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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / From a forum
« Last post by Emre_1974tr on May 25, 2021, 09:19:47 AM »

From a forum:

"Did Satan trick Christians into worshiping it as 'God'?

Here is description of Yahweh, the God of the Bible:

There went up a smoke out of his [Yahweh's] nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
Psalm 18:8 & 2 Samuel 22:9

And here is a description of the Leviathan [aka Satan]:

Out of his [Leviathan's] nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. Job 41:20

As we can see, Yahweh’s description is identical to Leviathan’s/Satan's description! Both described as a fire-breathing dragon!
Isaiah 27:1… Leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; the dragon that is in the sea.

Yet Yahweh is described exactly as the Leviathan? (dragon)

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world [into worshiping it as 'God']

Here's another possible clue that ‘the LORD’ ['God'] of the Bible really might be Satan!

These 2 passages are referenced to each other in my Bible (KJV) and you can check for yourself that they are in the same context (by reading the succeeding few verses)

<< 2 Samuel 24 >>
King James Version

1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Is referenced to:
<< 1 Chronicles 21 >>
King James Version

1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Within the same exact context, the terms ‘the LORD’ and ‘Satan’ are used interchangeably! – as if they were the same entity!"
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 22, 2021, 05:31:26 PM »
Jazakallah Khayran for answering the questions. I guess you have to send your daughter to Islamic schools. And you have to be really careful.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 05:28:10 PM »
Also wow you definitely hate Wstern women a lot, lol. And who was that one guy who said that, you knew him?

A guy at work.  I don't hate anyone.  I wish them all Divine Guidance from Allah Almighty.  But I definitely do not want my daughter to associate with anyone of them.  Me and my wife are in total agreement on this.  No non-Muslim female friend, and certainly no male friend at all (Muslim or none).
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM »
Maybe brother.  There is no certain documentation about this.  Again, memorizing 6236 Noble Verses is not easy.  Maybe the Prophet, peace be upon him, actually did.  But in the end, it wouldn't at all compromise the preservation of the Holy Quran, because it was thoroughly documented and preserved by the community, and not just by one person.  Plus the Quran is read in parts and systematically in our daily Prayers from beginning to end, and is read whole during the Month of Ramadan.  So there were many who memorized it and documented it.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 22, 2021, 05:25:00 PM »
Also wow you definitely hate Wstern women a lot, lol. And who was that one guy who said that, you knew him?
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 22, 2021, 05:20:08 PM »
Everything has been answered but now I have one question. I thought Muhammad memorized the whole quran, wasn't he a hafiz?
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 04:35:36 PM »
You will not find two who agree on which abrogates which in the Glorious Quran, and on the amount of verses that are abrogated.  Every quack barks his conjecture.  All of those who bark abrogation are either quacks or liars that fabricate lies on the Holy Quran.  There is no abrogation in the Quran.  Period.  It was a lie that was invented by infidels.

As to Prophet Muhammad forgetting Noble Verses, that is normal for a flesh and blood human being.  The Glorious Quran is made of 6236 Noble Verses.  Prophet Muhammad didn't have all of them memorized.  The preservation of the Quran was thorough and complete by the companions and family of the Prophet.  Please visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

As to ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا , this is referring to the women (lesbians or not) who commit lewdness.  Lewdness includes adultery.  It is broader.  Here if they repent (not go back to it again after being found guilty and convicted), then they are to be set free ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا .  Otherwise, they are to be locked up till death comes upon them.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/homosexuals.htm


Again, there is no abrogation.  The adultery punishment is specific between a man and a woman, and it is limited to SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.  Otherwise it would be LAMAM (like kissing and touching before actual sex), which is a lesser crime than ZINA (sexual intercourse).  This LAMAM falls under lewdness.  In a nutshell, there are levels and degrees to sexual sinning.  They're not all the same.



