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This video clip is for Main Section #2, below, "2-  "balagha" is metaphoric and "yudrik" is literal.":


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Notice how the leader and the soldiers were shouting "ADRIKOOHUM !!" (derived from yudrik),
which means "go chase them down and bring them back".  It literally means go and physically reach
them, while balagha, on the other hand, is used for time and metaphors.

 

The following is my debate with David Wood on "Does the Quran contain Scientific Miracles in It?"

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We discussed Surah 18 in great details, and I demonstrated 3 Miracles in It.

 

Also, a Muslim brother on this website's blog posted two links of a detailed article:

  • http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/did-sun-set-in-muddy-pool-according-to.html

  • http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/did-sun-set-in-muddy-spring-according.html

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    New Proofs and Update:

    The following important Arabic key-words in Noble Verses 18:86,90 are thoroughly analyzed in this section and throughout the article:

    1. بلغ

    2. وجد

    3. عندها

    4. تغرب في عين

    5. لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر

    Let us analyze Noble Verse 18:86,90:

    Yusuf Ali Translation:

    [018:086]  Until, when he reached (بلغ) the setting of the sun, he found it (وجدها) set in a spring of murky water (تغرب في عين): Near it (the water) he found (ووجد عندها) a People: We said: "O Dhul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

    [018:090]  Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection shade against from under the sun (لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر).

    I colored them so that it would be easier for you to locate them and to follow through.

    Now while below we will find ample detailed analysis that I've provided from Arabic, but the following points are very important to keep in mind:

    1-  The Arabic word balagha بلغ (reached) is discussed in great details in this article below.  This Noble Word is key because it is used for time determination.  Below, I've proven with many Noble Verses and proofs that balagha بلغ (reached) indisputably means he reached the time of sunset.
      

    2-  In the Glorious Quran, wajada وجد (found) has multiple meanings, which among them is "to see" or "saw", as the Noble Verses, below, clearly and indisputably reveal.  Wajada وجد here means that the sun disappeared from Dhul-Qarnayn's naked eye, especially since the neighborhood was mountainous (18:93).  As Dhul-Qarnayn was looking at the sun, he saw it disappearing inside or behind a murky body/pond/lake/sea of dark/murky water.  And of course, as I mentioned below, if the sun were to literally set inside a pool of water, then it would have to rise back again from that location and set into another body of water, which the Glorious Quran makes no mention of, and then rise back again from that body of water and set again in Dhul-Qarnayn's body of water, and so on.  This never happened, and nor did the Glorious Quran mention it.  The sun simply does not bounce back and forth between the east and the west on earth, and nor does the moon.  The Noble Verses also do not say that the Dhul-Qarnayn went to the east or the west of the earth.  No east nor west were mentioned in any of the Noble Verses, and as I mentioned below, neither does the Glorious Quran mention that there are ends of the earth.  On the contrary, the Glorious Quran, as I also mentioned below, clearly and indisputably Declares that the earth is Spherical, Round, is Suspended and orbiting in Space, and is rotating around its own axle.  See the ample Noble Verses and ample Arabic Analysis for the proofs, in the link.

    Now as to wajada's (وجد) meanings throughout the Glorious Quran:

    1. In Noble Verses 43:22-24, 31:21, 26:74, 21:53, 18:93, 12:65, 10:78, 7:44, 7:28, 5:104 and 3:37 the pagans used this word to say "we saw our fathers do idol worship".  The English translations use the word "found", but the context of the Noble Verses clearly speak about these people were doing what they saw their fathers do in the past.
          

    2. In Noble Verses 93:7-8 and 38:44, Allah Almighty used this word to State that "He Saw".  Again, the English translations use the word "found", but the context of the Noble Verses clearly speak about Allah Almighty seeing the deeds.  Allah Almighty Knows everything, and hence, He doesn't have to go out His Way to find things.  Finding something means that it was missing from you, or it was unknown to you.  Nothing is missing from Allah Almighty, nor is anything unknown to Him, not even an atom of things:
        
      "....Nor is hidden (و ما يعزب) from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven.... (The Noble Quran, 10:61)"
        
      "The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden (
      لا يعزب) the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:  (The Noble Quran, 34:3)"
        
      So clearly, وجد in the Glorious Quran was used in some Noble Verses to mean to see.  Using the word "found" is really inaccurate.

    3-  In the Noble Verse, endaha عندها (near it) is referring to the spring of the murky water.  Both the sun (الشمس) and the spring (عين) are feminine.  They are not masculine.  عندها is also feminine, and the context of the Noble Verse clearly suggests that Dhul-Qarnayn found settlers near the spring at sunset.

  • Archeological discoveries were found that revealed the iron gates that Dhul-Qarnayn had built.  They were near the Middle East in Asia.  And the waters in that region are very dark and murky.  That is why, by the way, the black sea was named as such, because its waters are very dark.  All of the scientific proofs and details for these claims are provided below in this article.
      

  • Also, please visit: The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
      

  • 4-  As for تغرب في عين (disappear in a murky water), the following points make it quite clear.  This point is also discussed in great details throughout this article:

  • تغرب (taghrub) throughout the Glorious Quran means to disappear, or to cease to be seen.  This is further proven in the Noble Verse that I just mentioned above:
      
    "....Nor is hidden (و ما يعزب) from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven.... (The Noble Quran, 10:61)"
      
    "The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden (
    لا يعزب) the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:  (The Noble Quran, 34:3)"
      

  • So تغرب (taghrub) here doesn't necessarily mean the sun is setting.  It, again, rather means that the sun disappeared from Dhul-Qarnayn's naked eye, especially since the neighborhood was mountainous (18:93).  As Dhul-Qarnayn was looking at the sun, he saw it disappearing inside or behind a murky body/pond/lake/sea of dark/murky water.  And of course, as I mentioned below, if the sun were to literally set inside a pool of water, then it would have to rise back again from that location and set into another body of water, which the Glorious Quran makes no mention of, and then rise back again from that body of water and set again in Dhul-Qarnayn's body of water, and so on.  This never happened, and nor did the Glorious Quran mention it.  The sun simply does not bounce back and forth between the east and the west on earth, and nor does the moon.  The Noble Verses also do not say that the Dhul-Qarnayn went to the east or the west of the earth.  No east nor west were mentioned in any of the Noble Verses, and as I mentioned below, neither does the Glorious Quran mention that there are ends of the earth.  On the contrary, the Glorious Quran, as I also mentioned below, clearly and indisputably Declares that the earth is Spherical, Round, is Suspended and orbiting in Space, and is rotating around its own axle.  See the ample Noble Verses and ample Arabic Analysis for the proofs, in the link.
      

  • 5-  The following Noble Words are further discussed in this table, below:

  • لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر

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    Another Important Point:

    Allah Almighty never Said that Dhul-Qarnayn had reached the "ends of the earth" where the sun supposedly rises and sets.  In fact, no where in the entire Quran is "ends of the earth" mentioned.  The Glorious Quran, on the contrary, says clearly that the earth is spherical [2].  Also on the contrary, it is the Bible that says that:

    1. The earth has ends

    2. It is standing on pillars that prevent it from shaking.

    3. GOD Almighty will shake the earth to throw the people into space.

    Please visit: The Bible declares that the earth is flat [2].  Also read the article, below, for ample more proofs, Noble Verses and details.

    Clearly, the Glorious Quran is in no scientific blunder regarding the shape of the earth, and the solar system.  In fact, there are ample Noble Verses that clearly and indisputably state:

    1. The earth is spherical.

    2. The earth is suspended in space.

    3. The earth is in constant rotation around itself.

    4. The earth is moving in space.

    5. The earth was expanded and our water was then produced from it.

    6. Our sun is traveling at high speed in space.

    Please visit:

  • Detailed Analysis from Lisan Al-Arab (this alone is 10 big books) and 7 other dictionaries proving the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran in Great Details.
      

