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Responding to Dallas Roark's article If I were a Muslim.....

 

Thank God I am a Muslim

 

By Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Roark/if_muslim.htm

 

 

A member of the Answering-Islam team has recently come out with an article titled if I were a Muslim. The basic theme of the article is that if this Christian was a Muslim he would be asking himself some questions on several issues. The article is not sincere as we shall see, and is simply an attempt to look smart and try to attack Islam, no worries since I love seeing Christian apologists trying to be snart and play games, since it makes me my refutation to them all the more better and pleasurable.

 

With all this said we now proceed to this person’s article:

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim, I would wonder about the statement in the Qur’an,

5:51 "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another ..."

 

There are examples to prove this to be false. A non-Muslim country sought to bring freedom from tyranny in Afghanistan, freedom from tyranny in Iraq, the Kurdish Muslims are overjoyed at the prospect of freedom. In the end of the last century a non-Muslim country fought another non-Muslim country to liberate Muslims. During that time Jewish doctors treated Kosovar Muslims contrary to the sura above.

 

My Response

 

Actually, if you were a Muslim you would first go check with the Arabic, and check if it actually says friends, however so since your a typical missionary liar, I knew you would not bother. So already notice the deception by this missionary, how nice, it amazes me that we can never have one honest sincere article by these Answering-Islam writers.

 

Now since I have already wrote an article on this subject, I shall merely post the article here, and since Bassam Zawadi has also written an article on this issue, I shall also post his article. :

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm

 

One common verse that Christians like to quote from the Quran is verse 5:51 which reads:

 

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

 

Christians like to quote this verse then go on to argue that Muslims are not allowed to be friends with Christians and Jews.

 

The point of this article is to simply show that Muslims are allowed to be friends with Christians and Jews, and that the verse is actually wrongly translated into friends.

I will first quote a fatwa by a group of scholars concerning this very issue:

 

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543362

 

Details of FatwaTitle of Fatwa Does Islam Forbid Befriending Non-Muslims?Date of Reply26/Nov/2005Topic Of FatwaRelations during PeaceCountry AppliedUnited

 

KingdomQuestion of FatwaA Greek Christian friend of mine came to me and said that he wanted a book that guides him to the way a man should live. I handed him a copy of the Qur'an. He took deep interest in reading it until he came across the following verse: [O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma’dah 5: 51)   Reading the verse, he asked "why is that so?" Why is your book telling you that we can't be your friends? Does that mean I can't be your friend? And at his request I am seeking help from you to throw some light on it. I am too confused by this. And if that is so then why does Islam allow us to marry Christian and Jewish girls (despite the fact they might not want to change their religion.) Please reply soon.

 

Name of Mufti Muzammil Siddiqi

 

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503614805&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaCounselorE%2FFatwaCounselorE

 

Content of ReplyWa`alaykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.  In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.  All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.  Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah's Sake, meet your expectations.  In the first place, we would like to stress that Islam urges all Muslims to deal kindly and justly with all people. Muslims should have good relations with all people. At school, at work, in your neighborhood, etc., you should be kind and courteous to everyone. Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. Allah has clearly forbidden Muslim from fighting those who fight not their faith or drive them out from their homes. Referring to this,

 

[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

 

In his response to the question, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America, states the following:  The Qur'an does not say that non-Muslims cannot be Muslims' friends, nor does it forbid Muslims to be friendly to non-Muslims. There are many non-Muslims who are good friends of Muslim individuals and the Muslim community.

 

There are also many good Muslims who truly and sincerely observe their faith and are very friendly to many non-Muslims at the same time.  Islam teaches us that we should be friendly to all people. Islam teaches us that we should deal even with our enemies with justice and fairness. Allah says in the Qur'an in the beginning of the same Surat Al-Ma’dah: [O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.] (Al-Ma’dah 5 :8)  In another place in the Qur'an, Allah Almighty says: 

 

[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9) 

 

Moreover, Allah Almighty has described Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "a mercy" to the worlds. He was a sign of Allah's Mercy to all, Muslims as well as non-Muslims. In his kindness and fair treatment he did not make any difference between the believers and non-believers. He was kind to the pagans of Makkah and fought them only when they fought him. He made treaties with the Jews of Madinah and honored the treaties until they broke them.  He (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have received the Christians of Najran with kindness in his Masjid in Madinah. They argued with him about Islam, but he returned them with honor and respect. There are many examples from his life that show that he was the friendliest person to all people.  In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master".  In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as

 

 [Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…] (Al- Baqarah 2: 257) 

There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as

[And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)…] (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)

 

 The correct translation of the verse in Surat Al-Ma’idah is: [O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51)

 

 It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other.  In his Tafsir, (Qur’an exegesis) Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (i.e. the one you referred to) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68) 

 

Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says:

 

[O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23) 

 

n a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslims's duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. Allah Almighty says,

 

 [Let not the Believers take the unbelievers as their patrons over against the Believers…] (Aal-'Imran 3: 28)  He Almighty also says: [O you who believe! Take not for patrons unbelievers rather than Believers. Do you wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?] (An-Nisaa’ 4:144) You can also read:

 

Domains of Muslim-Christian Cooperation http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503544488&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaE>  Do Muslims Hate non-Muslims? <http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503545526&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaE>  Justice and Compassion: Ethics and Our Responsibilities <http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547450&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaE  Allah Almighty knows best.Also

 

taken from http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/

 

Misquoted Verse #15

 

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

 

The first point to be noted is that, in the verse above, the word Awliya is often incorrectly translated as friends (Awliya is the plural and its singular is wali and the concept is walaah). As a result, many people are under the misconception that this verse commands Muslims to distance themselves from Non-Muslims and to avoid friendship with them. This is far from the truth, as we shall see after examining the meaning of the word Awliya. The Qur'an says:

 

3:122 ...Allah was their WALI (protector), and in Allah should the faithful (Ever) put their trust.

 

This verse indicates that a wali is one in whom trust is placed for protection, as the Qur'an always declares God the protector, wali, of the righteous. As Dr. Saeed Ismail Sieny concludes his discussion on Walaah by writing:

 

As we have discovered above, the root of the word "al-walaah" does not include love, support, etc., and that the core meaning rests on guardianship. (Sieny, The Relationship Between Muslims and Non-Muslims; Toronto, Al-Attique Publishers Inc., 2000, p. 102, emphasis added)

 

And Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi writes:

 

In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master". In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as

 

“Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…” (Al- Baqarah: 257)

 

There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as

 

“And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgment or punishment in this case)…”(Al-‘Isra' :33)
(SOURCE http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886 emphasis added)

 

It becomes clear that the word Awliya cannot be taken as simply referring to friendship, as it contains a much more complex meaning, including dependence and guardianship. Therefore, a more accurate translation of the verse would be:

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your protectors: They are but protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

 

Therefore, the referred verse does not prohibit friendship with Non-Muslims at all. Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi writes:

 

The Qur'an does not say that non-Muslims cannot be Muslims' friends, nor does it forbid Muslims to be friendly to non-Muslims. There are many non-Muslims who are good friends of Muslim individuals and the Muslim community. There are also many good Muslims who truly and sincerely observe their faith and are very friendly to many non-Muslims at the same time. Islam teaches us that we should be friendly to all people. Islam teaches us that we should deal even with our enemies with justice and fairness. Allah says in the Qur'an in the beginning of the same Surah Al-Ma’dah:

 

“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (Al-Ma’dah :8)

 

In another place in the Qur'an, Allah Almighty says:

 

“Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.” (Al-Mumtahinah: 8-9)

 

Moreover, Allah Almighty has described Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, as "a mercy" to the worlds. He was a sign of Allah's Mercy to all, Muslims as well as non-Muslims. In his kindness and fair treatment he did not make any difference between the believers and non-believers. He was kind to the pagans of Makkah and fought them only when they fought him. He made treaties with the Jews of Madinah and honored the treaties until they broke them. He, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have received the Christians of Najran with kindness in his Masjid in Madinah. They argued with him about Islam, but he returned them with honor and respect. There are many examples from his life that show that he was the friendliest person to all people. (SOURCE <http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886)

 

And as Muhammad Asad writes:

As regards the meaning of the "alliance" referred to here, see 3:28, and more particularly 4: 139 and the corresponding note, which explains the reference to a believer's loss of his moral identity if he imitates the way of life of, or-in Qur'anic terminology-"allies himself" with, non-Muslims. However, as has been made abundantly clear in 60: 7-9 (and implied in verse 57 of this Surah), this prohibition of a "moral alliance" with non-Muslims does not constitute an injunction against normal, friendly relations with such of them as are well-disposed towards Muslims. It should be borne in mind that the term wall has several shades of meaning: "ally", "friend", "helper", "protector", etc. The choice of the particular term - and sometimes a -combination of two terms-is always dependent on the context. (Asad, The Message of the Qur’an, emphasis added)

The second point to note is that although this verse makes a general statement, the ruling is specific and is to be applied in a context similar to the historical context. Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi wrote about this topic extensively in response to a similar question:

 

[The answer to this is that these verses are not unconditional, to be applied to every Jew, Christian, or non-Muslim. Interpreting them in this manner contradicts the injunctions of the Qur'an which enjoin affection and kindness to the good and peace-loving peoples of every religion, as well as the verses which permit marriage to the women of the People of the Book, with all that Allah says concerning marriage

and He has put love and mercy between you” (30:21)

 

and the verse concerning the Christians:

 

And thou wilt find those who say, 'Surely we are Christians,' to be nearest to them (the Muslims in affection...(5:82)

 

The verses cited above [verse 5:51] were revealed in connection with those people who were hostile to Islam and made war upon the Muslims. Accordingly, it is not permissible for the Muslims to support or assist them - that is, to be their ally- nor to entrust them with secrets at the expense of his own religion and community. This point is explained in other verses, in which Allah, The Most High, says:

 

They will spare nothing to ruin you; they yearn for what makes you suffer. Hatred has been expressed by their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is still greater. Thus have We made clear to you the revelations (or signs), if you possess understanding. Ah! You love them, but they do not love you…(3:118-119)

 

This ayah throws light on the character of such people, who conceal great enmity and hatred against the Muslims in their hearts and whose tongues express some of the effects of such hostility. (Al-Qaradawi, Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam; US American Trust Publications, 1994, p. 340, emphasis added)

As Shaykh Qaradawi mentioned, verse 5:11 cannot possibly be taken as a prohibition of friendship since the Qur’an allows Muslim men to marry women from the People of the Book:

 

5:5 … virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you are lawful for you…

 

And the Qur’an describes the relationship of marriage to be a relationship with the deepest bond of love:

 

30:21 And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.

