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My response to Jochen Katz' "Can there be a son without a consort?" article:

The following article is a rebuttal to Jochen Katz' article that is located at: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/without_consort.html.

 

 

He wrote:

Qur'an Inconsistency

Can there be a son without a consort?

The Qur'an is very emphatic in its rejection of the central Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God. One of the main arguments of the Qur'an against the concept of God having a son is expressed in this passage:

And they make the jinn associates with Allah, while He created them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without knowledge; glory be to Him, and highly exalted is He above what they ascribe (to Him). Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things. S. 6:100-101 Shakir

Clearly, the author of the Qur'an expects the listener to respond to his rhetorical question, How could He have a son when He has no consort?, with the acknowledgement that this is impossible. In other words, the Qur'an claims that it is impossible for Allah to have a son without having a consort and — this is certainly implied — having sex with this consort to produce the son. The Qur'an expects this question, How could He have a son when He has no consort?, to silence those who believe in a son or sons and daughters of God because they will not be able to answer it.

Interestingly, the Quran itself provides the answer to its supposedly unanswerable question. In Sura 19, Mary asks basically the same question when an angel comes to her and announces:

He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. Sura 19:19-21 Pickthall

In other words, Mary asks: How can I have a son when I had no consort? Her question, "How can this be?", receives Allah's answer: This is easy for me! (19:21)

Disregarding modern developments (in vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, etc.), I agree. Until the last century, and in the realm of the natural this was not possible, but for God it was and it remains possible. Actually, according to the Qur'an, it is not only possible, it is easy for God. It is rather ironic that, when discussing the identity of Jesus, the Quran says that Allah cannot have a son without a consort, but Mary can have a son without a consort, because all things are easy for Allah.

The issue of Jesus being the Son of God is one of the essential points of disagreement between Christians and Muslims, between the Bible and the Qur'an. The above two passages already show that the Qur'an is not consistent with itself in its polemic against the Christian faith. Yet, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

S. 6:101 stands not only in tension to S. 19:21, but conflicts with several other passages as well. This self-contradictory quranic argument is discussed in more detail in The Quran's Use of Filial Terms: A Critique of Muslim Arguments against Jesus being the Son of God.

Clearly, when Christians say that Jesus is both the Son of God and the son of Mary, the word "son" is used in two different meanings (cf. the links given below). The problem of the Qur'an is that it mostly restricts the concept of sonship to the biological and sexual. Attacking something that has never been claimed by the opposing party is called a straw man argument, and is a logical fallacy. The main problem with S. 6:101 is not its clash with the formulation of S. 19:21 on a literalistic level. That is an interesting curiosity. Texts need to be taken in their intended meaning. But this is exactly where the Qur'an fails. It does not take the Biblical use of the title "Son of God" in its intended meaning. It does not oppose the Christian faith as it is, but builds up a polemical straw man argument.

If the Qur'an had been from God, would he not have addressed an alleged Christian misconception directly? Would he not have been able to correct and refute actual belief of Christians, instead of attacking something that the Bible never claimed and Christians do not believe? The fact that the Qur'an is using a straw man polemic instead of refuting Christian belief on this issue is a serious problem for its credibility.

Why do Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God? What does it mean? What does the Bible actually teach? These questions are explained in detail in the section, Who is Jesus?, and this article in particular expounds on the biblical revelation regarding Jesus' eternal Sonship: The Eternal Generation of the Son.

A related argument in the Qur'an is that "begetting a son" would contradict the self-sufficiency of God. This is expressed in Sura 10:68 and discussed in this article.

Jochen Katz


MENJ, a Muslim polemicist, has responded to the first part of the above observation. He states:

 

... Responding to banal missionary “logic”

The missionaries in their latest alleged claim of contradictions in the Qur’an have certainly outdid themselves in their travesty of logic and idiocy. To cite the missionary claim, ...

Unfortunately for the missionary, an understanding can be reached if a little more thought can be put into their argument. The missionary has taken the understanding of these verses out of its intended context and is confusing Mary’s nature (since she is only human, and hence procreates) as a creation of the Almighty, with God Himself who is the Uncreated. Certainly, God Almighty could have taken a “wife” and have “children” or have “children” without any consort whatsoever (nau’zubillahi min zaalik). However, if this were to happen, it would mean that the Uncreated nature of God would be affected, as anything that is “procreated” by God (as the Qur’an argues in 6:100) is created. In other words, to expect the Uncreated to “procreate” children, whether with or without a “consort” (which would also be part of Creation) is not only an affront against what God Almighty has told us about Himself, but is also a preposterous position only held by pantheists and the idolators. It is certainly not in conformity with monotheism or how Islam understands divine transcedence. (Source; emphasis original)

I would never have used such strong words, but MENJ calls it banal “logic”, a travesty of logic and even idiocy to take verses or concepts out of their intended context, and to confuse the nature of human beings with the nature of God.