  • The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.

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    So why did Allah Almighty Choose "he found saw it (وجدها)" and not رآها (saw it):

    I certainly can't speak on behalf of Allah Almighty, but I could give you few possibilities as to why would the use of وجدها would be most appropriate:

    1-  Dhul-Qarnayn seems to have been following the path of the sun.  On a cloudy day or in mountainous areas, the sun during the day, or the moon during the night, could disappear either behind the thick clouds or the mountains.  A traveler 1000s of years ago, who had no compass to guide him through the North and South Poles' magnetic fields, could easily get lost.

  • Noble Verse 18:93 clearly suggests that the area had very high and steep mountains in it.
      

  • Noble Verse 18:90 also states that Dhul-Qarnayn traveled through the night and then finally reached a town at the time of sunrise.  Perhaps, because of  the high mountains, the citing of the moon during the night, and the citing of the sun as it rises was not easy.  Thus, the sunrise had to be found in the horizon to be seen.

  • 2-  So the use of the word وجدها in this case, if the case was true, is more accurate then just رآها (saw it), because وجدها now becomes more encompassing to the situation, and is more accurate and descriptive.

      

    What about the people who had no cover from the sun in Noble Verse 18:90?

    (لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر)

    Let us look at Noble Verse 18:90:

    Yusuf Ali:

    [018:090]  Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection shade against from under the sun (من دونها ستر).

    18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر

    The following key Words are analyzed in great details below:

    1-  لم = did not.

    2-  نجعل  = caused it to be, evolved it. 

  • Throughout the Glorious Quran, Allah Almighty used this Noble Word to speak about things being created through a development or an evolution.  The Noble Word means that Allah Almighty Creates, Develops and/or Makes a creation through the process of (1) Evolution, (2) Natural development of a creation, or (3) A process of engagement, mixing and/or development through two or more creations being combined or put together; similar to a chain reaction:
      

  • "And We have set made in/on (في) the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.  (The Noble Quran, 21:31)"

    21:31 وجعلنا في الارض رواسي ان تميد بهم وجعلنا فيها فجاجا سبلا لعلهم يهتدون
      
      

  • "And We have made the heavens sky as a canopy well guarded a protective roof: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)!  (The Noble Quran, 21:32)"

    21:32 وجعلنا السماء سقفا محفوظا وهم عن اياتها معرضون
      
      

  • Other Noble Verses in English and Arabic:

    78:9 وجعلنا نومكم سباتا

    78:10 وجعلنا الليل لباسا

    78:11 وجعلنا النهار معاشا

    78:13 وجعلنا سراجا وهاجا

    87:5 فجعله غثاء احوى

    90:8 الم نجعل له عينين

    105:2 الم يجعل كيدهم في تضليل

    05:5 فجعلهم كعصف ماكول
      
      

  • Please visit:

    (a)-  The Miracle of the Mountains in the Glorious Quran.

    (b)-  The Ozone layer is a protective ceiling/roof to earth.

  • 3-  لهم = to them, for them.

    4-  من = from.

    5-  دونها = under it.  See this detailed article for ample details and proofs on the ample uses of this Noble Word throughout the Glorious Quran.  I also used many reputable Arabic dictionaries, including the Encyclopedic 10-Book Lisan Al-Arab dictionary, to demonstrate and prove this Noble Word's meanings.  Click on the link for the details.  So the sun was never physically near the people, nor near Dhul-Qarnayn and his army.

  • Also, according to Google's Arabic-English online dictionary, دون, which is root word of دونها, means:
      
         1.  below
         2.  beneath
         3.  under
         4.  put down
         5.  set down
         6.  stick down
         7.  take down
         8.  mark down

  • 6-  ستر = (atmospheric) cover, shade.

  • According to Google's Arabic-English online dictionary, ستر means:
      
         1.  cover
         2.  screen
         3.  veil
         4.  shade
         5.  coat
         6.  enshroud
      

  • The Scientific Data about the Oriental Race's Epicanthic fold, or stretching of the eyes, is fully detailed in the next sub-section, below, in this table.
      

  • While the Noble Verses may seem on the surface to be speaking only about the community that Dhul-Qarnayn had reached, but the Noble Words, لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر, are clearly speaking about the whole land that he reached, and perhaps even the whole race.  This is further confirmed in the following Noble Words that have been demonstrated above.

  • 1-  دونها, which clearly means "under it" [1] [2].  So the sun was never physically near the people, nor near Dhul-Qarnayn and his army.  Throughout the Glorious Quran, Allah Almighty used certain words in many Noble Verses that spoke about being physically close to something.  The following Noble Words clearly and indisputably prove this:

  • قرب (qurb) means being physically and geographically near something.  See Noble Verses: 2:35, 2:187, 2:222, 2:237, 3:167, 4:11, 5:8, 6:151, 7:19, 9:28, 16:77, 17:32, 17:57, 18:24, 18:81, 26:42, 24:37, 50:16, 51:27, 56:85.
      

  • جنب (janb) also means being physically and geographically near.  See Noble Verses: 4:36, 92:17.  Note that سيجنبها in Noble Verse 92:17 means that the Believer will not physically come جنب (near) the Hell Fire in the Day of Judgment.  See Noble Verses 92:12-20.

  • 2-  نجعل, as I demonstrated with the ample Noble Verses above, means that Allah Almighty Creates, Develops and/or Makes a creation through the process of (1) Evolution, (2) Natural development of a creation, or (3) A process of engagement, mixing and/or development through two or more creations being combined or put together; similar to a chain reaction.

    Therefore, the Noble Words and Verses are clearly and indisputably speaking:

    1. About the land(s) and all of the people that lived in it was not given an-enough atmospheric cover from the sun.
        

    2. About the people and Dhul-Qarnayn and his army were all under the sun and not physically anywhere near it.  Otherwise, Allah Almighty would've used any of the Noble Words above, as He, the Almighty, Had used them countless times throughout the Glorious Quran.  A simple search on these Noble Words shows that there are 93 Noble Verses that Allah Almighty used them in throughout the Glorious Quran.

      
    So in a nutshell, Noble Verse 18:90 is saying the following:

    1. When Dhul-Qarnayn and his army took off during the night, in the mountainous area that they were in (18:93), they kept on going until they reached sunrise.
        

    2. They saw a community (قوم) of people who were living in a land that possibly had no shade nor cover from the sun's very-hot rays, contrary to the shades that the mountains provided the other communities in the area.
        

    3. It is also possible that the people were also suffering from drought.
           

    4. Again, Allah Almighty Said that Dhul-Qarnayn saw the people under the sun (دونها), as we are all always under the sun when it is up in the sky during the day.
        

    5. If the sun were to literally rise on the people, then its blazing lights would've fried Dhul-Qarnayn, his army, and the community of people that they reached.

      

    The Oriental & Indian Races and the lack of shade from the sun:

    The following points shed some light upon what the town was possibly like:

    1-  The people were probably suffering from a drought.

    2-  The people probably didn't have enough natural shades from the mountains and trees against the sun's rays like other neighboring ones might've had.  We know that the area was mountainous and had steep mountains in it (18:93).  Yet, the people were probably located in an area that couldn't capitalize on the shades that the mountains would've provided.

    3-  The sun rays were too bright, and the climate wasn't really suitable for a rich and healthy life.  Notice how that the farther you go into Asia, the more you'll notice how the natives' eyes are stretched.  This is due to the extreme brightness of the sun's rays.  This is certainly a lack of atmospheric protection against the sun's rays, because the stretching of the eyes is really a form of physical deformity (no offense intended here) to the people.

    "An epicanthic fold, epicanthal fold, or epicanthus is a skin fold of the upper eyelid, from the nasal bone to the inferior side of the eyebrow, covering the inner corner (medial canthus) of the eye. It is a normal trait for a large percentage of humans. This lower fold of the upper eyelid gives the eyes of some East Asians an appearance which seems relatively narrower and almond-like in comparison to most persons of Western (Caucasian) and Sub-Saharan African descent, whose eyes seem wider due to a higher upper eyelid fold.

