Author Topic: Archbishop Voscan Erewanci (1614-1674) put Prophet's Ahmad name in Isaiah 42:10  (Read 51446 times)

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I formed a new interpretation of Isaiah 42:10 that may shock you but not now..I'am currently working on it  ;) of course Ahmad's name and the mark of his authority will not be removed but it is rather an inside semantic stratum of a specific using of some biblical words (I'am not sure if I explained rightly what I'am trying to say ;D) for now brothers and sisters I wish you all a pleasant reading from Poland :)
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Akhi Idris, Niech cię Bóg błogosławi !!!

Mash'Allah dear brother ! I have learned much more about prophesies about the Prophet (S) in your posts than I learned from any Islamic websites ;D. You really need to make your own blog and publish these things as soon as possible!

Again, JajakAllahu khair ;D
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So what is the greek word for 'mark'?

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Akhi Idris, Niech cię Bóg błogosławi !!!

Mash'Allah dear brother ! I have learned much more about prophesies about the Prophet (S) in your posts than I learned from any Islamic websites ;D. You really need to make your own blog and publish these things as soon as possible!

Again, JajakAllahu khair ;D

Yes brother, I was thinking about it long time ago…You’re right, I need to open a blog and publish those precious informations ;D So...can I delete this post now ? :P don't try to use my findings haha ;D no I just kidding but make you sure that you citing my name in your references :'(

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So...can I delete this post now ? :P don't try to use my findings haha ;D no I just kidding but make you sure that you citing my name in your references :'(

Hahaha  ;D ;D ;D Akhi, where would I use your findings? I am a kid :P, student ;D hehehe.

But yes, that's why I was saying 'Publish them as soon as possible', because someone else might use your findings and take the credit.

Peace....

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Salam Aleykom,

Has anyone received an answer from the author of this arabic book ?:

http://www.almaseh.net/index.php/corner-book/3790.html

I mean the photo where he shows Ahmad name in hebrew Isaiah 42:1 (that one which brother submit said that it is an edited photo).



link: http://dc10.arabsh.com/i/01405/ia44u7absy13.jpg

Why the author still didn't answer on my question ? I've asked him aven in their fb fanpage but no answer. Man, it's not normal! I just want a confirmation that this photo is edited by him that's all. Please ask him again, and again until he gives some answer. (email: alfaqeer974@yahoo.com) or maybe he's got some new email adress, I do not know.

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2261 views of my post ? No answer from that author of the arabic book regarding what kind of the photos he puted in ? Oh come one!
Why this gut put an email to contact him when he do not answer ? ? ?

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Salam Aleykom brothers and sisters,

I would like to apologize for my unsightly behavior by removing valuable info of that topic. I should just add my name below each post, so that in the near future I'll be able to make a copyright for my book. For now, I will restore all of my posts which was removed, so you can read it and share it with your friends.

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As-Salam Aleykom everyone,

I'am restoring now gradually my deleted posts.


In some very rare Bibles there is a testimony of Isaiah 42:10 which lead to it's secret interpretation that reveal the name of Ahmad. First Bible is from (Amsterdam, 1666 edition) and the second one is from (Venice: 1733 edition). An invaluable hint gives us a muslim historian Haydar Al-Qurayshee qoutes by a well known scholar named Rahmatu Allah Al-Hindi in his book ’Truth Revelead’’ (Izhar-ul-Haq: https://archive.org/details/IzharUlHaq-TruthRevealed4-VolumesmaulanaM.RahmatullahKairanvi), and it is said “that the Armenian priest Auskan translated the Book of Isaiah into the Armenian language in the year 1666, and it was printed in 1733 by Anthony Portolly press. In this translation, in chapter 42 it was written:

Sing to the LORD a new song, the mark of his authority is in his back, and his name is Ahmad”.

Now, it is interesting because if you look at the passage of Isaiah 42:10, you will notice that it begin exatly in the same way as the citation from above:

"Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them."

