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Rebuttal to Silas' article

MUHAMMAD’S VULGAR FACE

By Sami Zaatari

 

 

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/mos_vulgar_face.htm

 

He Wrote

INTRODUCTION

This article is not about Muhammad’s appearance (although I include an actual description of him at the end). Rather, this article is about the nature (face) of Muhammad and his religion, Islam.

I’m examining several aspects related to Islam and the world today:

1) Not often mentioned examples of early Islamic violence and terrorism

2) Muhammad’s teachings on the application of violence

3) Current events and how the West is struggling to cope with that face

4) What the future holds for the West

The violence and hatred you see in Muslims today are a reflection of Muhammad's face; a reflection of Muhammad’s actions and teachings; a reflection of his character, his nature. Muhammad had different faces: a devoted and loving face to those that obeyed him, and a harsh, violent face to those that disbelieved him. I use the term "vulgar" because I cannot think of a better term to describe Muhammad's attitude toward, and commands against, those that rejected his claim to be a prophet.

 

My Response

The only hatred we can see is in yourself, your obvious hate is for all to see in this article of yours, the very title of your article shows how much hate you have for Islam and Muslims in general, so you are the last one to talk about Muslims hating when you are one of the biggest haters out there, along with your other thugs on answering-Islam.

Also if the prophet Muhammad was so harsh towards those who disbelieved in him, then why did he not kill his uncles killer when he had him in his presence? The killer was a non-Muslim, and the prophet did not kill the man but let him go. This is enough to refute your lies, which is something common with you, lie lie lie, a trinity of lies for you!

 

He Wrote

DEPICTIONS OF TERRORIST VIOLENCE

You’re aware of the recent Muslim violence around the world. Does a week go by during which you don’t hear of Muslims bombing, murdering, burning, or destroying others throughout the world? You cannot find a region, except for Antarctica, that the Muslims have not perpetrated a crime against innocents. The actions of the devout Muslims are a criminal poison in the world today.

 

My Response

Are you aware of the Christian violence around the world? Such as the illegal invasion of Iraq, and the invasion of helpless Afghanistan.

Does a week go by during which you don't here of the Christian western countries bombing another country? Or bombing a home killing innocent people, or bombing an innocent wedding party etc?

In fact, the western Christian nations have also effected Antarctica! Thanks to mainly western nations the world is being thrown into Global warming, the WHOLE world is being effected including Antarctica! So Christians are the ones who cause trouble all over the world including Antarctica!

The criminal poison in the world today is Christian priests molesting little boys and girls and then saying Jesus loves you. The poison of the world today is Gay Christian priests BEING ALLOWED into the church. The poison of the world today is the western Christian nations legalizing gay marriages, which in a sense is a direct legalization of AIDS.

In fact the likes of Silas are also a poison on the world, why? Because it is western missionaries like himself who force poor people in Africa to convert for food, they tell poor people they will get food if they accept the Bible. This is what you get with the likes of answering-Islam.

 

He Wrote

1) Muhammad’s followers had attacked a neighboring Arab tribe and suffered a defeat. Later they returned and conquered that tribe. They took the survivors as captives. However one of the tribe’s leaders was an old women whom they tied between two camels and ripped her apart! [1]

 

My Response

Irrelevant, the prophet Muhammad did not order the killing. However, if Silas has a problem with some Muslims killing an old lady in a brutal way, which was not ordered by God or his messenger, then Silas must be even more mad with the fact his God ordered his Prophet Moses to kill women and children according to the Bible! Here is the verses:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves


Note what we have here, we have God supposedly telling Moses his prophet to go kill women and kids, not a small group of followers acting on their own orders, the people killing women and kids here are doing it under God's very command!

Silas will try to brush those verses aside and JUSTIFY it much like his other missionary pals have done, namely Sam Shamoun and Quennal Gale, both made clowns of themselves:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_47.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/counter_rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_quennal_gale_1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/quennel_gale_rebuttal_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/continuation_to_quennals_response.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/counter_rebuttal_to_quennalgale_3_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/counter_rebuttal_to_quennal_gale_4.htm

 

If Silas has a problem with an old lady being killed, then he should have a problem with men, women, children, AND old people being killed altogether, if he sees no problem with this, then he is a hypocrite, and is being very inconsistent, and as Dr. James White (Christian scholar who Sam Shamoun loves)  says, inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument.

