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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: correcting a Misconception
« on: January 19, 2013, 05:34:06 PM »
Peace
Ive heard that muslims cannot be nationalistic and patriotic because the prophet forbade "asabiyah". Its true that the prophet forbade it but asabiyah is hating some group for the soul reason of your family or race, sometimes you can see this in the arab and muslim world against jews (even anto zionist ones), and vice versa.
You can be nationalistic in islam and love your fatherland, just dont be racist.
Proud Arab Nationalist
PEACE

Arrogance is a sin.    2:206

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I just figured. Holy is derived from Helios which means 'of the sun'.
Why not use it for the Qur'an?
You may all be well aware Christianity and the bible come from sun worship. The bible was called 'holy' since it contains allegories of the Sun falsely attributed to Isa (PBUH). Also, the word helio biblio was used for the bible in the past, which translates to Book of the Sun in English. The sun was worshiped primarily because it gave its life (burning out) for us.
Instead, use Noble as Br. Osama Abdullah does,
peace
Actually, The Hebrew word qodesh and the equivalent Greek word hagios, together with their derivatives, have been translated with one of three words, or derivatives, in our older English versions, namely: holy, hallowed, or sanctified. Another word is also used in modern versions, and generally in ecclesiastical literature, namely: sacred.

Please do a little research before you make these bogus claims, there are many 'holy' figures in islam, i.e the Holy spirit who was sent with Isa (aleyhi salam) to strengthen him and also holy sanctaries such as Masjid Al-Aqsa.

Where do you think Holiday is derived from? Lemme give you a hint, holy-day, (referring to the Sabbath for example).

There are many sacred things in islam for example Shariah itself means Sacred.

Gee, you didn't have to be so harsh about it, now I'm embarrassed  :-[
It was in my book about Christianity's pagan roots, now I gotta recheck it!

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Lol ijdeed

Christianity is mainly Egyptian sun worship and Shamanism. The shamans drank their own pee when they got high on mushrooms, or at least, that's what the book I read told me O.o

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Yup, every morning he would 'drink from his own cistern' and have 'running water from his own well'.
 Don't get what it's suggesting? Here is some help:
Proverbs 5:15
... drink water from your own cistern. Running water from your own well.
John 7:37-38
... in the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Rivers of living water flowing out of our own belly?
Thomas 108
Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him.

Ok now pay attention to this next one:
Excerpt from John 4 (NIV)
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
So she just asked Jesus about the source of the water. Reference to Jacob, who "drank from it himself"...
13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks THIS water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to ETERNAL LIFE.”

In the past, the Shamans believed they could get eternal life through drinking their own pee!

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I think the camel urine hadith is authentic. After all there is a modern medicine called Premarin which is mare's urine so...yeah. Sounds disgusting but hey. Lol

Yes but the whole story of the lady who comes to have a sip from 'Jesus' well' is appalling  ???

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Response to the 'camel pee' lie against Islam:
Proverbs 5:15
... drink water from your own cistern. Running water from your own well.
John 7:37-38
... in the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Rivers of living water flowing out of our own belly?
Thomas 108
Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him.

But it continues!

Secret message : Water into wine is actually a reference to drinking your own pee (Hint, to see the message, copy it, then paste it on notepad or anywhere else)

Excerpt from John 4 (NIV)
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

^^NOTE: The above verse is precisely talking about how the shamans in the past believed that they could get eternal life life by drinking their own pee!

15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
Hmm...
Adds a whole new meaning to turning water into wine

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Atheists.... the most ignorant and most cursed of them all... 

Don't blame you a bit. You're just following:

Qur'an 98:6 - Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

It's true though. They ARE the worst of creatures

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Do Moslems worship the moon
« on: January 19, 2013, 02:58:31 AM »
I don't think I'm being dishonest when I say that you would believe anything they tell you even if they say the sun is green .

LOL agree

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Is that you?

no...wth

you DO realize you're only 3 years younger than me right?

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Rebuttals & Polemics / Re: Matthew 21:43
« on: January 18, 2013, 04:35:48 PM »
I am trying to understand how the word "Nation" means the Islam religion.

It doesn't. It's just random ramblings that make no sense.

Very immature...

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I just figured. Holy is derived from Helios which means 'of the sun'.
Why not use it for the Qur'an?
You may all be well aware Christianity and the bible come from sun worship. The bible was called 'holy' since it contains allegories of the Sun falsely attributed to Isa (PBUH). Also, the word helio biblio was used for the bible in the past, which translates to Book of the Sun in English. The sun was worshiped primarily because it gave its life (burning out) for us.
Instead, use Noble as Br. Osama Abdullah does,
peace

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peace
dear the on and only God, you should remember that Isa or Yasu are just Arabic ways of saying Jesus, Muslims prefer Isa while christians prefer Yasu. The diference in the belief of muslims from the jews is that we believe that Jesus was the messiah and a noble prophet. as for the difference i belif between the muslims and the christians is that we dont believe he is the literal son of God.

lololol. That's an attempt at trying to unite ourselves with the sun worshiping pagans. Jesus is NOT Isa (pbuh). Thing is, Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the Sun. There are ~30 ancient mythological sun Gods that follow the Jesus story (born on Dec. 25, star in the East, bread wine, walking on water, son of God, 12 disciples). In fact, Dec. 25 is when the Sun rises after residing on the Crux constellation for three days (crucifixion), the winter solstice. the 'birth' of Jesus on Dec. 25 is a reference to the Sun when it rises on Christmas Eve, accompanied by the Orion belt (three stars or three kings as the bible says) and the Sirius star. Hinduism also has this parallel. The "three kings" follow the star in the East, to deliver gifts to the "Sun of God", Horus, or today, Jesus. Islam is a good choice, knowing you're not sun worshiping cattle. Isa (PBUH) was a prophet of Allah, Jesus is an anthropomorphism for the Sun. The 12 disciples are nothing but the 12 zodiac signs, the walking on water is a reference to the Sun's reflection in water.
A crucified for three days son of God that turned water into wine is completely unislamic and has direct parallels to Mithras and other pagan Gods.

If you flip the dollar bill you will see a pyramid with the eye of Horus on top of the pyramid. They're influenced by Egyptian culture, A LOT.

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Oh I LOVE Egyptology!! (before I learned about similarities with Christianity)

What really happened was that Isa (not Jesus) was born of a virgin, Mary. That's all that happened. Years after his death, Paul used allegories of the Sun, combined Isa's name with Horus, the Egyptian sun God, to make Jesus. He added tons and tons of allegories, most of which are really intelligent (oh but what a waste!). In fact, some ancient Egyptian glyphs even have the name Isus. The same case with Buddha. He didn't want to be worshiped after his death, but people worshiped him. Same with Krishna, born of a virgin, then people assume it's an incarnation of Horus. In fact, virgin birth is not miraculous at all according to modern science. Christians have been greatly misunderstood.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Very good article!  May Allah Almighty bless you.  I will insha'Allah use it on the main website.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walaikum As'salam brother,

Thanks. But if you intend on using this, do realize that this isn't all mine, the full article, written by Atheists, is here!
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm

It compares all the characteristics (Crucifixion on a tree, bread and wine, son of God, resurrection, virgin born) to pagan myths.

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