In the Armenian Library under section "rare and ancient books" it can be found two early Bibles written in Armenian language. The first edition was printed by Voscan himself in the year 1666 and it has been said that it is based on earlier Armenian version made by Mesrop Mashtots in the 5th century (A. Pisowicz, Książka ormiańska, „Biuletyn Ormiańskiego Towarzystwa Kulturowego’’, 2003, No 32-33, p. 25)….and that one originally was based on Septuagint. Below, the link to the first edition and according to Melikian Colletion Company ''includes an alphabetical glossary of hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words and names occuring in the Bible.'' (it is very helpful to find faster the name Ahmad):

http://greenstone.flib.sci.am/gsdl/collect/armenian/Books/astvacashunch_index.html

The second edition is known as Astuacasunc‘ [Bible] printed by Mxit‘ar Sebastac‘i in Venezia: Anton Bortoli press 1733:

http://greenstone.flib.sci.am/gsdl/collect/armenian/Books/astvacashunch1733_index.html

The Apostolic Bible Polyglot (Charles Van der Pool) is a Greek-English Interlinear of the Greek Septuagint and New Testament coded to Strong’s numbers. The Apostolic Bible Polyglot in this case is quite interesting by rendering the passage as follows:

"Sing to the LORD a new hymn! Glorify his name from the uttermost part of the earth! O ones going down into the sea, and sailing it; the islands, and the ones dwelling in them."


NOTE: the greek word ὕμνος (gr. humnos) analogically to ὑμνέω (gr. humneo) means sing an hymn (praise unto = ar. tahmid = tasbih = nashid)! The clause 'glorify his name' in other words is to 'praise his name' and in arabic literally goes like this: ''ahmad'u ismuh'u'' (from hamd and ism). Similarly when we say e.g "(inni) ahmad'u Allah'a" i.e. "I praise or I glorify Allah" = singular form (it depends on the case). In plural we pronounce also as "(nahnu) n'ahmad'u Allah'a" i.e. "We praise Allah" but from the context of Isaiah 42:10 it is clear however that not 'we' but rather it is formulated in the sense of "O you, glorify the name of the Lord" meaning that God Almighty is telling them here to "glorify his name" (of course according to Christians translation), thus in plural in arabic it reads verbally (in this case) as "(antum) ahmad'u ismuh'u"! Now, when we change the places of the words 'ahmad'u ismuh'u', instead of "glorify his name", we will obtain "his name is glorious" i.e. in arabic 'ismuh'u ahmad' (i.e. his name is Ahmad) identically to that which was revealed in the Quran 61:6! It is obvious that Jesus (Pbuh) qouted his name from the Old Testament, since Allah Almighty taught him the wisdom of the Torah and the Gospel (Quran 5:110) Subhanallah !

Brothers and sisters, it is not a coincidence ! Notice that Spetuagint - on which is based also The Apostolic Bible Polyglot - after the clause "Sing to the Lord a new song" mention his name (ὄνομα), not his praise!
 
Strong’s Dictionary of the words in the Greek Testament:

G3686 - onoma (ὄνομα): From a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a “name” (literally or figuratively), (authority, character): - called, (+ sur-) name (-d).

It would make sense when you clothes the passage by taking and putting both words i.e. accepting praise (arabic root h-m-d) as Ahmad and his name (gr. onoma) as well as his authority and then also as his name, and it explain why the archbishop Voscan translate the passage in such way in his 1666 Armenian edition of the Bible. The strong proof came from Strong, James Strong ! Namely, the word translated as glorify actually means alternatively glorious. See for yourself:

Strong’s Dictionary of the words in the Greek Testament:

G1392 - doxazō (δοξάζω): From G1391; to render (or esteem) glorious (in a wide application): - (make) glorify (-ious), full of (have) glory, honour, magnify.

To be continued insha'Allah...

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers Idris and Tahmeed,

I have backed up all of your images on this website, and changed their locations in each one of your posts to point to this website.  So, insha'Allah, they'll always be up and displaying when the reader reads your posts in this thread.

Jazakum Allah Khayr, dear brothers.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers Idris and Tahmeed,

I have backed up all of your images on this website, and changed their locations in each one of your posts to point to this website.  So, insha'Allah, they'll always be up and displaying when the reader reads your posts in this thread.

Jazakum Allah Khayr, dear brothers.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Jazaka allahu khayran dear brother Osama, may Allah bless you, and thank you for taking care of my posts  :)
Thank's also to brother Tahmeed who was a nice companion in our research. Is he still present on this forum ?
Anyway, I have this post in mind, don’t worry, I will continue this topic insha’Allah, there is a lot of new info to add here which supports the view that the prophetic name Ahmad was mentioned somewhere in Isaiah 42:9-10. Alhamdulillah! That would mean that Ahmad was mentioned at least twice in Isaiah 42, and even in other chapters ! We have dozen of narrations from Jews that they were waiting for a prophet with such a name, of course they knew him as Mohammed as well, and perhaps by other names, but it seems that the most common one among them was Ahmad.

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

 

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