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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Sure 6 Verse 14
« on: Today at 03:40:00 AM »
in sura 6 verse 14 stands

Say, “Shall I choose as a supporter someone other than Allah, Who is the Originator of the heavens and the earth and Who feeds and does not need to eat?” Say, “I have been ordered to be the first to submit myself (to Him), and O people, do not be of the polytheists.”



God was teaching the messenger on how to be firmed with the polytheists. When interacting with Arab polytheists, the messenger will definitely say he is awwal since none among the polytheist receive any command prior to the messenger.

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What we can see here from the image is the belief of Roman Christians during the Council of Nicae era (early 4th century) depicted through the sculptures on the coffin. The sculptures resonate the stories from passages about Jesus during the Nicene period after selecting the canonical or sacred scriptures which is true to the Nicae decree.

It is interesting to note that one of the ancient roman God (Ariel) is used to depict angels or loving creature in show in the sculptures.





The Roman Christians interpreted that God are of 3 divine men of equal status. God the Spirit. God the Father. God the Logos (before manifesting as infant Jesus inside the womb) as shown in the sculptures. This is most probably due to their encounter with the so called 'Old' Testament stating that Adam was created from the image of God. With such custom belief for a millennia that that ancient Gods were human looking, they easily interpreted the verse from the passage likewise to what they were accustom with.

If we look at Adam's figure  (in 1st image). Its exactly sculptured like that of God the Father minus the beard. Which means the genital in between Adam's thigh which is covered by the leaf (refer image) too was inherited from God the Father. Christians may perceive that the function of such bodily part shall be dissimilar for divine men as opposed to created men.



Image of Ancient Roman Gods Prometheus sculpturing man. Athena breathe in soul. (3rd century scuplture)

For ancient Romans, having a new belief in Christianity or accepting doctrine of 3 male looking Gods in one equal stature regarded as the one creator of mankind would be not much of a reform to their culture en masses. Afterall, its still the same male God with male beard, wearing clothing that created mankind.

The teaching of Christianity of having men looking Gods made the religion to be acceptable to the standard of ancient Romans of that era.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Noah
« on: August 01, 2021, 06:58:20 AM »
Is Noah's flood local or global? I know that you say it is local because why would Allah punish all nations just for one nation? However, the Quran seems to suggest that the flood was global.

Is Noah's flood local or global? I know that you say it is local because why would Allah punish all nations just for one nation? However, the Quran seems to suggest that the flood was global.

If flood was local, the river and sea level had rose beyond the tallest mountain within Noah's (pbuh) nation. That means the other side of planet experienced recede in water level.

If flood was global, then water level around the globe will just rose to the extent where the tallest mountain in Noah's nation submerged. Still other parts of world higher than the said mountain would not be affected at all.

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But I think the Christians have to be religious at least, don't they? Anyway, do all Christians clean the blood of their meat? Because most Christians are not religious.

This raises another question: Do the People of the Book sacrifice their meat pronouncing the name of God? Even if they did, the Jews' god is the same as our god but the Christians' god is not the same as ours! Only 1/3 of their god is the same as ours! I know that your article said the trinity existed during the Prophet's times but the Verses in Surah Anaam say to eat meat sacrificed only in God's name. I understand why the meat sacrificed by the Jews would be Halal (because their god and ours is the same) but I don't understand why the Christians meat would be Halal (because they have 2 more gods and Surah Anaam says to only eat meat sacrificed in God's name!)


Christian nations used to be religious before modernization. Also Christians in Arabia back then used the name Allah. Then you can eat it the slaughtered food.
They believe in Allah that either appear as human or produces son on earth.

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