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Quote from: adnaanshaikh195 on February 17, 2013, 10:38:03 PM

Quote from: There is only one God on February 17, 2013, 10:00:51 PM

Quote from: Mujahid Saifullah on February 17, 2013, 07:20:17 PM

I concur. It makes no sense to have inconsistent laws. Legalization of narcotics will decrease organized crime. Look at Mexico with their drug and gun laws, yet criminals are running the place.

Marijuana doesn't turn you into a deranged psychopathic violent criminal. It actually turns you into a pacifist. This is why the ban on Marijuana took place a few years before WWII.
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Just curious, how do you know that 'Zoroaster' was a prophet? I'm not denying, neither accepting it, just wondering.

Where are you getting that idea from? I never implied that

You wrote: " the prophet
Zoroaster wrote a sacred text listing 10,000
medicinal plants, with medical marijuana
at the top "

 Don't worry kid, you'll hit puberty soon

That was copied and pasted. and I meant he was a prophet in the religious sense. Defined as A person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God: "the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah".
Oh and before you bash me, you need to stop crying "I LEAVING AGAIN OMG OMG DAJJAL OMG NICE WOW WEBSITE CHRISTIAN ONLY TALK JESUS OMG SHIA KUFR OMG WHATEVERISNOTTHERELIGIONIWASRAISEDINISFALSE" gee, doesn't THAT sound a bit arrogant..

Period pains if i'm right, aww, you're finally hitting puberty, don't worry.

Lmao, making a mockery out of me, do you know how stupid your topics make you look? How old are you?
I asked why you thought 'Zoroaster' was a prophet, and you replied "WT* when did i say that?", are you stupid? don't you read your topics before you post them? Fool, and of course if a muslim posts a topic where it says 'Prophet ______' i'm going to question them, you could've said "oh i copied and pasted it" instead of replying with "WT* when did i say that", but no, you are stupid.

Secondly, please go the the Shia topic I created a while ago and reply to what I asked from you, you have problems reading what other people post too, you claimed something of which i did not, please go and read the post, and show me where I wrote such and such (I'm not bothered going to the topic to find what you accused me of writing).

Thirdly, enough with your badty stupid topics. "OH THE QUR'AN DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY WE ARE ALL FROM ADAM, WE MIGHT HAVE EVOLVED. OH THE NETHEARFAKFKSFK WERE MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY BURIED THEIR DEAD ", Oh GUESS WHAT, THE AHTEISTS TODAY MUST BE MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY BURY THEIR DEAD TOO, dumb retard.

The Dajjal is not purely symbolic, he will be a man, not a cyclops as you falsely claim we believe, The evidence is for it is when the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him)'s companion Tamim-adhari and his companions went on a journey to sea and crashed into an Island and met the Dajjal, The Dajjal told them when he would come and told them it would be better to follow the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) as it would be better for them, and also, when the prophet went on his ascention to the heavens, he saw the Dajjal too.

"I meant he was a prophet in the religious sense" - Are you retarded?? first you said "WHERE DID I WRITE THAT", now you're saying you meant it in that sense? What the **** are you on about religious sense? That's like me saying, the Prophet Paul corrupted the message of Jesus, and then someone asking me, there is no Prophet between Jesus and Muhammad so what do you mean? and me replying, " bad WHERE DID I WRITE THAT " "OH MY BAD, I AM RETARDED AND I CANNOT READ WHAT I COPIED AND PASTED " "OH WAIT I DID NOT MEAN IT THAT WAY I MEANT IT IN A RELIGIOUS SENSE " "OH WAIT I JUST REALIZED HOW RETARDED I AM FOR LYING "

If you say yes you better give a good reason.

Banning Marijuana because it
1) Cures cancer and AIDS
2) Will screw up our corrupt health care system (grown at home medicine)
the Roman Catholic
Church banned medical marijuana during
the Dark Ages

Todd Mccormick was given six months, diagnosed with cancer. His mom gave him marijuana and while the rest of the people were soggy from the chemo, Todd fought and is still fighting today. He cross bred many variations and eventually ended up labeling a use for each (including one for cancer). The DEA came and took it all. Cost for bailing out someone caught using medical marijuana (1900s): 500k. Cost for bailing murderers out: 50k. Hmm...

Annual drug and alcohol deaths in the
United States:
Tobacco ……....450,000
Alcohol …..…...100,000
Prescriptions......100,000
Aspirin…..............1,000
Marijuana....................0

Before you bring up "omg dangerous addictive", alcohol kills more than weed and has no medical advantages whatsoever. People abuse eating and die of heart diseases, should we ban food? According to American logic, yes.
Relics discovered in ancient pyramids
indicate that Egyptian physicians prescribed
medical marijuana for childbirth.

