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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2013, 07:41:55 AM »
And the moon darkens.(75: 8 )

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Can anyone explain the above verses? Why Allah says that the moon and the sun will be joined? As sun is much bigger than the moon , it should swallow it not get joined with it. I'm confused. I have read some articles where they say that through these verses Allah says that Sun will swallow the Moon before the Final Hour. But the verse uses ''JOINED'' not ''SWALLOWED''. Or is it talking about Solar eclipse? If so then the translation might me wrong.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Here are the Noble Verses:

‏75:7 فاذا برق البصر
‏75:8 وخسف القمر
‏75:9 وجمع الشمس والقمر
‏75:10 يقول الانسان يومئذ اين المفر

[075:007]  At length, when the sight is dazed,
[075:008]  And the moon is buried in darkness.
[075:009]  And the sun and moon are joined together,-
[075:010]  That Day will Man say: "Where is the refuge?"


I believe this is a Prophecy about a Great Eclipse that will take place.  This actually makes sense, since when the Hour Comes, the Universe's orbits' path will turn into a spegetti mess on a massive scale, and all celestial bodies will be colliding violently with each others.  So it makes sense that:

1-  Our atmosphere will change, and hence it will greatly effect our visions, since the sun rays are all magnified and become glorious, as we know them, through our atmosphere as Allah Almighty mentioned clearly in the Glorious Quran:

‏91:1 والشمس وضحاها 
‏91:2 والقمر اذا تلاها
‏91:3 والنهار اذا جلاها 

"By the sun and its radiant light, and the moon that trails (and reflects) its light. By the day that magnifies and glorifies (جلاها) its brightness.  (The Noble Quran, 91:1-3)"
 
Please visit: http://www.quransearch.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm


Lunar Eclipses do blur and permanently damage the eye's cornea:

The following pictures certainly prove the points above.  Another point worth mentioning is that when the Hour Comes, the sun's rays might be much much more than what they already are today.  There are several Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran that indicate that this will actually happen:

http://www.quransearch.com/water_shall_vanish.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/galaxy_explosion.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/end_of_times_volcanoes_caused_by_stretching_of_earth.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/ac20.htm#links



In the case, the lunar eclipse would be far greater than what it appears to be in the following pictures:







When watching the lunar eclipse outside, special Eye Shields are required to prevent blindness and/or permanent eye damages, especially to the cornea:






2-  Because of the chaos in the orbits, our solar system's orbits will also go in chaos, and hence the sun's and the moon's orbits will cross each others, and an eclipse will occur as a result.

3-  When the events in point #2 happen, then the sky will darken and the moon will be buried in darkness.

Great question dear brother, Farhan!  I will add this on the website with more elaborations, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2013, 11:36:29 AM »
Thanks brother Osama for clearing up the confusion.

 Okay one last thing. If the above verse is talking about an eclipse, then what's the ultimate fate of the moon? I mean, how will it end? Will it be swallowed by the sun? What does Quran say?

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2013, 04:21:51 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 I'm still confused about these verse:

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Even if it is talking about solar eclipse, why it says that sun and moon will be joined? We know during Solar Eclipse, the moon comes in between the Sun and the Earth. Moon is not joined. Please, can you explain this in detail?

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2013, 03:22:00 AM »
Assalamualykum.

 I'm still confused about these verse:

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Even if it is talking about solar eclipse, why it says that sun and moon will be joined? We know during Solar Eclipse, the moon comes in between the Sun and the Earth. Moon is not joined. Please, can you explain this in detail?

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

It is possible that the moon will eventually be swallowed by the sun, along with all of our solar system's celestial bodies.  We've seen above already how this Noble Verse is talking about the Great Lunar Eclipse when the Hour Comes.  As to the language of the sun and the moon will be joined together, while it is about a lunar eclipse, but it could also be referring to the moon eventually leaving its orbit here around earth and be devoured by the sun.  You see, the two immediate celestial bodies to us humans that our naked eyes could see up close and personal, from our view here on earth, are:

1-  The moon.
2-  The sun.

And they are the most relevant and vital celestial bodies for our life here on earth.  So if Allah Almighty spoke in limited language about the sun and the moon, it doesn't limit the event to just them.  But to us humans, since these two celestial bodies are what we see in considerable size and clarity from earth here, then they are the most relevant to us.  Plus as I said, they are the most relevant and vital to our life here on earth as well.  So Allah Almighty putting emphasis on the sun and the moon wouldn't mean that the Noble Verse is limited to just them.

As to the Arabic جمع (joined) in Noble Verse 75:9 above, it could very well be referring to being aligned together according to our view and perspective here on earth.  جمع is both a noun and a simple past in Arabic:

1-  جمع means a group for a noun.
2-  جمع means joined together, came together, summoned together, brought together, put together for a simple past.