    The term "epicanthic fold" refers to a visually categorized feature of the eyelid; however, there are different underlying explanations of the causes. For instance, one theory is based on the fact that the fold is almost always associated with absent to near-absent brow ridges and vice versa, thus causing some to posit that the absent brow ridge is responsible for the occurrence of the fold.

    Other names for this trait include plica palpebronasalis,[1] palpebronasal fold,[2] and Mongolian eye fold[3].

    Distribution

    The epicanthic fold can occur among people of North Asian, Central Asian, East Asian and Southeast Asian descent, such as the Mongols, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Kazakhs, Hazaras, and some other Asian ethnic groups like Burmese, Cambodians, Thais, Bhutanese, northern Nepalis, Tibetans, Ladakhis, people (mostly tribal) from Eastern Bangladesh and North Eastern India (for example, the Chakma, Marma, the Sylhetis, the Mizo and the Garo), among others. Mixed race people of partially Asian descent, such as Eurasians and Afro-Asians may inherit epicanthic folds.

    Epicanthic folds are also common among Native Americans and Inuit. They can also be found inherited among some Oceanic peoples including Tongans, Samoans, Micronesians and Hawaiians.

    A minority of people within some African ethnic groups also have epicanthic folds; these include the Khoisans (Capoids) in Africa and certain groups from southern Sudan such as the Dinka and the Nuer.

    Epicanthic folds are also found in a minority of Europeans having no obvious Asian background, especially in eastern Europe and across northern Europe in areas such as Scandinavia and Poland , as well as within Ireland and Britain. One of the existing accounts suggests that Europeans who possess the fold also have less prominent brow ridges.[citation needed]

    Genetic factors

    All humans initially develop epicanthic folds in the womb, with some children losing them at birth.[citation needed] Children who have one parent with a pronounced epicanthic fold, of non-medical causation, and one without the fold can have varying degrees of epicanthic fold, indicating that the trait is in some degree heritable.

    Conditions underlying expression

    Evolutionary

    One hypothesis as to why epicanthic folds came about involves the climates in which populations expressing them arose. Sunlight reflects more intensely off light colored surfaces, such as those prevalent in snowy regions or savannahs and deserts. The theory is that an epicanthic fold in such an environment would protect the eyes from extra UV radiation.[citation needed] The trait may also be useful against strong winds and cold weather such as the ones on the Central Asian steppes.[citation needed] For instance the country of Mongolia is hot in the summer and extremely cold in the winter, with January averages dropping as low as -30C (-22F).[4] The country is also subject to occasional harsh climatic conditions known as zud. The capital Ulaanbaatar has the lowest average temperature of any national capital in the world. Mongolia is high, cold, and windy. It has an extreme continental climate with long, cold winters and short summers, during which most of its annual precipitation falls.

    With regard to the vast dry grasslands of the savannah regions, the yellow grasses also reflect a higher intensity of sunlight[citation needed][clarification needed]. Additionally, analogous conditions are present among desert groups such as the Dinka or Nuer of Sudan[5] who live in environments in which sunlight reflects off the light colored sands of the desert.

    Developmental

    Epicanthic folds may be seen in young children of any ethnicity before the bridge of the nose begins to elevate. They may persist where birth is pre-term, and sometimes also where the mother is alcoholic.[6] Epicanthic folds can cause a child's eyes to appear crossed, a condition known as pseudostrabismus.

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    Surgical alteration

    In some Asian ethnicities, the presence of an epicanthic fold is associated with a less prominent upper eyelid crease, commonly termed "single eyelids" as opposed to "double eyelids". The two features are distinct; a person may have both epicanthic fold and upper eyelid crease, one or neither.

    The procedure of reducing or removing epicanthic folds is epicanthoplasty. It is now an extremely rare procedure. Asian blepharoplasty, however, is a popular form of cosmetic surgery in East Asia. The use of "eyelid glue" or "eyelid tape" (sometimes referred to as "eye glue" or "eye tape") is used to create the appearance of the "double eyelid" by finding a "natural fold" in the eyelid and tucking it in and holding it with an adhesive." (Source from Wikipedia.org)

    4-  Also beside the Oriental folks, when we consider their neighbors in India being very dark and even black in color, while the Orientals are bright-white makes it all more amazing on how Allah Almighty Has indeed Structured our planet earth.  Now of course, the differences between the colors and the structures of the faces and the eyes are all due to the atmospheric factors that determine the brightness of the sun, and the temperature and the air pressure of the air.

    5-  We have already seen how نجعل refers to how Allah Almighty causes for certain things to be or to evolve based on other conditions and/or creations.  So, لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر means that Allah Almighty did not create that certain atmospheric shade, cover and/or protection for these people to allow them to have enough protection and shade from the sun, without altering their facial structures.

    There are perhaps other possibilities, but these certainly make logical sense and are quite feasible.  And Allah Almighty always Knows best.

    Also as further mentioned in this article, strong evidence suggests, from the archeological discoveries of the discovered Iron Gates, that the location of the Iron Gates that Dhul-Qarnayn built was near Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles southeast of Bukhara:

    "....near Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles southeast of Bukhara.  A very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurs on the main route between Turkestan and India: latitude 38 degrees North; longitude 67 degrees East.  It is now called in Turkish Buzghol-Khana (Goat-house), but was formerly known as the Iron Gate (Arabic, Bab  al Hadid; Persian, Dar-i-ahani; Chinese T'i-men-kuan).  There is no iron gate there now, but there was one in the seventh century, when the Chinese traveller Hiouen Tsiang saw it on his journey to India.  He saw two folding gates cased with iron hung with bells.  Nearby is a lake named Iskandar Kul, connecting the locality with Alexandar the Great.  We know from history that Alexandar, after his conquest of Persia and before his journey to India, visited Sogdiana (Bukhara) and Maracanda (Samarqand).  We also know from Al Maqdis (or al Mudaddas), the Arab traveller and geographer, who wrote about A.H. 375 (A.C. 985-6) that the Abbasi Caliph al Wathiq (842-846 A.C.) sent out a mission to Central Asia to report on this Iron Gate.  They found the defile 150 yards wide: on two jambs, made with bricks of iron welded together with molten lead, were hung two huge gates, which were kept closed.  Nothing could correspond more exactly with the description in 18:95-96." (Source)

    Again, please visit:

  • Detailed Analysis from Lisan Al-Arab (this alone is 10 big books) and 7 other dictionaries proving the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran in Great Details.
      

  • The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.

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    Were the Gog and Magog in 18:93-101 a tribe of the nation of Gog and Magog, or were they the entire nation?

    Were the Gog and Magog a small group of them, or were they the entire nation in Noble Verses 18:93-101?  It is clear that they were a small tribe/group of them that was wicked, and perhaps full of bullying and trouble, dishonesty, and nuisance to peace.  And it seems that the main route between them and the town that Dhul-Qarnayn had reached was between the two mountains, which Dhul-Qarnayn had sealed with the Iron Gates.
      

      

      

      

    Did the Noble Quran really say that the sun sets and rises on earth?

    The sections of this article are:

    1-  The Noble Quran's Divine Claims and detailed analysis about them.

         -   Aayn (spring) VS hufra (hole, pit) are clear proofs in Noble Verse 18:86.

         Noble Verse 18:86:
  • Proofs that "aayn" means spring or lake or a body of water.
  • Proofs that "aayn" does not mean hole or open space.
  • "taghrubu" means to go away.
  • The Black Sea and the dark waters near it in the Noble Verse!
  •      Noble Verse 18:90:

  • MatliAAa VS mashriq clearly prove that Noble Verse 18:90 never declared that Dhul-Qarnayn reached the ends of the earth.
  • No mention of Aayn (spring) or Hufra (hole or pit) in this Noble Verse.
  •     Noble Verses 18:85, 89 & 92:
  • The speech in Noble Verses 18:85,89 and 92 is clear that he walked or marched for short distances and did not go to the ends of the earth!
  •           *  In fact, no where in the entire Noble Quran is "ends of the earth" mentioned! pulsar.gif (2171 bytes)


    2-  "balagha" is metaphoric and "yudrik" is literal.