The first recorded evidence of medical
marijuana use appeared over 4,700 years
ago in the pharmacopoeia of Shen Nung,
one of the fathers of Chinese medicine. In
Persia 2,700 years ago, the prophet
Zoroaster wrote a sacred text listing 10,000
medicinal plants, with medical marijuana
at the top

Just curious, how do you know that 'Zoroaster' was a prophet? I'm not denying, neither accepting it, just wondering.

Hi Brother Osama,

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus Christ was already an annointed Messiah before the crucifixion.  He wasn't just a mere Prophet and just Jesus.  No, he was the Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic).  So, the women coming to the tomb with "spices" is a misleading interpretation and a translation, because there was no need to annoint him in the tomb.  And why would you annoint a dead person to become the Messiah anyway??  So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the women actually came to the tomb (cave which Christ was laying on the floor in) with MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead one), and not just mere spices.

There is nothing that suggests that the women came to anoint Lord Jesus so that he may become Messiah. It was just common Jewish burial practice to wash the body, wrap it in linen cloth and anointed with spices and oils. A basic definition of the word 'anoint' is 'To apply oil, ointment, or a similar substance'. There are examples in the Bible where anointing is used to sanctify someone such as a King but in the case of a burial, the definition I have given here is the most fitting. 

http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.  Burried to us today means that one would be placed in a coffin and burried underground.  This NEVER happened to Jesus.  He was only put in a cave on the floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there for 3 or so days.  So no burrial occured, which further proves that the Bible here is also speaking in metaphores:

Jesus was buried in a tomb - it was not uncommon in those times. Abraham and Jacob was buried in a tomb as it says in the Bible

Acts 7: 15-16
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.

Genesis 25:8-9
8 Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. 9 Isaac and Ishmael his sons buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, east of Mamre,

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

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Your points on http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same meaning that it was written in. As time does not permit me to go through them all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.

Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a hypothetical situation - note the use of the word 'if'.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who lie will have to stand before God in judgement.

This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9 And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this is what he believed and urged others to do, he would not lie.

My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he would.  No need to re-translate it and re-interpret it.  Here is what the English translation says:

Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.

Dear Brother, the Holy Spirit is my witness when I say I did not re-interpret it or retranslate the passage, I just explained in simpler terms. After all, who am I to add to or take away from the word of God? You don't need to look beyond these verses to come to the conclusion I came to. For example, Romans 3:7 - But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? Similarly, in verses Philippians 1:15-18, the passage is very clear - there is only 1 meaning of this - some people are preaching Christ out of false motives - 'envy and rivalry' so that 'they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains'. The lying that you refer to is the 'false motives' that Paul describes. This says that the lie is that people pretend they preach out of goodwill but it is actually for their 'selfish ambition'.They are competing with Paul whilst he is imprisoned. Paul is saying he doesn't care (i.e. about the envy and rivalry) but he rejoices as Christ is preached.  I just cannot see from where you got the idea that Paul would lie if he had to.

Well, it is 100% clear in this verse that I would still be condemned as a sinner even if a lie I tell is for the glory of God.

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

So as we clearly see, Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly tricked the enemies of David into thinking that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in actuality this wasn't his primary purpose and mission.  His primary mission was to annoint David, which was kept hidden under the Command of GOD Almighty.

Yes, God did not allow Samuel to reveal His plans to Saul. Why would he? It wasn't the time when God wanted David to be revealed as the King of Israel. That is not the same as lying.

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in the Old Testament?

This is the passage that you are referring to:
1 Kings 22:17-23
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
 
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
 
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
 
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
 
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

King Ahab wants to go to battle and he was Jehoshaphat to go with him. Jehoshaphat wants to ask the Lord before going for battle so the King calls out 400 false prophets and they all say that the King will be victorious. Jehoshaphat is not convinced and he wants to hear from a prophet of the Lord and therefore Micaiah is called. He prophesied disaster.

We can see that King Ahab, unlike Jehoshaphat, had already made up his mind to do what was against the will of God (i.e. go to war) before he had even heard from the prophet of the Lord. God permitted a a lying spirit to be in all the false prophets. This highlights the absolute sovereignty over all things. Even the lying spirit cannot do anything unless God allows them to. If someone wants to commit a murder, they may have that spirit of Satan in him but it is there because God allowed it to be there. If someone is not under the mighty hand of God, they are open to attack - this due to the choices made by people to turn away from God. God protects all who trust in his name - he protects them from Satan, from people etc. However, Satan is free to destroy those who are not the children of God - and yes, Satan cannot do anything unless God allows it to happen. But you can see that the Spirit of God did not lie to Ahab - Micaiah prophesied disaster and revealed everything.

