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Offline Abdullah Tahmeed

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Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« on: March 30, 2015, 05:49:21 AM »
A question asked by Hindu

Hindus have a concept that every religion leads to the path of Good(technically it is true, islam, christianity, hinduism, all are against lying, murder etc. etc.; some biblical verses or some parts maybe bad but overall all of the religions are against falsehood and crimes). And their karma system is totally based on good deeds and bad deeds, not based on believing the God.

Abrahamic religions have either believe in God or rot in hell forever concept. They have karma system but at the end of the day it is all believe the God.

Hindus have monism+pantheism based believe. Their concept is everything that exists is a part of super reality or a super soul called PARAMATMA. Even God is a part of this soul. The difference between God and Men is Men are not self realized. So basically, you can be in a higher stage of spirituality, as high as God. When you believe everything is part of same soul, you start believing in fraternity.

Abrahamic religions believe everything is a slave of God. So you lose your high spiritual position as in Hinduism. And every human is from same source as stated in quran but this fraternity is weaker than Hindu system as hindus believe everything is part of your soul(a bigger fraternity)

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 08:22:04 AM »
Not sure if Hindu even regard Islam leading to good path..
 as they say Muslims worship God-Shiva.  Shiva is the God of War&Destruction. That's why Muslim love to destroy, this is what Hindu believe.

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 10:11:00 AM »
Salam brothers,

Present Hinduism is nothing but nonsense. They say that all their gods are actually one, parts of that paramatma thing. But then why do they quarrel among themselves? Do you know that a myth says that Shiva chased some gods with a bow? If this kind of things happen, how is the world running so smoothly? Those Christians also say that there there three gods are actually one. But in different places we see that Jesus prays to God the Father. If they are truly one, why does he pray? And he also prays to take away the cup from him which means the Father and Jesus have independent minds! Read this;

"(Jesus is praying to the Father) And this is eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

Now Jesus was a Muslim.

And the Jews also love to call God their daddy and even calls themselves gods! (Psalm 82:6)

You want to find perfect monotheism? that's ISLAM.

And we don't worship some vulgar genital attached with a vagina. Is that something to worship?

Salam

Tahmeed

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 02:11:25 AM »
Salam brother,

Is that even a question?

Are you comparing God's religion to a man made one?

Most of these man made religions are rooted in Jinn worship... In other words Satanism. Notice how most of their Gods in drawings are blue and standing on a checkered floor....

What is nobler? The worship of God, the Creator, the Originator, the One and Only, the Eternal, the Merciful... or the worship of the created?

Salam

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 08:22:05 AM »
Brother Tarek, the purpose of comparative religion is to compare different religions. And everyone calls their religion God's religion. But when you give dawah, you will have to talk from a neutral view.

However, the present hinduism is nonsense, but many educated ones have the pantheistic concept i mentioned above. Now if we  compare it with Islamic pure monotheism, how can we prove Monotheism to be better than their pantheism??

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 08:48:50 AM »
True brother Abdallah, we have to be neutral while practicing Dawaa..

Talk to them about the Quran and the morals embedded in it.. the life of the Prophet (PBUH), the life and the rule of the first 4 Caliphs, as beacons of justice, honor and virtue,the Golden Age of Islam, when Muslims practiced real Islamic faith...

This should be enough proof of nobility

Salam


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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015, 09:03:25 AM »
Hope this was so easy. Like i stated in my main post, in an apparent look Pantheism looks noble. We need to prove Islam wiser. when you look from islamic view: 
Talk to them about the Quran and the morals embedded in it.. the life of the Prophet (PBUH), the life and the rule of the first 4 Caliphs, as beacons of justice, honor and virtue,the Golden Age of Islam, when Muslims practiced real Islamic faith...

This is sufficient. But to others its not.

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2015, 10:35:25 AM »
Assalamu alaikum to all brothers.

First of all' let's see where did this pantheism comes from? It is derived from the concept of "GOD IS EVERYWHERE". This is surely a dangerous and blasphemous idea. It is like when Al-Hallaj, a sufi said, "ANAL HAQ" (I AM THE TRUTH or I AM GOD). Some of the muslims also believe this dangerous idea. It is specially known as "WAHDATUL UZUD". It means the universe and God is an unified body (nauzubillah). They give the reference of this type of ayat "To Allah belong the east and the West:Whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah's
countenance. For Allah is all-Embracing, all-knowing(2:115)

But in Tafsir ibn kasir as the explanation of this ayat, he has said that it means that the knowledge and satisfaction of Allah is everywhere, but he is above every creation. The Most Beneficent (Allâh) Istawâ (rose over) the (Mighty) Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty) (20:5)

Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth
when it shakes (as in an earthquake)?Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning?(67:5)
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From this ayats, we are seeing that Allah is above every creation.

