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a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« on: June 14, 2016, 07:57:43 PM »
he used this as evidence More proof that Mohammed was gay: Musnad Ahmad 12237:
He (muhammad) crepy unawares behind him (Zahir) and hugged him.The man said,"get off me"who is this?". Then he turned his head and discovered that it was the prophet. So he proceeded to push his back into the prophet's chest when he recognized him.
Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.
According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest—prayers and blessings upon him."
Sunan Abu Dawud 5224(one of the six canonical hadith collections)
"The prophet lift up his shirt so he (the man) hugged him and kiss his torso (from his belly button to his armpits)".
the same story has been repeated by Dawud 1669:
"..My father sought permission from prophet. (when permission was granted), he entered between him and his shirt and began to kiss him and embrace him.." 

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 08:32:26 PM »
The first hadith you quoted is not from an authentic hadith book, sahih bukhari or sahih muslim. You quoted a melacious hadith that is not from the character of prophet muhammad(pbuh), there are many hadith that were created from enemies of allah to attack islam and prophet muhammad(pbuh). Also in regards to quotation from abu dawud regards to the man giving a kiss and embracing, looking at the full text : Buhaysah reported on the authority of his father:

My father sought permission from the Prophet (ﷺ). (When permission was granted and he came near him) he lifted his shirt, and began to kiss him and embrace him (out of love for him). He asked: Messenger of Allah, what is the thing which it is unlawful to refuse? He replied: Water. He again asked: Prophet of Allah, what is the thing which it is unlawful to refuse? He replied: Salt. He again asked: Prophet of Allah, what is the thing which it is unlawful to refuse? He said: To do good is better for you.


We can see there is no homosexuality but rather the man seeked audience to ask questions. Also regarding kissing embracing is a common arabic tradition of cultural communication. Where arab men kiss each other cheek or forehead as sign of respect and humility.

These are weak attempts to attack prophet muhammad's character. Also keep in mind that allah detests homosexuality, as he has mentioned in quran regarding the people of sodom and prophet lut(pbuh). These lies hold no weight what so ever.

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 09:17:06 PM »
Evidence that musnad ahmad is a fabricated hadith book:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musnad_Ahmad_ibn_Hanbal

" Certain Hanbali scholars, such as Abu'l-Faraj ibn al-Jawzi claimed that the Musnad contains hadiths that are fabricated by interpolation (i.e. the narrator jumbling up information, mixing texts and authoritative chains), which were said to be nine Hadiths by some, or fifteen Hadiths by some others. However, it is agreed that the hadith that are suspected to be fabricated are not new hadiths that are creations of a dubious narrator's imagination.[2]"


This proves that musnad ahmad hadiths are not trustworthy... hope this helps.

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 12:01:03 AM »
The prophet is emitting blessings hence why there will be many narrations in hadith of people trying to gain blessings thru many means

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 09:37:10 AM »
People in public flock the prophet to attain blessings by kissing feet, hand and seal on body.

http://sunnah.com/abudawud/43
And from the link above you can see, they omitted lines describing the event happening in public.

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 a man of the Ansar, said that while he was given to jesting and was talking to the people and making them laugh
, the Prophet (ﷺ) poked him under the ribs with a stick. He said: Let me take retaliation. He said: Take retaliation. He said: You are wearing a shirt but I am not. The Prophet (ﷺ) then raised his shirt and the man embraced him and began to kiss his side

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2016, 09:11:20 AM »
Why defend the deceased against a claim that is not offensive? I see nothing wrong with a preacher being gay, or straight, or bisexual. Let us not judge people by their sexual orientation!

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2016, 03:39:13 AM »
Why defend the deceased against a claim that is not offensive? I see nothing wrong with a preacher being gay, or straight, or bisexual. Let us not judge people by their sexual orientation!

You see nothing wrong with a preacher being  gay, or straight, or bisexual? It seems to me that you have been brainwashed by the media? If you are not Muslim or do not have a religion, what defines morals for you? Nothing but the media. This is why the media promotes atheism so much, they are the easiest to brainwash! Here are some reasons why it is incorrect (the true first reason why, is that Allah(SWT) forbade it, so who are you to say otherwise and to disobey?)
1. You're more likely to get STDs and STIs
2. You can't reporoduce, everyone should reproduce, unless if they are unable to.
3. You think it is okay that you do anal intercourse? It is against human nature. Or fellatios to same gender?
4. What are the roles in the house? In a normal marriage, there are roles for both the male and the female, what about in gay marriage?
5. What can 2 woman do together in bed without any "toys"?
6. God forbade it, and god knows more about us than we know about ourselves, and god will only tell us to do something which is best for us.
7. Intercourse would extremely hurt for the back passage for a recieving male

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 02:10:29 AM »
1. You're more likely to get STDs and STIs

Rates of STIs are also higher in Africa and the Middle East. The reason for that is not the reason you think. The eugenicist corporatocracy caused companies like Bayer to knowingly sell HIV positive needles. Basically, anybody who wasn't a straight, white male was denied services like health care or contraception.

2. You can't reporoduce, everyone should reproduce, unless if they are unable to.

This is coming from your own personal worldview that "everyone should reproduce". Actually, this isn't even your own personal worldview. This is part of the pro-capitalist religious agenda and is also the reason why abortions/birth control are frowned upon. If you look at a food chain, the most vicious of predatory species exist fewest in number, at the top of the chain, and owe their existence to the large numbers of the people at the very bottom. This is how capitalism works. As for my personal views on the matter, I am pro-choice, I believe that you should reproduce, unless you do not wish to.

3. You think it is okay that you do anal intercourse? It is against human nature. Or fellatios to same gender?

Human beings are sexual beings. We crave sex all the time, it's one of the defining characteristics of our lives. As for your human nature argument, homosexuality, as well as anal intercourse, has been documented in various species occuring in nature. Homosexuals have existed before Islam, before Christianity and the Bible, before organized religion too, as a matter of fact.

4. What are the roles in the house? In a normal marriage, there are roles for both the male and the female, what about in gay marriage?

By your definition of a "normal" marriage, the "roles" that you talk about are mere constructs of society made to benefit the ruling classes alone and seldom represent the individual wants/needs. We have already changed most of that (for example, we no longer believe that God is okay with selling your daughter to slavery).

5. What can 2 woman do together in bed without any "toys"?

Honestly, I do not think discussing this will further the discussion any. If you really want to find out, search some videos on the internet.

6. God forbade it, and god knows more about us than we know about ourselves, and god will only tell us to do something which is best for us.

"God" only forbade it in three out of all of the thousands of religions that have existed since man.

7. Intercourse would extremely hurt for the back passage for a recieving male

Then don't do it!

I fail to see how this statement would either promote or reject support for homosexuality. Do you really think heterosexual intercourse doesn't hurt women?

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Re: a christian said that muhammad saw was gay
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 11:33:51 AM »
also such claim is also like saying the prophet lived in the West where gay lesbians are given freedom to have their rights practised in public.