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A lot of sunnis are also corrupt. Some of their leading authorities think the death sentence for apostacy is divine law (it's entirely extra-Quranic) and they worship Muhammad when they're in a mode of prayer (in the tashahhud). Their reasoning for justifying this is hilarious: https://islamqa.info/en/34535.


shouldnt the statement be they worship Muhammad and themselves.
with that being said, there are 3 class of groups being worshiped (Allah/Muhammad/Those who prays)

Maybe. Maybe not. But "asalumu alayka ayyahan nabiyyu" is worse because Muhammad is dead, and thus you're having a direct conversation with Muhammad in a mode of prayer, like he is some spirit present in the room.

I omit tashahhud from my prayers entirely.

Repent to Allah you heretic! First Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and then Quranism (which had been refuted many times before and is kufr accoridng to more than one scholar) and now THIS!? The tashahud is obligatory in prayer whether you like it or not. If you leave it then your prayer is most likely invalid. Repent to Allah. And are you saying that Ibn Masud (may Allah be pleased with him) is corrupt?

I never was an ahmadi and quranist. Stop assuming things.

Stop being emotional. Argue with logic and reason. You have been brainwashed. I dont trust scholars. Please produce an actual argument.

If you want to refute quranism then post it in my previous thread, as an intellectually curious individual who doesnt let his emotions get the better of him i'd like to see it.

Peace.

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A lot of sunnis are also corrupt. Some of their leading authorities think the death sentence for apostacy is divine law (it's entirely extra-Quranic) and they worship Muhammad when they're in a mode of prayer (in the tashahhud). Their reasoning for justifying this is hilarious: https://islamqa.info/en/34535.


shouldnt the statement be they worship Muhammad and themselves.
with that being said, there are 3 class of groups being worshiped (Allah/Muhammad/Those who prays)

Maybe. Maybe not. But "asalumu alayka ayyahan nabiyyu" is worse because Muhammad is dead, and thus you're having a direct conversation with Muhammad in a mode of prayer, like he is some spirit present in the room.

I omit tashahhud from my prayers entirely.

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Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Very interesting.  The dajjal will come from the east and go to Kufa (in Iraq).  The Shias are definitely plagued with dajjals leading them.  Their whole religion is very ridiculous.  The way they beat themselves with swords and knives and chains, and the way they glorify creations made from dust all give clear indications that they are corrupt, and they are ripe for a dajjal to come from them:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Also visit this link:

www.harunyahya.com/en/Articles/4326/the-messiah-dajjal-has-secretly

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

A lot of sunnis are also corrupt. Some of their leading authorities think the death sentence for apostacy is divine law (it's entirely extra-Quranic) and they worship Muhammad when they're in a mode of prayer (in the tashahhud). Their reasoning for justifying this is hilarious: https://islamqa.info/en/34535.

At the end of the day the safest bet is to turn to God alone and trust him that he made his quran complete, just like he constantly expounds in the book he personally authored for you (the Quran).

Peace.

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"The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: God knows what you reveal and what you conceal." 5:99

"Say [Prophet], ‘I have no control over benefit or harm, [even] to myself, except as God may please: if I had knowledge of what is hidden, I would have abundant good things and no harm could touch me. I am no more than a bearer of warning, and good news to those who believe.’" 7 188

"Say, ‘I do not have the treasures of God, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.’ Say, ‘Is a blind person like one who can see? Why will you not reflect?’" 6 50

Say, ‘I am nothing new among God’s messengers. I do not know what will be done with me or you; I only follow what is revealed to me; I only warn plainly.’


God is very detailed on laws of modesty and inheritence, but according to traditionalist sunnis God for some reason forgot to make all forms of musical art haram and to prohibit dogs. There are also dozens of verses that explicitely cite the Quran as complete, and therefore the hadith collections, this vast external library, isn't essential to attain God's favor.

It is also a natural, intrinsic conclusion, you have to he indoctrinated to think hadith are essential. If the Quran relys on an external library, then i reject it.

And to those who try to cite verses that prove Muhammad's legislatorhood, all i will say is use your head. You need to reconcile them with the above verses AND MANY OTHERS or you'll derive internal contradictions. Im not going to tell you how to reconcile them, do it yourself.

The admin thinks Quranists are a cult of satan, that is scary considering how much time he put into this site.

Peace.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca!
« on: October 18, 2016, 06:25:54 AM »
I dont agree with the guy btw, i just found his channel very interesting.

The Quranies are a deviant heretical cult of satan.

Quranists are not apostates. Being a Muslim is a natural state. How can you say someone who follows the word of God to the best of his abilities is hell-bound while keeping a straight face?

