more Noble Verses, please visit:
  • What is the Wisdom of Islam?
      
  • What is the place of Jesus, Christians, Jews and non-Muslims in Islam?
      
  • 2-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

    3-  Did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ never died on the cross, according to Islam and also according to the Bible?

    4-  Did you know that according to the Bible, Christ rested in the cave (tomb) on the floor for 3 days receiving medical care from Mary Magdalene and others?  And that he rose and left after he healed?

         

    5-  Did you know that the Bible's "Rose from the Dead" had always been metaphorical and never literal? 

  • Example: Hebrews 11:19
    19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death
    (Isaac wasn't physically dead).
  • 6-  Did you know that Islam came to restore the Original Faith and to fix the corruption?  The Arabs were fresh, and had no previous corrupt scriptures, and they were ready for a Prophet.

    For ample proofs, quotes and references from the Bible for all of this, please visit: Why should I convert to Islam?
      
      


    2-  The Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles!

    Some very STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

    Here are some of my favorite Stunning Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran from among the tens (10s) that are listed in this section:

    1-  Here is one stunning Numerical Miracle, from the 10s below, for you:

    The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

    1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
    2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

    See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      

    2-  The Great Miracle.  Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2].  See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle.  Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people. 

    Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]!  You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links.  Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran.  Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections.  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    3-  19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle.  The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task.  Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    4-  Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].

    For example:

    1-  The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.
      
    "When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (
    وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
      

      
      

    Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is:

    1- Spherical.
    2- Suspended in Space.
    3- Rotating around itself.
    4- Is traveling in Space.

    This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following video file:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
      

      
    There are many STUNNING Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran that testify to the Divinity of the Glorious Quran.  The following are small examples from many tens (10s) of Miracles:

    1-  Did you know that the Glorious Quran declares that the earth is:

  • Spherical.
  • Suspended in Space.
  • Traveling in Space.
  • Revolves around itself, or its own axle?
      
  • Also, all celestial bodies are يعرجون Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits [2] [3] [4] [5]) in space.  This video is about Noble Verses 32:5, 34:2, 57:4, 70:3-4 and others, and the Arabic words عرج , عروج , معارج  and  معراج  that all refer to "going in an orbital and curvy path" in the Glorious Quran and our Islamic Texts.
      
      
    A STUNNING Hadith [1] [2] [3] [4] from Prophet Muhammad regarding the rising and setting POINTS:


      
    Question:

    Did Prophet Muhammad know think that the earth was spherical or flat?

    Answer:

    In this Hadith, above, he certainly seems to have known this fact very well.  And this Hadith is even older than Sahih Bukhari.  It is important to know that Imam Bukhari and others have declared that they have discarded thousands of Hadiths:

    www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html

  • "The two sahih collections did not gather the totality of the authentic ahadith as proved by al-Bukhari's testimony: "I have not included in my book al-Jami` but what is authentic, and I left out among the authentic for fear of [excessive] length."
      

  • "... Bukhari, collected twenty thousand of them, of which he rejected ten thousand, accounting them untrue. Of the remaining ten thousand he accepted only 7,275, declaring the rest to be untrustworthy. Abu Da'ud accepted as authentic only 4,800 rules out 50,000."

  •   
    This is to keep their volumes as simple and manageable as possible.  So it is quite possible that the Prophet spoke about the earth being spherical, and the Glorious Quran certainly did, and
    people just dismissed them as nonsense.  I have covered your question in great details at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm

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    2-  Did you know that the Glorious Quran has 1000s (thousands) of Numerical Notions that have yet to be fully made clear to us?  For example, here is just one Numerical Miracle from among hundreds that were already discovered:

  • The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.
      
     1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
     2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.
      
  • See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      
  • Dr. Zaghloul Al-najjar has proven the Speed of Light in the Glorious Quran: Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.
      