    1. Balagha is not literal.
    2. Balagha is used for time determination since clocks didn't exist back then!
    3. Yudrik and tudrik are literal.
    4. Further proofs from the word "adraaka".
    5. Were the Gog and Magog in 18:93-101 a tribe of the nation of Gog and Magog, or were they the entire nation?
      

    3-  Further clear-cut proofs from the moon in the Noble Quran!
    4-  The Prophecies of the Iron Gates did come true, and the Iron Gates were found!

    5-  The Miracles and Prophecies of the Noble Quran which prove its Divinity.
    6-  Conclusion.
    7-  Articles on other web sites explaining Noble Verses 18:86 and 18:90.

      

      

      

    1-  The Noble Quran's Divine Claims and detailed analysis about them:

    Before we start, we have to first of all know that the Noble Quran does contain Divine Figurative and Poetical Speech and Parables in it, as I documented many of Them in good details, and it does also contain speech that is literal such as the Divine Scientific Claims and Notions about how GOD Almighty Created things.   In this article, we will examine whether certain Noble Verses were meant to be Figurative Speech or Literal One.

    Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran.  Please pay close attention to the bolded and underlined parts.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 18:83-110:

    83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain [or Dhul-qarnain]. Say, 'I will rehearse to you something of his story.'
    84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
    85. One (such) way he followed,
    86. Until, when he reached
    ("balagha".....it doesn't mean literal arrival.  See Noble Verses 6:19, 12:22, 18:61, 18:86, 18:90, 18:93, 24:59, 28:14, 37:102, 46:15 in the next section below.  "adraka" or "yudrik" mean literal arrival or reaching as also shown in the next section below) the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it (the water) he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' 
    87. He said: 'Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).
    88. But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command.' 
    89. Then followed he (another) way,
    90. Until, when he came
    (balagha....not literal.   See the next section) to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
    91. (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.
    92. Then followed he (another) way,
    93. Until, when he reached
    (balagha.....not literal.  See the next section) (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
    94. They said: 'O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?'
    95. He said: '(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
    96. Bring me blocks of iron.' At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, 'Blow (with your bellows)' Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: 'Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead.'
    97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
    98. He said: 'This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true.'
    99. On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.
    100. And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-
    101. (Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from remembrance of Me, and who had been unable even to hear.


    There are several points and proofs to notice here:

    1-  The sun had always risen from the east and set in the west in a constant circular motion.  To our human perspective, the sun had always rose from the east, and set in the west, and then goes under the earth to rise back from the east and so on.

    2-  The sun could not physically set on a lake or Spring, because that area of water could not have space or hole under it where the sun would go through it to then go under the earth so it would rise back up again from the east.

    3-  Not a single Muslim scholar interpreted this Noble Verse as the SUN SETTING INSIDE THE Murky spring water.  See the "Aayn (spring) VS hufra (hole, pit) are clear proofs in Noble Verse 18:86." sub-section below.

    4-  On the contrary in point #3, the Muslim scholars were the first to recognize earth as a spherical globe.

    5-  If the intention of Noble Verses 18:83-110 was that the sun literally set inside the murky spring, then it would have had to rise back again from the West and set into another murky spring in the East, which the Glorious Quran never made any mention of, and rise back from the East and set in the West, and rise back from the West and set in the East, and so on.

    Please visit: Ample figurative and poetical Noble Verses in the Noble Quran.


    Did the sun ever rise from the west?

    Did the sun ever bounce back and forth between the east and the west in its rising and setting?


    See the "Aayn (spring) VS hufra (hole, pit) are clear proofs in Noble Verse 18:86." sub-section below.

     

    6-  If we take the above Noble Verses LITERALLY, then this means that the sun would have to bounce back and forth between the west and the east.

    7-  While the Noble Verses above don't give specific timing on how long it took Zul-Qarnayn to roam through the lands, but people back then were believed to do a lot of traveling on foot.  While they didn't have the convenient and time-saving transportation that we have today, but nonetheless, they did travel through the lands without a problem.  They were very physical in their life styles and they were able to build so much resistance against tiredness.

    8-  Clearly, the setting of the sun, is a figurative speech (see examples of Noble Verses) indicating that he reached a town with a spring or lake in it, and he meditated through the beautiful view of the setting of the sun on that town.

    9-  Some might say that the Noble Verse meant to say that the sun set on a place or through a hole near that Spring.  In this case, this interpretation had refuted their "Literal Speech" interpretation, because they now had NULLIFIED their point and fixed position about the sun setting exactly in that murky lake or spring.  Since they now agree that it doesn't NECESSARILY mean that the sun literally set on the water, then the "setting through a hole near the water" claim is only an interpretation without clear cut certainty and proofs.   See the sections below regarding the mentioned Iron Gates (only mentioned in the Noble Quran and no where else) were indeed found, and see the Scientific and Divine Miracles in the Noble Quran along with the modern scientific proofs confirming their Truthfulness.

     


    Having established point #9, we now can indisputably say that the Speech in the above Noble Verses is Figurative and not Literal.  Otherwise, we are left with the explanation of why the sun never rose from the west.  Not even once.

     

     

     

     

    Aayn, VS hufra are clear proofs in Noble Verse 18:86:

     

    Noble Verse 18:86:

    (a)-  Proofs that "aayn" means spring or lake or a body of water:


    "And remember Moses prayed for water for his people; We said: "Strike the rock with thy staff." Then gushed forth therefrom twelve springs (fainfajarat minhu ithnata AAashrata AAaynan). Each group knew its own place for water. So eat and drink of the sustenance provided by God, and do no evil nor mischief on the (face of the) earth.  (The Noble Quran, 20:60)"

    "We divided them into twelve tribes or nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, when his (thirsty) people asked him for water: "Strike the rock with thy staff": out of it there gushed forth twelve springs (ithnata AAashrata AAaynan): Each group knew its own place for water. We gave them the shade of clouds, and sent down to them manna and quails, (saying): "Eat of the good things We have provided for you": (but they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.   (The Noble Quran, 7:160)"

    "And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him (waasalna lahu AAayna alqitri); and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.   (The Noble Quran, 34:12)"

    "In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free) (AAaynani tajriyani);  (The Noble Quran, 55:50)"

    "In them (each) will be two Springs (AAaynani) pouring forth water in continuous abundance:  (The Noble Quran, 55:66)"

    "A fountain (AAaynan) there, called Salsabil.  (The Noble Quran, 76:18)"

    "A spring (AAaynan), from (the waters) whereof drink those Nearest to God.  (The Noble Quran, 83:28)"

    "The while they are given, to drink, of a boiling hot spring (AAaynin aniyatin),  (The Noble Quran, 88:5)"

    "Therein will be a bubbling spring (AAaynun jariyatun):   (The Noble Quran, 88:12)"

     

     

    (b)-  Proofs that "aayn" DOES NOT mean hole or open space:


    "And hold fast, all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude God's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit (hufratin) of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth God make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.  (The Noble Quran, 3:103)"

    The Arabic word "hufra" literally means a hole or a pit.  Allah Almighty never used this word in the rising and setting of the sun.

     

     

    (c)-  "taghrubu" means to go away:

    "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun (ghuroob al-shams), he found it set (taghrubu) in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."  (The Noble Quran, 18:86)"

    "taghrubu" in Arabic is derived from the root word "ghuroob", which has one literal meaning which is "to go away" or "to leave" or "to disappear""gharb" means "west".

    "taghrubu" does literally mean to "going away" or "disappearing", and doesn't necessarily have to be in the direction of the west.


