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Title: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sh Truthseaker on June 17, 2015, 06:17:34 AM
Assalam Alaikum brothers,
Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?In most of the places i see,the answer is no.But this site says Qur'an supports evolution:

www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm)
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sama on June 20, 2015, 07:21:40 AM
It doesn't support neodarwinism.
http://www.gawaher.com/topic/740376-introduction-to-evolution/
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: nivera79 on June 23, 2015, 11:06:14 AM
Assalam Alaikum brothers,
Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?In most of the places i see,the answer is no.But this site says Qur'an supports evolution:

www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm)
I don't mind if quran suports darwinian evolution or not because darwinian evolution has been refuted several times.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on June 28, 2015, 11:08:21 PM
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 28, 2015, 11:24:16 PM
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Tarek Habbal on June 29, 2015, 08:24:10 AM
Salam My brothers and Sisters

I have a Muslim Brother, Mohsen (he goes by the name of Scimitar), we usually are very involved defending Islam on the internet, he is also making his own videos now, may Allah bless and please him ... He is the best speaker i came across in my 10 years+on the forums.

Here is his post regarding evolution that I have saved:

Of the 99 attributes of Allah given to the Muslims, I will list two here:

Al Khaliq - The Creator
Al Bari - The Evolver

For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:

“It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.”
[Noble Quran 39:42]

“And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.”
[Noble Quran 24:45]

The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important, He can change anything as He Wills - even today.

Salam All
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Tahmeed on June 29, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
Brothers, is there any problem if anyone believes in evolution of other creatures, but denies the evolution of humans? Because you know, Quran says Allah created every living thing from water, and science also said life first came from water.

Quote from: Tarek Habbal
The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago.

Doesn't the Bible say they came 5000 years befroe Christ? That's what I know!

Allah Hafiz
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on June 29, 2015, 02:10:21 PM
Brothers, is there any problem if anyone believes in evolution of other creatures, but denies the evolution of humans?

Yep. The phenomenon of birds becoming flightless birds(adaptation/micro evolution) doesn't contradict Islam, but the never observed phenomenon of cats turning into dogs or bears turning into whales is just  lack of reverence for ALLAH. Notwithstanding that geological timescales are nothing but farce, evolution(macro-evolution) requires tens of millions of years and one has to wonder what evidence do they have that dinosaurs fossils are in fact millions of years old.

 The deposit in which the Tyrannosaurus rex fossil was found is dated at 70 million years. Not only were blood cells found, but soft and pliable tissue as well, including flexible blood vessels!!!!  As mentioned in the following article these soft tissues shouldn’t be around for more than 125,000 years:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/news/cocktail-c14-dna-collagen-in-dinosaurs-indicates-geological-timescales-are-false/
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on June 29, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
A brilliant representation by explorer Jim Vieira exposing archaeological cover-ups, that humans were in fact taller in the past!
The cover-up was essential in launching the evolution theory(humans were shorter in the past) into mainstream media. Humans were taller in the past = Humans didn't come from apes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4sI34aIZ0
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on June 29, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walikum Asalam

Mainstream media doesn't support Low Gravity theory, think you should remove that section.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: nivera79 on June 30, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
Prophet Muhammad said that humans were taller in the past. That single statement blows the evolution theory out of the water.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Sama663,

Please visit this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Walikum Asalam

Mainstream media doesn't support Low Gravity theory, think you should remove that section.

The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on June 30, 2015, 04:40:47 PM


The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

That's just your interpretation and nothing else. People in the past were uncomfortable with the ayah about city of Iram and expanding heaven and were outsmarted by ALLAH that Iram was in fact a city, and heaven is actually expanding.

Another Sahih hadith explicitly states:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.(Sahih Bukhari)
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: nivera79 on June 30, 2015, 06:47:13 PM


The hadith says that Adam was 90 ft tall in PARADISE, not at earth. Look at this hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه, قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: «إن أول زمرة يدخلون الجنة على صورة القمر ليلة البدر, ثم الذين يلونهم على أشد كوكب دري في السماء إضاءة, لا يبولون ولا يتغوطون, ولا يتفلون ولا يمتخطون, أمشاطهم الذهب, ورشحهم المسك, ومجامرهم الألوة الأنجوج, عود الطيب وأزواجهم الحور العين, على خلق رجل واحد , على صورة أبيهم آدم, ستون ذراعا في السماء

That's just your interpretation and nothing else. People in the past were uncomfortable with the ayah about city of Iram and expanding heaven and were outsmarted by ALLAH that Iram was in fact a city, and heaven is actually expanding.

Another Sahih hadith explicitly states:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.(Sahih Bukhari)
This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 01, 2015, 05:00:12 AM

This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

Yep, but people didn't decrease in stature in Paradise!

There is no other interpretation except that people were taller in the past.
With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: nivera79 on July 01, 2015, 08:34:23 AM
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This hadeeth supports my interpretation, because Adam (as) was created in paradise.

Yep, but people didn't decrease in stature in Paradise!

There is no other interpretation except that people were taller in the past.
With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”

I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 02, 2015, 12:38:41 PM


I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.

What part of "People kept growing smaller until now" you don't understand?

“And (also) ‘Aad and Thamood, and the Dwellers of Ar-Rass, and many generations in between”

[al-Furqaan 25:38 – interpretation of the meaning]
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 02, 2015, 12:47:19 PM

I don't mind al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, John Doe or Perico el de los Palotes opinion about this hadeeth, and the hadeeth does not state in how many steps it decreased, nor if it did it gradually or suddenly in two or three generations.