    1. Speed of Light detailed article.
        
  • The Great Miracle, Part 2, Episode 10, by the Engineer Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي.  Translated to English by Osama Abdallah (me).  Allah Almighty Said that the Number 19 Sign is "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) in the Noble Quran [1] [2]. This Miracle is thoroughly examined throughout this 30-Episode TV Program.  I am going to have it all translated into English in both Audio and Video, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  I will also translate the 653-page book that gave 100s of examples from the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles:
      

      
    Episodes of Program in Video: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
    Episodes of Program in Audio: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
      
      
    Note:  A brief QA sessions [2].  This is not a deviant pro Rashad Khalifa website!  The Miracle is based on 100% of the Glorious Quran, and the article below is based on the work of brother, who is also a Civil Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي .  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      

      

    The Great Miracle of Number 19 is thoroughly demonstrated:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    The scanned images that demonstrate the STUNNING Numerical Miracles of these Noble Verses, based on the newly discovered Numerical Law from Surat Nuh in the Glorious Quran, and 1000s others are listed below.

      

    All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.  First of all, Allah Almighty said in the Holy Quran that the Number 19 Miracle is "One of the Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Click this sub-section in this article for the text and details about the Noble Verses.  In the scanned images below, you will not only see that Noble Verses 74:30-37 are in perfect match with the Number 19 Miracle (2185 is their total numerical value and it is equal to 19 X 115) [1], but they're also in perfect match with the Glorious Quran's "Key Noble Verse", the Basmala, in both its total Numerical value, 115, and total number of Letters, which are 19 Letters.  See the scanned images, again, with 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article, listed below:

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0134.jpg

  • Sections:
    -  More elaboration and proofs in the next section.
    -  Also, more images for other examples below.
      
  • The Quranic Law, which is thoroughly defined in the Glorious Quran, that differentiates between a "written letter" (also known as a "drawn letter") and a letter that is only a vowel, and defines the numerical value (see table) of the written letter, this Quranic Law is thoroughly laid out in Noble Chapter 71.  The Chapter is called Surat Nuh.  Nuh is Prophet Noah, peace be upon him.  Allah Almighty used this Noble Surah to determine what is a drawn letter and what is a vowel in all Noble Verses throughout the Glorious Quran.  Only the written letters have numerical values.  Vowels don't have numerical values.  See the following images.

    Also, Allah Almighty Said in this Noble Surah, Surah 71, that Prophet Nuh (Noah) lived for 950 years among his people.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters!  Once we counted the drawn letters only, we found them to be exactly 950 letters.  You can see this in the scanned images that I produced with my own hand-written verification for each Noble Letter:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0053.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0054.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0055.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0056.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0057.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0058.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0059.jpg

    The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0268.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0269.jpg
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0272.jpg
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0274.jpg
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0278.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0279.jpg
      
      
    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
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    19 X 19:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0237.jpg

    Taking this standard for determining which is an actual written/drawn letter and which is only a vowel from all of the Glorious Quran's characters, and applying it to the entire Quran, we found literally THOUSANDS OF STUNNING EXAMPLES AND PATTERNS [1] and Miracles.  And building a numerical table that gives numerical values to the Drawn Letters from most occurring to the least (value 1 given to the most occurring drawn letter, value 2 given to the second most occurring one, and so on....), and applying these numerical values to calculate the numerical value of the Glorious Quran's Drawn Letters and Words, we found thousands of stunning numerical results [1].  And the Number 19 Miracle and the BASMALA and Noble Verses 74:30-37 give you an amazing demonstration of this Divine Miracle [1] [2] [3].

    The following points will clearly explain and demonstrate this Divine Miracle:

      
    1-  Allah Almighty has designed the Holy Quran's Text to be written in a certain complex form, and with great consistency throughout the Holy Quran's 114 Chapters, which are made of 6236 Noble Verses.  The following table shows each Noble Quran Letter's numerical value:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    Also, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

    Number of Years = Number of Letters:

    There is nothing random about the Glorious Quran's Words and their Letters.  As it is thoroughly demonstrated in the scanned images, when we for example see that Noble Surah (Chapter) Nuh (Noah) is written in exactly 950 Noble Letters [1], and Allah Almighty Said that Prophet Nuh lived among his people for 950 years in the same Noble Surah, then there is nothing random about this one.