He could hardly have been more correct. The author of the Qur'an does exactly that. He takes the Biblical concept and Messianic title "Son of God" out of its intended context. He does not ask what the Bible means by "Son of God" but instead assumes that it means exactly the same as with human beings, i.e. he confuses the nature of God with the nature of human beings, and then argues against its own confusion, thinking that by doing so, he could refute Christian belief.

What verdict does such reasoning deserve according to this Muslim author? See above!

 

 

My response:

This is a very absurd article indeed!  Yet, Jochen Katz thinks that he scored high in this one.  Very laughable indeed.

The question here is not whether Allah Almighty is able to produce a son without a wife or not.  Able is the key word here.  According to both Islam and the Bible, GOD Almighty can do anything and everything.  He certainly can create a son and assign him to Himself.  But why would GOD Almighty do that?

Having a consort is something that is required for the status of the actual son and children in general.  Adoption is rejected in Islam.  An adopted son is not a biological son and he does not inherit anything from the sponsored "family" that he lived among.  Since GOD Almighty does not have a wife, then it is not suitable for Him to have a son. 

So again, the point here has absolutely nothing to do with GOD Almighty's ability to do things.  It is rather about his Majesty and Divine Status, and what is suitable for Him.  He is the Absolute One who is neither begotten nor did he beget anyone:

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

If He has no wife, then He must not have a son.  If He has no partner, then He has no partner; period.  That's what Noble Verses 6:100-101 above means.

And by the way, this "son of GOD" lie is only your people's blasphemy, inventions and false interpretations.  In the original Hebrew, "son of GOD" literally means "Servant of GOD".   See the proof for yourself.

Also visit: The Bible directly claims that ANY "Son of GOD" is a "God"! (Refutation to Jesus' being God meaning that he is GOD Almighty).

The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.

Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.

"Son of Man" does not mean "GOD" or "Son of GOD".

The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments.    Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel.  These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  None of them is unique.    Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.

 

So what about Jesus?  How come he has no father?

Jesus, like Adam, is a creation from GOD Almighty.  He is also a Word from GOD Almighty, not a recycle of Adam and Eve like us humans.  In other words, both Adam's and Jesus' flesh were not formed by a father's sperm and a mother's egg like us:

"The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.    (The Noble Quran, 3:59)"

"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God;  (The Noble Quran, 3:45)"

The Miracle of Adam's creation is far greater than Jesus', because while Jesus, the Word (part of GOD Almighty's Word), came through a woman to earth, Adam came from nothing, and his wife, Eve, came from his rib; peace be upon all of them.  But both Adam and Jesus were the same in terms of coming to existence.  GOD Almighty Said to them "Be" and they became.  Eve and the rest of humanity have lesser status because Eve came from Adam, and we all are recycles of Adam and Eve through out parents' sperms and eggs.  That is why Allah Almighty Said:

"O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single soul (nafsin wahidatin), created, of like nature, His mate (zawjaha, i.e., Eve), and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for God ever watches over you.  (The Noble Quran, 4:1)"

nafsin is derived from nafs, which means "self" or "soul".

wahidatin is derived from wahid, which means "one".

zawjaha is derived from zawj or zawja which means spouse.  Obviously it is referring to Eve.

That nafs is Adam's, because Eve and the rest of us came from him, while he came from nothing.  He was a Word from GOD Almighty.

Only Adam and Jesus from humanity are from the Word of GOD Almighty.  GOD Almighty directly and personally "spoke them" when He Created them.   I was not spoken by GOD Almighty when I was created, because I am only a recycle.

So Jesus the "Word", is really not the biological son of Mary.  His name or title on earth was "the son of Mary" as Noble Verse 3:45 above states.   But he himself is not really her biological son as we are the sons and daughters of our biological parents, because:

1-  He, Jesus, is higher than Mary.  He was a "Word" from GOD Almighty, while she was not.  She was like us, a recycle.

2-  He had no father because, like Adam, he was directly spoken by GOD Almighty.


At any rate, it is wrong to compare Jesus and Adam, peace be upon them, to GOD Almighty and His Divine Status.  Jesus having no father does not mean a thing when speaking of GOD Almighty Declaring that He has no wife and no son, and that Him having no wife makes it unsuitable for Him to have a son or daughter.

Again, Noble Verses 6:100-101 are not speaking about GOD Almighty ability, but rather about what is appropriate for Him.   All Praise and Glory are due to Him.

 

More elaborations and proofs on the Word of GOD Almighty:


From http://www.answering-christianity.com/founders_rebuttal.htm#jesus_is_word:

2-   Jesus is the Word of GOD Almighty.  That is perfectly agreed upon in Islam:

"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God;  (The Noble Quran, 3:45)"

"She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!   (The Noble Quran, 3:47)"

Before we go any further, please visit the following rebuttals to John 1:1:

  1. Answering John 1:1.

  2. The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

  3. Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel.  These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  None of them is unique.   Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.