Also note that the Qur’an says:

 

60:8-9 Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show “Birr” with them and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

 

The word “birr” is the same word used to describe a Muslim’s relationship with their parents which is considered the most sacred blood relationship in Islam. Therefore, Muslims are clearly commanded to deal with peaceful non-Muslims is a friendly and peaceful manner. The third point is that the specific groups being referred to in this verse were those hostile to Islam, and not all Jews and Christians in general. Concerning the historical context, the verse was revealed during a time when the Muslims were being attacked from many directions, including the Christian Roman empire and the Jews of Madinah. The Muslims had originally made a pact with the Jews of Madinah, but they were betrayed twice. So in this context, the Qur'an was telling the believers to be cautious in dealings with such enemies who oppose Islam, and not to trust them as protectors. As

 

Jasser Auda writes:

 

It was revealed in certain historic circumstances, in which there was a war between the infant Islamic state on different occasions on four different fronts: the Romans, the Persians, the pagans of Arabia, and the Jews of Madinah. So, the historic context of the revelation of this verse is a situation of war between Muslims and the People of the Book (Jews, internally in Madinah, and Christians, through a Roman crusade). So, yes, Muslims were not allowed to make friends with the enemies who were fighting them and wishing to eliminate them from the face of the earth. Some Muslims say that since the verse has this historic context, then it is part of history and no longer applies. This is not correct! It is true that the verse has a history behind it, but this does not mean that it is no longer relevant. It is totally relevant but only in a context similar to the historic context. So today Muslims are not to make friends with Jews or Christians (or followers of any other religion for that matter) if they try to kill Muslims, kick them out of their homes, etc. (SOURCE <http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=7591)

 

The Qur'anic verse is relevant in a similar context to the historical context. A Muslim cannot take Jews or Christians or anyone as protectors if they oppose their religion and its teachings. The Muslims are encouraged to rely on each other for support. Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi writes:

 

It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other. In his Tafsir, (Qur’an exegesis) Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (i.e. the one you referred to) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68) (SOURCE <http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886)

 

The groups prohibited for Muslims to take as protectors are described in the Qur’an:

The Holy Qur'an, 60:1 O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as protectors,- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in Allah your Lord! If ye have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love (and friendship) with them: for I know full well all that ye conceal and all that ye reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. 60:2 If they were to get the better of you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you for evil: and they desire that ye should reject the Truth.

 

So the Qur'an forbids taking those as protectors who expel the Muslims from their homes and who would betray and attack as soon as the opportunity arises. Those who have no respect for a Muslim’s beliefs and desire that the Muslim leaves their faith - they cannot be taken as protectors. This is the correct interpretation based on the context of the verse. To conclude, we once again quote Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi:

 

Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says:

 

“O you who believe! Take not for protectors (Awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.” (Al-Tawbah : 23)

 

In a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslim’s duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression . The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. (SOURCE <http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886)

 

Islam is a religion of peace and compassion, therefore it requires its adherents to act in the best possible manner to other human beings. Verse 5:51 does not refer to friends, but protectors, and the historical context reveals that this verse prohibits Muslims from seeking the protection and allegiance of those who are hostile to the Islamic faith. It is not a reference to all Non-Muslims, as the scholars of Islam have clarified.


This great information was written by Ansar ‘Adl, you can also find him on http://www.islamic-board.com/  

So hopefully this will bring an end to this common mis-conception.

 

http://answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/friends.htm

 

Many critics and of Islam and unfortunately some Muslims use Quranic verses to show that we cannot be friends with disbelievers. I agree that the Quran says that we cannot take CERTAIN disbelievers as friends but not ALL. I will be presenting the Quranic verses and analyzing them to see what indeed does the Quran teach regarding this issue.

 

Quranic verse no.1

 

Surah 4:144

O ye who believe! Take not for friends (awliyaa) unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer God an open proof against yourselves?

 

Now this is the problem with most of the verses. You see, most unfortunately most of the English translators of the Quran translated the word awliyaa as "friends". However, the word friend in Arabic does not always necessarily mean wali. It could also mean protector. (See <http://www.ectaco.co.uk/main.jsp?do=e-services-dictionaries-word_translate1&direction=2&status=translate&lang1=2&lang2=en&source=protector> )

 

In the Quran the word wali is clearly used for meaning, "supporter", "patron" etc. See this article quickly for the proof <http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm>  

 

Palmer and Rashad Khalifa translated this verse most appropriately...

 

O ye who believe! take not misbelievers for patrons rather than believers; do ye wish to make for God a power against you? (Palmer)

O you who believe, you shall not ally yourselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Do you wish to provide GOD with a clear proof against you? (Rashad Khalifa)

 

So I will be using Palmer's translation throughout the rest of this article.

So basically the Quran is saying that the Muslims should not patronize the disbelievers instead of the Muslims.

 

And this is a prohibition of God on the believers that they should not be like the hypocrites and take the disbelievers as allies besides the believers. So they will become like them (the hypocrites) if they do what God forbid them, which is allying themselves with the disbelievers. (Tafsir of Tabari, Commentary on Surah 4:144, Source <http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=TABARY&nType=1&nSora=4&nAya=144> )

 

So God is not warning the believers to act like the hypocrites because the hypocrites would secretly aid the disbelievers against the Muslims. It is clear in the context of the passage that it is referring to the hypocrites when you read the next verse...

 

Surah 4:145

The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them;-

 

So the verse really means that we cannot aid the disbelievers against the Muslims.

 

Quranic verse no.2

 

Surah 3:28

Those who believe shall not take misbelievers for their patrons, rather than believers, and he who does this has no part with God at all, unless, indeed, ye fear some danger from them. But God bids you beware of Himself, for unto Him your journey is.

 

Tabari says in his Tasfir that this means that we should not going supporting the disbelievers in their religion and that we should support ours. Allah will make Himself innocent from those that apostatize from Islam. See (<http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=TABARY&nType=1&nSora=3&nAya=28> )

 

Quranic verse no.3

 

Surah 3:118

O ye who believe! take not to intimacy with others than yourselves; they will not fail to spoil you; they would fain ye came to trouble,- hatred is shown by their mouths; but what their breasts conceal is greater still. We have made manifest to you our signs, did ye but understand.

 

Well, all we have to do is read the verse a bit more carefully...

 

O ye who believe! take not to intimacy with others than yourselves; they will not fail to spoil you; they would fain ye came to trouble,- hatred is shown by their mouths; but what their breasts conceal is greater still. We have made manifest to you our signs, did ye but understand.

 

The verse is clearly talking about the hypocrites who would want harm to come to us and would want to spoil us. Therefore, we should avoid these people (common sense).

 

Quranic verse no.4

 

Surah 5:51

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and Christians for your patrons : they are patrons of each other; but whoso amongst you takes them for patrons, verily, he is of them, and, verily, God guides not an unjust people.

 

This is referring to the hypocrites: 'Oh ye who believe outwardly', and they used to assist the polytheists and tell them about the secrets of the Muslims...

Al Suddi said that this verse came down during the Battle of Uhud when Muslims were afraid that they were going to lose the battle and wanted to ally themselves with the Jews and Christians. (Tafsir of Qurtubi, Commentary on Surah 5:51, Source <http://http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KORTOBY&nType=1&nSora=5&nAya=51> )

 

So again this verse is referring to the believers (either outwardly meaning hypocrites or the true sincere ones) not supposing to ally themselves with the enemy against the believers. Reading the passage in context clearly indicates that it was in a certain context where the people being warned were fearing something...

 

Surah 5:52

Thou wilt see those in whose hearts is a sickness vieing with them; they say, 'We fear lest there befall us a reverse.' It may be God will give the victory, or an order from Himself, and they may awake repenting of what they thought in secret to themselves.

 

Also continuing reading on we see more clearly who we are not supposed to befriend...

 

Surah 5:57

O ye who believe! take not for patrons those who take your religion for a jest or a sport, from amongst those who have been given the Book before and the misbelievers; but fear God if ye be believers.

 

So we are not supposed to take CERTAIN people from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) as friends and not ALL of them.