    Get out of my face!

    "ughrub aan wajhi" literally means "get out of my face" or "go away from me now!"


    So taking this literal meaning of the words in Noble Verse 18:86, the Noble Verse would then read as follows:

    "Until, when he reached sunset, he found it disappearing in a spring (aayn) of murky (or dark) water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."  (The Noble Quran, 18:86)"

    By the way, "spring" (aayn), can also mean a body of water and not necessarily a pond or a fount.  When Allah Almighty refers to the SPRINGS in Heaven, He is probably referring to large bodies of blissful water!

     

    Again, as I mentioned above in the fifth point:

    5-  If the verses were to be taken literally, then the sun would have to set in the west, and would have to then rise back from the west, and then set in the east and then rise back from the east and so on.

    Please visit: Ample figurative and poetical Noble Verses in the Noble Quran.

     

    Did the sun ever rise from the west?

    Did the sun ever bounce back and forth between the east and the west in its rising and setting?


     

    (d)-  The Black Sea and the dark waters near it:

    It is no coincidence that the black sea was named as such!  Yet, Allah Almighty CLEARLY referred to the waters near its neighborhood in Noble Verse 18:86!

    Here is why the "black sea" was named as such:

    "Another possible explanation comes from the color of the Black Sea's deep waters. Being further north than the Mediterranean Sea and much less saline, the microalgae concentration is much more rich, hence the dark color." (Source)

    The neighboring waters of the black sea do also contain less saline and high concentration of microalgae:

    "We now come to the Iron Gate which corresponds exactly to the Quranic description, and has the best claim to be connected with Alexander's story.  It is near another Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles southeast of Bukhara.  A very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurs on the main route between Turkestan and India:  latitude 38 degrees N; longitude 67 degrees E.  It is now called in Turkish-Buzghol Khana (Goat- house), but was formerly known as the Iron Gate (Arabic, Bab al Hadid; Persian, Dar-i-ahani; Chinese Tie-men-kuan).  There is no iron gate there now, but there was one in the seventh century, when the Chinese traveler Hiouen Tsiang saw it on his journey to India.   He saw two folding gates cased with iron hung with bells.   Nearby is a lake named Iskandar Kul, connecting the locality with Alexander the Great. 

    ..................

    The Mediterranean interpretation may pass if we had not a closer explanation.   Alexander's first exploits were when he was a mere boy, in the reign of his father Phillip.  The region of Illyricum was due west of Macedonia, and Macedonia's first expansion was in that direction.  The town of Lychnis was annexed to Macedonia and thus the western frontier of Macedonia was secured.  The northern frontier towards the Danube had already been secured, and the lesson he subsequently gave no Thebes secured him against attack from the Greek States to the south, and prepared the way for his great march east against the Persian Empire.

    To the west of the town of Lychnis is a lake170 square miles in area, fed by underground springs that issue through limestone rocks and give out murky water.   Both town and lake are now called Ochrida, about 50 miles west of Monastir.   The water is so dark that the river which forms the outlet of the lake to the north is called the Black Drin.  Looking at the sunset from the town, the observer would see the sun set a pool of murky water (18:86).  It was a question before the boy Alexander -- the dreamy, impulsive, fearless rider -- whether he would put the barbarous Illyricans to the sword or show them mercy.  He showed true discrimination and statesmanship.  He punished the guilty but showed kindness to the innocent, and thus consolidated his power in the west.  This I construe to be the meaning of (Noble Verses) 18:86-87; otherwise these verses do not seem to be perfectly clear."  (Source)

     

    So clearly, Allah Almighty's description of the dark waters of the lands near the black sea is accurate, and the claim of the Iron Gates had been historically proven to be True!

    (click here for the Iron Gates details)

     

    All Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty!!

     

     

     

    Noble Verse 18:90:

    (a)-  MatliAAa VS mashriq clearly prove that Noble Verse 18:90 never declared that Dhul-Qarnayn reached the ends of the earth:

     

    It is first of all important to know that Noble Verses 18:83-110 are poetical and metaphorical, and not literal.  This is clearly seen in Allah Almighty's choice of words as clearly proven throughout this article.

    Notice in Noble Verse 18:90, Allah Almighty said "matliaaa alshshamsi" AND NOT "mashriqa alshshamsi".  This is very important because the Arabic words "sharq" and "gharb" which mean "east" and "west" respectively, are the root words for the sun's rising "mashriq alshams" and sun setting "maghrib alshams".   "Mashriq" is derived from "sharq" and "maghrib" is derived from "gharb".

    While "maghrib" was used in Noble Verse 18:86, but "mashriq" was never in Noble Verse 18:90!  The word "matliaaa" was used instead.  Like "balagha" (reached) as clearly proven below, "matliaaa" IS NOT a literal.  See the following sub-section for more proofs.  It is metaphoric.  The reason it is metaphoric is because this word is precisely used when good news or major events occur.  For instance, when Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, arrived to the city of Madina, the Muslims there sang the famous song "Talaaa al-badru aalyna", which means "The full moon has come up above us".


    Very important points and proofs:

    We must also know that since the sun rises upon all of the nations and tribes of this earth, as this was a known fact 1500 years ago, then one does not necessarily have to physically be near the physical location where the sun rises (going along with the flat-earth theory).  So "mashriq" wouldn't be suitable here, because it would mean that Dhul-Qarnayn went all the way to the far east after he was in the far west.

     

    Tuloo Al-Shams:

    Also, Allah Almighty used the root word "tuloo", which is what "matliaaa" is derived from, in the following Noble Verses:

    "Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising (tulooAAi) of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.  (The Noble Quran, 20:130)"

    "Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising (tulooAAi) of the sun and before (its) setting (alghuroobi).  (The Noble Quran, 50:39)"

    Again, the fact that the sun rises above all of the nations of this earth, then there is no question that "tuloo" is metaphoric and not literal since one does not need to be near the hole where the sun rises from (assuming that the Noble Quran embraces the flat-earth theory, which is bogus, because the Noble Quran declared that the earth is egg-shaped).

    By the way, "maghrib" is not literal either, because in Noble Verse 50:39 above, "alghuroobi" is a sister word of "maghrib" (both derived from the same root word "gharb" or "west"), and since the sun sets on every nation on earth, and one does not have to be physically near the hole where the sun sets in (again, assuming that the Noble Quran embraces the flat-earth theory, which is bogus, because the Noble Quran declared that the earth is egg-shaped), then this clearly means that Dhul-Qarnayn did not physically reach the setting of the sun, as further proven in the sections below, nor did the Noble Quran say that he went to the "ends of the earth"In fact, no where in the Noble Quran does the term "ends of the earth" exist!

    The fact that Allah Almighty never used the word "mashriq" instead of "matliaaa" proves:

    1-  Dhul-Qarnayn did not go to the "ends of the earth".

    2-  Allah Almighty specifically made it clear that Dhul-Qarnayn did not go to the far west where the sun sets and then went to the far east where the sun rises, since the word "mashriq" was never used in the Noble Verses.

    3-  Allah Almighty did use in OTHER Noble Verses "mashriq" and "sharq" when referring to places located in the east, and to the rising of the sun, in the Noble Quran.  See the following Noble Verses.