The Noble Word would be very appropriate and suitable if Allah Almighty spoke about the Great Lunar Eclipse will happen when the Hour Comes.  And we see very clearly from the full context in Noble Verses 75:7-10, in the previous posts above, that Allah Almighty did indeed speak about a Lunar Eclipse will happen when the Hour comes.

I know I've written an article years ago about these Noble Verses.  I will update it with these new posts today, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2013, 03:42:37 AM »
Assalamualykum.

 "A day when the heaven with the clouds will be rent asunder, And the angels will be sent down, a grand descent." (Quran:25:25)

 Can anyone explain me the above verse? What does '' the heaven with the clouds will be rent asunder'' mean?

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2013, 04:02:38 AM »
Assalamualykum.

 May a possible explanation to this verse is:

 When the heaven will be rent asunder that will produce a great smoke which will resemble the clouds. Well Allah knows the best.

 

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2013, 05:46:28 AM »
Anyone please interpret the following Hadith:

 ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."

 

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2013, 08:53:14 AM »
Anyone please interpret the following Hadith:

 ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."

What is the source for this Hadeeth?

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2013, 03:04:15 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 at-Tahhawee reports in Mishkil al-Aathaar, that Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman said , ''Abu Hurayah told us Muhammad(PBUH)) said:

  ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."
 al-Baihaqi also reported this in ''al-Ba'th wal-Nushur as did al-Bazzaar, al-Isma'ili, al-Khattaabi with an insaad that it's Saheeh according to the conditions of al-Bukhari who reported in al-Saheeh al-Mukthasar, with the wording ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection." (Sheikh Naasir ud-Deen al-Albani narrated this hadith in Silsilah al-ahadeeth as-Saheehah, 1/32, hadith no:124)


 I don't understand this Hadith. Another thing, is it comparing the size of the moon with that of the Sun? Moon is nothing compared to the Sun.




 

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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2013, 12:07:29 AM »
Assalamualykum.

1) Is there any verse in the Quran which hints that there many other moons and suns in our universe ?

2)Is there any verse which hints that Sun is much bigger than the Moon and Earth?

3)And lastly is there any verse that hints Earth is revolving around the Sun?

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2013, 03:26:44 AM »
Assalamualykum, the hadith makes no sense so you can reject it, you do know that if a hadith doesn't make sense to you, you can reject it right?
answers to your ?s
1. No
2. No
3. Maybe, some would argue that when the Qur'an says the night and day are orbiting this is referring to the earths movement
Quran is not a science book, so you shouldnt look for scientific info in it.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2013, 03:33:14 AM by abdullah »

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2013, 05:07:50 AM »
Assalamualykum.

 at-Tahhawee reports in Mishkil al-Aathaar, that Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman said , ''Abu Hurayah told us Muhammad(PBUH)) said:

  ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."
 al-Baihaqi also reported this in ''al-Ba'th wal-Nushur as did al-Bazzaar, al-Isma'ili, al-Khattaabi with an insaad that it's Saheeh according to the conditions of al-Bukhari who reported in al-Saheeh al-Mukthasar, with the wording ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection." (Sheikh Naasir ud-Deen al-Albani narrated this hadith in Silsilah al-ahadeeth as-Saheehah, 1/32, hadith no:124)


 I don't understand this Hadith. Another thing, is it comparing the size of the moon with that of the Sun? Moon is nothing compared to the Sun.

AsalamuAlaikum,

Ok so the hadeeth is authentic.

TBH akhi I dont know what its on about. But its speaking about the Herafter where we have no clue what its like. Like can you imagine paradise? Not fully. Its wonders are to immense.

So Allah Knows Best. Its speaking about a time when everything will be different and this world wont exist.

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Re: Confusion!!!!
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2013, 05:21:51 AM »

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« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2013, 09:39:33 AM »
(Have you not seen how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed, He could have made it still - But We have made the sun its guide, then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal.) [Surat Al-Furqan, verses: 45, 46].



 Okay I read an article where it is said that ''then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal.'' indicates rotation of the Earth around the Sun. But how? Following is a portion of that article:



[In God's saying: (Have you not seen how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed, He could have made it still - But We have made the sun its guide) an indication to the rotation of the earth around itself and the sun is the guide, i.e., the sun is the body that the movement is measured according to it.

And in His saying: (then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal) an indication to the rotation of the earth around the sun because the length of the shadow changes not only in day and night but also according to the seasons of the year as the earth rotates around the sun and it inclines on its axis of rotation for about 23 degrees, therefore the length of the shadow varies due to the angle that the sunrays fall in.

These facts weren't known at the time of the descending of Quran, therefore these verses are considered to be a sign of the scientific miracles in the holy Quran, as they talked about the rotation of the earth around itself and around the sun.]

 

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