 

Quranic verse no.5

 

Surah 5:80-81

Thou wilt see many of them taking those who disbelieve for their patrons; evil is that which their souls have sent before them, for God's wrath is on them, and in the torment shall they dwell for aye. But had they believed in God and the prophet, and what was revealed to him, they had not taken these for their patrons; but many of them are evildoers.

 

Ibn Abbas said...

 

(Thou seest many of them) many of the hypocrites (making friends with) by seeking their assistance and help (those who disbelieve) Ka'b and his followers; it is also said that this means: you see many Jews, such as Ka'b and his followers, making friends with the disbelievers, the disbelievers of Mecca, Abu Sufyan and his followers, (surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them) in their state of Judaism and hypocrisy: (that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide) never to die or be removed. (If they) i.e. the hypocrites (believed in Allah) genuinely believed in Allah (and the Prophet) Muhammad (and that which is revealed unto him) i.e. the Qur'an, (they would not choose them) i.e. the Jews (for their friends) seeking their assistance and help. (But many of them) from among the people of the Book (are of evil conduct) they are hypocrites. It is also said that this means: if the Jews genuinely believed in Allah, and in Allah's divine Oneness, and believed in the Prophet (pbuh) and that which was revealed to him, i.e. the Qur'an, they would not have taken Abu Sufyan and his followers for friends, seeking their assistance and help. Nonetheless, many among the people of the Book are disbelievers.

 

(Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 5:80-81, Source <http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=81&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0> )

 

Again we see that it is prohibited to take those who are fighting against Islam such as Kab Al Ashraf <http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_silas_2.htm>  as supporters.

 

Quranic verse no.6

 

Surah 11:113

Lean not unto, those who do wrong, lest the Fire touch you, for ye have no patrons but God; and, moreover, ye shall not be helped!

 

(And incline not towards those who do wrong) themselves by means of disbelief, idolatry and transgression (lest the Fire touch you) as it has touched them, (and ye have no protecting friends) no relatives to help you (against Allah) against Allah’s chastisement, (and afterward ye would not be helped) you will not be prevented from what is wanted with you. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 11:113, Source <http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=81&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0> )

Again we cannot support or incline towards evil doers. (common sense)

 

Quranic verse no.7

 

Surah 58:22

Thou shalt not find a people who believe in God and the last day loving him who opposes God and His Apostle, even though it be their fathers, or their sons, or their brethren, or their clansmen. He has written faith in their hearts, and He aids them with a spirit from Him; and will make them enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein for aye! God is well pleased with them, and they well pleased with Him: they are God's crew; ay, God's crew, they shall prosper!

 

You will not find a people who believe in God and the Last Day loving, befriending, those who oppose God and His Messenger, even though they, the opposers, were their fathers, that is to say, the believers' [fathers], or their sons or their brothers or their clan, rather [you will find that] they intend to do them harm and they fight them over [the question of] faith, as occurred on one occasion with some Companions, may God be pleased with them. [For] those, the ones who are not loving of them, He has inscribed, He has established, faith upon their hearts and reinforced them with a spirit, a light, from Him, exalted be He, and He will admit them into gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide, God being pleased with them, for their obedience of Him, and they being pleased with Him, because of His reward. Those [they] are God's confederates, following His command and refraining from what He has forbidden. Assuredly it is God's confederates who are the successful, the winners. (Tafsir Jalalayn, Commentary on Surah 58:22, Source <http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=58&tAyahNo=22&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0> )

 

We cannot be loving to those who oppose God and his messenger. Here 'opposing' is actually to the degree of fighting against us and wanting to hurt us. This verse came down in a certain context...

 

It was also said that the Ayah,

 

(even though they were their fathers), was revealed in the case of Abu `Ubaydah, when he killed his father during the battle of Badr, while the Ayah,

(or their sons) was revealed in the case of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq when he intended to kill his (disbelieving) son, `Abdur-Rahman, (during Badr), while the Ayah,

(or their brothers) was revealed about the case of Mus`ab bin `Umayr, who killed his brother, `Ubayd bin `Umayr, during Badr, and that the Ayah,

(or their kindred) was revealed about the case of `Umar, who killed one of his relatives during Badr, and also that this Ayah was revealed in the case of Hamzah, `Ali and Ubaydah bin Al-Harith. They killed their close relatives `Utbah, Shaybah and Al-Walid bin `Utbah that day. Allah knows best. A similar matter is when Allah's Messenger consulted with his Companions about what should be done with the captives of Badr. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq thought that they should accept ransom for them so the Muslims could use the money to strengthen themselves. He mentioned the fact that the captured were the cousins and the kindred, and that they might embrace Islam later on, by Allah's help. `Umar said, "But I have a different opinion, O Allah's Messenger! Let me kill so-and-so, my relative, and let `Ali kill `Aqil (`Ali's brother), and so-and-so kill so-and-so. Let us make it known to Allah that we have no mercy in our hearts for the idolators.'' Allah said,

 

(For such He has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Ruh from Himself.) means, those who have the quality of not befriending those who oppose Allah and His Messenger , even if they are their fathers or brothers, are those whom Allah has decreed faith, meaning, happiness, in their hearts and made faith dear to their hearts and happiness reside therein. (Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Commentary on Surah 58:22, Source <http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=58&tid=53009> )

 

So as we can see this was in the context of those who were opposing God and his Messenger were FIGHTING against the Muslims.

 

Quranic verses no.8 and 9

 

The reason why I put these verses together is because they are in the same Surah...

 

Surah 60:1

 

O ye who believe! take not my enemy and your enemy for patrons, encountering them with love for they misbelieve in the truth that is to come to you; they drive out the Apostle and you for that ye believe in God your Lord! If ye go forth fighting strenuously in my cause and craving my good pleasure, and secretly show love for them, yet do I know best what ye conceal and what ye display! and he of you who does so has erred from the level path.

 

Surah 60:13

 

O ye who believe! take not for patrons a people whom God is wroth against; they despair of the hereafter, as the misbelievers despair of the fellows of the tombs!

 

Again these verses are just simply telling us not to support those who fight us and to assist the disbelievers against the Muslims...

 

And from his narration on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas that he said concerning the interpretation of Allah’s saying (O ye who believe!): (O ye who believe!) referring to Hatib, (Choose not My enemy) in religion (and your enemy) who fight you, i.e. the people of Mecca (for friends) seeking their assistance and help. (Do ye give them friendship) you send them a letter to assist and help them (when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you) i.e. to Hatib, (driving out the messenger) Muhammad (pbuh) from Mecca (and you) i.e. Hatib (because ye believe) because of your faith (in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth) if you have, O Hatib, come forth from Mecca to Medina (to strive in My way) for the sake of My obedience (and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret) do not send letters to them in secret to assist and help them, (when I am best Aware of what ye hide) i.e. of what you hide, O Hatib, regarding the letter; and it is also said that this means: regarding your faith (and what ye proclaim) O Hatib, of excuse; and it is also said: of profession of Allah’s divine Oneness? (And whosoever doeth it among you) whoever of you, O believers, does as Hatib did, (he verily hath strayed from the right way) he has indeed strayed from the path of guidance.(Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 60:1, Source <http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=81&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0> )

 

(O ye who believe!) referring here to ‘Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his fellow believers (Be not friendly) i.e. seeking their help and assistance and divulging to them the secrets of the Prophet (pbuh) (with a folk with whom Allah is wroth) twice; this refers to the Jews when they said: “Allah’s Hand is uptight” and again when they disbelieved in Muhammad (pbuh) ((a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter) who have despaired of the bliss of Paradise (as the disbelievers) the disbelievers of Mecca (despair of those who are in the graves) i.e. of the return of the people of the graves; and it is also said that this means: of the questioning of Munkar and Nakir; and it is also said this means: do not be friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, but rather be of those who glorify Allah and pray to Him.’ (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 60:13, Source <http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=81&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0> )

 

This is referring to the Jews, because some poor people amongst the Muslims used to spell out the secrets of the Muslims to the Jews. (Tafsir of Qurtubi, Commentary on Surah 60:13, Source <http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=60&nAya=13&taf=KORTOBY&tashkeel=0> )

 

We have to read the whole Surah in order to understand exactly what God is saying...

 

Surah 60:8-9

 

God forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you for religion's sake, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that ye should act righteously and justly towards them; verily, God loves the just! He only forbids you to make patrons of those who have fought against you for religion's sake, and driven you forth from your homes, or have aided in your expulsion; and whoever makes patrons of them, they are the unjust!

Conclusion

 

So when the Quran says that we cannot be awliyaa of the disbelievers it just simply means that we cannot ally our selves and support them against the Muslims. We cannot be friends or supporters of those that mock our religion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing kindness to those who do not fight us.

 

 

So there you go Mr. Dallas, so if you were Muslim you would go check the Arabic text, once doing so you would realize it does NOT say do not become friends with Christians and Jews.

 

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would think twice about the imam’s preaching to hate the Jews and Christians when many imams and Muslims have never met or seen Jews or Christians.

This is the most profound prejudice one can describe. Many Muslims who come to the west are surprised at the friendly reception they receive. Why should you make Mohammed’s enemies your enemies? Interestingly enough, many Muslims have found Hindus very warm and friendly to them. They are surprised at the love and kindness of Hindus. If I were a Muslim I would wonder about this.

 

My Response

 

Notice how this sad missionary lumps all Imams into one basket claiming they all preach hate towards Jews and Christians. The missionary then goes further by saying Muslims are received warmly by Christians and Hindus implying that Christians and others are not received warmly by Muslims. The hate from this missionary is already coming out and he is trying to say its the Muslim who hates! Hilarious!

