THREE us lazy Sunni Muslims must reclaim from the polytheists and heretics....

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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Three us Sunni Mainstream Islam, who make up more than 90% of the entire 1.2 billion Muslim population, must reclaim back to Islam:

1-  Reclaim the Lord Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon both of them, from the polytheist trinitarian pagans. 

2-  Reclaim the Honorable Ahlul Bayt from the polytheists and idol-worshipers, the Shias, and stop putting Muawiyah on the same level as them, when our own Hadiths and Books condemn him for fighting unjustly against Ali, peace be upon him.  I am not saying he is an infidel like many of the Shias do, but at the same time he is nothing when compared to Caliph Ali, and the purity and honor and trust of Caliph Ali.  Our dictatorships and the passing of power to their sons and family, and literally owning the Muslim countries began with MUAWIYAH!  This is a word of Truth that must be told.

     (i)-  But at the same time, we must not always blame him for all of our failures today either, like the Shias do.  He existed 1,400 years ago, while we exist today, 1,400 years after.  So our shortcomings and dictatorships happen because of OUR cowardice, corruption and divisions.  Muawiyah today has nothing to do with it, today.  But the word of Truth has to be told that Muawiyah did create the dictatorships system, and the inheriting of rulership to your sons, and creating corruption and evil in the Muslim government.  He started it, but we have to end it today.

     (ii)-  Truth be told also that Muawiyah after Caliph Ali died, did work hard in advancing Islam, and he did open Turkey (Constantinople) and he did advance the Islamic Civilization and Scientific Research, poetry and art, which at one point the Islamic Caliphate became an Islamic empire with Damascus its capital.  Muawiyah's rule was also in Damascus, and his achievements and contributions did contribute to creating the big empire.

     (iii)- But the idea that Ahlul Bayt belong to the Shia idol worshipers, and Muawiyah belongs to us is a Shia conspiracy that we Sunnis must end.  Ahlul Bayt are innocent from the polytheist and idol worshipers, the Shias, just as Christ and his Mother are innocent from the polytheist trinitarian pagans.  And both Ahlul Bayt and Christ and his Mother, peace be upon all of them, belong to US, and they represent US, and not the idol worshipers.

3-  Reclaim the "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35), as Allah Almighty Said about it in the Glorious Quran, which is the #19 Miracle in the Glorious Quran, from the Quran-Only heretic groups.

The three mentioned groups above do not represent the Three Noble Things mentioned above.  By the end of this year, insha'Allah, I will have point #3 thoroughly established on this site.  I am currently translating a 600-page book, which goes into great depth about this Miracle at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.  The above three belong to Mainstream Islam.  They don't belong to the polytheists and heretics.  We should care just as much about them as we care about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[mendacium remedium]

The mother of believers fought with Ali(may Allah be pleased with him) when he was a caliphah. Why are you picking on Muawiyah brother ?

Do we have hadiths of Muhammed pbuh saying 'when i die, here is how you should choose' or 'if i die, then this will be your leader' ?

I am baffled why Muhammed pbuh, one of the most powerful men secularly and religiously, would pass away without saying a word. Musa a.s. did not go up mount Sina without leaving Harun a.s.  Muhammed pbuh never left his city without appointing someone to be in charge, yet he dies and does not say a single word?

I think we need to start a new sect inbetween shia and sunni Islam.

Yazid(l) (i'm sure we both agree he was the biggest tyrant ) ruthlessly Murdered Hussain (may Allah be pleased with him) the Grandson of Muhammed pbuh?

Ali, Hassan,Hussein - all killed.

The son of Hussain, killed.

The son of him , killed.

Jaffer Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him) murdered as well:

Scholars believed to have learned extensively from Ja'far Al-Sadiq:

Jābir ibn Hayyān – known in Europe as Geber, a great alchemist.[31]
Musa al-Kadhim – his son, the seventh Shi’ah Imam according to the Twelvers
Isma'il ibn Jafar – his son, the sixth Ismaili Imam according to the Ismailis.
Ali al-Uraidhi ibn Ja'far al-Sadiq- his youngest son.
Mufadhal ibn Amr- his Gate keeper and a prominent student.
Sunni scholars Abū Ḥanīfa and Malik ibn Anas worked with Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr, Hisham ibn Urwah, Salim ibn Abd-Allah, Zayd ibn Ali, Ja'far Al-Sadiq and Muhammad al-Baqir
Abū Ḥanīfa - founder of Hanafi school of thought.
Malik ibn Anas – founder of the Maliki school of thought.


