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Christians Expect us to not to Touch their "apocrypha"

but they don't do the same our weak or false narrations do they ?

Mere Double Standards

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Laugh with Sam Shamoun
« on: March 15, 2014, 01:47:26 PM »
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/examining_sam_shamoun_4.htm

Lol i guess this^ is what he is learnt from his "Eleven years of Learning the Bible and Quran"

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Assalam 3laikum Everyone

@mclinkin , dont you think Evolution for Humans is a hoax and dissporved multiple times, CAUSE TILL DATE THERE IS NO PROOF FOR IT. And here is a statement from Charles darwin himself

"But I believe in natural selection, not because, I can prove, in any single case; that it has changed one species into another, but because it groups and explains well (as it seems to me) a host of facts in classification, embryology, morphology, rudimentary organs, geological succession and distribution..." - Charles Darwin

The above statement is from Darwin's Letter, in which he explicitly states that he is aware of FAILING TO EXPLAIN evolution.

Darwin wrote this letter to Thomas Thorton Esq. in 1861.

The letter is contained in L'Evolution du monde vivant' [The Evolution of the Living World] [Published by Plon, Paris, 1950].

M. Vernet(the Author of the book) notes that the letter is preserved at the British Museum (Ref A DD MS. 37725f.6)]


Evolution is just an ideology which was accepted SO WIDELY JUST BECAUSE IT WENT AGAINST the catholic Church(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution).

http://www.discoveringislam.org/origin_of_man.htm <---- Enough proof that Evolution is Hoax like the Crucification of Christ.
Why do you have to put in a weak theory into the Quran ?

Who knows when this theory will get Officially disproved and then later, the NON-MUSLIMS, Completely ignoring the meaning of the Arabic Words, WiLL START POINTING THAT "QURAN HAS A SCIENTIFIC ERROR CAUSE IT SPEAKS ABOUT EVOLUTION" .

I think it is extremely best if you show ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACTS in the Holy Quran rather than the ones that are weak or disputed.

"Science always takes a U-Turn " - Dr. Zakir Naik

Please let me know if i have understood any of you.

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 Walaikum Assalam bro

This is  my opinion Which I would like to  share,  I am not sure an out it but still


Don't you think the Quran in 32:5 predicts quantum theory

As the verse indirectly suggests that time depends On our observations.

And this is exactly opposite in the bible "for God a 1000 years is a single day" (I found on it on unchangingword.com. Com on the explanation for a "day"  being a "long" epoux in the Genesis  account.

This is just my theory I might be wrong I need touch a research

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Ahhh sorry bro

Can't we prove God by turning the tables around and asking them aethist to prove  "how something choose to exist when it did not exist"


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Dear Brother ,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM(this was posted by someone else on this forum)

THERE IS SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR "COSMIC CONCIOUSNESS", WHICH IS THE GOD OF ISLAM.

All the characters of "cosmic consciousness" matches with Allah swt . 

AND ALLAH IS ALL-CONCIOUS,ALL-SEEING

This is itself is enough to disprove the who of christianity

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we need to compile all the video rubattals against in this website

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We seriously need to have an RSV version of the Hadith and remove the discrepancies

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Wont it be better if there was a NIV of Hadiths just like the Bible :P

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
« on: January 11, 2014, 05:00:22 AM »
Dear Brother ,

I do not mean to offend you but I am telling this out of love and care,

you are indeed a very knowledge person ,

But I feel that you are not a good "debater" compared to those apologists when it comes to oral debating,

whenever I come to this website I find so powerfull arguments but they are absent in your debates :( .

Inshallah I hope you will improve on this.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
« on: January 10, 2014, 11:13:11 AM »
If you go to Wikipedia you will find they cite 5 (non-Christian) references which supposedly prove that 'Isa was crucified. Someone should refute the claim.

I am gonna get vulgar on this , but hope somebody is able to explain the same logic in a better way .

If there were two persons A and B who faught in an infiniti amount of time ago .

and there were 140,000 people watching them .

Person A does a special move in which he head-attacked the person B in his stomach and simultaneously hit the testis with his hand or something .

The People at that time dint know getting hit in the testis hard enough can cause death ( recent discovery )

Person B dies .

The 140,000 people saw that the Person died because "Person A had hit him in the Stomach" and the same message gets passed for a million years

For, if we ask or do research on "how person B died" , The BEST and AUTHENTIC source of information would be person B itself .