Women's Temptations and Corruption:

I personally believe that Allah Almighty has placed this Law of locking them up till death if they're caught again is to prevent women from prostituting and spreading evil in the lands.  Women are forbidden from dressing sexy and showing off their curves and temptations.  Islam stops them at their tracks from defiling the land with their filth.  A woman is expected to be pious, chaste and the pinnacle of chastity and modesty.  Prostitutes and filthy temptations have no place in Muslim society.

Most Western women and men have great respect towards Muslim women, who dress modest and are chaste.  A woman in the West is nothing but a walking vagina, breasts and butt.  Like one guy once said, put a pillow on her face and "f her"; meaning who gives a two cents rats ass about how she feels and what she has to say.

A Muslim woman is truly dignified and is treated with best dignity and respect, and she is the best woman to produce and raise societies, especially in raising daughters.  Non-Muslim women are treated like harlots, and are viewed as harlots, which are (again) nothing but walking sexual objects to test drive.  The overwhelming majority of them have been test driven by many men, each.  Such quality is garbage.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 21, 2021, 02:26:08 PM »
For point 1, now I dont understand how this is abrogation anymore. One is about money and the other is about marriage. I just don't understand why muslim scholars say this is an abrogation. So this one is solved.

For point 2, the points are cleared. But I just want to know what you mean by this Verse is talking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Jibreel. But now I understand that this Verse is just signifying Allah's power and has nothing to do with the Quran.

For point 3, however, I don't understand why Allah would say    ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا (Or God ordains another way for them)"
​Don't these words sound like Allah will later abrogate this ruling? (Like 24:2)? I mean I believe there is no abrogation in the Quran, and if there is no abrogation in the Quran, this ruling MUST only refer to lesbians because it is a different punishment for straight (man-woman) adultery as 24:2 declares. So please try to describe to me why Allah would say "or God ordains another way for them" if there is no abrogation.

Thank you so much.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Holy Quran says matter is real
« Last post by Emre_1974tr on May 15, 2021, 11:17:47 AM »
6:7 And if We had sent down to you a book already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say: "This is but clear magic!"

If we look at other signs other than the clear meaning of this verse; Does it mean that you insist on accepting all these realities as an illusion and illusion, even though we clearly present you physical things that you can perceive with your buyers?

52:13 The Day they will be called into Hell, forcibly:

52:14 "This is the Fire which you used to deny!"

52:15 "Is this magic, or do you not see?"

Again, apart from the first clear meaning of this verse, if we are to do brain training; You have always called the world of matter a dream, an illusion, now taste the torment of the fierce fire and see if matter is real or is it illusion? Could it also contain an indirect warning in its sense?

52:44 And if they see a portion from the heaven falling, they will say: "Piled clouds!"

54:2 And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "Ongoing magic!"

In these verses, apart from their first meanings, can it be a warning for those who see the world of matter as an illusion and try to deny its reality by saying that there are "energy fluctuations piled up in the origin of matter" or something?

6:30 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said: "Is this not the truth?" They said: "Yes, by our Lord," He said: "Then taste the retribution for what you have rejected."

Again, in this verse, the first and real sense of the disappointment of the unbelievers as a result of their religious denial is described. But again, if we are to do brain training other than the first meaning of the verses,  that those who thinks worls is a illusion despite all their proof of the material world be criticized indirectly.

As I said, the reason I wrote all these verses is just to exercise the mind. In any case, no one can say "this is the following" for the secondary and tertiary meanings of the verses. Those who say are in error.

However, some verses directly give us the information that matter-creatures are real:

46:3 We did create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except, with the truth, and for an appointed time. And those who disbelieve turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.


In his verses, Allah states that He created as "truth".

In addition, in some of his verses, he swears on the creatures he created. For example:

95:1 By the fig and the olive.

95:2 And the mount of ages.

95:3 And this land of peace.


Our Lord does not swear on a dream. The truth is that he swears on them.


In short, the belief that "everything is a game of our perceptions, in fact matter is just a dream" that the Spiritualist/New Ageist doctrine tries to impose on people is not true.

(from my Turkish article with machine translation)

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/madde-de-gercektir.html
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Jazakum Allah Khayr, brothers.  Likewise to you and your families, insha'Allah.
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