    Not only that, but there are many other Numerical patterns discovered in the Glorious Quran that are linked to the number of years.  For example, Allah Almighty's two Divine Promises to the people of Israel's destruction were both combined written in 75 Words, and each Promise was written in 75 letters.  And the two sets of Noble Verses for the two Promises are after each others in the same Noble Surah 17:4-8.  So the first set of Noble Verses that speak about the first Promise, which already took place, were written in 75 Letters, and the second set of Noble Verses that speak about the future destruction were written also in 75 Letters:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0115.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0116.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0117.jpg

    Brother Adnan raised the following questions:

  • Could these Noble Verses be referring to the second destruction of Israel in 75 years after its establishment?
  • And if so, then would they be 75 years after 1948 or 1967?
  • Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  We are currently living some of ISLAM'S STUNNING PROPHECIES about Israel, the zionist machine, and their evil that is being spread throughout earth as exactly prophesied in the Glorious Quran:

    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    See also Daniel Prophecies about Israel and its map [2].  Daniel 11:45: "(the evil one) will establish his settlement between Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the Mediterranean sea.  Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."  That is precisely Israel today!

      

    Similarly, when we look into the number 19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called it "One of the  Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37, and we find out that It is indeed a MIGHTY MIRACLE, then there is nothing random about it either.  What brother Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي did was he took the Arabic drawn alphabets, that are not vowels, and calculated how many times each letter occurred in the Glorious Quran, since the Glorious Quran's Letters are Miraculous, and there is nothing random about them as we've seen in the few examples above, and also in many more like them [1].  See images below.  Brother Adnan then built a numerical table where the highest occurring letter would have the value 1, and the second highest would carry the value 2, and so on.  He then started calculating the numerical values of the Noble Letters in the Glorious Quran and came up with these mighty discoveries.  Again, the table's link is:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    This table in the link has more elaboration in it than the one brother, who also used to be an Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book on page 140, which is page 136 in the PDF file (If you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    And again, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

      

    The Number 19 Miracle:

    This Noble Miracle is not about bringing random numerical combinations' values and show that they're equal to other certain combinations.  Some tried to belittle this Noble Divine Miracle by bringing random combinations and said that they matched certain phrases in the Glorious Quran.  For example:

    "America is Great" "Allah is Great" Therefore, America is Divine?
    "Satan is evil" "Jesus is evil" Therefore, Jesus is evil?
    "Satan is good" "Muhammad is good" Therefore, satan is good?
    "Jesus" "Satanic" Therefore, Jesus is satanic?
    "Abraham" "GOD is One" Therefore, Abraham is GOD?
    "Prophets" "Prostitutes" Therefore, all Prophets were prostitutes?
    "Mary" "Liar" Therefore, Mary was a liar?
    "Moses" "Satanist" Therefore, Moses was a satanist?
    "GOD is Love" "Satan loves you" Therefore, GOD is satan?
    "GOD is Light" "Satan's darkness" Therefore, satan and GOD are both the same Light?
  • These are just hypothetical examples.  The values may not match.  But you get the point.  You could come up with any phrase that numerically has the same value as another phrase and claim that they have the same meaning.
      
  • But this is not how the Miracle works!  The way it works, with already 1,000s of confirmed examples [2 (fonts)], is as follows:

    The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things), in the Holy Quran, that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.  Thousands of examples [1] [2] already demonstrated this.  And Noble Verses 74:30-37, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, and in them Allah Almighty Said about this Noble Miracle that it is "One of the Greatest Ones" (74:35), are thoroughly demonstrated in the following images and tables. 
      
    Again, the following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly
    2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0134.jpg

  • More images for other examples below.
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    In the following Noble Verses 74:30-37, notice the following important points:

    1. Allah Almighty mentioned, in Noble Verses 74:30-37, that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
        
      (a)-  As a trial to the disbelievers.
      (b)-  To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
      (c)-  To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
      (d)-  Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!
        

    2. And once again, GOD Almighty made the number 19 be the Noble Quran's Main Numerical Miracle.  He called it: "One of the Greatest Ones" in Chapter 74:35.

      

    Let's all read Noble Verses 74:30-37, and look at its scanned images:

    Read the Noble Verses for yourself to clearly see the points that I mentioned above:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

      

    The scanned images  are below the following table.  Let us see the Noble Verses in English and Arabic:

    Noble Verse(s) 74:30-74:37
    Yusuf Ali:

    [074:030] Over it are Nineteen  عليها تسعة عشر.