     

    Shorooq Al-Shams:

    "Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East (makanan sharqiyyan).  (The Noble Quran, 19:16)"

    "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west (la sharqiyyatin wala gharbiyyatin), whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His Light: God doth set forth Parables for men: and God doth know all things.  (The Noble Quran, 24:35)"

    "To God belong the east (almashriqu) and the West (waalmaghribu): Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of God. For God is all-Pervading, all-Knowing.  (The Noble Quran, 2:115)"

    "The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To God belong both east and West (lillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu): He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight.   (The Noble Quran, 2:142)"

    "It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West (qibala almashriqi waalmaghribi); but it is righteousness- to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and a dversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing.  (The Noble Quran, 2:177)"

    "Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because God had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is God that causeth the sun to rise from the east (almashriqi): Do thou then cause him to rise from the West (almaghribi)." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth God Give guidance to a people unjust.  (The Noble Quran, 2:258)"

    "(Moses) said: "Lord of the East (almashriqi) and the West (waalmaghribi), and all between! if ye only had sense!"  (The Noble Quran, 26:28)"

    "Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says (to his Qareen (Satan / devil companion)) "Would that between me and you were the distance of the two easts (almashriqayni)" a worst (type of) companion (indeed)!  (The Noble Quran, 43:38)"

    "(He is) Lord of the two Easts (almashriqayni) and Lord of the two Wests (almaghribayni)(The Noble Quran, 55:17)"

    "(He is) Lord of the East and the West (almashriqi waalmaghribi): there is no god but He: take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs.  (The Noble Quran, 73:9)"

    "It was We that made the hills declare, in unison with him, Our Praises, at eventide (bialAAashiyyi) and at break of day (waal-ishraqi),  (The Noble Quran, 38:18)"

    "(He is) Lord of the two Easts (almashriqayni) and Lord of the two Wests (almaghribayni)(The Noble Quran, 55:17)"

     

    So as we clearly see, Dhul-Qarnayn DID NOT go to the "ends of the earth" according to the Noble Quran!  He rather walked for a period of time and he met during the sun rising and sun setting some tribes.

     

     

    (b)-  No mention of Aayn or Hufra in this Noble Verse:


    "Until, when he came
    (balagha) to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.  (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"

    Notice here that Allah Almighty did not mention any spring (aayn) or hole/pit (hufra) that the sun came from.  This further proves:

    1-  Dhul-Qarnayn did not go to the "ends of the earth".

    2-  The earth doesn't have two "springs" and/or "holes" that it rises and sets through.


    In the sub-section below, "Balagha is used for time determination since clocks didn't exist back then!", we will see how "balagha" was used for determining time since clocks didn't exist back then.

    People determined time and date through the:

    1-  Sun.

    2-  Moon.

    3-  Lines in the sky (day breaks, even breaks, etc...).

    4-  Stars.

     

    Sun rise and sun set were another form of time determination.  It was one of the clocks 1500 year ago!

     

     

     

    Noble Verse 18:85, 89 & 92:

    (a)-  The speech in these Noble Verses:

    "Then followed he (another) way,  (The Noble Quran, 18:85)"

    "Then followed he (another) way,  (The Noble Quran, 18:89)"

    "Then followed he (another) way,  (The Noble Quran, 18:92)"


    The speech in Noble Verses 18:85,89 & 92 is clear that Dhul-Qarnayn walked or marched for short distances and did not go to the ends of the earth!  

    "thumma ittaba'a sababa", literally read as:

    thumma - then.

    ittaba'a - he walked; he followed; he proceeded.  It could also mean he continued to walk/follow/proceed.

    sababa - path; way; avenue.

    The text just doesn't at all say or refer to Dhul-Qarnayn going to the farthest western point on earth where the sun sets, and then he went back to the farthest eastern point on earth where the sun rises, and then went back somewhere in the middle and stopped at between two mountains!

    In fact, no where in any of the Noble Verses are the words "back" or "ends of the earth" mentioned!

     

    In fact, no where in the entire Noble Quran is "ends of the earth" mentioned!

     

     

     

     

      

    2-  "balagha" is metaphoric and "yudrik" is literal:


    (Click to play clip)

    Notice how the leader, in this video clip, and the soldiers were shouting "ADRIKOOHUM !!" (derived from yudrik),
    which means "go chase them down and bring them back".  It literally means go and physically reach
    them, while balagha, on the other hand, is used for time and metaphors.

     

    This section is divided into the following sub-sections:

    1-  Balagha is not literal.

    2-  Balagha is used for time determination since clocks didn't exist back then!

    3-  Yudrik and tudrik are literal.

    4-  Further proofs from the word "adraaka".

    5-  So why would GOD Almighty speak in such a complex and confusing way?

     

    Let us look at the following ample Noble Verses to set the record clear once and for all regarding the two Arabic words "balagha" and "yudrik".

     

     

    1-  Balagha is not literal!

    Let us look at the following Noble Verses:

    "Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "God is witness between me and you; This Quran hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I (Prophet Muhammad) may warn you and all whom it reaches (balagha). Can ye possibly bear witness that besides God there is another God?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."  (The Noble Quran, 6:19)"

    Here in this Noble Verse, the word balagha is referring to those men and women of mankind who will hear about the Noble Quran in their life.

     

    Obviously, Prophet Muhammad is not alive today to "warn" anyone!

    "Balagha" here is rather more symbolic and metaphoric!

     

    "When Joseph attained (balagha) His full manhood, We gave him power and knowledge: thus do We reward those who do right.  (The Noble Quran, 12:22)"

    Notice, no specific age or range of age was given.  "Balagha" here is rather a symbolic term that says that when Joseph became mature enough and grown enough, GOD Almighty then "gave him power and knowledge...."  Nothing physical was touched or reached by "balagha" in this Noble Verse.

     

    "But when the children among you come (balagha) of age, let them (also) ask for permission, as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.  (The Noble Quran, 24:59)"

    "When he reached (balagha) full age, and was firmly established (in life), We bestowed on him wisdom and knowledge: for thus do We reward those who do good.  (The Noble Quran, 28:14)"

    "Then, when (the son) reached (balagha) (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"   (The Noble Quran, 37:102)"

    Notice again in these Noble Verses, no specific age or range of age was given.  It is open, especially for Noble Verse 24:59, because it depends on the child's personality, gender, and the environment that he/she was raised in.  These factors will determine when his/her parents will decide on when he/she has "grown up".

     

    When the child is "grown up", then the rules would apply to him/her.

    No age limitation or restriction was given here.  Each child is different!

     

    "But when they reached (balagha) the Junction, they forgot (about) their Fish, which took its course through the sea (straight) as in a tunnel.  (The Noble Quran, 18:61)"

    "Until, when he reached (balagha) the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."  (The Noble Quran, 18:86)"

    "Until, when he came (balagha) to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"

    These three Noble Verses are talking about physical places in unspecified locations.

     

    "Until, when he reached (balagha) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.  (The Noble Quran, 18:93)"

    Again, this Noble Verse is talking about Dul-Qarnayn reaching a random spot in a land where people lived in a land that expanded between two vast mountains.  He didn't necessarily, at first, reach where they were living.  Notice "he found, beneath them...."  So Dhul-Qarnayn was some where up there on one of the mountains looking down at the village or the town or country side that the people lived in.

     

    "We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. At length, when he reaches (balagha) the age of full strength and attains (balagha) forty years, he says, "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly do I bow (to Thee) in Islam."  (The Noble Quran, 46:15)"

    In this Noble Verse, Allah Almighty first Said that when the man reaches the full age (the same exact Arabic Words for in Noble Verses 12:22 and 28:14 (balagha ashuddah)), and then becomes 40 years old.  While "balagha" here is used for the exact reaching of the age of 40, but the context that it was used in the Noble Verse is that when the man reaches his full age and reaches 40 years old and beyond, he will be more thankful to GOD Almighty and to his parents, because he will most probably be a father with growing children then, and he will appreciate the role that his parents played when they raised him, and the hardship that they went through from emotions (caring for him and worrying about him getting hurt) and physical hardship (his mother beast-feeding him in the middle of the night, and his father working hard to provide for him).

    So even in this Noble Verse, "balagha" is used more symbolically than literally.

     

    2-  Balagha is used for time determination since clocks didn't exist back then!

    When people spoke of time and time determination, such as what time to perform a prayer from the 5-daily Prayers, they relied mostly and heavily on:

    1-  The sun.  Dawn for instance was the time for the morning prayer.

    2-  The pink or reddish line in the sky determined the evening daily prayer and the ending of the Ramadan fasting for the day.