I'm not here to convince you to change your so-called opinion based on your interpretation, stop quoting me.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 03, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Allah Almighty intended to put Adam, peace be upon him, and all of the human race that will come from him on earth:

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."  (The Noble Quran, 2:30)"

Please visit this article:

www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm (Was Adam created on earth or in Heaven?)

We know the following proven scientific facts:

1-  Earth used to be 10% of what its current size is.

2-  The smaller the planet, the lesser its gravity, and the taller the creatures on it will be.  Even Astronauts who spent long time living in space gain height, because the gravity up there in the edge of space is lesser than what it is down here on earth.  I've seen this from NASA on TV before.  You an also visit:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=astronauts+gain+height

3-  Life as we know it and live it here on earth (mammals, rivers, plants, seas, atmosphere, etc...) had existed for 3.6 billion years!  The oldest records we know about man are 10 to 20 THOUSAND years old only.  So there were many other ADAMS and their lines that existed here on earth.

Note:  I am not saying that Prophet Adam, peace be upon him, came 20 thousand years ago.  He could be the absolute first MANKIND ever put foot on earth, 3.6 billion years ago.  Or there could've been other human-lines before him.  Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  Certainly, the Angels were concerned about creating humans here on earth as the Noble Verse above says.

You see earth is 4.6 billion years old.  It took earth to cool down to a point where mammals can exist on it 800 million years.  This puts life as we know it on earth for approximately 3.8 billion years.  And again, earth used to be only 10% in size to what it is now. 

4-  We know that LARGE BODIES (ex: dinosaurs) existed on earth up to even our modern history (up to only a few million years ago).  So why should it surprise anyone that people that were as tall as 90 feet tall existed on earth in the past billions of years?

For ample more details and scientific proofs, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 03, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
 Or there could've been other human-lines before him.  Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  Certainly, the Angels were concerned about creating humans here on earth as the Noble Verse above says.
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Angels were concerned because the earth was already inhabited by beings that still live parallel to us.

 He could be the absolute first MANKIND ever put foot on earth, 3.6 billion years ago.
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Carbon-14 (C-14) dating of multiple samples of bone from 8 dinosaurs found in Texas, Alaska, Colorado, and Montana revealed that they are only 22,000 to 39,000 years old.
http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html
Jack Horner was offered a $23k grant to C14 date soft tissue bones of dinosaurs , but declined. He agreed the money was more than enough but wouldn’t because it would give evidence to creationists. For the Darwinian story to hold, one has to fortuitously interleave highly fotuitous catastrophes followed by long eras of stasis and do this for each of the layers.

I could be buried tomorrow in 65 million year-old volcanic ash, it doesn’t mean my bones are 65 million years old.






Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 03, 2015, 03:26:54 PM

If ALLAH(SWT) had mentioned in Quran that life on earth is 3.6 billion years old then that means Islam is supporting a view of recording of geological history via a process of slow, steady change, which is represented by a school of thought known as uniformitarianism (founded by Lyell). Because we simply don't have any fossil record of 90-feet giants, ultimately muslims would be inclined to agree with the evolution theory.

Or if Quran had said something similar like Bible that earth is 6000 years old, we would have been experiencing mass conversion of muslims to atheism or any other faith. Yes, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people that were as tall as 90 feet tall existed but certainly not 3.6 billion years ago.

See this:
http://www.infowars.com/massive-dinosaur-soft-tissue-discovery-in-china-includes-skin-and-feathers/
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/09/75-million-year-old-dinosaur-blood-and-collagen-discovered-in-fossil-fragments

Red blood cells, soft tissue, collagen. These soft tissues shouldn’t be around for more than 125,000 years let alone 68 million years. So brother it's absolutely pointless to say that Prophet Adam lived on earth 3.6 billion years ago , there is a reason why Islam is silent on this subject.

Last but not least, dinosaurs were not tall because of low gravity. Modern scientific community doesn't support the notion that dinosaurs were so big because of ancient(weaker) gravity. Any anti-islamic website can refute this by simply sharing any peer reviewed article or any article, such as:

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/25/dinosaur-reproduction-not-ancient-gravity-made-sauropods-super-sized/
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/feb/07/the-size-of-dinosaurs
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 03, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
Back to the topic. Scientists should have documented one fundamental kind of creature or basic life form morphing into a different fundamental form, like a fish morphing into an amphibian. Or one experiment should show that lifeless chemicals coalesce on their own to form living cells. No such experiments exist.

Since particles-to-people evolution is a mere story—one with no scientific backing(Conclusions derived from repeatable experiments)—  certainly it contradicts Islam.
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Tahmeed on July 04, 2015, 04:19:52 AM
Assalamu alaikum dear brothers,

Quote
Because we simply don't have any fossil record of 90-feet giants,

Many mythologies say that there were Titans or Giants before us. Could that be connected to this? Because it is possible that all mythologies are altered (or super altered!) truth, as prophets and scriptures were sent to every nation.

I also heard that Jinns (perhaps they are the 'titans' in mythologies :P) used to dominate the earth before humans, (as they were also created to worship Allah). Perhaps that's the reason the angels were concerned about creating humans.

Tahmeed
Title: Re: Does The Holy Qur'an support evolution theory?
Post by: Sam663 on July 05, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
Assalamu alaikum dear brothers,

Quote
Because we simply don't have any fossil record of 90-feet giants,

Many mythologies say that there were Titans or Giants before us. Could that be connected to this? Because it is possible that all mythologies are altered (or super altered!) truth, as prophets and scriptures were sent to every nation.

I also heard that Jinns (perhaps they are the 'titans' in mythologies :P) used to dominate the earth before humans, (as they were also created to worship Allah). Perhaps that's the reason the angels were concerned about creating humans.

Tahmeed

History became legend. Legend became myth.

Watch this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4sI34aIZ0