Coming to Jesus and his crucifixion .

We should apply the same logic . The Person who knows best about the situation which happened to him would be the person HIMSELF .

But In the Case of Jesus , Christians claim him as "God" , A million witnesses would still be particle of sand against the words of Jesus for them.

SO TO EVERYONE , TO PROVE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST YOU NEED TO FIRST ESTABLISH THAT THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE GREATER THAN ALL OTHER PEOPLE . The Number witnesses doesn't matter unless he is an atheist .

And if you ask any Christian , "Do you believe in Jesus or people more ?" , and he will 100% say "jesus" or he is not a True Christian .

So yah , it doesn't matter the number witness or people when it comes to words of Jesus to a Christian .

A Lot of people saw the "plane" hitting the Pentagon, But infact it was cruise missle which hit it and THERE IS AMPLE PROO for that too(on this website),

So next time any Christian tells you about witnesses, Ask them "who do you believe more in, Jesus or People?"

"Sometimes the Truth is not what you saw"





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THIS IS MY REBUTTAL TO Dr.NABEEL QURESHI AND ALSO ANSWERING-ISLAM ON QURAN's TESTIMONY OF BIBLE . PLEASE VERIFY THIS AND ADD IT REBUTTALS SECTIONS OF THIS WEBSITE

I had an argument with a Christian https://plus.google.com/+mohammedzayed97/posts/iGax4um9BXW

and i refuted the false claims , again

THE COMPLETE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE GOSPEL WHAT QURAN IS TALKING ABOUT

you are still not understanding the point , I have Given Better Reply to you then ever before , All references are provided except for obvious ones and I hope you will

be convinced

Making you Understand that Bible" is not the "injil"or the "torah" in the Quran is Sufficient. All those verses saying that we should believe in the torah and and injil , I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NO DOUBT

BUT , " IS BIBLE THE INJIL "



1.First lets see its literal meaning


you are telling me  not to take opinions and you are coming up with opinions and again a complete miss-interpretation.

The Injil means Gospel , notice the WORD IS SINGULAR so therefore is talking about a particular Gospel .
 
The Word bible means Book in Greek and translated to Arabic means Kitab. and now you tell me where is the bible  mentioned in the Quran .

Dear Brother Check those verses you yourself quoted on "Quran asking us(muslims) to follow the Bible" and It is clearly mentioned "Gospel" and NO WHERE IN THE QURAN THE WORD "GOSPELS" EXISTS

Now , is your Bible a Gospel or Gospels ?

Clearly , Your Bible contains 4 "Gospels" or more, I am not sure but what is important  is that THE BIBLE IS A BOOK CONTAINING "GOSPELS"

So The Question is which "Gospel" is the  Quran Talking about



http://quran.com/5/46

And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was

guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous


so by this verse of the glorious Quran It is clear that Allah is Talking about the "GOSPEL OF JESUS"

Now Open your Bible , Show me "THE GOSPEL OF JESUS"

you will find gospel according to mark , luke , john,etc BUT I CHALLENGE YOU THAT YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" or "GOSPEL OF JESUS"

Any Body reading the bible will tell that it was written in REPORTED SPEECH and IS IN THIRD PERSON ,

WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE FIRST PERSON BOOK WRITTEN BY JESUS .

 or The Book which was revealed to him . The Next verse

http://quran.com/19/30
[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

so it is clear That The INJIL MENTIONED IN THE QURAN IS THE BOOK OR GOSPEL OF JESUS OR THE BOOK WHICH WAS REVEALED TO JESUS .



COMMING TO THE TORAH , "The bible is THE TORAH" can be also refuted by the  same argument as done earlier . BUT HERE ARE VERSES CONFIRMING TO WHOM THE SCRIPTURE WAS

REVEALED TO or WRITTEN by.

And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, " Allah did not reveal to a human being anything." Say, "Who revealed the Scripture that Moses

brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not -

neither you nor your fathers." Say, " Allah [revealed it]." Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves.
http://quran.com/6/91




"We gave unto Moses the Scripture, and We appointed it a guidance for
the Children of Israel, saying: Choose no guardian beside Me." Qur'an 17 : 2

"Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the 
Prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and 
the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to 
observe, and thereunto were they witnesses."  Qur'an 5 : 44

Then, when the anger of Moses abated, he took up the tablets, and in their inscription there was guidance and mercy for all those who fear their Lord.
Qur'an 7: 154



(Copied from http://www.mostmerciful.com/torah%20revealed%20to%20moses.htm)

When you take the Literal Meaning and the Context you find that the INJIL AND THE TORAH in the QURAN IS NOT THE BIBLE .