I am aware that it says the Quran that it appeared to them that Jesus was crucified. Well, if that were true, Allah would be lying. Also, there is absolutely no reason why this 'false vision' would be of any use to anyone.

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

My discussion with you, dear brother, is based on what the New Testament currently says.  And even with what the New Testament says, we can clearly see that Christ never died.

The New Testament does say that Jesus died in many places one of which is below.

Mark 15:37-39
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died,[a] he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM

All authority was given to Jesus here on earth, and earth only, by GOD Almighty.  GOD Almighty made him the heir of earth:

This is not entirely true.

Mathew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Also, if you accept that all authority on earth had been given to Jesus, why would you refrain from believing what he said and obeying his commands concerning baptism etc ? Yes, the greatest command is to love God. Firstly, to love God means to do his will. Secondly, obeying the greatest commandment does not mean that one is allowed to diregard the others - James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

When Jesus came to the Earth, he came to do the will of the Father and did everything through His Holy Spirit. No one denies that. Before he was born as a man, he was in the same nature of God but he hold onto his equality with God but left that to come to Earth for the salvation of mankind.

Philippians 2:6-11

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

Yes, Jesus did not want to be exalted by men when he was a man but as we can see in the New Testament, he was worshipped after his resurrection when he was no longer of human form.

Dear brothers and sisters, I urge to to seek God's voice for yourself. The Bible speaks of prophets and men of God but their testimony is their own. The Bible shows us the glory of God but we must all seek the God for ourselves and listen to His voice. I was only able to accept the Bible as the word of God after it God revealed it to me. I don't expect that you will listen to my voice and I wouldn't ask you to; but you must listen to the voice of God.

Mathew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
 
27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.


If we are wise in our own eyes, the Spirit of God will not work in us. Let us be like children and so that we may hear God's voice.
 
And it is the voice of the Lord that lead me to where I now stand in Christ from whom nothing can separate me. I pray that God may do the same for you.

God bless you all.

Blablabla, Jesus is not God, end off.

Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus, they worship him, and their people are full of pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made laws, rape, pedophilia, etc.

Worship God alone.

There is none worthy of worship except God alone.

Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent by God.

'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.

Where did Osama Abdallah say this? Btw, Osama Abdallah, can i call you Osama Abdullah instead? (Serious question)

Secondly, the word Shia in Arabic, means division or sect if that makes sense.

John 14:8-11
 
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

Mathew 16:13-17

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 

May the Lord God also reveal to you this salvation which can be found under no other name. May the grace of God be with you.

All I get from you Christians is Jesus, Jesus and Jesus.

I will never worship a human who never claimed to be God or divine in anyway, he also commanded his people to worship his Lord (He Jesus peace be upon him said 'Our Lord').

Don't reply to me telling me that he was in his human form and crap like that, it's illogical, the trinity exists in pagan origins, it was used with the Egyptians, it's used today with the Hindus, and also at the time on Nimrod (The king Abraham (peace be upon him) argued against).

Jesus is son of man, it's clear.

" God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? " (Numbers 23:19)

I worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Jacob (Israel), Adam, Ishmael, Isaac etc. (Peace be upon them all)

I will never worship a human or anything except God alone.

Jesus (peace be upon him)  prayed to God, you pray to Jesus.

I am following Jesus more then you are, it's logical.

There are several key verses which Christians use to prove the biblical origin of the Trinity.  Upon analysis of these verses, one can clearly see that they do not prove the Trinity, but rather the same monotheistic message of God.  One of the most frequently cited passages from the Bible is Isaiah 9:6-7, from which Christians conclude that the Messiah must be God incarnate.  The passage states:

“or a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.  There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.”

That Isaiah 9:6 has been misinterpreted can be seen from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Eternal Father” anywhere else in Bible.  Since the Trinitarian doctrine teaches that Christians should “neither confound the Persons nor divide the Substance” (Athanasian Creed), how can the Trinitarians accept that Jesus is the “Eternal Father”? Let us consider additional facts impartially.

First, all the Hebrew verb forms in Isaiah 9:6 are in the past tense.  For example, the word which the Christian Bibles render as “his name will be called” is the two words ‘vayikra shemo,’ which properly translated, should read “his name was called.”  The word “vayikra” is the first word to appear in the book of Leviticus (1:1), and it is translated properly over there – in the past tense.  In addition, the King James Version translates the same verbs elsewhere in the past tense in Genesis 4:26 and Isaiah 5:25.  Only in Isaiah 9:6-7 are these verbs translated in the future tense!