    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.

    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,

    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,

    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-

    [074:035] This is but one of the MIGHTY (portents) MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.

    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-

    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    Arabic (from right to left):

    Original Quran-Arabic:








    Limited Arabic for internet browsers:

    74:30
     عليها تسعة عشر

    74:31 وماجعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملائكة وماجعلنا عدتهم الا فتنة للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتاب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمانا ولايرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتاب والمؤمنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكافرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشاء ويهدي من يشاء ومايعلم جنود ربك الا هو وماهي الا ذكرى للبشر

    74:32 كلا والقمر

    74:33 والليل اذ ادبر

    74:34 والصبح اذا اسفر

    74:35 انها لاحدى الكبر

    74:36 نذيرا للبشر

    74:37 لمن شاء منكم ان يتقدم او يتاخر

      

    2-  The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0236.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0237.jpg

      

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0270.jpg
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

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    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
  •   
    There are many other examples that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book (Again, if you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    Furthermore, the total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task:

    The following links are the original images from the PDF book of Noble Verses 74:30-37 and the Basmala.  Also, the link to the PDF book is in the following as well:

    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_original.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_basmala_is_quran_key.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0134.jpg

    Again, the Holy Quran's Law that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي discovered is as follows:

    (a)-  The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things) of the Holy Quran that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.

    (b)-  You can also watch The Great Miracle, Part 2, Episode 10, by the Engineer Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي.  Translated to English by Osama Abdallah (me).

    Episodes of Program in Video: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
    Episodes of Program in Audio: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...

    Allah Almighty Said that the Number 19 Sign is "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) in the Noble Quran. This Miracle is thoroughly examined throughout this TV Program.

    You can download this video, and all of the videos that are available on my website at: www.answering-christianity.com/free_downloads.htm.

      

    3-  Again, to clearly and thoroughly see the Number 19 Divine Miracle of the Holy Quran, you can see the 100s of images that I scanned and processed from Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي book, which is 653 pages long at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    I only processed 1/3 of the book so far.  But the examples that I provided give thorough demonstration and ample examples that demonstrate this Great Divine Miracle from the Glorious Quran.

      

    4-  Furthermore, Allah Almighty Promised and took it upon Himself to Perfectly Preserve the Holy Quran in both:

    (a)-  Text documentation and compilation.
    (b)-  Reading and Noble Words and Letters pronunciations.

    This is because the Holy Quran that we have here on earth is a copy of the One that is in the "Preserved Divine Tablet".  To see the ample Noble Verses that clearly prove this, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

      

    The following is from: www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    Also visit these posts with very important images and points:

      
    1-  Thorough studies on the Quran's Compilation by the "Islamic Awareness" website:

  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
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    2-  The Sana Manuscripts lie:

  • Islamic Awareness' research.
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm  (A very good response by brother Karim)
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1542.msg6030.html#msg6030  Sana is 677.4 miles away from Mecca!
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    3-  The Divine Miracle of the Quran's Text and Compilation:

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5825.html#msg5825
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5856.html#msg5856
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.0.html
  • Dr. Munir Munshey's [2] Quran Translation document.
  • 100% guarantee that the Quran is from GOD Almighty.
  • The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran.  Here is one little sample from just the Numerical Miracles alone:
      
      
  • The Divine Promise and Miracle of the Glorious Quran's Preservation in Text and Pronunciation:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran regarding preserving the Holy Quran's Text and Pronunciation the following:

    Noble Verse(s) 15:9
    Yusuf Ali:

    [015:009]  We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

    Arabic (from right to left):

    Original Quran-Arabic:

    Limited Arabic for internet browsers:

    15:9 انا نحن نزلنا الذكر وانا له لحافظون

      

    Noble Verse(s) 41:42
    Yusuf Ali:

    [041:042]  No falsehood can approach it (the Quran) from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.

    Arabic (from right to left):

    41:42 لاياتيه الباطل من بين يديه ولامن خلفه تنزيل من حكيم حميد

      

    Noble Verse(s) 75:16-75:19
    Sher Ali:

    [075:016]  Move not thy tongue, O Prophet, with the revelation of the Qur'an that thou mayest hasten to preserve it.