2. History

Since it is clear from the two verses I have quoted 19:30 and 5:46 The book was revealed to jesus and jesus had it .

Now, I would like you to go to Dr.Nabeels Website , or answering Islam or anti-Islamic websites, Check out the Historical Records of Bible and tell me who was the

bible written by or who it was revealed to 
this is the video by unchanging word confirming that it was not Jesus P.B.U.H who wrote the bible . Yet he calls the bible as "Injil" to indicate that both are the

same .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMcPmsRz-8&list=PL740A81A0BA0FE450

YOU WILL FIND THAT NOT ONE WORD OF THE "BIBLE" WAS WRITTEN OR RECORDED DURING THE LIFE TIME OF JESUS . ANY SOURCE OF HISTORY IS FAIRLY SUFFICIENT  .

you Being a Christian and seeing the Knowledge you have , I don't understand why Christians are still holding on to the "word of God" when a Third Person( who listened to Mathew , mark , luke , john ) wrote it and only 10% of the Bible are the Words TOLD BY JESUS .

Why NOT CHECK THE APPENDIX OF THE REVISED STANDARD VERSION OF THE BIIBLE , THE AUTHORS OF THE FIRST TESTAMENT AND GOSPELS ARE CLEARLY GIVEN.

Isnt this the reason why the word Bible is not even mentioned  once in the whole Bible(because it did not exist at that time ) . The word "Christianity" or "Christian" was never told by Jesus . The word "trinity" is not there in the bible . Jesus never told "worship me" or "I am God" .

whereas when you compare the Quran , I would like you to check "history of the Quran" or even this video by unchanging wordon the History Of Quran again And notice How

again he refers the "injil" as the "Bible" even though the two words not similar in meaning or context . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6lXj6ryxE

And This is From Wikipedia "history of Quran"

After Muhammad would get revelations he would memorize the Qur'an by ear, and later recite it to his companions, who also memorized it or wrote it down. Before the

Qur'an was commonly available in written form, speaking it from memory prevailed as the mode of teaching it to others.

And  From the book of Dr.Bilal Philips " The true Message of Christ " , Page 33 and 34 , and at the bottom of the page refrences are also provided for you to Judge

from .

it reads " The same principles of Analysis which were applied to bible manuscripts by Bible Scholars and which exposed the the flaws and changes , have been applied to the Quranic Manuscripts gathered from around the World . Ancient manuscripts found in library of Congress in Washington, The chestor beatty Museum in Dublin , Ireland , The London Museum , as well as Museums in Tashkent, Turkey and Egypt From all periods of Islamic history, have been compared . The result of all such studies confirm that there has not been any change in the Text from its Original writing "

Now YOU understand what historical evidence I was talking about ?

So I would like to conlude , That the Bible is not the "Injil" or "torah" the Quran is talking about , BOTH IN ITS LITERAL MEANING AND CONTEXT AND ALSO HISTORICAL VERFICATION .

Furthermore , QURAN DOES NOT SPEAK OF ANY SCRIPTURE REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS.

YOU CAN REFER THE VERSES EARLIER, AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TORAH AND INJIL IN CONTEXT OF QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS BUT THEY WERE FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AND ALSO FOR MUSLIMS ( you proved this in your comments )

The "injil" was never a book revealed to Christians . The Jesus p.b.u.h was the Prophet TO Children Of ISRAEL ( jews) BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN CONFIRM THIS .

Trinity word mentioned in the Quran ( absent in the Bible ) 4:171 , 5:76

Quran mentioning that it is the Quran ( Bible is absent in the bible ) 15:9

Quran talks about GooD Christians who are closest to Muslims in Faith 5:82

Guide us to the straight path , the path upon which you have bestowed your mercy not of those who have evoked your anger nor of those who are who have gone astray .

Inshallah i hope atleast now you understand what 1:6-7 meant and those who have gone astray .

PLEASE FEEL FREE COMMENT BACK WITH MORE CRITCISM OF QURAN WHICH YOU HAVE OR CONTACT ME VIA EMAIL

Peace upon you

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