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laloumen:
The verse doesn't say anything about barrenness in general.  It speaks specifically of the possibility of children for those two sinners.  God's judgment is that they will not have children from their relationship.  I'm not sure why you're harping on this text so much.  It's not complicated.  Even if you could demonstrate a case in which their was such a union producing children, besides merely **supposing** what you want to prove, it doesn't mean anything because the verse could just mean that the children would not be counted as children under the Mosaic law.

But, that God does render such judgment is clear from Scripture.  For instance, David's child with Bathsheba was not permitted to live:

But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again?
I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.
(2 Samuel 12:23)

and the woman of Thyatira spoken of in Rev 2,

and I will strike her children dead.
(Revelation 2:23)

This has nothing to do with becoming barren, necessarily.  There are other ways to be childless, as is seen above. 

But it is clear that this verse doesn't even remotely support your assertion, that "the Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!"  Your logic is simply atrocious - actually, no, there is no logic in what you say - you simply make an assertion with no support at all. 

I don't know if you read Greek but I do - or if you simply naively accept what you hear but I don't.  The word ἐγείρω transliterated EGEIRW can mean to resurrect, as in the following verses: Mat 11:11, Mat 12:42, Mat 14:2, Mat 24:7, Mat 24:11, Mat 26:32, Mat 26:46, Mat 27:63, Mat 27:64, Mat 28:6, Mat 28:7, Mar 4:27, Mar 6:14, Mar 6:16, Mar 10:49, Mar 12:26, Mar 13:8, Mar 13:22, Mar 14:28, Mar 14:42, Mar 16:6, Mar 16:14, Luk 5:23, Luk 6:8, Luk 7:16, Luk 9:7, Luk 11:8, Luk 11:31, Luk 13:25, Luk 21:10, Luk 24:6, Luk 24:34, Joh 2:22, Joh 5:8, Joh 13:4, Joh 21:14, Rom 8:34, 1Co 15:4, 1Co 15:12, 1Co 15:13, 1Co 15:14, 1Co 15:15, 1Co 15:16, 1Co 15:20, 1Co 15:29, 1Co 15:32, 2Co 5:15, Rev 11:1.

In addition to EGEIRW, the Bible commonly uses ANASTASIS in such phrases as ἀναστασις ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν (ANASTASIS EK TWN NEKRWN) resurrection from the dead, and speaks of Christ's resurrection from the dead.  For instance,

And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.
(Acts 4:33 ESV)

In addition, the word EGEIRW and ANASTATIS are used synonymously, as in the following:

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead,
how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
(1 Cor 15:12)

The logic is clear - that if Christ is raised from the dead, then there is a resurrection from the dead.  This statement requires that being raised from the dead is the same as the resurrection from the dead.  So, there is simply no force whatsoever to Dr. Zakir's ludicrous attempts to prove his point from the Bible.  It is a laughable argument which deceives only those who do not take the time to think for themselves.

And where is your response about the impossibility of God being both righteous and merciful in Islam?  It is a crushing fact, no doubt, but I had hoped you would pose some sort of defense.

In Christ,
Jim Beale

Egyptian:

--- Quote from: laloumen on September 17, 2012, 08:43:30 PM ---
And where is your response about the impossibility of God being both righteous and merciful in Islam?  It is a crushing fact, no doubt, but I had hoped you would pose some sort of defense.

In Christ,
Jim Beale

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dear Jim , that point "God being both just and merciful " has nothing to do with the thread topic .... so plz start a new thread if you wish, on that matter ....
and I will be there to show you how you poisoned your own well.

regards

Antiaparteid:
All I can say is... This thread is sinful. It just is. How can can you swist the bible like that? How can you draw such far-fetched conclusions? No wonder Christians also say disgusting things about islam and muslims! They learn from the best. Congrantulations. You've really managed to make things worse between muslims and christians. You've totally destroyed your credibility. I don't think many people will take your site "answering christianity" seriously. It's just getting ridiculous.

QuranSearchCom:
Peace be upon you Jim,

Do you honestly believe that putting someone like Jesus Christ on the cross for 3 hours only, - a person who was able to fast for 40 days without eating anything, - and expect him to die?

And again, the NT is clear that Christ was ALIVE in the tomb.  Listen to the debate, and please respond to Dr. Zakir Naik's points, directly.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

m2ariman:

--- Quote from: Antiaparteid on September 18, 2012, 08:37:22 AM ---All I can say is... This thread is sinful. It just is. How can can you swist the bible like that? How can you draw such far-fetched conclusions? No wonder Christians also say disgusting things about islam and muslims! They learn from the best. Congrantulations. You've really managed to make things worse between muslims and christians. You've totally destroyed your credibility. I don't think many people will take your site "answering christianity" seriously. It's just getting ridiculous.

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Learn history. Who started it first?

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"But, to make things very simple, forgiveness is not possible in Islam - God cannot be merciful to you without being unjust.  How can God forgive you for your sin without ignoring your guilt?  And, if God ignores your guilt, God is unjust.  You need a Savior!  You need to turn from your sin to the Lord, because in Him there is forgiveness, through His death on the cross on your behalf.  In this way, God is both merciful and just.  "

"God cannot be merciful without being unjust." Says who? Are you God?
The fact that you are alive even after making that statement is the whole reason why God is merciful.

How can a God who sent his only son to commit suicide and yet cried for his father's help be a merciful and just God?

You call killing your Only PIOUS son for the sake of other SINFUL people just and merciful?

Have you no sense?

Why do God need a son anyways?

What guilt? You might wanna start a new thread on this.

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If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity;
he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
(Lev 20:21)

Read Deut Chpt 25.

 "If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her. 6 The first son she bears shall carry on the name of the dead brother so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.

7 However, if a man does not want to marry his brother’s wife, she shall go to the elders at the town gate and say, “My husband’s brother refuses to carry on his brother’s name in Israel. He will not fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to me.” 8 Then the elders of his town shall summon him and talk to him. If he persists in saying, “I do not want to marry her,” 9 his brother’s widow shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, take off one of his sandals, spit in his face and say, “This is what is done to the man who will not build up his brother’s family line.” 10 That man’s line shall be known in Israel as The Family of the Unsandaled."

READ THIS TOO!

Also from Deut. Chpt 25

"11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

Speaks for itself.

So, should the brother marry his brother's wife or not?

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