He taught all of these men, yet very few scholars refer to him? He taught two of the major Imams in the Ahle Sunnah wal-jamaat school of thought, yet very few of his scholarly works are at all referred to?

Nothing makes sense anymore. Do you not see how politics has wrecked this all ? People crave for power, forget Islam, kill the true muslims, distort the message.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Mendacium Remedium,

The following are your questions and my responses:

The mother of believers fought with Ali(may Allah be pleased with him) when he was a caliphah. Why are you picking on Muawiyah brother ?

The mother of the believers didn't fight Ali in the way that Shias think.  All of the Muslims in the Madina gave their Bayaa (allegiance) to Caliph Ali.  The problem emerged when Caliph Ali couldn't avenge from those who killed Caliph Uthman.  The Muslims wanted to avenge, but Caliph Ali didn't want to have inner conflicts among Muslims, especially that the Muslims were fragile and the enemies from Roman empire and others were waiting for the right moment to move right back in.

Unfortunately, the Muslims in Madina got split among themselves over this very issue.  Many of the most pious and righteous of the Believers in Madina split off from Ali and went to Iraq to do the job themselves.  Caliph Ali followed them with his own troops.  They ended up clashing in Iraq, in what became known as the Battle of Camel (of Aisha), because she at one point was on her camel and ended up right in the cener of the battle.

After the battle ended (Ali's army won), Ali sent Aisha back to Madina.  He hired 20 female servants to serve her.  And he always addressed her as "O Mother....".  When she was captured by him, he told her: "You have done wrong, O Mother."

THE SHIAS VS THE SUNNIS ON THIS ISSUE:  The Shias claim that those who fought Ali were infidels, and they deserve to be cursed for Eternity for this.  This is where you see them cursing the enemies of Ali in their prayers.  But these Muslims weren't really Ali's enemies.  And they did give him their allegiance and made him Caliph.  The split didn't happen because they left Islam.  The split happened because they wanted to avenge for the murder of Caliph Uthman.  The shias' hate and exagerrations are just too ridiculous!  But this is what you can expect from such idol worshipers and polytheists who seek mere creations (Ali and the rest of Ahlul Bayt), in Prayer, for:

1-  Guidance.
2-  Mercy.
3-  Forgiveness.
4-  Protection.

Such polytheists do not represent Ali and the rest of Ahlul Bayt.  Ahlul Bayt are all innocent from the wicked and blasphemous Shias.


So why was Caliph Uthman was killed:

Caliph Uthman burnt as you know that false qurans.  The Glorious Quran that we have today was the one that the top Quranic Scholars of Uthman's time compiled and copied by hand.  There were mixes between wrong verses, Hadiths mistaken for Quranic-verses, Biblical sayings and verses mistaken for Quranic verses and other quotations floating around.  This was one of the main reasons why the Glorious Quran was Compiled and Copied, and all of the other copies were burnt.

Some Muslims didn't like this, and they charged Caliph Uthman with burning real Qurans.  But these were not real Noble Quranic Verses.  They were mix ups, and the top Quranic Scholars and Committee went through this painstaking task to determine which Verse is valid and which isn't.

Caliph Uthman was assasinated for this reason.  They marched down on him from Iraq with close to 20,000 soldiers to Madina and killed him.  The Muslims' army was scattered at the time between Rome's and Persia's and also Africa's lands.  It was wide open.

This is where the nonsense about the Glorious Quran being corrupt comes from.  But when we look at the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles, and Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to protect Its Compilation and proper Recitation, then we have ample evidence to believe that the Glorious Quran was perfectly preserved:

"It is upon Us to collect and compile it (i.e., the Quran) and to promulgate it:  (The Noble Quran, 75:17)"

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption).  (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

All other claims are empty nonsense.  Claims about missing Surahs, and missing verses that the narrators didn't even give the text of a single verse from those so-called missing Surahs and missing verses only shows how empty those claims are.

Do we have hadiths of Muhammed pbuh saying 'when i die, here is how you should choose' or 'if i die, then this will be your leader' ?

This is another lie from Hell that the blasphemous and polytheist and idol worshiping Shias fabricated.  The Prophet didn't have to give a will for anyone to rule after him, nor was he obligated to give a will, nor is Islam concerned about such a thing.

