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Offline Sh Truthseaker

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Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« on: May 06, 2015, 09:40:35 AM »
Brothers,
 My friend always says about christian pastors having 'holy spirit' and being able to perform miracles bcz of it.He says that if we have 'holy spirit',we can get visions about future events and some times perform miracles.He especially says abou some one named 'Benny Hinn',who has powerful 'holy spirit',and he is able to perform many miracles,and his videos are availabe in Youtube,etc etc. What can we say about this?
My friend also says that the 'spirit of truth' predictedby Jesus [PBUH] is actually this 'spirit'.

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 09:45:54 AM »
I found some point which can be used to refute this. Are these good points?


Christians claim to do many miracles with 'holy spirit'
#These miracles need not certainly be bcz of holy spirit
#Allah Almighty may test us by giving miracles to them to check if           we will believe in them , and also to test them if they will go in the wrong way bcz of these 'miracles'
#Satan may tempt humans by showing them bad things as good
#Satan will try as much as he  can to make humans deviate from the right path
#There is a verse in Holy Qur'an-it is the dialogue by satan when he was expelled from paradise:"I will show (ie,he will make it appear like that)them (humans) (bad) things on earth as decoration(ie,as good)
#Even Christians believe that satan can do miracles
#satan may tempt them by showing miracles
#In the bible,Mathew 24:24 says " For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect"(christians ofte use this this verse and say that this refers to Prophet Muhammed PBUH,but there R proofs that this don't say about Prophet MuhammedPBUH)
#If even false prophets can do miracles,what is there 'miraculous' here,when christian pasturs perform 'miracles'?


Is it Good? Can U help me with more good points?
What is Ur opinion about Benny Hinn?


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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 10:41:09 AM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brother,

Christians who can perform miracles, one in a thousand...perhaps even less..but there have been hundreds and thousnds of muslim wali-awlia and pirs who performed miracles (karamats)! But I do believe that many were aided by shaitan as most of these were full of bid'at and sometimes shirk-kufr. So no worry if few christians show miracles and prophesy!

And about applying the verse to sayyiduna SAW, what makes them think that this is not about Paul, the false prophet? And by 'false christs', this is actually referring to people like Golam Ahmed Qadiani, as Muhammad SAW never claimed to be Christ rather testified that Jesus PBUH was the Christ.

About spirit of truth; wanna learn something interesting about this word 'truth'? Read this topic

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1770.0

Keep ur faith in Allah, obey Him, follow His Messenger and never trust the bible! You will have the Truth u r seeking :)

Tahmeed

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 12:36:58 PM »
Yusuf Estes the former Christian said that they do ' black magic '.I saw on the video, don't know whether it's available on Youtube or something...

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 03:37:49 AM »
OK,but even if we disprove trininy,there exists,in the bible,things like 'Stephen full of holy spirit', 'Jesus(A) filled with holy spirit', 'John(A) filled with holy spirit from his mother's womb',etc.
How to argue about this crap?What is this holy spirit thing actually?Holy Qur'an too says that Allah Almighty strengthened Isa (A) with 'His spirit'(I don't remember where the verse is.).
I know the bible is corrupted.But is there any way to argue about this to those people,without mentioning about the corruption in the bible?(I plan to argue about corruptions later.)I prefer to to do this with the help of logic or with the help of bible verses.

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2015, 12:25:39 AM »
My friend also says that the 'spirit of truth' predictedby Jesus [PBUH] is actually this 'spirit'.

does he believe that jesus = holy spirit, or both distinct being jesus and holy spirit as separate entities.

Holy Spirit receives command from the Creator, if Creator command the spirit to leave earth, thus the spirit will ascend back back to heaven,

Jesus on the other hand receive aid from Holy Spirit that strengthens his body.

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2015, 04:04:08 AM »
Brothers,
 My friend always says about christian pastors having 'holy spirit' and being able to perform miracles bcz of it.He says that if we have 'holy spirit',we can get visions about future events and some times perform miracles.He especially says abou some one named 'Benny Hinn',who has powerful 'holy spirit',and he is able to perform many miracles,and his videos are availabe in Youtube,etc etc. What can we say about this?
My friend also says that the 'spirit of truth' predictedby Jesus [PBUH] is actually this 'spirit'.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Benny Hinn is a fraud.  I've watched some of his shows where he touches people and they fall.  It's all staged and he and many like him are frauds.  You can see ample evidence for this at:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=benny+hinn+is+a+fraud

As to the Holy Spirit, Allah Almighty Sends the Spirit to the Believers' hearts to put SAKINAH (Divine Comfort) into them.  The Spirit also Guides and inspires the Believers at Allah Almighty's Will.  For details from the Glorious Quran, visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2015, 12:01:49 PM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brothers,

I personally never heard of that guy named Benny Hinn. But I don't care if he and people like him are fraud or not. As I said earlier, people can demonstrate great miracles with the help of Satan. In fact, some sahabas even executed such sorcerers. For example, as Imam Bukhari said in his history bookj, sahabi Zundub al-azdi (RA) beheaded a sorcerer in the court of Al-walid ibn abdul Malik; who used to behead people and bring them back to life (a perfect deception). [I collected this information from 'The Fundamentals of Tawheed' by Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips]

And bro Sh. Truthseeker, you can tell your friend this:

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24)

You know, christians say when you are filled with holy spirit, you can show miracles and prophesy (i.e. you will become a prophet as holy spirit is considered to be God, Nauzubillah)

And also, Paul the false prophet, perhaps showed some miracles (with the help of satan of course) and deceived the elect or the Hawari, may Allah be pleased with them!

Also, the present zionist0-christian civilization is often considered as Masih ad dajjal, the false christ, according to Islamic and revelation prophesies! You know the Islamic one eye prophecy.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1519.msg5962#msg5962

See the 666 prophecy too!

www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm

Please let me know what he answers!

May Allah give us victory over the infidels...Ameen.
Tahmeed

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Re: Miracles by 'holy spirit'
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 12:00:40 PM »
More facts about these 'miracle-men'...

(Matthew 7:21-24, NKJV): "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord. lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness."

It is obvious that the present Christians don't abide by the Law, as a fraud and lunatic named Paul thought the Law is no longer valid, when Jesus himself said that he came to fulfill the Law, not to destroy it, and whoever will break one will not enter heaven (Matt 5:17-19)! But yet some christians show miracles in the name of Christ. So don't they fit the description?

In NIV and NRSV bible, the word used is 'evildoer'. So my question is, how did these 'evildoers' perform miracles? As far as I know, the dove-god called holy spirit only helps those christians who are righteous! So how are these 'evildoers' performing miracles?

Also, in another place,, the bible says that those who works miracles in the name of Christ can't be evil!

(Matthew 9:39, NRSV) "But Jesus said, "Do not stop him; for no one who does a deed of power in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me."

After all these, I don't think these 'miracle-men' should bother us at all! :)

Allah Hafiz
Tahmeed
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 12:02:40 PM by Tahmeed »

 

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