    [075:017]  Surely, upon US rests its collection and its recital.

    [075:018]  So when WE recite it, then follow thou its recital.

    [075:019]  Then upon US rests the expounding thereof.

    Arabic (from right to left):




    75:16 لاتحرك به لسانك لتعجل به

    75:17 ان علينا جمعه وقرانه

    75:18 فاذا قراناه فاتبع قرانه

    75:19 ثم ان علينا بيانه

    The Noble Verses above give Divine Promise from Allah Almighty:

    1-  To send down the Holy Quran to mankind.

    2-  To protect the Holy Quran from all corruption.

    3-  To preserve the way the Holy Quran's recitation.

         (i)-  Prophet Muhammad was trained by Angel Gabriel on how to recite the Holy Quran.

         (ii)- The Prophet was further instructed to not be careless with his tongue when he recites that Holy Quran.

         (iii)- The Prophet was also instructed to not be haste when it comes to reading the Holy Quran.  He should read it with extreme care.

    Important Note:  The Sunni Muslims, who make up more than 90% of all Muslims, today have perfected the recitation of the Holy Quran.  We have yearly tournaments with big prizes on who memorizes the Holy Quran the best, not just in Holy Words, but also in the pronunciation of the Holy Words.

    4-  To make the Holy Quran clear and an official Book for all Muslims.  Noble Verse 75:19 "ثم ان علينا بيانه" literally translates as "It is Upon Us to manifest it, make it clear, make it known.

          (i)-  The Arabic Word بيانه is derived from بيان , which literally means:

               1.  statement
               2.  declaration
               3.  proclamation
               4.  report
               5.  representation
               6.  notice
               7.  notification
               8.  list
               9.  pronouncement
               10.  list
               11.  bulletin
               12.  handout
               13.  program

    When a government official, such as the president or any senior person makes an official statement, he sends out a بيان bayan.  Clearly, this Divine Promise by Allah Almighty had come true.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Him, Alone!  The Holy Quran today is indeed perfectly preserved in both text and pronunciation No religious scripture on the face of this earth has this.  For ample more proofs, please see this discussion on this website's blog: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1116.msg3760.html#msg3760.

    Furthermore, the actual text of the Glorious Quran is a Miracle by Itself.  The variations in the spelling of certain Words, and the fact that their Numerical Values match, and their total is a multiple of the #19 without remainders, testifies to the Glorious Quran's Great #19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called it: "One of the Greatest Ones (Miracles)" (74:35).

      

    5-  Also, when Allah Almighty set the number 19 as a Law for the Universe and the Holy Quran, then this is something that humans should thoroughly investigate here on earth and in space:

  • Spherical Geometry, the number 19 Miracle, the Inner-Nature of the Planets' System, and the Universe's function.  The Glorious Quran Says that Number 19 is لاحدى الكبر "One of the Great Ones (i.e., Miracles)".

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    6-  And once again, here are other STUNNING Miracles:

    Some very STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

    Here are some of my favorite Stunning Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran from among the tens (10s) that are listed in this section:

    1-  Here is one stunning Numerical Miracle, from the 10s below, for you:

    The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

    1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
    2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

    See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      

    2-  The Great Miracle.  Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2].  See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle.  Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people. 

    Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]!  You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links.  Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran.  Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections.  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    3-  19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle.  The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task.  Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    4-  Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].

    For example:

    1-  The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.
      
    "When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (
    وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
      

      
      

    Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is:

    1- Spherical.
    2- Suspended in Space.
    3- Rotating around itself.
    4- Is traveling in Space.

    This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following video file:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
      

      

    Some of the other Numerical Miracles: [1]

    Dr. Zaghloul Al-najjar has proven the Speed of Light in the Glorious Quran: Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.

    1. Speed of Light detailed article.
        

    Moon is mentioned 28 times in the Noble Quran, exactly as the number of times and phases it appears to earth!

    The Lunar Calendar is the most accurate calendar - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.  Also the precise calculation of difference between the Gregorian and Lunar calendars is demonstrated in the Noble Quran.