 

You see as I have been saying, people like this and other writers on Answering-Islam have a severe mental disorder, and I seriously mean this, and do not say this in a mocking fashion.

 

Perhaps this missionary should go ask his preachers such as Pat Robertson why he preaches hate against Muslims, I am sure this missionary loves Pat Robertson as most do.

 

Finally, if Christians are not received warmly by Muslims then why would western Christian be flocking to Muslim countries?! Go look at UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain, western Christians are all flocking to live there! On top of that you have several western Christians living in Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunis, very strange that these Christians love visiting and living in those countries while Muslims are supposedly treating them very badly wouldn’t you say? This in itself exposes this liar’s blatant distortions and typical western missionary propaganda.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would want to read the Qur’an to see what it says. Many Muslims memorize it in Arabic but do not understand the language. What use is the Arabic if one does not understand it? Many Muslims do not know what the Qur’an says, and are shocked to learn that it says lots of things they question. If I were a Muslim I would want to know these things.

 

Why does one have to pray in Arabic? If God is all knowing, doesn’t He know other languages than Arabic?

 

("One thing I have to make clear that when I started writing abusing retorts to these Islam-bashers in FFI, I never had read the Koran, or the Hadiths. My knowledge of Islam was from hearsay." (Source <http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/MehrAliK> )

 

My Response

 

Once again this missionary exposes himself, just because there are Muslims out there who do not understand the Quran and so on this missionary goes and acts like its the end of the world! Tell me, do all Christians know the Bible? Most certainly NOT, in fact when you tell Christians that Jesus' great grandfather came as an act of incest between Judah and his daughter and law, the Christians will call you a liar, however so, I am more than happy to show you the story from the un-holy Bible:

 

Genesis 38:

 

1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. 2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. 3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er. 4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. 5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.

12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah
Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. 20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.

24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told
Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more. 27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. 28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. 29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.

 

Now as I said, Jesus’ lineage is a result of this. The names of the two kids who resulted out of this sexual encounter between Judah and Tamar were Pharez and Zarah.

Here is Jesus’ lineage according to Matthew 1:

 

1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

 

So there you go, Jesus’ lineage comes from the result of Judah sleeping with a lady who he thought was a harlot who was in fact his daughter in law!

 

Most Christians do not know that such filth exist in their own Bible! They will call you a liar, and a pervert if you bring this up to them, however so when you quote and show it to them they go silent, why is that?

 

As for praying, people can pray in their own languages, however the consensus is that it is better in Arabic, but you can still pray in your own language if you cannot do it in Arabic, unlike your fake god, our God is understanding and makes things easier for us, unlike yours who demands perfection when he knows that can never happen! How just is that?! Perhaps you as a Christian should ask yourself that, ask yourself why does your god seem to not understand his own creation demanding things of them which he knows he will not get.

 

The missionary then goes to quote a Muslim who says he never knew anything about the Quran, and? Do you want a gift for that? Is that supposed to be some major ground-breaking evidence? Bring something that Muslims don’t already know! If I wanted to quote Christians who don’t know their Bible I would fill this whole website up! But what does that prove? NOTHING.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would want to investigate why the rest of the world thinks that Mohammed was a pedophile.

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 — "Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)."

 

My Response

 

Notice this missionaries arrogant and ignorant views, when the missionary says 'THE REST OF THE WORLD' what he basically means is the west! You see folks this issue of the prophet Muhammad marrying Aisha became an argument by western missionaries, they started the absurd articles, and off course now you have some Arab Christians who join in on it which is a bit funny. The reason I say it is funny is because Arab Christians very well know that their ancestors practiced marriage at young ages, and would marry girls as soon as the reach puberty etc. In fact many in Asia still do this, so when you say 'THE REST OF THE WORLD' you are wrong, since the west is not the REST OF THE WORLD now is it?

 

Now indeed let us investigate, and when we do investigate this is what we find out:

 

1- No one objected to the marriage.

 

2- Aishas father Abu bakr agreed to the marriage, having no objections regarding the age.

 

3- Aishas mother prepared her for the marriage, and had no objections what so ever.

 

4- The women who were present when the marriage was about to be consummated were very happy for Aisha and wished her luck in her marriage.

 

5- Aisha used to love the prophet Muhammad very much, and would often get jealous, obviously not the symptoms of a victim.

 

6- Aisha became a great scholar of Islam teaching men, obviously not the symptoms of a victim.

 

7- None of the Qurayshi pagans or foreign enemies of the prophet Muhammad objected to the marriage with Aisha, obviously they saw nothing wrong with it since it was something normal back then.

 

So as we see, when we do investigate this we find that the Christians and western atheists have no 'REAL' case here, they are arguing from emotion, and arguing from different time contexts.

 

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Mohammad could have as many wives as he wanted and I would be limited to only four.

 

The first sura relates to Mohammed, the second one relates to ordinary Muslims.

33:50 Pickthall, "O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage — a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers"

 

4:3 Pickthall, "And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."

 

My Response

 

He was a prophet of God and the last prophet of God, as such he has extra privileges which other humans do not have, this is something simple. However so since this topic has been dealt with time and time again, I shall simply post the links where you can read on this subject:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltosamshamoun29.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/umar/mhd_marriages_rebuttal.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/wives_of_the_prophet.htm

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder if the Qur’an was the exact words of God, why would it contain fictional stories that never happened, such as the children in the cave who slept for generations and other stories that are regarded as fictions by the rest of the world.

18:10 "When the youths took refuge in the Cave saying, 'Our lord, give us mercy from Thee, and furnish us with rectitude in our affair.'"

 

18:25 "And they tarried in the Cave three hundred years, and to that they added nine more." (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

Actually, if you were a Muslim you would not question these stories and say 'hmmm why are fictional stories in the Quran'.

 

This missionary is so bankrupt on arguments he has to come up with atheist ones! It seems Dallas has a problem with God's ability to do extradinary things, a very strange argument from a Christian who believes that God does miracles and several supernatural things, so how is this a fictional story? Maybe Answering-Islam has employed atheists????

 

But now let us turn the tables on the missionary, I shall quote stories from the Bible, and you be the judge whether these are fictional fairy tale stories, or the book of God:

 

Revelations 12: 1-9

 

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

WOW! This would be a great bed time fantasy stories for kids, angels fighting bad angels in heaven, and a dragon coming in! This is something like that of Harry potter wouldn’t you say?!

 

This shows the inconsistency of Christian apologists, they have the audacity to say there are fictional stories in the Quran when you find such stories in the Bible! The Christian apologist is in a worst position though, where as the Quran is talking about great miracles God did, in the Bible we see that these are magical fantasy stories of dragons in heaven!!!!!

 

For fairy fictional tales in the Bible visit these links:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/fairy_tales_in_the_bible.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/biblical_absurdities.htm

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Mohammed was not forgiving to those who criticized him, who opposed him, and who wrote satirical poetry about him. If I were a Muslim I would wonder if they really deserved the death penalty. Did satire deserve death?

 

Mohammed cursed his uncle, Abu Lahab, for rejecting his message. The curse is preserved in the Qur’an, (111:1-5) " Perish the hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he! His wealth avails him not, neither what he has earned; he shall roast at a flaming fire, and his wife, the carrier of the firewood, upon her neck a rope of palm-fibre." (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

Can you please show us your sources of him putting people to death? Specifically his enemies, since I do not trust you because you Answering-Islam missionary do have a tendency of distorting stories and why enemies of the prophet Muhammad were really killed, here is an example:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_silas_2.htm

 

As for the prophet cursing people for rejecting his message, all I have to say to that is INCONSISTENCY INCOSISTENCY INCONSISTENCY.

 

This missionary has a problem when the prophet Muhammad curses some disbelievers, but has no problems when Jesus, Paul, or other disciples do the same thing!

 

Jesus cursed a Jew for asking for a miracle! Here it is:

 

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas (Matthew 12:38-39)

Wow isn’t that nice? Perhaps this Christian should study his own Bible before trying to debate Muslims. Here are some more curses on disbelievers in the Bible from Jesus:

 

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." Matthew 23:13-28

 

Also the disciple Peter made sure he had a go at the disbelievers:

Apostle Peter:

 

"But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish ... They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity - for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him ... Of them the proverbs are true: ‘A dog returns to its vomit,’ and, ‘A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.’" 2 Peter 2:12, 19, 22

 

So Dallas, why don’t you have problems with Jesus, and Peter cursing disbelievers, yet when the prophet Muhammad does it you go ballistic and act like it’s the end of the world! Such glaring inconsistencies only expose the person’s lack of sincerity in argumentation, and the persons lack of knowledge on their own scripture. As I have been saying, the team of Answering-Islam know NOTHING about Islam and hardly know anything about their own faith, they only make themselves to look as real scholars who know what their talking about by writing 50 pg articles in which only around 10 of those pages address the topic their dealing with, and when they are dealing with the main topic, all they do is distort what the text says, misquote, take out of context, and read into the text. :)

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslims put so many people to death simply because they did not want to believe in Mohammed as a prophet.

 

2:191 "And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers" (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

Lies, lies, and more lies. Muslims put people to death for not accepting the prophet Muhammad? Hmmm that is very odd, when the Muslims conquered Makkah with 10,000 Muslim men, they took over Makkah without a fight, and the pagans in the city were not slaughtered, this alone is enough to expose the lie.

