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question on the black stone
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:58:30 AM »
assalamu alaiku,

i have read the previous question of karim fattah so i went to read about it, and i specifically read about the stealling of the black stone.  it was stolen by a man named: Abū Tāhir Sulaymān al-Jannābī, from the sect of the Qarmatians. this man when he took the black stone he ylled o allah where are your birds. Why didnt allah kill this man with his birds, why did he let his man kill many peaceful muslims and then steal the black stone for over 23 years, how did the muslims do hajj at this time?

so why would allah swt allow for the black stone being stolen, why would allah not kill this man who killed so many muslims and then challenged allah and calling him a liar, i also saw many links which i wont post as i know osama will delete them saying that he used this stone as his urinoir. How could allah swt allow all of this to happen, how was the hajj done in this time etc. etc.

jazakallah khair

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Re: question on the black stone
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 10:01:45 AM »
also it doesnt make much sense, why would allah destroy a nation which wants to destroy the kaaba, but later the kaaba is almost destroyed by fire, and also allah allowed the black stone to be stolen for over 23 years, how could he allow this to happen, isnt this the house of his worship? how is the hajj to be done, how could he let someone cast doubtys about allah by challenging him etc.

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Re: question on the black stone
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 10:24:47 AM »
although i am seriously not in a mood to answer to your question but your question seems to be flawed or the source from where you took it......

1. karims topic states that some people called qamaritans took it just because they wanted to change the direction of the qibla
notice they did not wanted to harm it or anything they just wanted their palce to be the point for hajj they did not harm the stone for 23 years but nobody changed the direction ( here the qamaritans failed because people did not deviate because we do not worship the stone or we dont do hajj for the stone )

2. you say he challenged allah swt bro every single day almost every single anti islamic person challenges allah if allah was to stone the person doing this world population would only have been 1.5 billion not to forget people challenged allah during the time of prophet muhammed and made kaba a worship place for pagans

3. if he really challenged allah then where does the intention of making their place for hajj came from ??? doesnt make any sense......
with regards to incident about ababeel and stone from sky this happened before prophet muhammed i.e :- before the final message now allah will not go place to place showing his signs or punishing every single person challenging him, final message has been delivered and now it is a test for us to believe or to not that will decide our fate at the judgement day...


NOTE :- THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION NOT SOME SCHOLARLY REFUTATION, FOR REFUTATION POINTS LIKE AUTHENTICITY OF THE SOURCE, CROSS REFERENCING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED...

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Re: question on the black stone
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 10:27:08 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Just a little bit off topic, regarding the "HOLINESS" of the black stone, the black stone is not holy at all in Islam.  Ironically though, it is the BIBLE that has holy stones.  How holy?  They get anointed with oil.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm


As to the elephants and the stones that bombarded them, see the archaeological findings on this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/elephants_story_and_protection_of_mecca.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: question on the black stone
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 10:29:48 AM »
HERE ARE SOME SENSIBLE ANSWERS YOU MAY FIND BTW DID ALLAH ANY WHERE IN THE QURAN SAY THAT NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO STEAL OR DESTROY KABA DID ALLAH PROMISE ???
ALLAH PROMISED ABOUT QURAN THAT NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE AND IT IS INFRONT OF YOU

https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Black-Stone-from-Kaaba-really-stolen-If-so-why-did-Allah-let-it-happen

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Re: question on the black stone
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 10:53:02 AM »
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(Did He not make their plan into misguidance? 105:2)

The year of the Elephant was one of the signs of how no human king = best of planner and happens to be the same period a prophet was born.

The value of Ka'aba is less than the blood of Muslims brothers/sisters. In the event where one encounter choices of having to save  Kaaba or saving Muslims, thus choose the latter.

 

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