Allah Almighty made Democracy and Voting very clear in the Glorious Quran:

"Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;  (The Noble Quran, 42:38)"

The Muslims did choose Abu Bakr to be the first Islamic Caliph after the Prophet died.  That's it.  The idol-worshing shias don't like a simple and plain Islam.  Most of them are enemies from outside who really want to defile Islam and cause doubts in It.  Their hearts are filled with hate and jealousy from the Mainstream Muslims.  Plus, their leaders have been proven to be zionist agents. 

More ironically about the polytheist shias is that their zionist agents (scholars) ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED to be scholars of the Quran!  Any hogwash zionist with money and influence can become a scholar in the shia religion.  It is a religion of blasphemies, idol worship, and polytheism, - glorification and idolozing of mere creations and praying to them for:

1-  Guidance.
2-  Mercy.
3-  Forgiveness.
4-  Protection.

I think we need to start a new sect inbetween shia and sunni Islam.

Yazid(l) (i'm sure we both agree he was the biggest tyrant ) ruthlessly Murdered Hussain (may Allah be pleased with him) the Grandson of Muhammed pbuh?

Ali, Hassan,Hussein - all killed.

The son of Hussain, killed.

The son of him , killed.

We do not need to start any sect.  The killings that you mentioned were Caliph Ali's battles in Iraq.  Caliph Ali's ranks were divided, and he was killed by his own former soldiers.  His older son was poisoned.

As to Hussein, he was in Madina, and the people of Madina (those whom the shias declare infidels) advised him to not go to Iraq, because they will betray him as they did with his father and older brother.  He didn't listen, and he too was killed.

Jaffer Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him) murdered as well:

Scholars believed to have learned extensively from Ja'far Al-Sadiq:

Jābir ibn Hayyān – known in Europe as Geber, a great alchemist.[31]
Musa al-Kadhim – his son, the seventh Shi’ah Imam according to the Twelvers
Isma'il ibn Jafar – his son, the sixth Ismaili Imam according to the Ismailis.
Ali al-Uraidhi ibn Ja'far al-Sadiq- his youngest son.
Mufadhal ibn Amr- his Gate keeper and a prominent student.
Sunni scholars Abū Ḥanīfa and Malik ibn Anas worked with Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr, Hisham ibn Urwah, Salim ibn Abd-Allah, Zayd ibn Ali, Ja'far Al-Sadiq and Muhammad al-Baqir
Abū Ḥanīfa - founder of Hanafi school of thought.
Malik ibn Anas – founder of the Maliki school of thought.

He taught all of these men, yet very few scholars refer to him? He taught two of the major Imams in the Ahle Sunnah wal-jamaat school of thought, yet very few of his scholarly works are at all referred to?

All of the Shias' books today were written 100s of years after the original scholars.  The narrations that the shias have on Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq are all unreliable.  Like I mentioned before, the shia's scriptures were written at least 200 years years after OUR SAHIH BUKHARI AND SAHIH MUSLIM Hadiths.  And those Hadith volumes of ours were compiled 300 years after the Prophet.  Our books' sources though contain many Hadiths that are traceable to original sources.  NONE OF THE SHIAS' HADITHS are traceable to any original source!  They are like the Bible's verses.  They're just there.  No chain of narrations to the original source.

Nothing makes sense anymore. Do you not see how politics has wrecked this all ? People crave for power, forget Islam, kill the true muslims, distort the message.

Come back to Mainstream Islam.  Why are you with a deviant cult?  And politics are irrelevant here.  I know that the shias' polytheistic religion is based on the politics of the old days when a conflict broke out over Uthman's death.  This is how they justify their:

1-  Constant curses to the Companions of the Prophet, peace be upon him and them.

2-  Beating themselves with swords, knives, rocks and shoes.  They even beat their own little children (the shias beat their own children that is).

To us real Muslims, those poltics are long gone, and they are irrelevant to us today, because they are not part of Islam.  As Allah Almighty Commanded us to never dwell into the dramas of the people before us:

[002:134]  That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

Please visit this link to see how I have thoroughly destroyed the shia satanic religion in this thorough debate that I had with a shia here on this board:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

It is clear that Shiism is not Islam.  All Shias are required to disown this dangerous cult.  Leave this satanic idol worship and zionist agency, and come back to the True and Real Islam.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[zulfiqarchucknorris]