 

He Wrote

2) One Muslim man had a female slave who he had sex with and impregnated. She bore him children. But she was not a Muslim, (yes Islam allows Muslims to take female slaves and use them for sex). She criticized Islam’s founder Muhammad. The man didn’t like her doing that so one day, he had enough and he stabbed her to death. Muhammad said that her killing was legal under Islam because she criticized him. [2]

 

My Response

Would you care on showing us the source of this story? No offense, but I do not trust you, I would much prefer to see the story, since you are know for miss-interpreting stories and making them seem something they are not:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_silas_2.htm

 

He Wrote

3) Muhammad sent his men to assassinate a man who disparaged him. The men, who were once the man’s friends, went to his house at night and lied to him in order to get him to leave his house. They said they were leaving Islam and needed his help. He opened his door to them and went out to speak with them. They seized him and stabbed him to death. Then they cut off his head and brought it to Muhammad. They all shouted "Allah Akbar!" and rejoiced that they successfully murdered him. [3]

 

My Response

Wow, what a coincidence, I said Silas is known for lying and mis-interpreting stories, he has just done it now!

Silas is talking about the Killing of Kab Al-Ashraf, however so, Silas being the typical missionary he is, makes up a lie and claims the prophet had Kab killed because he was simply disrespectful to the prophet. This is far from the truth, the prophet had Kab Al-Ashraf killed because Kab had rallied the pagans to fight and the Muslims and to kill them! For the full detail visit this link which I had posted already:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_silas_2.htm

One must ask why does Silas have to lie? It is clear he is hate-filled for Islam and Muslims, Silas is the type of Christian who wants to see every Mosque burned down, and every Muslim to be thrown in concentration camps to be killed off, Silas is also the type who supported the hate crimes against Muslims in the States and other Christian western countries. But that is okay, his hate shall only lead him into the hell fire.

 

He Wrote

Wouldn’t you agree that those early Muslim criminals are every bit as evil as the Muslim bombers in London? Aren’t they every bit as sickening as the Yemeni Muslim who shot the American nurse in the face because he wanted to be closer to Allah? Aren’t they as devilish as the Muslim who murdered Theo Van Gogh, or the Muslims who blew up the trains in Spain, or the Muslims who beheaded the children in Indonesia, or the stupid Muslims who tortured and murdered an American Quaker named Tom Fox, or the vicious Muslims who murdered Atwar Bahjat? You know full well I could go on and on and on and on about the continuing parade of atrocities committed by devout Muslims throughout the world.

 

My Response

Yes, these actions by some Muslims was wrong, no doubt, however so, Silas must now be consistent, let me post his Bible again for him:


Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us


Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves


So Silas, and every reader who agrees with Silas's argument wouldn't you agree these cold blooded killers are no better than the terrorists? Wouldnt you agree that this is a barbaric act? The only possible response Silas and his supporters can say yes, if they say no, then they are hypocrites, and being very inconsistent, and inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument as the Christian scholar says.

 

He Wrote

You cannot tell the actions of today’s Muslims apart from what Muhammad did. This is because today’s Muslim terrorists are doing what he did! Today’s Muslim terrorists are obeying Muhammad’s teachings and putting those teachings into action. He tortured people, they torture people. He beheaded people, they behead people. He murdered people, they murder people. They imitate him. Study the Islamic source materials for yourself and read about the atrocities Muhammad and his followers committed.

Enough with the nonsense about Islam being hijacked!

 

My Response

Actually under Biblical standards, the people doing such actions are not sinning, why? Because the Bible allowed the killing of women and children as I just showed! So why is Silas complaining about actions found in his very own Holy book?

Secondly, killing of women and children is EXPLICITLY forbidden by the prophet Muhammad:

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.

Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

So as you can see, the prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women and children, hence anyone who kills women and children under the name of Islam are wrong and are indeed hijacking the religion.

However so, if a Christian murders women and children, he is being a good Christian, why? Because his own Bible allows it as I showed. If any Christians feel offended by what I say, then they must ask themselves are they really offended at me or their Bible? I am simply quoting the Bible and showing it is allowed according to the Bible, in fact I challenge any Christian where the Bible forbids the slaughter of women and children, IT IS NOT THERE.

 

He Wrote

2) MUHAMMAD’S TEACHINGS ON VIOLENCE

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)

Muhammad’s story is the story of a man who comes into power and uses that power to crush those that oppose him. Muhammad mixed politics with his dictatorial man-made religion.

 

My Response

This is another sad lie, the prophet Muhammad crushed those who oppose him? If this is true then why didn't the prophet completely wipe out the pagans of Makkah when he took it over, in fact when the prophet took Makkah over he took it without a fight! No blood was shed, he had 10,000 men, he could have easily wiped the Makkan pagans out, the very same pagans who tortured Muslims, and attacked the prophet while he used to preach in Makkah.

So Silas is lying again, how many times can this man lie in one article?