Notice that it says “a child HAS been born to us.”  This is an event that has just occurred, not a future event.  Isaiah is not making a prophecy, but recounting history.  A future event would say a child will be born to us, but this is NOT what the verse says.  The Christian translations capitalize the word ‘son’ assuming that this is a messianic prophecy and the names of a divine son.

Second, the two letter word “is”, is usually not stated in Hebrew.  Rather, “is” is understood.  For example, the words “hakelev” (the dog) and “gadol” (big), when joined into a sentence - hakelev gadol - means “the dog IS big,” even though no Hebrew word in that sentence represents the word “is.”  A more accurate translation of the name of that child, then, would be “A wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting father ...”.  This name describes God, not the person who carries the name.  The name Isaiah itself means “God is salvation,” but no one believes the prophet himself is God in a human body!

Third, the phrase “Mighty God” is a poor translation according to some biblical scholars.  Although English makes a clear distinction between “God” and “god,” the Hebrew language, which has only capital letters, cannot.  The Hebrew word “God” had a much wider range of application than it does in English.  Some suggest a better translation for the English reader would be “mighty hero,” or “divine hero.”  Both Martin Luther and James Moffatt translated the phrase as “divine hero” in their Bibles.

Fourth, according to the New Testament, Jesus was never called any of these names in his lifetime.

Fifth, if Isaiah 9:6 is taken to refer to Jesus, then Jesus is the Father!  And this is against the Trinitarian doctrine.

Sixth, the fact that the New Testament does not quote this passage shows that even the New Testament authors didn’t take this verse to be in reference to Jesus.

Seventh, the passage is talking about the wonders performed by the Lord for Hezekiah, king of Judah.  Preceding verses in Isaiah 9 talk of a great military triumph by Israel over its enemies.  At the time Isaiah is said to have written this passage, God had just delivered King Hezekiah and Jerusalem from a siege laid by the Assyrians under General Sennacherib.  The deliverance is said to have been accomplished in spectacular fashion: an angel went into the Assyrian camp and killed 185,000 soldiers while they slept.  When Sennacherib awoke to find his army decimated, he and the remaining soldiers fled, where he was assassinated by his own sons (Isaiah 37:36-38).  Chapters 36 and 37 of Isaiah recount how Hezekiah stood firm in the face of Sennacherib’s vast army and his blasphemous words against the God.  When all seemed lost, Hezekiah continued to trust in the Lord, and for this he was rewarded with a miraculous victory.  It is interesting to note that the statement, “the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this,” found at the end of Isaiah 9:7, is found in only two other places in the Bible: Isaiah 37:32 and 2 Kings 19:31.  Both these passages discuss the miraculous deliverance of Hezekiah by God.  Therefore, in light of the above, Isaiah is recounting God’s defense of Jerusalem during the Assyrian siege.  Furthermore, Soncino’s commentary says the chapter is about the fall of Assyria and the announcement of the birth of Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz.

The Hebrew name “Immanuel” can be translated as, “God with us” or “God is with us.” Some people believe, based on Isaiah 7:14, that because Jesus would be called “Immanuel,” he must be God incarnate.  Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23 are often read around Christmas.  They are read as follows:

Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

First, the prophesy states that his name will be Immanuel.”

It does not say that “he will be Immanuel.”

Second, Mary never called her child “Immanuel” as required by the prophecy.  According to the Bible, she named him Jesus following instructions by the angel of God.

Matthew 1:25 “but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a son; and he called His name Jesus.”

Luke 1:30-31 “The angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God.  And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.”

Third, when read in context, the birth and naming of the child Immanuel was to be a sign for king Ahaz that God was with his people who were about to be invaded by two rival kingdoms (Isa 7:10-16).  The promise was fulfilled by God (2 Kings 16:9).  The name “God is with us,” means that God will support us.[1]  The name makes perfect sense if the child’s name was supposed to indicate to King Ahaz that God was on his side.

Isa 7:10-16 “Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, ‘Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.’ But Ahaz said, ‘I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.’ Then Isaiah said, ‘Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men?  Will you try the patience of my God also?  Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.  He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.  But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.”

2 Kings 16:9 The king of Assyria complied by attacking Damascus and capturing it.  He deported its inhabitants to Kir and put Rezin to death.