 

Now as to the verse he quotes, as I just said:

 

As I have been saying, the team of Answering-Islam know NOTHING about Islam and hardly know anything about their own faith, they only make themselves to look as real scholars who know what their talking about by writing 50 pg articles in which only around 10 of those pages address the topic their dealing with, and when they are dealing with the main topic, all they do is distort what the text says, misquote, take out of context, and read into the text. :)

 

Note just a few paragraphs up I said all Answering-Islam can do is take verses out of context and distort what the text really says, this is a prime example here, the irony!!!

 

This missionary Dallas quotes Surah 2:191, yet he does not quote context, and makes up his own meaning that the verse is supposedly referring to people who do not accept Islam, far from it, let us now quote the verse in CONTEXT, something Answering-Islam is not familiar with.

 

002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

 

This is the verse he failed to quote, because it would completely crush his deceptive argument, NOW let us quote verse 191:

 

002.191
YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

So note, if people fight you, therefore you have the right to fight them back, and fight them where they fought you and so on, also this verse was reffering to the Qurayshi pagans at the time of the prophet. Let us continue to read on:

002.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So now let us quote all verses together, in context, :

 

002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

002.191
YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

002.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So as we see, if people fight you, you fight them back, this is common sense and logic, and if the people make peace, and stop fighting you, then God is forgiving and merciful, this means that you should also stop. Since God forgives them and has mercy, you should also do the same.

 

So as we see, this missionary has been severely exposed, once must ask why did he not quote in context?

 

What was he afraid of? Such obvious intentional distortions of the Quran is inexcusable

and devilish, this simply shows that these missionaries on the Answering-Islam team are controlled by a satanic spirit which they call the holy spirit, obviously there is nothing holy about such blatant distortions now is there? Lest people feel offended by me calling his spirit satanic, I am not insulting the Holy spirit, I am insulting A spirit which this liar calls Holy, therefore Dallas is indirectly insulting the Holy spirit, since he claims he has the Holy spirit in him, and it guides him, however so if he lies, then Dallas indirectly admits that his Holy spirit guides him to lies, now that cannot be can it? No, it cannot, therefore we can conclude that he has no Holy spirit but a satanic spirit which HE CALLS the Holy spirit, he is wrong.

 

Jochen Katz the boss of Answering-Islam wrote a whole response to me crying to me for claiming I offended the Holy spirit for saying this which was a bit funny, since he was crying about something I never said, so please do not attack STRAW MAN and distort what I am really saying.

 

But now let us turn the table on this missionary, this missionary seems to have a problem with the prophet fighting against pagans, however so, this missionary has no problem when his Bible records story of Moses and his army killing WOMEN AND CHILDREN under the orders of God:

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37

 

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

1-7

 

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7

1-6

 

1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

 

In fact the Bible even commanded the Jews to kill people of other faiths, and people who tried to convert you:

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13

6-18

 

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

 

The Christian cannot reply and say these rules are now nullified for Christians, because the God of the OT said:

 

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19

He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29

 

The God of the OT does NOT change his mind; hence these rules are still to be followed by Christians today!

 

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder if coercing people to believe in Allah is really true belief. If I were a Muslim I would think that people ought to be free to believe in Allah or not. I would think that Allah would be insulted when people are forced to worship him. Does he not care? Or know? Forced worship is not worship at all. If I were a Muslim I would wonder about that.

 

My Response

 

Simple, go read the Noble Quran since it addresses this:

 

002.256
YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

I know for a fact that Dallas knows about this verse, but he is trying to act like he doesn’t, making a question out of nothing!

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Jesus as a prophet is so much more appealing in character, in ethics, in his teaching than Mohammed.

 

3:45 "When the angels said, 'Mary, God gives thee good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; high honoured shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God." (Arberry)

 

Compare the words of Jesus and Mohammed: Jesus said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)

 

Mohammed said, "Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; God knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of God shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged." (Sura 8:60, Arberry)

 

The Qur’an indicates that Jesus was taken into heaven directly. Mohammed died and was buried. "And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger — they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise." (4:157-158, Pickthall)

 

My Response

 

Christian apologetics has become so bankrupt that since they know they cannot prove Jesus is God from the Bible. They now try and turn the prophet Jesus and the prophet Muhammad against each other using the Quran!

However so, let me adress one verse Dallas brings up:

 

Compare the words of Jesus and Mohammed: Jesus said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)

 

How in the world does this verse mean do not defend yourself and fight back? This is a clear example of reading into the text, reading something that is not there. However so, the verse does not offer the conclusion that Dallas and every Christian hopes for.

 

In fact this is a very smart tactical strategy! Many generals in the army today would say that this is very good advice for soldiers, why? Well one thing many generals and leaders do is often say do not hate your enemies, because this will then cloud you judgment, and you wont be able to concentrate fully and will be led by your emotion and you will lose it. By not hating your enemy, you stay calm, which allows you to fight your enemy in a better way, since you will not be emotionally fired up, this will give you a major boost in the battle field, and it will make you do the right decision, by hating your enemy you will probably make haste decisions which are probably not the best option and so on.

 

To further debunk this missionary, let us quote what Jesus says:

 

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. (Luke 22:36-38)

 

This event takes place right before Jesus is captured by Roman soldiers after being betrayed by Judas. Note Jesus tells his disciples to go by swords, they tell him they have 2, Jesus is satisfied with this. We must now as, why is Jesus telling his disciples to get swords? What for? To use them as forks to eat their food with? To play fight with each other? No, Jesus is telling them to get swords because they will soon have to defend him; Jesus knows his time is nearly up therefore he has to equip himself and the disciples to defend themselves.

 

So this debunks the Christian myth that Jesus never said DONT FIGHT, as we see to defend yourself is completely allowed, and for the sake of argument, just say that you are not allowed to fight back, then this would be illogical, how can you sit down and do nothing if someone came to rape your wife? Or your daughter, what would you do? Would you just sit down and smile at them saying 'I love you!' would you do that?! Such absurd teachings are illogical and cannot be from God, since God would not teach such nonsense.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Mohammed was accepted uncritically by the Arabs in Arabia when he sponsored banditry, the killing of innocent people, claimed that Allah changed his mind about some revelations.

 

2:217 "They will question thee concerning the holy month, and fighting in it. Say: 'Fighting in it is a heinous thing, but to bar from God's way, and disbelief in Him, and the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it — that is more heinous in God's sight; and persecution is more heinous than slaying.'" (Arberry)

 

Mohammed did not fight in the holy month at first and would not take booty from a group who did. Later, he changed his mind and justified it in the Sura above.

 

My Response

 

When did the prophet kill any innocent people, please produce your evidence! Where is your proof?!!!!! Let us further expose this missionary by quoting his own Bible, where his God ordered prophets to kill women and children, were they not innocent? :

 

Numbers
Chapter 31

7-12

 

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

 

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

 

17-18

 

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

 

Joshua
Chapter 6

17-27

 

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

 

Joshua
Chapter 8

1-29

 

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between
Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city
Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

 

Joshua
Chapter 10

28-43

 

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

 

This missionary has no problems with such stories in his Bible, yet if the prophet Muhammad killed innocent people (which he did not) then this missionary goes crazy! Why the double-standards? Or is this missionary so stupid to say that it is okay for my God to kill people including women and kids, but when the prophet Muhammad does it is wrong, I hope he does not make a clown of himself and says that!

 

However so let me make it clear, the prophet Muhammad did not kill innocent people, he in fact gave a command that is to be found NO WHERE in the Bible, the OT or NT, and even the loving Jesus did not utter this command which the prophet Muhammad did:

 

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.

Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why women have to be covered up. Women have passions as well as men, and should not men have to cover all their bodies as well. If I were a Muslim I would think it evil to have a women carry around a portable "prison" in hot weather just because Muslim men cannot control their passions. If I were a Muslim I would think it rational that women be considered worthy of honor in comfortable dress in hot weather.

 

My Response

 

Notice, the missionary claims he does not like women to cover up in hot weather, basically this means he wants our women to be like his women, to dress half naked when the weather is hot, revealing their whole bodies for all to see! What a pervert!

 

Secondly, who said that wearing a veil and covering yourself makes you very hot? This missionary assumes that when you cover yourself you have to wear a lot of clothes and so on, not really, just do not wear revealing clothes and wear the hijab, nothing pain staking in that, but since you are a pervert, you prefer women to be in shorts, with their belly and chests out, so you can stare at them and smile.

 

Also tell me, did Mary the mother of Jesus wear shorts and lose clothes when it got hot?! DID SHE? Did the other women do it? No, they did not, they continued to cover themselves in the hot weather, and never revealed their bodies to anyone! So go learn about the mother of your God before attacking women who dress like her.

 

Also, it isn’t the Muslim men who cannot control their passions, but the perverted men of the west, who continuously rape women, having sex before marriage, and what ever else you can imagine.

 

Also, this missionary acts like women covering themselves up is that men will simply not stare at them, WRONG. It is to honor the women, so the man sees what is inside the lady, not outside, so he judges her for whom she is, not what she looks like, something the west does not get. You have thousands of teenage girls killing themselves because of their low self esteem cause by western society, and you have thousands if not millions of other teenage girls who are ruining their health to simply look as the models they see on their magazines, this is what western society does to the women, it makes them unhappy with themselves, leading them to go and commit suicide. In Islam, it is the opposite! You are known for your knowledge, and character, not your looks or riches.