 

He Wrote

Don’t take anybody’s word for it, not even mine. Do your own thinking and studying. I’ve had so many people, including Muslims, write me and tell me that they had no idea that Muhammad was so brutal. But once they started reading about him for themselves, they saw the light. Many have left Islam, and that is a good thing. They’ve realized that there is a poison in Islam, that it was harmful to society, and so they left it. Many have realized what the French philosopher Ernest Renan said,

"Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the Orient that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service one can render him."

 

My Response

Can you show us those Muslim emails please? Because I do not trust your word without any proof, so please bring forth your evidence.

Secondly, when one does read the Islamic sources they shall see that is says nothing like what you claim, and it shows you actually distort what it truly does say!

Many have left Islam, however so, many more have left Christian TO ISLAM. In fact most Christians do not know the amount of violence in their own Bible!

Silas then plays the typical missionary game, of quoting a source that says Muslims are the victims of Islam, and that Muslims simply remain Muslims because of fear, this is a lie, and is a very sad lie indeed. I am very happy being a Muslim, and no person puts a gun, or a knife to my head forcing me to remain or be a Muslim. The same goes with all the authors of this site, and all the Muslims I know. In fact this website has TWO former Christians writing for it! This site is a living rebuttal to Silas and his quote!

The Two former Christians are brothers Abdullah Smith, and Karim, their sections can be found here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/index.html

http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/index.html

Since missionaries as Silas know Muslims love Islam, and love being Muslims, he plays the game of saying that Muslims are forced to remain Muslim, indeed such stupidity only serves to discredit Silas and his type.

The true poison in society is people like you, with your disgusting hate for Muslims.

 

He Wrote

To highlight Muhammad’s teachings I’m going to present a few quotes from some of the earliest Islamic source materials available. They are respected by devout Muslims worldwide.

  1. Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." [4]

 

My Response

Tell me, does fighting always have to mean physical? NO. In fact if we want to use the same reasoning as Silas, then it hurts him more than us, why? Let us see what Jesus said:

Matthew 10:34

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

This is Jesus speaking here, now Christians interpret these verses meaning Jesus did not mean to literally slay his enemies and those who don't believe in him, but to slay them with their tongues with wisdom and rebuttal etc. However so, Silas leaves no room for this type of interpretation for the Quran, so therefore we shall do the same with his Bible, and interpreting things Silas's way leaves us with the conclusion that Jesus literally meant to kill his enemies etc.

 

He Wrote

So when the sacred months have passed away then slay the idolaters wherever you find them and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, leave their way free to them, surely Allah is forgiving, Merciful. [5]

 

My Response

It would have been better for Silas to quote in context:

009.006
YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
 

This is the verse that immediately comes after the verse Silas quotes! So if one of the pagans ask for protection, you must give it to him.

 

He Wrote

Fight those who do not believe in Allah nor in the latter days nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth out of those who have been given the Book until they pay the tax and acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [6]

 

My Response

This verse is dealt with already:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltomattslick2.htm

 

He Wrote

To John ibn Rabah and the Chiefs of Aylah. Peace be on you! I praise God for you, beside whom there is no Lord. I will not fight against you until I have written thus unto you. Believe, or else pay tribute. And be obedient unto the Lord and his Prophet, and the messengers of his Prophet. Honor them and clothe them with excellent vestments, not with inferior raiment. Specially clothe Zeid with excellent garments. As long as my messengers are pleased, so likewise am I. Ye know the tribute. If ye desire to have security by sea and by land, obey the Lord and his Apostle, and he will defend you from every claim, whether by Arab or foreigner, saving the claim of the Lord and his Apostle. But if ye oppose and displease them, I will not accept from you a single thing, until I have fought against you and taken captive your little ones and slain the elder. [7]

 

My Response

Source please.

 

He Wrote

You can read in specific detail about the various quotes above in the articles referenced here [8]. I provide the context and an analysis on these and many others.

Muhammad did indeed teach terrorism and he put his teachings into practice. He walked the walk. So did his followers. After he died tens of thousands of people left Islam, and tens of thousands of them were forced to re-convert to Islam after other thousands were slaughtered by Muslim armies.

 

My Response

The prophet Muhammad taught terrorism? Really? How is that when he said do not kill women and kids? Something your God ordered, and something your Bible does not forbid!

As for the thousands who were slaughtered, care to show your sources? Visit these links to see thousands of people slaughtered in the Bible:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm

The rest of Silas's article is irrelevent since he does not bring any Quranic verses, hadiths, or any Islamic sources, so therefore there is nothing else to refute. However Silas asks one question at the end:

The real question that needs to be asked is to the Muslims: "Why do you follow such a violent and evil man?"

I have a counter question, why do you follow a book which says kill women and kids? Allowing rape of female virgins, why do you Silas? Care to tell us? I await your response.

 

 

 

 

Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

Islam and the Noble Quran - Questions and Answers.

Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

Sami Zaatari's Rebuttals section.


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