Islam is the ultimate and final Abrahamic religion. After Islam came, every other religion has become outdated.So "Believing in the concept of 'Allah is everywhere'" is a kufr. So, pantheism is a kufr. Because also in pantheism it is said that, "BRAHMA IS EVERYWHERE".

Now let's see why  abrahamic religion is the best one. The full potential of abrahamic religion is revealed through Islam. Like all religions, Islam also tell us to good deeds and stay away from bad deeds. But it also shows us how we can prevent us from the bad deeds. As an example, all the religions tell us not to steal. But Islam also shows us how we can prevent thieving. We must pay Zakat, we must cut off the hands of the thieves. In this way, thieving can be prevented.

May Allah Bless  Us All
Abu Abdullah

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2015, 11:19:07 AM »
HINDUISM NOT AN IDEAL RELIGION:BECAUSE
1) Support caste system:

“the Brahman is created from the head, the Vaishya from the hands and the Sudra from the feet of the Parampurusha”( (Purusha verse of the Rig Veda 10:90:12).
" avidhom shchiva vidoscha brahmano divatham "(narada smrithi 9:317)

“A brahmin, whether he scholar or madman, believe that he is god”

" dushelo pi dhijo pujanitho shudro jidendriya "(parashra smrithi 8:33)

"a brhmin Butcher is better than scholar shudra " incarnation

"A Brahmin equal to god, they must forcefully suppress the lower cast people make them their slaves" (manusmrithi 9:317)


2) Against freedom of women:

The status of the woman that prevailed during the age of the Rig Veda was indeed a pathetic one. In the thinking of those times, she was one who could never be trusted and was the one who had the heart of a jackass. Urvashi, who was an Apsaras (goddess) , tells her lover Pururavas thus:
“O Pururavas! Die not, flee not; may not the frenzied wolves tear thee apart. Verily, there must never be the companionship of women. For their hearts are as the heart of the Hyena. There can never be the company of women. Go back to home.” ( Rigvedia Shathapath brahmanam 11:5, 1:10 as quoted by D.D. Kosambi, Myth and Reality , p. 105)

" Pururavo Yamrathama prapaptha
  Matha Vrakaso ashivasa ukshan
  Navayasthrina ni sakya nisanthi
  Salavya Kanam hrathyanenyatha " (Rig Veda 10:95:15)

3)   veda promote vulgarity:

Indran drink alcohol (somarasm) and he killed varthyan (Rig Veda 2:15:4)

Veda promotes to worship to alcohol (somarasm) (Rig Veda 1:91:17)

Describe the sexuality of women:

" veda describe the sexuality of women like women breast and thigh and broken all the limit of Vulgarity "

(Rig Veda:mandalam 10:10-15)
(shukla yejurveda 23:22-25)
(adarva veda:chathurdashakandam 2:38)

Veda support to human sex with animal:

" to control the Oxygen(prana vayu) you sex with female goat, to get better speaking technical you sex with male goat, to get better future you sex with bull "(shukla yejurveda 21:60)

Father sex with Daughter (adrva veda:navma kandam 10:12)

Brother sex with sister:

" Sister of yemen kamathura welcomes her brother yemen to sex with her "(Rig Veda:mandalam 10:10-12)

These verses indicated that the period of Veda the living style of Aryans contain all the vulgarity.

4)   against science:

" The sun was the chariot with seven horses travel around the earth "(Rig Veda:mandalam 1:50)

" Rahu the son of asura hide the sun with Blindness it was reason for Solar Eclipse "(Rig Veda:mandalam 10:40)

“The reason of tuberculosis was high Coitus "(Rig Veda:sapthkama kandam 76:1-5)

5)   Support polytheism & MONOTHEISM:

" akam sadhypra bahuda vadandhi " (Rigveda 2:3:6)
" a sholor declare god Essence in different way "

" akam santham bahudha kalpayanthi "(Rigveda 8:6:6)
" a Intelligent understand that essence of god in different way "

One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
(Rig Veda 10:-81:-1.)
(Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:1)

6)KILLING INFIDELS
Vishnu Purana 3:17 (p.337) This deceptive vision shall wholly beguile the Daityas,so that, being led astray from the path of the Vedas, they may be put to death; for all gods, demons, or others, who shall be opposed to the authority of the Veda,shall perish by my might, whilst exercised for the preservation of the world.