    "Day" occurs 365 times, and "month" occurs 12 times in the Glorious Quran!  I personally counted them and listed them in this article!

    Adam and Jesus have the same occurrences in the Noble Quran.

    Iron's atomic number is perfectly mentioned in the Holy Quran.

    The land-sea ratio Miracle - Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and confirmed by Science!  I personally calculated the occurrences of the Words in the Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran.

    Did Prophet Muhammad say that the human body is made up of 360 joints?

    Was Adam 90 feet tall?  See how Science suggests that Prophet Muhammad's Hadith is Scientifically True, and it also thoroughly confirms the Glorious Quran's Claims about earth's ancient size, and how it kept on expanding.

      

    Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].
      

      

    7-  The detailed sections in "The Scientific and Numerical Miracles" section: [1]

    The sub sections here are:  (Click on any of the numbers to go to section)

    1-  Life, Origins of life from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
    2- 
    The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
    3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
    4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth.

    5-  The STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious QuranWith 1,000s of examples!

    6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals.
    7-  Psychology.
    8-  Archeology and History.
    9-  Great Web Sites and Online Books.  More great resources and web site are available online.

    10-  Rebuttals.
    11-  General articles, videos and audios.

    12-  STUNNING Prophecies.
    13-  Audios and Videos of of the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
    14-  Other.

    And last and not least, indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles!  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.


     

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    3-  My Main Debates:

    (To download, right click on any of the images, and click "Save Link As" or "Save Target As")

    The Debates and Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.
      

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    Also visit: Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the previous Scriptures.  Also, his Prophetic Name, AHMED or AHMAD, was both mentioned in the Glorious Quran and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS.  Yes, his name was recently found in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS as the coming Servant.  See the image for yourself.

      

    Is Jesus the GOD-Man?


    Dr. Edward Dalcour

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

    Also visit: Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

    Other important links: [1] [2] [3]

    Also:
    Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
    Jesus said he had no Divine Will.  Jesus had to seek permission from GOD before performing any Miracle.

      

    Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?


    Louis Lionheart

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]
      

      

    Is the Quran a Scientific Miracle?


    David Wood

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

      



    Was Muhammad a True Prophet?
    Osama Abdallah vs C.L. Edwards
    Saturday 12/06/2014



    IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
    Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
    Saturday 12/06/2014

    The debates above could also be viewed on my Youtube Channel respectively at: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6].  Also, the Debates (videos on this site and on Youtube) and Debate-PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

    Note to Muslims:

    As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to.  I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them.  May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into.  Ameen.
      

    The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?" and "What does the Quran Say about the Bible?" To answer these two questions and the many more, visit the debates above.

    For ample proofs, watch the debates above.  I updated them with: 

  • Detailed analysis what the Holy Quran Says about the Bible.
      
  • Detailed analysis on what the Bible says about itself. I used Deuteronomy 4:2 and other verses to prove that Jews and Christians erroneously mix everything together in the Bible and give it the same weight.
      
  • I demonstrated how the Bible is mixed between man-made history and conversations and claims, and Commands from GOD Almighty such as "Thus Said the LORD....". These verses can't all be on the same level of Authority and Holiness.
      
  • Proofs that the Holy Quran doesn't recognized Constantine's canonized "Bible" as GOD Almighty's official Book, and that the "Book" that the Holy Quran refers to is the Law of Moses (the Law that was sent to Moses, peace be upon him).
      
  • I also added clips from Dr. Jamal Badawi, Dr. Shabir Ally, David Wood and other clips to demonstrate what the Holy Quran Says about the Bible, and what the Bible theologians say about the Bible.
      
  • I also showed that the Injil is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and that Gospel, or fragments of Its Law, did exist in Arabia. Not only that, but we also have many of the teachings of Christ documented in the Didachae Gospel and in other Gospels. The Didachae Gospel, which was not canonized by Constantine's committee, is even older than the current Bible's Gospels and Books.
      
  • I also demonstrated how GOD Almighty's Original and One Faith that He sent to mankind was Islam, and how the Believers' titles had always been Muslims.
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    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
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    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

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    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

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    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
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           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

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