I dont think that was the main reason they killed Uthman, Uthman, as good man he was, did make mistakes, among them, putting weak and corrupt rulers in powerful positions, they were also from his own family, so in addtion to previous things, he was also charged with nepotism, Uthman's family the ummayads also gained some power over him, and he was seen as weak. Some Muslims, such as muhammad bin Abu Bakr, Naturally didnt like that, so he got a few men to petition the caliph, uthman agreed, to begin reforms and remove the weak rulers, especially the governor in that town in iraq, cant remember which one though. However, uthmans secretary, Marwan bin Al Hakam (uthmans relative and future ummayd caliph), over heard and felt that his family would be ruined, he probably also felt that he would be dimissed, or he felt that Uthman had been humialted, or he might have felt that his family, including him, were losing there grip on Uthman, we might never know the motive, but what we do know is that he forged a letter to the governor of egypt (oriraq) to kill Muhammad ibn abi Bakr and his follwers upon there arrivals, he used Uthman's signature and his seal to make sure it looked like it came form the caliph directly. The letter was intercepted by Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr and his followers, and they were alarmed, it looked like the caliph had ordered there execution. So they raisedsome men, and marched to medina to siege the caliph, after many events during the siege, includingfor a brief time when the caliph was not allowed water, and besiegers broke in and killed Uthman. This is what i was taught, i could probably be wrong. BTW i would be importaant to note that Ali sent his 2 sons Hassan and Husayn to defend Uthman, so it would be unlikely that ali didn't like uthman, not agreeing on some policies and hating a person are two different things.

PS, i know i said Egypt and iraq here, I dont remember which is whic, whther it was the govenor of egypt or the govenor of iraq, or wther muhammad bin abi bakr was returning to egypt or iraq, so you have to forgive me about that
peace

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Zulfiqar,

May Allah Almighty bless you for the good contribution.  From what I've read and what I've been told, dear brother, the burning of the false qurans played a major role in the killing of Caliph Uthman.  And really, this makes sense for the following reasons:

1-  The Islamic leaders that ruled the new Muslims' lands were already leaders of the Muslims before those lands were opened.

2-  Those same leaders were also leaders, or at least enjoyed avery high status of leadership and rulership among the Muslims, during Prophet Muhammad's days (remember my post about the Prophet choosing to live in Madina and left the Meccans to be the leaders), and also during Caliph Abu Bakr, Omar and Uthman.

MY CHALLENGE TO ALL SHIAS:

That's why I always challenge the Shias when they curse the Prophet's Companions, and even the closest of his companions, whom he even married his daughters to, and he himself married from their daughters, by telling asking them:  Who made these people's high statuses?  Was it not the Prophet of Islam himself?  Take Uthman for example.  He is one the Shias' most accursed people.  Yet, this pious leader:

(a)-  Compiled the Glorious Quran that we are blessed to have today, which had been proven to be Overwhelmingly Scientifically Miraculous.

(b)-  The Prophet honored him by marrying two of his daughters to him.  After the first one died, the Prophet married the second one to him.  This is why Uthman's nickname is "Dhul-Noorayn" (the one with the two lights).  The two lights here refer to the Prophet's daughters, Ruqayyah and Umm Kulthum.

That is why one can never take the shiism seriously.  Even its scholars (zionist agents) deceive the masses and rob their money.  And what bothers me the most about this false religion and cult is the fact that its "scholars" are not even required to be scholars of the Glorious Quran!  Most of our prominant Sunni Scholars are memorizers and scholars of the Holy Quran.  The shias' scholars are nothing but barking dogs that yell and scream false emotions in their mosques during their cermons.  And what's worse is that they only know little about the Quran!  A perfect weak spot for the zionists to enter threw to poison the Muslims!  This is how zionist Khomainy became one of shiim's GREATEST SCHOLARS!  He was brought from Paris to Tehran on a zionist airplane.  Any zionist agent could dress like a shia cleric and bark emotions and slap his face and look real.  He doesn't have to be a scholar.

3-  I am sure your points are valid, dear brother Zulfiqar.  But I think the driving point was when the other qurans were burnt.  This has upset many in Iraq (they were new Muslims and ignorants).

I will insha'Allah post solid references that will back these claims up.

Take care dear brother,
Osama Abdallah

[zulfiqarchucknorris]

But weren't the organisation of the qurans were done a few years before his first problems, i think the driving point was that uthman appointed many corrput govenors in iraq and egypt, and people were not happy because of that, uthman's family having power over him, and his growing nepotism.
this led to the fitna thati spoke of above.
Peace