    3-  The moon determined the start of night.

    And so on....

    The word "balagha" when referring to any heavenly object was mainly used for determining the time of the day.  For instance, when the Muslims talk about the pink or reddish line in the sky appearing so that they can start the evening daily prayer and end the fasting during the holy month of Ramadan, they say a phrase such as:

    "Balagha al-khattu al-ahmar haddah", which means "The red line has reached its limit"

    Of course, the phrase can be different from person to person, but the word "balagha" would be mainly used for such time determination, because again, clocks did not exist 1500 years ago.

    So balagha, maghrib al-shams, and matliAAa al-shams in Noble Verses 18:86 & 90, were referring to the time in the day that Dhul-Qarnayn reached the mentioned places, and not the actual physical places themselves, because the sun via its rising and setting is used for time determination.

    Now as to the two mountains in Noble Verse 18:93, that is probably literal (although even in this Noble Verse balagha here is giving a very general place and not a specific location), because the words "between two mountains" are referring to an actual place that Dhul-Qarnayn finally arrived to and not a metaphoric one.

     

    3-  Yudrik and tudrik are literal!

    Let us look at the following Noble Verses and set of Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad):

    "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up (tudrik) the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (falak) (according to Law).  (The Noble Quran, 36:40)"

    "It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (falak)(The Noble Quran, 21:33)"

    The Prophet, peace be upon him, was asked if the sun and the moon would ever collide while they are rising and setting above the earth.  Allah Almighty responded to them by Saying that neither the sun will ever catch up with the moon, nor will the moon ever catch up with the sun.  On the contrary, each one of them is swimming in its own orbit (falak)!  They are not on the same orbit (falak). 

    Of course, on Judgement Day, things will be different, and all of the stars and the planets will explode and collide with each others as Allah Almighty Said:

    "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it.  (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

    "Nay! When the earth is pounded to powder,  (The Noble Quran, 89:21)"

    "And the earth is moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder at one stroke,(The Noble Quran, 69:14)"

    It is predicted in the Noble Quran that the earth will be pounded with asteroids (a nuclear attack from outer space) before Judgement Day and its mountains will be leveled to a flat crushed sand.

     

    "No vision can grasp (tudrik-hu) Him, but His grasp (yudrik) is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.  (The Noble Quran, 6:103)"

    Here in this Noble Verse, the visions of GOD Almighty's creations can not see Him, but He, the Almighty, can see all.  This is literal and not metaphoric.

     

    ""Wherever ye are, death will find you out (yudrikkumu), even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!" If some good befalls them, they say, "This is from God"; but if evil, they say, "This is from thee" (O Prophet). Say: "All things are from God." But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact?  (The Noble Quran, 4:78)"

    Here in this Noble Verse, Allah Almighty is saying that no one can escape death!  Again, this is literal and not metaphoric.

     

    "He who forsakes his home in the cause of God, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious: Should he die (yudrik-hu almawtu) as a refugee from home for God and His Apostle, His reward becomes due and sure with God: And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.  (The Noble Quran, 4:100)"

    Again, death in this Noble Verse is literal and not metaphoric.

     

    There is no question that "yudrik" and "tudrik" are literal while "balagha" above is metaphoric!

     

     

    4-  Further proofs from the word "adraaka":

    The Arabic word "adraaka", which means to come to complete comprehension or to fully know, is derived from the root word "idraak", which also the words "yudrik" and "tudrik" above are derived from.  "idraak" literally means to reach the complete knowledge of or to reach the end of.  Also, another root word that is equal to "idraak" is "adraka", which means the same thing.

    Some examples of adraka:

    1-  George finally adraka (realized; comprehended; reached the reality of) that he was wrong!

    2-  When the lion adraka (got a hold of; reached) his prey, he killed it and began to eat it!

    3-  The American soldiers adrakoo (plural of adraka) Saddam Hussein's fox hole that he was hiding in, and they arrested him after that.

    4-  The British civilian jet balaghat the US' air space from the international waters over the Atlantic ocean.

    Here no specific location is given regarding the airplane.  All we know is that the airplane was detected by the Radar or Satellite and that it is now over the US space (either water or soil) in general.  While the radar can certainly pin point the airplane, but the Arabic word balaghat here is used for general and unspecified location.


    5-  (Sorry for this insensible example.  I certainly do not mean to be inconsiderate to the American reader especially my dear American Muslim brothers and sisters, but rather I am trying to prove a point)

    The hijacked airplane adrakat the south tower of the world trade center building on 9/11/2001!

    Here balaghat would be grammatically WRONG!  Adrakat is the proper word because we are now pin pointing an exact location where the airplane flew to.  We do not even need to say that the airplane crashed into the building, because Arabic is a poetical language, and adrakat here in this sentence would suffice that, because adrakat is for precise reachings while balaghat is for general ones that would also include symbolic and metaphoric ones.

     

    Notice again that we do not even need to say that the airplane crashed into the building!

     

    In the Arabic grammar, the word "balagha" can not be substituted in the above sentences, because it would be grammatically wrong.  "balagha" is not literal. 

    1-  I can't say the lion balagha his prey when I am trying to say that he hunted it down. 

    2-  I can't say that the American soldiers "balaghoo" (plural of balagha) Saddam Hussein when I am referring to an actual physical confrontation and arrest.

    3-  I can't say that George "balagha" that he was wrong.

    etc...

    Same thing with Noble Verses 18:86, 18:90, 18:93 above about the rising and setting of the sun.  Because Allah Almighty used the word "balagha" in all of them and not "adraka" or any word derived from it such as "yudrik", then it is quite clear that the speech is metaphoric and not literal.

    That is why Allah Almighty used the word "tudrik", not balagha, in Noble Verse 36:40 above when He addressed the question about the sun and the moon ever colliding with each others!

     

    Colliding is a physical event, not symbolic!

     

    Again, I renew my challenge:

    If the sun literally set in a murky lake or sea or ocean, then this means that it would have to stay inside that body of water for the night and rise the next morning from the WEST, not the EAST!

     

    Have the sun ever risen from the west?  No!

     

     

    Let us look at the following Noble verses:

    "And what will make thee realise (adraaka) what the Sure Reality is?  (The Noble Quran, 69:3)"

    "And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what Hell-Fire is?   (The Noble Quran, 74:27)"

    "And what will explain to thee(adraaka) what is the Day of Sorting out?  (The Noble Quran, 77:14)"

    "Again, what will explain to thee (adraaka) what the Day of Judgment is?  (The Noble Quran, 82:18)"

    "And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what the (Day) of Noise and Clamour is?  (The Noble Quran, 101:3)"

    In these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty is referring to the the literal knowledge about the Day of Judgement , its timing and the details of events that will take place in it.  The Prophet, peace be upon him, was asked several times about the Day of Judgement and it will come.  Allah Almighty responded by saying that only Him, the Almighty, Know when Judgement Day will come, and what the details of it will be.   Notice how "adraaka" is used for literal events and not metaphoric ones.