 

Also, if Muslim women want to cover up, that is their right, who in the hell are you to come tell them I think its wrong for you to be covering up, if they decide to do it, then that’s their choice and you can keep your mouth shut and walk along. And please do not reply by saying they are forced to, because you and I know that is not true, but if you want to go that low, and then please do, as I shall expose you further. Also please do not say my language is sounding rude, please do not go there and cry me a river, sometimes strong language as this must be used, yet we must not go over-board.

 

http://answering-christianity.com/top_11_excuses_of_not_wearing_hijab.htm

 

Also finally, Muslim men must also take caution and care in how they dress, they as women must also not wear revealing clothes and so on, some scholars even say Muslim men should not wear shorts! But something tells me that if men were to cover up and not women, you would not complain since it is obvious you are a pervert and simply want to see naked women on the streets, but that’s your agenda.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why women cannot have equal rights to men.

Half a billion women are deprived of full human rights because Mohammed claimed that women were not intelligent. If I were a Muslim I would be seriously bothered by this inequity. Lots of wonderful things have been discovered, invented, and inspired by women in the West. I would wonder about all the loss to the Islamic world because women are regarded as unintelligent.

 

4:34, "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women)" (Pickthall)

One may contrast this with the Christian view that "Faith in Christ Jesus is what makes each of you equal with each other, whether you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a man or a woman." Galatians 3:28.

 

My Response

 

There shall be no need for me to reply to this, since brother Karim has written a great booklet which addresses many issues on women on Islam, his booklet can be found here:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/index.html

 

With that being said, brother Karim also has several great articles on women in Islam which address every anti-Islamic claim:

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/mistranslations_of_hadiths.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/no_marital_rape.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/sex_as_sadaqa.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/women_rights_for_sex.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/men_and_women_daraja.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/permission_for_women.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/womens_education.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/noble_quran_4_34.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/why_two_women_witnesses.htm

 

All readers Muslim or Christian should visit all these links.

As for the position of women in the Bible, Brother Abdullah Smith has written 2 great rebuttals on the supposed equality and good position of women in the Bible:

 

PART ONE:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_1.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_2.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_3.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_4.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_5.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_6.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_7.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_rebuttal_8.htm

 

PART TWO:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_1.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_2.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_3.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_4.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_5.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/women_in_bible2_rebuttal_6.htm

 

All readers, Muslim or Christian should go on every one of these links.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslim men feel justified in raping Swedish women when Swedish men don’t justify raping a woman on a religious basic. No Jewish or Christian scripture gives justification for raping women. If I were a Muslim this would go against a rational ethical standard.

 

"According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants." (Source <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20552> )

 

My Response

 

Why does this missionary lump all Muslims together? If these Muslims happened to rape, and felt justified by it then they are wrong, and the majority of Muslims would agree, so exactly who is this argument addressed to?

 

There are many Christians who feel justified by rape, murder, etc etc. So what? What does that prove?

 

However so, rape is justified in the Bible, you do not believe? Here you go:

 

Now let me just expose Shamoun very badly, not only has he failed to show what he is saying is true as I will show. He has also managed to insult every female rape victim out there. I will first expose him on how he insulted every female rape victim, quoting what

 

Shamoun said:

By screaming, the woman indicates that she is being forced to have sex without her consent. Hence, when the woman does not scream this indicates that she willfully chose to engage in the sexual act with the man.

 

Shamoun has shown his ignorance and has shown how unintelligent he is. So tell me Shamoun, if a woman is being raped does she have to scream? Did it not occur to you that several rape victims were UN-ABLE to scream? That they were threatened with death if they would do so, and that even those who do try to scream and have screamed are forcefully silenced. The attacker often covers the victim’s mouth so they cannot SCREAM or make noise. They do this by either force with their hands, or they cover it with duct-tape or some other material. So Shamoun tell me, if a woman is being raped and does not scream because she is unable to does this mean she is enjoying it and willingly taking part in sexual intercourse? Shamoun has insulted every female rape victim by such a silly comment. But believe it or not, that is not the final damage he has done in his article, more to come. So that stupid point is soundly de-bunked, just because she does not scream does not mean she is not being raped, and if the Bible thinks like that, then the Bible is tremendously mistaken.


Secondly let me show that the context does in-fact show rape:

But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces (chazaq) her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death

 

The passages before verse 28 and 29 is talking about a YOUNG WOMEN who is not a VIRGIN

 

for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman CRIED OUT, but there was no one to save her.

 

The verses are talking about a YOUNG WOMEN, the next verses are talking about a young VIRGIN WOMEN, big difference!

 

If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and THEY ARE found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

 

So you can see it for yourself. There is a huge difference between the previous verses and verses we are dealing with, the verses before 28 and 29 are talking about a YOUNG WOMAN who is raped. The next passages are talking about a YOUNG VIRGIN WOMAN. So that is what Shamoun missed. So it is clear, in the case of a YOUNG WOMEN, the man who rapes her shall die. However so in the case of a young VIRGIN WOMEN, the man will have to marry her and pay her father 50 shekels of silver, so it is all clear for everyone.

 

Secondly note, in the case of the YOUNG WOMEN, it is when they are NOT FOUND and she is screaming, in the case of a YOUNG VIRGIN WOMAN it is when she is FOUND and NOT SCREAMING showing more difference to the way they deal with different types of rape. In the case of the young women when she is being raped and screaming and no one sees it happening, and they find out later, the man is put to death. In the case of the young virgin women, when she is being raped and is not screaming, meaning she is being forced in some physical way which is why she is not screaming, and some one finds them, then the rapist has to marry her. Now here is where Shamoun does the damage, Shamoun is trying to show that verses 28-29 show the virgin is willingly taking part in sexual intercourse, however so here is the problem.

 

Problem one is that then this would mean this is having sex without being married, a grave sin, secondly it shows the Bible condones sex before marriage because they were CAUGHT and nothing happened to them, but instead they got married to each other and got away with it! That is what Shamoun believes and is trying to show, so basically Shamoun's argument shows the Bible allows sex before marriage and the people who commit it don’t get in trouble for it but get away with it! Thank you for exposing your self, but however so, that lame argument does not work either, because Shamoun has not paid attention to the verses he posted. Here is proof that those verses are not about wilful sexual intercourse by both parties, take note:

 

But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces (chazaq) her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman CRIED OUT, but there was no one to save her

 

Now here we see the verses saying the women shall not die, but only the man, why? Because if you have sexual intercourse before marriage the penalty is death, however so the verses is clearing the women up of any wrong-doing because she did not WILLINGLY take part but was rather forced to, so there fore she shall not be put to death for such a sin. However so here is why Shamoun's cheap argument does not work, let us quote the next passages:

 

If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and THEY ARE found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days

 

AND THEY ARE FOUND OUT. Shamoun is trying to make an argument that both parties are willingly taking part in such an act, however the reason this does not work is because both of them were CAUGHT IN THE ACT, therefore if that is the case then BOTH OF THEM WOULD BE PUT TO DEATH for such a grave sin. However so, why weren’t they put to death if they were both taking part in sexual intercourse in which they BOTH agreed to? The preceding verses(26-27) show that the young lady should not be killed for such a crime because she is innocent and did not commit no sin in taking part in sexual intercourse, meaning she did not wilfully have sex but was forced, so therefore she was not killed meaning that if she DID TAKE PART IN SEX ON HER OWN ACCORD then she would have indeed been killed. Shamoun is saying verse 28 is showing the women was willingly taking part in the act, then there fore she should have been killed along with the man for taking part in the sin! However they were not killed! Meaning it was not a one night stand and that she was indeed raped! AMEEN, the proof is there for all to see!

So not only does Shamoun cheap argument fail very badly, we see that the rape victim has to marry the rapist if she happens to be a VIRGIN. If the victim is not a virgin then the rapist gets killed! What absurd laws, the virgin has to marry the rapist, while the non virgin does not, very bad laws indeed. So Shamoun not only showed he believes the Bible allows sexual intercourse before marriage which it does not as I showed from the text. He COMPLETLY failed to show the OT does not allow the rapist to get away with it, very nice work indeed by Shamoun. The facts are clear for all to see, the lovely context which Shamoun refers to is his ultimate downfall.

 

( http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_16.htm )

 

So if a virgin is raped, she must marry the rapist! Wow, I bet every single rapist would be happy would that, they only have to pay a cheap fine, like one you get for a parking ticket! This is the value of women in the Bible. The sickness does not end there, the Bible further justifies rape:

 

Judges 21: 10- 24 :

 

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

 

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

 

Note, the men stalk these women by hiding in the bushes, when the women come out, the men then run and ambush them, kidnap them and them and then marry them!! Wow, I am sure those women did not object, they were kidnapped and forced to marry, but hey that isnt rape right? No, it is LEGALIZED raped. So unlike Dallas, I do not look at the actions of people to attack his faith or produce arguments, I get his Bible! And for the interest of the readers, the Bible allows:

 

1- Rape

 

2- Slaughter of women and children

 

3- Cannibalism

 

4- Slavery, sex slavery, torture of slavery, and slavery for life.