Fourth, Isaiah 7:14 in actual Hebrew does not say a virgin would give birth but that a young woman would conceive.  The Hebrew word almah, used in Isaiah 7:14 means young woman or maiden, not a virgin.  The Hebrew word for virgin is b’tulah.  The RSV (Revised Standard Version) Bible is one of the few Christian Bibles that used the translation ‘young woman’ instead of replacing it with the word ‘virgin.’

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign.  Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman’u-el.

Fifth, when something is “called” a certain name, it does not mean that the thing is literally what it is called.  Symbolic names are frequently used by Hebrews in the Bible.  Many names would cause great problems if taken literally.  Jerusalem is called “the Lord our Righteousness,” and Jerusalem is obviously not God (Jer. 33:16).  In Genesis 32:30, we are told that Jacob called a piece of land “Face of God.”  Abraham called the mountain on which he was about to sacrifice Ishmael “the Lord will provide,” yet no one would believe that the mountain was God.  Similarly, no one would believe an altar was God, even if Moses called it that: “Moses built an altar and called it ‘the Lord is my Banner’” (Ex. 17:15).  Would Christians believe that Elijah was “God Jehovah,” or that Bithiah, a daughter of Pharaoh, was the sister of Jesus because her name means “daughter of Jehovah?”  Do Christians believe that Dibri, not Jesus, was the “Promise of Jehovah,” or that Eliab was the real Messiah since his name means “My God (is my) father?”  Similarly, would they say that Jesus Bar-Abbas, who avoided crucifixion by being set free (Mat.  27:15-26)[2], was the son of God because his name meant “Jesus, son of his Father”?  Of course not.

We can conclude that reading Jesus as the fruition of a prophecy in Isaiah is only due to Matthew quoting the prophecy, rather than people actually calling Jesus Immanuel in his lifetime.  Furthermore, even if his name was Immanuel, the name does not necessarily reflect the fact, as can be seen from other names linked with God (in the Hebrew forms of El or Yah) belonging to other people.  Making the claim that Immanuel means Jesus God in the flesh among His people is therefore merely  an example of how the Trinitarian doctrine of incarnation was forced upon the message of Jesus by “bending” prophecies.

The above was taken from Islamreligion.com

It pleases me to know there are intelligent people here.

Hate achieves nothing.

A Muslim is a Muslim. Stop the sectarian division. You weaken the ummah when you do this.

The Shi'ites are willing to go to war for the ummah. We are all brethren.

Ameen.

The point of this topic was not hate and bash on Shiites, it's just to prove that their beliefs distinguish themselves from the people of Ahl us Sunnah and that some of the things they do can actually take them out of Islam without knowing!

The point of the topic was to expose them!

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Koray's mum is very wise. Like she said. If they call themselves muslim regardless of whatever they do just leave it between them and Allah.

I find it so weird you mentioned Koray's mom LOL

Hehe. Didnt he mention that he asked his mum if shias were muslims and she said if they say they're muslims its between them and Allah (or something along those lines). It stuck with me.

What are you doing here? Help Quransearchcom find his missing Quran! He's been searching for it everywhere, even made a company about it called QuranSearchCompany

They are not muslims.
Anyone who worships anyone other than Allah swt is not a muslim, or worships someone with Allah.
Also, speaking of Judeo-Christian alliance, the Shiites allied with the Crusaders to kill the muslims!
Even today, they believe that there '12th Imam' will come and he will kill muslims, like literally all people of Ahlus-Sunnah and he will destroy mosques and will resurrect Aisha, Umar, Abubakr etc and will torture them! They also believe there '12th' Imam will have Jewish-Christian followers in the majority, they also believe he will bring the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) will become one his followers, seriously? This is not Islam.

They believe this dajjal is living in a cellar too, lmao what a joke.

The Shiites believe there imams are divine and have knowledge of the unseen. There are sects amongst them too, such as the Awlaites who believe in a trinity, they are the people of Bashar-Al-Assad (May Allah destroy him) who are fighting against the muslims of Syria.

Some Shiites even believe that Jibraeel made a mistake and was supposed to give Ali revelation. Shiites do not decend from the Ahluh-Bait, (the ones they worship), but they decend from a Jew and a Pagan fire worshipper.

I'm sorry if I sound rude, but if you worship anything with Allah you are NOT muslim, the pagan arabs knew that Allah was the one who provided rain, etc and had the power to give life and cause death, but they believed in Incessors liked the Shiites do when they call upon the dead (Ali, Imams) etc.

It's funny how people say "Oh they are muslim, respect them", when they independently curse us and they believe anyone who is not on there Aqeeda is not on the right path, they are disgusting, i'm sorry I am not apart of anyone who curses the Companions of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and kills my brothers and sisters in Syria etc.