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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 09:58:31 AM »
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a law giver liken to prophet Moses (pbuh). Nevertheless the number count of death punishment onto the tribes Qurayza for breaching their treatee was much less than the punishment carried out by prophet Moses.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/banu_quraiza_stuff.htm

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 09:42:23 PM »
Moses was commanded by god, Muhammad was not, even trying to make hims

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2017, 10:51:00 PM »
Well it all depends on ur BELIEF

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2017, 11:09:28 PM »
Moses was commanded by god, Muhammad was not, even trying to make hims


Hahahahahahahaha! Okay, you're saying that God ordered Moses to kill civilians except virgin girls, right?

Wow, you refuse to condemned Moses or Yahweh for killing civilians. Double standard!


 

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2017, 11:14:53 PM »
Then you have just refute your own article. Your logic is that if Yhwh commands it, then its okay to massacre massive amount of lives.

If your read the story of  Battle of Bani Qurayza, they were commanded to perform battle with Bani Qurayza. Which in the end will  result in deaths as well.

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2017, 11:33:05 PM »
R u absolutely kidding g me, the so called refuttation he mentions of my work is so pathetic that it should be throwing out into garbage can for just being so sporadic and not related. The only thing that I could any related that he tried to refute my work with was this:

[1]Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

[6]I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

[7]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.



That is so pathetic the verse 6 and 7 prove Even more it was prophet Muhammad pbuhas, because the Jews called Arabs gentiles, prophet muhmad pbuh became the light for the gentiles and brought them out of darkness and freed prisonors.

It kinda sucks this guy spoiled my next work, I was going to come up with material next about how Isaiah 42 has more verses that show clearly it is prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Also note he is not looking at Hebrew At All, he keeps accepting the false misinterpretation and thinks it refutes it.  Lol!!! Pathetic

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2017, 12:07:13 AM »
The most important thing to note, he got the whole theme of the work wrong. He started out getting completely the wrong points about the work. He keeps using English when the work is in Hebrew. he aprently does not have a basic understanding about Christian history that DSS was originally in Hebrew and I found and other brothers have found this evidence in the Original language, English was a translation, also I mentioned that that it was a misinterpretation that it was changed to "whom I uphold" u can clearly see that. Since the translators retaine both Ahmed and Ahmch. Thus "whom I uphold" was translated from their own decision. Also BTW I already typed in "whom I uphold" translation from English to Hebrew it does not come out to אחמה, "whom I uphold" comes out to על מי אני.


Also remember it was brother Idris who first found this descovered in the original written DSS, he confirmed it by Rabi Abrahamson. Also that Rabi Abrahamson did acknowledge that is indeed possible. Also Christian's agree that Jews did corrupt their text by altering words. Then how I do not see what the problem they are having. I think this guy is playing a double standard game.


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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2017, 12:40:20 AM »
Oops! Typical Muslim argument assuming on something then concluding it as fact. So what if Arabs are gentiles and Muhammad leads them? Are we not gentiles and jesus leads us?
He boasts of Hebrew subject, but inconsiderate of his conclusion that kaf should be dalet by mere presumption! Unscholarly method!
WHICH I UPHOLD is not an invention bec it is correct definition for the hebrew used TAMAK accdg to strongs numbers 1890 dictionary of kjv. If you can see older dictionary then please!

As you can see by a source, it said, difference in spelling cannot change its meaning! Thus even, if kaf is a wrong letter, it still retains its meaning, the arrogance is, assuming what could have been the right letter.

You dont need to know hebrew to be logical!
YOURS IS A GUESS!

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 12:44:28 AM »
The Hebrew tamak means, sustain, hold up, take up etc...

That is 1890 STRONGS... provide an older dictionary!

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 12:47:14 AM »
DEAD SEA SCROLLS have vowels. Did you removed the vowels in your attempt to prove Ahmed? What were the vowels you omitted?

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 12:59:51 AM »
R u that intellectually challenged ask any scholar vowels make absolutely no difference of the word.

The reason why I removed it is because translators do not use them thus they get in the way of translations. So u seriously are very pathetic.

Apparently u do not understand simple logic. Names are not suppose to be translated. Both Ahmed and Atmch are both names because the translation becomes retained. Since names are suppose to be translated. Also even the translation of that name is wrong. As I mentioned above. It was not a guess. And even I mentioned brother Idris confirmed this by Rabi Abrahamson.

So I do not see how u have any rebuttal to this. When a prominent Hebrew scholars admits that Ahmed definitely could be correct.

Also note u said that change of letter would not change the meaning. Why? It's obvious because it is in the Quran a scripture that came later that tells of Ahmed being mentioned. The Jews at the time of the original Isaiah scrolls had no idea who Ahmed was.

Also tell me why we're the Jews living in Madina? Why where they living in hejaz.


I will explain from ur own source. After this u will see Indeed very clearly that Isaiah 42 speaks of prophet Muhammad pbuh:


Isaiah(42:11)
New International Version
Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops



The wilderness it is talking about is wilderness of Paran(arabia). The Mountain Sela it is talking about is the Mount Sela in Madina.

Do u still need more evidence.

It is clear u do not seek truth because I presented this to other intelligent Christian's and they were at least honest and admitted this was clear that prophet Muhammad pbuh is the last messenger. (No I will not tell u the name of the Christian I know in my real life, nor do I care what ur opinion on it would be, but I do pray he becomes a Muslim inshallah)

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2017, 01:01:12 AM »
CORRECTION: NAMES ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE TRANSLATED.

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2017, 01:03:32 AM »
BTW did Jesus ever go to Paran? No I don't think so. Did any prophet ever go to Madina the land where Mount sila is at. I don't think so. Yes indeed the entire ISAIAH 42 IS ABSOLUTLY talking about prophet muhammad, buddy there are too many verses that are in reference to the Islamic history in Isaiah 42. So sorry ur so called refuttation is rebuked. Have a nice day and lose ur double standard.

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Re: REBUTTAL AGAINST BANU QURAISHA MASSACRE'S JUSTIFICATION!
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2017, 01:10:26 AM »
Yes! Jesus would go to paran and Medina to kedar to Saudi Arabia as prophesied THIS GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED TO ALL NATION BEFORE THE END,
thus logically, Christianity would enter Saudi openly.
What name translation are you talking about?

 

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