 

I could go on and on, incase you do not believe me, and think I making this up, then please feel free to visit these links where I have all this information documented, all I do is quote the Bible:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/book_with_no_limits.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm

 

Now if there are any Christians, who feel I am being offensive, or bashing the Bible and the Christian, then I apologize, but I also ask you this, sincerely ask yourself why are you mad or angry at me? All I have done is quote your Bible, I am not arguing from silence making baseless allegations, no not at all, I would never make a false allegation on the Bible, all my arguments and claims on the Bible are documented with proof, I simply quote the Biblical verses and that is all. So if you are angry or upset, then ask yourself, why do you believe such a book, remember, I do not come as a simple enemy to you, but a person in truth, there is no reason to be upset, because the real truth is in Islam, and all you have to do is accept it, so in reality you are not losing anything, but you are winning, it is good if you are upset or angry, because this means something is wrong, and the only way to fix it is by joining the true faith which is Islam.

 

You the Christian reader are the judge, all you have seen from Dallas is inconsistent arguments which can be used and have been used more forcefully on the Bible. All you have seen from Dallas is distortions of Islamic text; you must ask yourself why does he do such things? And you know why, because Islam is the truth, and the only way to deny the truth is by lying and making up distortions against it, but that is okay since the Quran answers this problem:

 

021.018
YUSUFALI: Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).

So even when they make their lies and distortions it does then no good, because when the truth is thrown back at them, it breaks the head of falsehood and the lies go away, this is what we have just seen with Dallas's lies and distortions, his lies have been crushed and burried.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why there have to be honor killings of daughters who fall in love with non-Muslims, or who are suspected of having a relationship with a non-Muslim. I would wonder if Muslim girls don’t have the right to chose their own relationships.

 

March 15, 2005 WorldNetDaily.com — "Police in Berlin arrested three Muslim brothers in what appears to be the latest in a series of so-called "honor killings." The slaying of a 23-year-old Turkish woman, Hatun Surucu, who died of multiple bullet wounds to the head and chest, bears all the marks of an honor killing, a police psychologist said, according to BBC News....It would be the sixth honor killing in as many months among Berlin's 200,000-member Turkish community and the 45th in the past eight years. Surucu had taken her 5-year-old son and run away from her husband of eight years, a cousin with whom she was united in an arranged marriage."

 

My Response

 

Again, he shoots himself in the foot, Dallas has a problem with honor killings, yet the problem lies in his Bible since it allows it! :

 

Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

 

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

 

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

 

So the honor killings are in his Bible. All Dallas can bring is actions of people, if I wanted to do that I could write 1000 articles on it!!!! But what good does that do? NOTHING. Real arguments are based on scripture, not what the people do, Dallas's paper is nothing more than a bash at Muslims. But that is okay, it just exposes him more and more.

 

He Wrote

 

I were a Muslim I would wonder why the police don’t investigate honor killings in Muslim countries. If I were a Muslim I would wonder why fathers have complete control over their daughters to the point of killing them for marrying someone who is not Muslim.

 

"The execution of the Saudi Arabian princess Misha'al is an example of an honor killing in which the execution did not follow any Islamic religious court proceeding but was ordered directly by her grandfather." (Source <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing> )

 

My Response

 

Corrupt police forces are everywhere, so what is the point of this? As usual nothing, this missionary has nothing, nothing at all!!!!

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why I have to pray 5 times a day just because Mohammed said I should.

11:114 "Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night." (Pickthall)

 

Compare the words of Jesus, Matthew 6:5-7, "When you pray, don't be like those show-offs who love to stand up and pray in the meeting places and on the street corners. They do this just to look good. I can assure you that they already have their reward. When you pray, go into a room alone and close the door. Pray to your Father in private. He knows what is done in private, and he will reward you. When you pray, don't talk on and on as people do who don't know God. They think God likes to hear long prayers."

 

My Response

 

The missionary liar lies again, typical typical. Muslims pray 5 times a day not because the prophet Muhammad told us, but Allah told Muhammad to pray 5 times a day and pass this commandment to Muslims, so it is God telling us! Here is the hadith:

 

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 345:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'

 

Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.

 

Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."

 

So note, it is ALLAH who commands us to pray 5 times a day, not the prophet Muhammad, the prophet is simply passing the message and commandment to the believers like all messengers of God do. So why does this liar have to lie and distort what Islam teaches?

 

He Wrote

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why I have to face Mecca when praying rather than Jerusalem as Mohammed did in the beginning. Isn’t God everywhere?

 

2:144 "We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do." (Pickthall)

 

My Response

 

No, God is not everywhere, he is not in a whore-house, he is not in the toilet, he is not in the sewers of New York alongside every rat, he is not in a drug safe house etc.

 

There are many reasons to why the prayer direction of the Muslims was changed to Makkah. One of the reasons was because the Kaaba at Makkah was the first place of worship made to Allah. Also, it was to test the Muslims, to see which of the Muslims would accept such a command to pray facing the Kaabah since. Also, this also throws out any attempt of fighting over where to pray to, we Muslims all pray in one direction, in the same direction, it is a unity of the Muslim nation, as one. Without this command, you would have Muslims fighting over which direction to pray to, some would say Jerusalem, some Makkah, and some would even probably say madinah.

 

http://answering-christianity.com/munir_munshey/change_of_qibla_rebuttal.htm

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Islam is regarded as a peaceful religion when there is so much violence advocated in the Qur’an. Just a few examples:

 

4:89 "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them," (Pickthall)

 

8:39 "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do." (Pickthall)

 

9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Pickthall)

 

9:123 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." (Pickthall)

 

My Response

 

Why is the Bible such a peaceful book when it allows killing of women and children? There is no need for me to re-paste those barbaric verses.

Islam is indeed a peaceful religion:

 

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.

Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

002.256
YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

109.004
YUSUFALI: And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109.005
YUSUFALI: Nor will ye worship that which I worship

 

109.006
YUSUFALI: To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Dallas also exposes himself from one of the verses he quotes:

 

8:39 "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do." (Pickthall)

 

So if they stop, you stop also.

 

The missionary further exposes himself, by once again not quoting in context, for instance surah 9:

 

9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Pickthall)

The coward was too afraid to quote the next verse; I shall do it for him:

 

009.006
YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

This is what the coward forgot to quote, because this refutes his whole argument! Very sad, that this man is trying to make us leave Islam for his faith, when all he shows us is lies, distortions and so on, not a very good way in trying to covert us to Christianity now is it?

 

As for surah 9:123, fight does not have to mean physical, it can mean by the tongue, but even if it meant physical fighting, we already know from the context of the Quran that if the people you are fighting seek peace, then you must grant it, or if they come to you for protection then you must also grant it, so therefore no matter which way you look at it you are left with no case against Islam.

 

As for Surah 4:89, the coward once again could not quote the next verse which reads:

 

004.090
YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

So if you have a treaty with someone you cannot fight them no matter what, because Allah has left no way for you to fight them by making peace between you. As for verse 89, it is referring to the enemies of Islam who wish that you become like them, they are mockers and enemies of the Islamic faith and Muslims, so as such they are dealt with, they are not simple innocent civillians as Dallas wants to make them out to be.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why women in Saudi Arabia cannot have their pictures in their identity cards rather than their father’s picture, or brother or guardian. I would wonder if Muslim women were not accepted as true human beings in their own right.

 

RIYADH, 13 March 2005 — "Saudi women will no longer be faceless identities. As of mid-2006, it will be compulsory for every Saudi woman to have her own ID card with her face on it, terminating the age of women depending on the current family card that only carries their names....... "A Saudi woman’s passport without the approval of a male guardian would only suffice in the case when she doesn’t have any male guardian," said Turki Mohammad Al-Malafekh, the director general of Jeddah Civil Status Department." (Source <http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=60371&d=13&m=3&y=2005> )

 

"Previously, Saudi women were only named, but not depicted, as dependants on their father or husband's identity card." "Women of all nationalities are still forbidden to drive in Saudi Arabia — the only country in the world with such a rule." (Source <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702342.stm> )

 

"Women in Saudi Arabia who walk unaccompanied, or are in the company of a man who is neither their husband nor a close relative, are at risk of arrest on suspicion of prostitution or other "moral"offences." (Source <http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/4.html> )

 

My Response

 

I am not Saudi, so go ask them, and this question has nothing to do with my faith.

Perhaps you can answer to why the west allows same sex marriages, even worst that Sodom and Gomorrah!

 

He Wrote

 

I were a Muslim I would wonder why people should be beheaded when they leave Islam for a different religion.

 

March 30, 2006 WorldNetDaily.com — "A Christian family advocacy group is calling on President Bush to grant asylum to Abdul Rahman, the 41-year-old Afghan who faced the death penalty under Shariah law for converting from Islam to Christianity. " (A search of

 

My Response

 

This has nothing to do with me, however the Bible has no problem with it:

Deuteronomy

 

Chapter 13

KJV

 

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

 

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why the Islamic world blames the Jews for all the evils of the world. I would wonder why Muslims won’t acknowledge that the 9/11 terrorists were Muslims and most of them from Saudi Arabia.

 

My Response

 

You mean the hijackers which are still alive and confirmed by the FBI? As for 9-11, visit this link and you be the judge of what really happened on 9-11, this site I am about to paste is by an American Christian, NOT an Arab or Muslim:

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

 

Also watch this great documentary and you decide:

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

 

However so, note the irony, Dallas is trying to say that Muslims always blames Jews for everything, yet all we have seen him do is try and blame the Muslims for everything! And any wrong a Muslim does he tries to highlight it as something unique and different to when other people commit crimes, as I said he is mentally unstable.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Allah made a mistake in speaking of Mary as the sister of Aaron, the brother of Moses who lived centuries earlier. I would wonder if the Qur’an is a perfect book, written by Allah, why Allah did not know the difference.

