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Offline Isa27James

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I have a tough question
« on: December 16, 2013, 05:30:20 AM »
Assalam alykam

i am diving into a deep question


the tittles father and son of God  and God used in the previous nations were permissible  and we know them to be symbolical or metaphorical   

my question is why would Allah  give room for these terms to be misused  ???

and start a whole new belief that Jesus is the son of God

I know and you know it means servant

There are passages in the bible when Allah speaks to David  now the word beggoten is used but in Quran Allah does not use this

what is the correct translation and again it leaves room to  have some belief that God is a father and he has children   

King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."


CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND MORE  AND ALSO THE CORRECT TRANSLATION
 

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Re: I have a tough question
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 05:50:20 AM »
Salam

To me, I do not necessarily see any problem is Allah using allegorical language when speaking to His Prophets and people. It adds a certain beauty to revelation and if later people mis-interpret them, then that's their problem!

As regarding Matthew 3:17, please see

http://muslimcommentaryofbible.wordpress.com/contents-of-a-muslims-commentary-of-the-bible/20-the-baptism-of-jesus/

If anything is unclear, please let me know.

Jazak Allah

Syed

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Re: I have a tough question
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 11:58:28 AM »
Like now we can not use father or son of God to describe God or prophet or someone close to God

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Re: I have a tough question
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 01:16:55 PM »
Assalam alykam

i am diving into a deep question

the tittles father and son of God  and God used in the previous nations were permissible  and we know them to be symbolical or metaphorical   

my question is why would Allah  give room for these terms to be misused  ???

and start a whole new belief that Jesus is the son of God

I know and you know it means servant

There are passages in the bible when Allah speaks to David  now the word beggoten is used but in Quran Allah does not use this

what is the correct translation and again it leaves room to  have some belief that God is a father and he has children   

King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND MORE  AND ALSO THE CORRECT TRANSLATION

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Isa27James,

The "Son of GOD" and GOD Almighty being the "Father" had been addressed here dear brother: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203


FRIENDS = SONS:

In fact, we further read the following in the Bible:

Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.


So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

[002:257] Allah is the friend and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.


So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

1-  Is the Protector.
2-  Is the Friend.
3-  Is the Guardian.

Again dear brother, please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203


BEGET = CHOSE:

Regarding the above quote:

Quote
King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

[027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

[003:033] God did choose ] اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

[003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

[007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

[022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

[035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

[038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

[039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

2-  Wali - Guardian.

In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

[005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203

Take care,
Osama Abdallah