    "Day! Surely the record of the wicked is (preserved) in Sijjin. And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what Sijjin is? (There is) a Register (fully) inscribed. Woe, that Day, to those that deny-  (The Noble Quran, 83:7-10)"

    "Day, verily the record of the Righteous is (preserved) in 'Illiyin. And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what 'Illiyun is? (There is) a Register (fully) inscribed,  (The Noble Quran, 83:18-20)"

    In these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty is talking about the actual records that keep track of every person's deeds.  Allah Almighty further said in the Noble Quran:

    "Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!  And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.  (The Noble Quran, 99:7-8)"

    He, the Almighty, also said:

    "In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Quran,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record.   (The Noble Quran, 10:61)"

    "There is no moving creature on earth but its sustenance dependeth on God: He knoweth the time and place of its definite abode and its temporary deposit: All is in a clear Record.  (The Noble Quran, 11:6)"

    "Knowest thou not that God knows all that is in heaven and on earth? Indeed it is all in a Record, and that is easy for God.   (The Noble Quran, 22:70)"

    "Nor is there aught of the unseen, in heaven or earth, but is (recorded) in a clear record.  (The Noble Quran, 27:75)"

    "The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:  (The Noble Quran, 34:3)"

    "And the Earth will shine with the Glory of its Lord: the Record (of Deeds) will be placed (open); the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forward and a just decision pronounced between them; and they will not be wronged (in the least).  (The Noble Quran, 39:69)"

    "Every matter, small and great, is on record.  (The Noble Quran, 54:53)"

    "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We bring it into existence: That is truly easy for God:  (The Noble Quran, 57:22)"

    "Then he that will be given his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here! Read ye my Record!  (The Noble Quran, 69:19)"

    "And he that will be given his Record in his left hand, will say: "Ah! Would that my Record had not been given to me!   (The Noble Quran, 69:25)"

    "And all things have We preserved on record.  (The Noble Quran, 78:29)"

     

    Further more with "adraaka":

    "By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);- And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what the Night-Visitant is?- (It is) the Star of piercing brightness;- There is no soul but has a protector over it. Now let man but think from what he is created!  (The Noble Quran, 86:1-5)"

    "And shown him the two highways? But he hath made no haste on the path that is steep. And what will explain to thee (adraaka) the path that is steep?- (It is:) freeing the bondman; Or the giving of food in a day of privation. To the orphan with claims of relationship, Or to the indigent (down) in the dust. Then will he be of those who believe, and enjoin patience, (constancy, and self-restraint), and enjoin deeds of kindness and compassion. Such are the Companions of the Right Hand. But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand. On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).  (The Noble Quran, 90:10-20)"

    "We have indeed revealed this (Message) in the Night of Power: And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what the night of power is? The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand: Peace!...This until the rise of morn!  (The Noble Quran, 97:1-5)This is a blessed day during the Fasting Month of Ramadan when the Noble Quran was first revealed to Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

    "But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light,- Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit. And what will explain to thee (adraaka) what this is? (It is) a Fire Blazing fiercely!  (The Noble Quran, 101:8-12)"

    "Woe to every (kind of) scandal-monger and-backbiter, Who pileth up wealth and layeth it by, Thinking that his wealth would make him last for ever! By no means! He will be sure to be thrown into That which Breaks to Pieces, And what will explain to thee (adraaka) That which Breaks to Pieces? (It is) the Fire of (the Wrath of) God kindled (to a blaze), The which doth mount (Right) to the Hearts: It shall be made into a vault over them, In columns outstretched.  (The Noble Quran, 104:1-9)"

    Notice again in these Noble Verses and in all of the Noble Verses above that used the Noble Word "adraaka", Allah Almighty used "adraaka" in literal sense.   The details of Hell Fire, Judgement Day, the Records of Deeds, the Night of Power, etc..., all of these are literal events and objects that GOD Almighty Created for and against Mankind.

     

    There is no question that "adraaka", like "yudrik" and "tudrik", is literal and not metaphoric or symbolic!

     

     

    5-  Were the Gog and Magog in (18:93-101) a tribe of the nation of Gog and Magog, or were they the entire nation?

    Were the Gog and Magog a small group of them, or were they the entire nation in Noble Verses 18:93-101?  It is clear that they were a small tribe/group of them that was wicked, and perhaps full of bullying and trouble, dishonesty, and nuisance to peace.  And it seems that the main route between them and the town that Dhul-Qarnayn had reached was between the two mountains, which Dhul-Qarnayn had sealed with the Iron Gates.

      

      

      

    3-  Further clear-cut proofs from the moon in the Noble Quran!

    The moon and what people thought about the moon, 1500 years ago, further proves that Noble Verses 18:86 and 18:90 are metaphoric and not literal.  Let us consider the following analysis:

    1-  No where is it documented that people in Arabia used to think that the moon would set in a hole on earth.  People always viewed it as a planet that went around the earth.

    2-   When solar eclipses occur, the moon comes exactly in front of the sun and covers its light.  This means that the sun is farther than the moon.  In fact, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, knew about the solar eclipses:

    Narrated Asma' bint Abu Bakr: "The Prophet ordered us to free slaves at the time of solar eclipses.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 695)"

    Narrated Abu Bakra: "The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state,"  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 676)"


    Allah Almighty also talked about the eclipse of the moon in the Noble Quran:

    "And the moon is eclipsed.  (The Noble Quran, 75:8)"

     

    3-   When Allah Almighty spoke about the moon in the Noble Quran, He said that it is swimming in its own orbit (falak).  He Said the same about the sun:

    "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up (tudrik) the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (falak) (according to Law).  (The Noble Quran, 36:40)"

    "It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (falak)(The Noble Quran, 21:33)"

    The Prophet, peace be upon him, was asked if the sun and the moon would ever collide while they are rising and setting above the earth.  Allah Almighty responded to them by Saying that neither the sun will ever catch up with the moon, nor will the moon ever catch up with the sun.  On the contrary, each one of them is swimming in its own orbit (falak)!  They are not on the same orbit (falak). 

    Of course, on Judgement Day, things will be different, and all of the stars and the planets will explode and collide with each others as Allah Almighty Said:

    "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it.  (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

    "Nay! When the earth is pounded to powder,  (The Noble Quran, 89:21)"

    "And the earth is moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder at one stroke,(The Noble Quran, 69:14)"

    It is predicted in the Noble Quran that the earth will be pounded with asteroids (a nuclear attack from outer space) before Judgement Day and its mountains will be leveled to a flat crushed sand.

    4-   If Allah Almighty truly Said that the sun sets on earth in Noble Verses 18:86 and 18:90, then this means that the MOON TOO SETS ON EARTH!

     

    Show me where in the Noble Quran did Allah Almighty declare that the moon sets on earth!

     

    On the contrarary regarding the moon, Allah Almighty Said that the moon's orbit is S-shaped around the earth, which is what science today confirmed.

     

     

     

     

    4-  The Prophecies of the Iron Gates did come true, and the Iron Gates were found!

    To further support my proofs above, it is important to know that the Iron Gates were found, and the description that the Noble Quran Gave perfectly matched their geographic location.  I have detailed explanations and proofs about this in the following article:

    The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran.

     

     

     

     

    5-  The Miracles and Prophecies of the Noble Quran which prove its Divinity:

     

    Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm.

     


     

    6-  Conclusion:

    Given the fact that the Noble Verses in question could have both possibilities of a literal and figurative speech (see examples of Noble Verses) interpretations, and given the fact that the Prophecies in the Noble Verses were fulfilled, and the Iron Gates that were only mentioned in the Noble Quran and not in any other book such as the Bible were found, we can only conclude that the Divine Speech was indeed Figurative and not Literal.

    Otherwise, the critics would have to explain to us why the sun, that supposedly literally set inside the murky spring, never rose back up again from the west?   How come the sun never bounced back and forth between the west and the east in its risings and settings?

    And what about the moon?  How come it never set in any murky water in the Noble Quran?  On the contrary, Allah Almighty Said that the moon's orbit is S-shaped around the earth, which is what science today confirmed.

    And why should we accept only the Literal Speech interpretation, when the Noble Quran is FILLED with ample Figurative Speech in it?  (click here)

    Why can't the above Noble Verses be another set of Figurative Noble Verses??

     

     

     

    7-  Articles on other web sites explaining Noble Verses 18:86 and 18:90:

    http://bismikaallahuma.org/Quran/Commentary/q18-86.htm

    http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/zul-qarnain.html

    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016622&pagename=IslamOnline-
    English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

    An article by brother Kasem Suleiman.  An Arabic article in PDF format.

    The sun's rising and setting POINTS on earth, mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science.

     

     

     

     

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    The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.

    The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle.

    Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".

    The Earth is round according to Islam.

    The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around itself.

    Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

    Rebuttals to Avijit Roy articles.

    The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran.


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