1

9:27-30 "Then she brought the child to her folk carrying him; and they said, 'Mary, thou hast surely committed a monstrous thing! Sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother a woman unchaste.' Mary pointed to the child then; but they said, 'How shall we speak to one who is still in the cradle, a little child?' He said, 'Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet."

 

My Response

There is no mistake, and there is no need for me to go over this dead argument, I shall simply post the links:

 

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/mary.html

http://answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06_1.htm

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified when the rest of the world believes that he was crucified.

 

4:157 "and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God' — yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him; they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they slew him not of a certainty — no indeed;" (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

Another lie, who is the rest of the world? WHO? Muslims do not believe in it, I can tell you lots of Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews believe that Jesus is a fictional made up character that never existed, the same with atheists.

Also note how weak this line of argument is, Christians are the only people who believe Jesus is God, the rest of the world does not, and? So does that mean he is not God? The inconsistency is getting amazing now!

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslims quote the Bible to prove a point they want to make but regard the Bible as corrupted when it disproves their point.

 

My Response

 

I can use your own Bible against you, just as you believe the Quran is corrupted yet you still quote it to use against us and prove your points!

However so, we can use the Bible to prove points such as Jesus is not God, but a messiah and a prophet etc etc. Why? Because we have a criteria to judge it with, which is the Noble Quran, the Quran lets us see the lies and falsehood in the Bible while also allowing us to see the truth that is contained it, that which agrees with the Quran we accept, that which does not we disregard and that which we are unsure about we leave as neutral.

On the other hand, why does a Christian use the Quran to back up their belief? Several Christians say the Quran confirms the Bible etc, yet what is your criterion on this? Does the Bible say there is truth in the Quran and so on? No, so this question should be on yourself and not on the Muslim since you have no criteria to judge what is true and what isn’t from the Quran, we have this criteria to do with the Bible.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why non-Muslim religions are not permitted in Muslim countries but democratic countries allow great diversity of religion. If I were a Muslim I would wonder whether Islam can compete in the marketplace of ideas.

 

With the conquest of Christian regions the Christian community faced persecution, dhimmitude and death. "Brutal subordination and violence became the rules of the day for Christians in the Holy Land. In 772, the caliph Al-Mansur ordered the hands of Christians and Jews .to be stamped with a distinctive symbol. Conversions to Christianity were dealt with particularly harshly. In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk who had converted from Islam and plundered the Bethlehem monastery of St. Theodosius, killing many more monks." Robert Spencer, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades. (Washington: Regnery Publishing Co, 2005, pp.122-123.) Many more stories of persecution can be reported.

 

My Response

 

Western society is secular, not run by religious law, so therefore please do not try and give Christianity the applause for allowing freedom of religion in the west, remember they separate Church and state in the west. If we had a true Christian government, there would be no Islam allowed, no Judaism allowed, no Sikhism or any of that, they would all be imprisoned or killed. Want proof? Simply go look at Europe when Christian monarchs used to rule, they would kill anyone with different beliefs and herecy. So therefore the west is not Christian law, rather is secular law, when we did have Christianity in charge what we saw was intolerance to other faiths and so on.

As for Robert Spencer, just like you I do not trust him, you and him have a habit of distorting texts saying what they do not say and so on, so his quote is irrelevant to me.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslims use the Gospel of Barnabas trying to prove Jesus to be a Muslim when the book is a known fraud written in the 15th century. I would wonder about the honesty of imams who use fraud to convince people that Islam is true.

 

My Response

Why do Christians use forged hadiths and weak Islamic sources which have been prove to be false? So therefore Dallas has no right to attack what he himself does, and what his fellow authors on his site do as well.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Muslims remember the crusades as being cruel but forget the terrible invasions that were made on the Christian world in the 7th century. I would also wonder about the terrible carnage Muslim invaders made in India at one point slaughtering 300,000 people in a few days.

 

My Response

 

The crusades are a simple reminder to Christians like yourself who always try to demonize Islam; it is simply turning the table against you and exposing your double standards. But much worst than the crusades have happened, with WW1 and WW2 wars fought mainly by Christians. Worst is happening now, as Christian Bush has invaded 2 Muslim countries saying God told him to!

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why the Qur’an says that the Torah and the Injil were to be read, but later Muslims declared these books corrupted.

 

5:46 "And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus son of Mary, confirming the Torah before him and We gave to him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition unto the godfearing."

 

My Response

 

Wow, this missionary is very funny, note what I just said:

On the other hand, why does a Christian use the Quran to back up their belief? Several Christians say the Quran confirms the Bible etc, yet what is your criteria on this? Does the Bible say there is truth in the Quran and so on? No, so this question should be on yourself and not on the Muslim since you have no criteria to judge what is true and what isnt from the Quran, we have this criteria to do with the Bible.

 

They are like robots!!! Note this hypocrite complains when Muslims use the Bible to prove a point, yet he has no problem in using the Quran to prove a point for himself! WOW!

 

As for the Quran confirming the Bible, this is a lovely Christian myth which ranks beside the other myth of Jesus being God.

 

http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=302

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_anis_shorrosh_1.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltomattslick1.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/bible_not_error_free.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/que9.htm

http://www.mostmerciful.com/quran-does-not-state-bible-is-true.htm

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder how Islam came to be proclaimed a religion of peace when the Qur’an is filled with killing, fighting, flogging, stoning, and hating? How can I say Islam is a religion of peace when it kills its critics and apostates?

 

7:157 "those who follow the Messenger, 'the Prophet of the common folk, whom they find written down with them in the Torah and the Gospel, bidding them to honour, and forbidding them dishonour, making lawful for them the good things and making unlawful for them the corrupt things, and relieving them of their loads, and the fetters that were upon them. Those who believe in him and succour him and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him — they are the prosperers.'"

 

My Response

 

The missionary is simply repeating himself, obviously he wants to make his article longer.

 

The Bible is filled with killing women and children, the Quran is not.

The Bible is filled with laws on flogging, stoning, executions, if that makes the Quran false then it also makes the Bible false.

So inconsistency and repetition from the missionary now, his satanic spirit is running out of arguments.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder why Mohammed is respected over Jesus since Mohammed did no miracles, Jesus did many, and Jesus taught people to forgive other people who offended them.

 

13:7 "The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art only a warner," (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

All prophets are respected equally, we do not try to make one look better than the other, it is you who try to turn Jesus and Muhammad against each other using the Quran!

 

Also note, the verse Dallas quotes is the unbelievers speaking! So Dallas is saying the prophet Muhammad did no miracles because unbelievers said he didn’t! WOW what a strong argument. If he read the Quran carefully, he would have read:

 

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?" Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!" S. 28:48

 

Note, the unbelievers used to say why doesn’t the prophet Muhammad get the same miracles of Moses, it then exposes the unbelievers by saying they even rejected the miracles of Moses! The unbelievers would say, two kinds of magic each helping each other. This means the prophet had miracles, since the unbeliever is saying TWO kinds of magic, both for Moses and Muhammad, so therefore the prophet Muhammad did have miracles but the pagans rejected it still.

 

The Quran itself is a miracle with prophecies and fantastic scientific miracles which no man at the time could know, especially an illiterate Arab man in the middle of the desert.

 

He Wrote

 

If I were a Muslim I would wonder whether Jesus really was the Son of God since he did so many miracles, raising the dead, healing the blind, healing the cripple, the leper. Mohammed did none of these things. If I were a Muslim I would really wonder........

2:87 We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear signs, and confirmed him with the Holy Spirit; (Arberry)

5:110 "When God said, 'Jesus Son of Mary, remember My blessing upon thee and upon thy mother, when I confirmed thee with the Holy Spirit, to speak to men in the cradle, and of age; and when I taught thee the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel; and when thou createst out of clay, by My leave, as the likeness of a bird, and thou breathest into it, and it is a bird, by My leave; and thou healest the blind and the leper by My leave, and thou bringest the dead forth by My leave;" (Arberry)

 

My Response

 

Being the son of God simply means a servant of God, Dallas himself knows this, go ask any Jew and they will confirm this.

 

Each prophet is given different things, Jesus was given miracles to heal the dead and the blind etc, and this is the miracles and honor bestowed on him. The prophet Muhammad was given the mighty miracle of the Quran, the only miracle from any prophet that we still have today!

 

Secondly, it would have been more correct of Dallas if he stated Jesus healed the blind and dead by GOD’S HELP, God gave him the power, he did not do it on his own and never claimed he could, visit these links for a more detailed discussion of Jesus and many claims put on him by Christians:

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltosamshamoun24.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_53.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_54.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_54_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_matt_slick_5.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_silas_1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_gerhard_nehl.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_gerhard_nehls2.htm

 

In conclusion we have seen that Dallas has brought no real arguments, or any real dilemmas for Muslim, all he has done is distort Islamic texts, take verses out context, and use a lot of inconsistent arguments which all severely backfired against him and his own Bible.

 

At the start of the rebuttal I said Dallas wanted to look smart, as we have seen his attempt at it has severely backfired and all he has done is dig a hole for himself, a hole he has no way of going out of unless he throws his Bible away, or admits every one of his argument are wrong and takes them back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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