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Update from Osama Abdallah:

Fearing that brother Idris' invaluable images throughout this thread would eventually get deleted from the websites that he linked them from, I went ahead and backed up this entire thread to the following link:  (all images)

Other related threads by brother Idris:

The names Ahmed and Mohammed in Jewish document that predates Prophet Mohammed ?,2304.msg10493.html#msg10493

Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?,1996.msg8197.html#msg8197

Historical proof of Mecca existence B.C.,2254.msg9964.html#msg9964

May Allah Almighty bless brother Idris for his invaluable research and work.  Ameen.

End of Update.

Salam Aleykom,

I have observed some strange things in the so-called Great Isaiah Scroll. I'll put the first photo and just tell me what you can notice:

Salam Aleykom,

accidently I came acroos this stupid video:

What we, muslims have to say about that ? Personally, I think it is impossible! There is many hadith proving that Muhammad was honest, truthfull etc. and even his enemies supported such claim, but the case from the video above is untypical ! Can someone refute this ? Please, watch it until the end.

Djazakum Allahu khayran my brothers and sisters

Salam Aleykom,

Do we have an explanation to the hadiths about killing apostates posted below ?:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

- Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

- Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash`ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'O Abu Musa (O `Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or `Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu`adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu`adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu`adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu`adh to sit down but Mu`adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

- It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr:
Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as zakat) but now they have withheld it. Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.

- The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “It is not permissible to spill the blood of a Muslim except in three [instances]: the married person who commits adultery, a life for a life, and the one who forsakes his religion and separates from the community.

Djazakum'Allah khayran brothers

As-Salam Aleykom,

does anyone know what kind of education study has to offer the schools of Medina and Mecca? I'm interested in exegesis of the Koran and the Bible and also the history of Islam. I would be very grateful for any help in that matter !

Djazakumu'Allah khayran

Salam Aleykoum,

does anyone have seen those initials before ? How to explain it ? It sounds stupid but I need some detail rebuttal for such kind of argument.

Jazakum'Allahu khayran

Salam Aleykoum,

Please, can some one give me a detail explanations to the verses 9:29 and 2:191.

...and there is some citation from Alfred Guillaume translation of „Sirat Rasul Allah” saying that the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) decapitated Jews and Christians in Medina and threw it into the trench (p. 464) ! Is this true ? Please help, I must to refut that

May Allah bless you and djazakumu'Alla khayran

Update from Osama Abdallah:

Fearing that brother Idris' invaluable images throughout this thread would eventually get deleted from the websites that he linked them from, I went ahead and backed up this entire thread to the following link:

May Allah Almighty bless brother Idris for his invaluable research and work.  Ameen.

End of Update.

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As-Salamu Aleykoum,

there is some interesting passage in the New Testament in which Jesus probably mentioned the name Ahmed (the prophetic name of Muhammad - Pbuh):

John 18:37 Pilate asked him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. I was born for this, and I came into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is committed to the truth listens to my voice."
John 18:38  Pilate asked him, "What is 'truth'?" After he said this, he went out to the Jews again and told them, "I find no basis for a charge against him.
If you read this verse carefully you would notice that there is something wrong with it’s context. I mean the question that Pilate adressed to Jesus (Pbuh) when he heard: „testify to the truth”. Note that after hearing this, Pilate asked him in a very strange way: ''What is ‘truth’’’ ? just like he didn’t understand what this word means ! The big question then is why he said: "What is 'truth'?" instead of saying: "What ‘truth’?" ??? Well, if we suppose as various English translations of the Bible says that Pilate asked Jesus „What is truth ?’’ it does not make sense, since historically Pilate was a judge and he dealt with lies and truth almost every day, so how did he not know what truth is ? Even from a grammatical point of view the formulated question (poses by Pilate) that we find in various translation of the Gospel of John it is incorrect ! But now you will be really surprised. Ready ? In the Ancient Aramaic Scriptures, Pilate in John 18:38 says here: ’’Who is the Truth ?’’ !!!

Source :

’’Who’’ ??? Every one know that „who” is a form of interrogative pronoun i.e. part of speech which applies only to a person ! But the word ’’truth’’ actually stands for a noun not for a person. Now it is very important to know that the hebrew word for ‘’truth’’ is ’emeth’ (אמת) and according to Strong’s Dictionary of Hebrew Bible it correctly pronounced as eh’meth ! As we have seen above, the translation of this verse in the Ancient Aramaic Scriptures indicates that the hebrew word eh'meth - in this case - must refer to the person and not to a thing. This word eh’meth corresponds to Ahmed in view of their phonetic spelling. Apparently this word was a foreign word for Pilate and looks like that made him to ask: „Who is Eh’meth ?” or more probably „Who is Ahmed ?” implying that he was not asking about the truth (which is just a noun) but about a man named Ahmed (person)! That mystery word forced Pilate to repeat what he heard by asking "Who is Ahmed?", and it shows that he realized that Jesus was talking about a person. It is possible !

It becomes quite clear and does make sense because the Qur'an gives exactly the same witness from the mouth of Jesus (Pbuh):

And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmed."   (Quran 61:6)


I believe that Jesus in John 18:37 was trying to say „I came into this world for, that I should bear witness to Ahmed” and Allah knows best!

Unfortunately, the problem is that the word eh’meth or emeth appears 56 times in the Bible ! So I want to know how to explain it to prove that the word for Ahmad is mentioned only in specific places. Together we can solve our problems :)

Salam Aleykoum

Did you know that Prophet Moses (PBUH) gave the exact time of the appearance of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ??? It can be found in one of the Jewish apocrypha Pseudepigrapha under the title "Assumption of Moses" (also known as The Testament of Moses) and in Chapter 10, Moses foretold the advent of some Prophet who will establish the Kingdom of God. Actually I was shocked when I read that for first time. This is Amazing! What you know and what you can say about this testimony ?