You said in another thread that you dont derive extra-quranic laws from hadith, so that's a form of Quranism. That's how i interpret it too. Other people of course, are radical skeptics and reject hadith altogether. They're still Muslim.

I've had these discussions before and quite frankly, they're tiring.   Tawhid is a natural disposition; a new-born baby is a Muslim.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Muhammad was not from Mecca!
« on: October 16, 2016, 04:55:59 PM »
Extremely interesting video by Sam Gerrans, and he's not an Islamophobe, he's a Muslim himself. Also, he rejects the hadith which is amazing (he has a video on why), i find Quranists always have more fascinating personalities and views, as opposed to your local Sunni sheikh who regurgitates whatever he is fed.

Very fascinating watch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=inJ1mCIsz5A

Watch his other videos too.

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For those who dont know there is a small sect where they believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the prophesized Imam Mahdi, and he was apparently assigned actual prophethood (thats the only way to make an impact).

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I've been looking into Ahmadiyya Islam, do you think the reference to Ahmed could suggest the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian? (That's there prophet).

I've been reading Mirza Ghulam's book and i think he is sincere, his book is actually quite amazing (the philosophy of the teachings of Islam), although even if he is sincere i'm not sure if he is really a prophet, Ahmadiyyas interpret Khatamun Nabiyaan differently.

Anyhow, i still recommend everyone, and i mean EVERYONE read that book. Dont get it confused with another one of similar title. It's really that good.

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https://bloggingtheology.net/2015/07/27/a-response-to-smith-spencer-qureishi-and-others-on-birmingham-quran-manuscript-find/

Good article. It was written by Ijaz Ahmed and posted on Paul Williams blog, may God be pleased with them both. Ijaz seems to really knows his stuff and he debates with brute facts/honesty.

Trinitranian thuggery at it again, professional liars. You've got to lie if you want to defend modern day Christianity, it melts under an academic lens.

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Also, a quranic view that affirms my cautious position:
   
"He it is Who has revealed the Book to thee; some of its verses are decisive -- they are the basis of the Book -- and others are allegorical. Then those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead, and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. And none knows its interpretation save Allah, and those firmly rooted in knowledge. They say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord. And none mind except men of understanding." [3:7]

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But there ARE miracles in the Quran, for example the quran highlights the correct method for building the Egyptian Pyramids, and it predicts the future about the preservation of the Pharaoh's body which was recently discovered and identified to be Ramses II.

But i agree that Osama overblows some supposed miracles, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pretty mind blowing stuff in this pretty amazing book.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

First of all, the links that thoroughly demonstrate the Miracles about how the Pyramids were built and the preservation of Pharaoh's body, in the Glorious Quran, are located here:

www.answering-christianity.com/pyramids_of_giza_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_drowned.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies


As to me overblowing the "supposed Miracles", please go to this link and show me where I overblown anything here:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections



In fact, not a single Scientific Miracle I added to the site that I did not THOROUGHLY bring supports from Western Scientists to amply demonstrate it. 

Also, not a single Numerical Miracle I added to the site that I did not personally verify with my owns hands to be numerically accurate.

So they're very carefully added.



I find your comment to be careless, akhi.  Not because you disagree with me.  But because you seem to have spoken it out of ignorance and presupposition.  I respectfully challenge all to show me where I have erred.  You yourself must have something to show us here where I have overblown a Miracle.


I waiting for those overblown miracles to be shown here.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Salaams

Imo you're seeing things that just aren't there.

One example is the egg shaped earth, all translators don't translate it like you do and upon deeper analysis it appears that you're wrong. I can't speak arabic so im forced to go with what experts say, and your view is the extreme minority.

And btw, im in the middle ground. Abdullah Almadi seems to want to abandon the scientific miracles arguments all together, Osama wants to embrace it fully therefore often trying to interpret the non-explicit ayahs to how he pleases. I instead, want to take the explicit scientific miracles and abandon any vague ones (hence the middle ground).

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I always thought that some of the scientific miracles were a bit odd. It is a good thing that you have a sceptical personality, i appreciate that.

I look forward to your work on Muhammad pbuh in the bible, it'd be interesting to see a sceptics view on that topic.

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And i didnt want to hurt his feelings, that's why i didnt confront him about the whole 19 jazz and the supposed scientific miracles. He was doing a lot of good stuff so i though what the heck, let him carry on.

Osama, keep being you! Don't change.

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The typical everyday person probably doesnt even know that Jesus is one of the mightiest messengers of God.

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But there ARE miracles in the Quran, for example the quran highlights the correct method for building the Egyptian Pyramids, and it predicts the future about the preservation of the Pharaoh's body which was recently discovered and identified to be Ramses II.

But i agree that Osama overblows some supposed miracles, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pretty mind blowing stuff in this pretty amazing book.

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