Don't speak to infidels
Vishnu Purana 3:18 (p.343)In consequence of the fault committed by Śatadhanu, by speaking to an infidel when he was engaged in a solemn fast, he was born again as a dog.

Manu 4:163. Let him avoid atheism, cavilling at the Vedas, contempt of the gods,hatred, want of modesty, pride, anger, and harshness.

Slay godless foes
Atharva Veda 11:2:23 Homage be paid him with ten Sakvari verses who stands established in the air's mid-region, slaying non-sacrificing God-despisers!


FROM HINDU SCRIPTURES WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANY COMMON/SPECIFIC BELIEF OR SYSTEM OF LIFE,EVERY HUMAN WHO BORN INSIDE INDIA IS PART OF HINDUISM,HINDU PPL SAY EVEN CHARVAK(ATHEIST) ALSO PART OF THAT,

# hindus believe everything is part of your soul.......
DID HITLER ,MUSSOLINI,STALIN,TERRORIST& CRIMINALS PART OF THAT SAUL,SO WE LEAD TO SAYS GOD BECOME CRIMINALS /RAPER,TERRORIST ,ETC.ALL R PART OF GOD/SOUL.........?.
" brahmi vedam viswam samastham edam jagath "(each and every maters(living and non living) in our are god)(adhoidham:sree shanracharya)

" jivo brahmiva napara "(all the livings are god)(adhoidham:sree shanracharya)
" brahmivedam vishyamsamastham edam jagath "
" aham brahmasi & thathwamasi "

If we believe the above verses, we must answer the following questions.
what the purpose we are created?, what are the purpose of Incarnation? What is the difference between from fish to kaki (Incarnation of god) from us?

" X was god and Y was Incarnation of X, at the same time Y are ideal people for X "

What a foolish believes it was?

NO SIMILARITY EVEN DEFINITION HINDU
What the definition of Hindu?
The miracle thing is there is no definition about the word Hindu, we can saw the different people provide the different meaning there is no similarity between their statements.
1)   M.K Gandhi defines they believe Veda, Upanishad, purana, rebirth, reincarnation and Hindu scriptures. They believe in polytheism and they protect the cow.(M.K Gandhi: Complete Works Vol XXI, Page 246)
2)   Saduseelan k parmeswer define we believe and follow the moral science, adyathma darshana originated from Bartha Martha and they respect baratha matha as a mother land.( Saduseelan k parmeswer :introduction to hindu dharma)
3)   Sree damodar savarkar define one should believe the baratha bhumi from sindu to southern Indian sea as hid punya bhumi and pithra bhumi he was a Hindu.(barath encyclopedia vol2:828)
4)   The word Hindu coming from the civilization of Aryan.(Sathyavratha Patel: Hinduism: Religion and Way of Life.)
5)   They believe the authorized Veda it called Vedic religion and Hinduism, believing different cast system it says ‘varnasrama dharma’, it ruled by Brahmin it says ‘brahmana religion’(Ibid-Page 1-3)
Like it we can saw different types of definition existed. From the Veda and Upanishad we can’t saw an exact definition about Hinduism.

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2015, 11:21:24 AM »
Brother Abu Abdullah,

Assalamu Alaikum, Well the thing you said is indeed true, but the thing is, the point you stated is a practical one. I have compared some beliefs of Abrahamic and some beliefs of Hindus which needs to be explained

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Re: Which is nobler??Hinduism or Abrahamic Religion
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2015, 09:13:17 PM »
Assalamu alaikum brother tahmeed.
I have stated this example because unlike every other religion, islam is 100% practical. We implement and practise what we believe. But the other ones are not like this. That's why a practical exam is needed. Brother, beliefs cannot be compared or examined. We should also look for implementetions. Because, it is hard to make one believe something what one doesn't. But if the worldly implementetions are found useful it becomes easy for one to believe something.
And Allah knows best.

 

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