Chapter 10 of the ‘Testament’, indicates its main and central theme. It relates the advent of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Some of its lines are reproduced below:

And then His kingdom shall appear throughout all His creation,
And He will appear to punish the Gentiles,
 And He will destroy all their idols.
And do thou, Joshua (the son of) Nun, keep these words and this book; 
For from my death [assumption] until His advent there shall be CCL times (Year weeks) (i.e. 250 year weeks i.e. 250*7 = 1750 years).

The meanings of the original Hebrew word (according to its idiomatic usage in that context), which has been translated here in English as ‘times’, are ‘year weeks’ as explained by the editor. The ‘year week’ stands for ‘seven years’, in the same way as the ‘day week’ stands for ‘seven days’. Consequently ‘250 year weeks’ will mean ‘ 250 x 7 years, i.e. 1750 years’.


Above passage foretells the advent of the ‘kingdom of God’, which is to be established 1750 years after the death of Moses (PBUH). To appreciate the exact personality that was to establish the foretold ‘kingdom of God’, first of all we have to find out the point of time in the world history that falls 1750 years after the death of Moses (PBUH).

- Exodus of Israelites under Moses (PBUH) from Egypt during the period of Pharaoh Rameses II who ruled Egypt ( 1290 to 1224 BC) i.e. Rameses II drowned and died in 1224 BC. [Oxford Bible Atlas] & [ Exodus 14:5-18,21-23,26-28]
- Israelites wondered for forty years in Sinai before entering into the land of Canaan. Moses (pbAh) died at the end of this forty-year wandering in the wilderness before the entry of the Israelites into the Promised Land of Canaan under the leadership of Joshua son of Nun. It shows that Moses (pbAh) died in the year 1184 BC (1224-40=1184). That the Israelites had wandered in Sinai for forty years after the announcement of this punishment for their misbehavior in Sinai and before their entry into the Promised Land of Canaan.

- The punishment of forty years wandering in the wilderness had not started just after the entrance of the Israelites into Sinai. There had elapsed a number of events and misdeeds of the Israelites stretching on a long time that justified this heavy punishment. The description of this period is stretched in the Bible on 26 chapters of the book of Exodus, complete book of Leviticus (27 chapters), and fourteen chapters of the book of Numbers; which make a total of 67 chapters. It would have definitely taken at least four years of the sinful activities of the Israelites to justify the pronouncement of the punishment of forty years wandering into the wilderness of Sinai.
It means that Moses (PBUH) would have died almost forty four years after the death of Rameses II who died of drowning in the sea in the year 1224 BC. As such the year of the death of Moses (PBUH) becomes 1180 BC (1224-44=1180). It can thus be affirmed that the gap between the death of Moses (PBUH) and the birth of Jesus Christ (PBUH) is 1180 years.

Birth Year of Muhammad (PBUH)

It is almost unanimously held that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was born in AD 570.
Geo. W. Gilmore observes in his article ‘Mohammed, Mohammedanism’:
Mohammed, ‘The Praised,’ the posthumous son of AbduAllah, a member of the Koraish tribe, by Aminah, was born at Mecca Aug. 20, 570, and died at Medina June 8, 632.

Moses (PBUH) foretold about none other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in his prophecy recorded in the ‘Assumption of Moses’

It can thus be appreciated that the number of years from the death of Moses (PBUH) till the birth of Jesus (PBUH) is 1180 years; and the number of years from the birth of Jesus (PBUH) till the birth of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is 570. Now 1180+570 make nothing else than 1750 years. It reveals that Moses (PBUH) foretold about none other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in his prophecy recorded in the ‘Assumption of Moses’. It should also be borne in mind that there is only one prominent figure in the annals of history that fulfils this prophecy of the ‘Assumption of Moses’ in letter and spirit. It is only the person of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and none other than he. He came exactly after 1750 years from the death of Moses (PBUH). As such, there remains no justifiable reason to denying the sincerity of the claim to the apostolate of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for an honest, impartial, and unbiased person.

The book "ASSUMPTION OF MOSES" consisted of 12 chapters, originally of 1,100 stichoi [lines], about half of which had been discovered. This ‘Assumption of Moses’. According to the Introduction of this book by its editor, it was originally written in Hebrew, between AD 7 and 29. A Greek version of it appeared in the first century AD. The Greek version was translated into Latin not later than the fifth century. Included in ‘The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament in English’, Vol. II, edited by R. H. Charles in conjunction with many scholars, (The Oxf. Univ. Press, 1979), pp. 414-24, with an Introduction to this ‘Assumption’, pp. 407-13.  It was first published in 1913. Please download "Muhammad foretold in the bible by Name" Courtesy Abdus Sattar Ghauri (Al Mawrid Institute of Islamic Sciences) for full details


Salam Aleykom to every one,

exploring the resource of internet I've just found a really interesting investigation made by our brother Abdullah ben Isa/Al Abdul'Jabbar. Namely, a very detailed work about the prophecy of prophet Ahmad in the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS). This book is written in Arabic language, so is there anyone can translate it to English ? It is a great job, the exhausting and stately attention an analysis of Isaiah's manuscript. That's what we looked for my brothers :) Let's all join together our strengths and translate it to English. Can you imagine ? This will be a powerful dua for those seeking the truth !!! dzazakom Allahu hayra :)

here is the link to the book:

As'Salam Aleykum,

my dear brother, I'm looking for the original text of Codex Syriacus (written in fifth century C.E) from the of John 14:26 that which begins: "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit." Please help, I need this to prove it in my future work "The Detailed Prophecy about Muhammad in the Bible" in Polish language inshallah ! Dzazaka'llahu khayran  :)

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