Jesus, like Adam, was GOD Almighty's Word in the sense that GOD Almighty Said to him "Be" and he became:

"The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.   (The Noble Quran, 3:59)"

"She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!   (The Noble Quran, 3:47)"

The Miracle of Adam's creation is far greater than Jesus', because while Jesus, the Word (part of GOD Almighty's Word), came through a woman to earth, Adam came from nothing, and his wife, Eve, came from his rib; peace be upon all of them.  But both Adam and Jesus were the same in terms of coming to existence.  GOD Almighty Said to them "Be" and they became.  Eve and the rest of humanity have lesser status because Eve came from Adam, and we all are recycles of Adam and Eve through out parents' sperms and eggs.  That is why Allah Almighty Said:

"O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single soul (nafsin wahidatin), created, of like nature, His mate (zawjaha, i.e., Eve), and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for God ever watches over you.  (The Noble Quran, 4:1)"

nafsin is derived from nafs, which means "self" or "soul".

wahidatin is derived from wahid, which means "one".

zawjaha is derived from zawj or zawja which means spouse.  Obviously it is referring to Eve.

That nafs is Adam's, because Eve and the rest of us came from him, while he came from nothing.  He was a Word from GOD Almighty.

Only Adam and Jesus from humanity are from the Word of GOD Almighty.    GOD Almighty directly and personally "spoke them" when He Created them.   I was not spoken by GOD Almighty when I was created, because I am only a recycle.

So Jesus the "Word", is really not the biological son of Mary.  His name or title on earth was "the son of Mary" as Noble Verse 3:45 above states.     But he himself is not really her biological son as we are the sons and daughters of our biological parents, because:

1-  He, Jesus, is higher than Mary.  He was a "Word" from GOD Almighty, while she was not.  She was like us, a recycle.

2-  He had no father because, like Adam, he was directly spoken by GOD Almighty.


The following articles shed more light on this subject along with the topic of the Holy Spirit and Its role in Islam:

  1. What is the role of the Holy Spirit in Islam?  Why can't we call it GOD?

  2. My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining the Evidence which proves that the Spirit is God" blasphemous article.

  3. My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining the Evidence which proves that the Spirit is God" blasphemous article (PART II).

  4. My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "A Brief Rebuttal to Anti-Missionary Attacks on the Trinity" article.

 
Jesus, like I said above, was a Word from GOD Almighty.  He wasn't the whole entire Word of GOD Almighty.   He was rather created from It.  GOD Almighty has several characteristics that He Assigns to Angels.  For instance, Angel Gabriel is the "Power of GOD" (in Hebrew that's what the word means), and he is also assigned for sending down Revelations.  The Holy Spirit also sends down Divine Revelations as well:

"Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-  (The Noble Quran, 2:97)"

"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.  (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"


The Guardian Angels and the Angels of Death:

Also, the Angels of Death whom GOD Almighty uses to end our lives here on earth.  Also, the Guardian Angels and the Holy Spirit whom GOD Almighty uses to send down Inspirations to His servants:


Guardian Angels:

"He is the irresistible, (watching) from above over His worshippers, and He sets guardians over you. At length, when death approaches one of you, Our angels take his soul, and they never fail in their duty.  (The Noble Quran, 6:61)"

"Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the Spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,-  (The Noble Quran, 40:15)"

"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.  (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"

Angels of Death:

"He is the irresistible, (watching) from above over His worshippers, and He sets guardians over you. At length, when death approaches one of you, Our angels take his soul, and they never fail in their duty.   (The Noble Quran, 6:61)"

"But how (will it be) when the angels take their souls at death, and smite their faces and their backs?  (The Noble Quran, 47:27)"

"If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers (at death), (How) they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire-  (The Noble Quran, 8:50)"


The Holy Spirit to us:

The Holy Spirit is used for literally creating our Spirits in our flesh in our mothers' wombs, and for inspiring us as well:

Creation of our souls from the Holy Spirit:

"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit.  And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!    (The Noble Quran, 32:9)"

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.  (The Noble Quran, 38:72)"

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.  (The Noble Quran, 15:29)"

"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.  (The Noble Quran, 21:91)"

"And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our Spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).  (The Noble Quran, 66:12)"

Inspirations from the Holy Spirit:

"Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the Spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,-  (The Noble Quran, 40:15)"

"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.  (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day, loving those who resist God and His Apostle, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a Spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). God will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of God. Truly it is the Party of God that will achieve Felicity.  (The Noble Quran, 58:22)"

"Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'  (The Noble Quran, 5:110)"

And like I mentioned above, the Holy Spirit also sends down Divine Revelations:

"Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-  (The Noble Quran, 2:97)"

"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.  (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"

Etc...

So Jesus, like Adam, being a Word from GOD Almighty and not a recycle like us from a father's sperm and a mother's egg doesn't make him GOD Almighty Himself.    Many carry GOD Almighty's Characteristics for Inspiration, Wrath, Death, Power, Word, Creating our human-spirits and life, etc...  Jesus is just one of them.

 

 

 

 

 

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Answering Trinity.

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