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Fighting Cases
« on: April 20, 2021, 11:07:05 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum,

I have a question about cases of fighting. In the Quran, fighting is only for "those who fight you." (Quran 2:190)

[2:190]"Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors.

[2:191]Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers."

The problem is that what if in one place Muslims are being oppressed not by physical harm but other ways, like forcing them to eat pork, taking the Quran away from them, etc.? Like basically, the kuffar are not fighting them but are oppressing them in other ways. Now lets also say that the Muslims in that place cannot immigrate to a new land for financial or other reasons. Is it permissible to fight these kuffar until they stop oppression, because these kuffar did not fight them physically (so this would make Muslims start the physical fighting first)? Because as I posted the verse of the Quran that only says to "fight those who fight you," this verse makes it sound like Muslims cannot fight those who did not physically fight them first. So does this mean Muslims must stay passive if the kuffar only oppress Muslims in other ways besides physical fighting?



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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2021, 05:54:37 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Oppressing and taking away Islam from a Muslim is something that can be classified as hostile and oppression.  Therefore, it can be considered a declaration of war by the disbelievers.  Islam has laws upon the Muslims and non-Muslims to live by in the Muslim land.  You can visit the following sections:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac22.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac23.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac18.htm#links



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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2021, 01:13:38 PM »
Ok thanks for the answer. Glad that we dont have to be passive.

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2021, 09:46:53 AM »
wait another question, how do oppressed muslims start fighting these people? Do they start striking the necks of those that are taking Islam away from them or something else?

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2021, 02:33:34 PM »
There are several ways one can do Jihad.  War or striking the necks is just one.  There is also Jihad with debates.  Also, a citizen is to respect the laws of the country he/she is living in.  So if a Muslim is facing oppression, he/she must try to avoid conflict.  Muslims are commanded to obey those who have authority in the land.


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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2021, 03:09:27 PM »
I'm saying what if the government and everyone kafir in a country oppress Muslims and take Islam away from them? Can't Muslims start killing those people because they can't even follow the government (or else they will lose Islam). Like debates with these arrogant people of the supposed country would be useless. The people would still oppress Muslims. Does this mean that Muslims can just start killing these oppressors in order for freedom (because there is no other way) and just turn the country into an Islamic country? Is there any Quranic evidence for starting the PHYSICAL war when the kafirs first started a TAKING ISLAM AWAY war without getting physical? Because if the Kafirs didn't get physical but still oppress (and try to take Islam away from) Muslims, the Quran says to just say "Peace" (according to only my finding).

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2021, 03:11:33 PM »
Basically, I'm confused what Muslims have to do in this case. Are they permitted to start a physical war with them?

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2021, 08:42:53 AM »
No nation 100% goes against all people.  There is always the good people that will side with you.  Islam prohibits lump summing people wholesale into one category.  Please read entry number 246 in this link:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm


In the civilized world there are courts and legal avenues a community can take to bring down the oppressors.  People of color have done exactly this in the US and Europe.  So no, you do not fight wholesale everyone.  You don't paint everyone with a broad brush.  You are permitted to fight the immediate and direct attack and threat on you and your family.  But this can never be used as a cheap excuse to start terroristic attacks and vandalism in a country.

9/11 was an Israeli and CIA and FBI lie and attack on Muslims and the USA.  You fight the sons of satan by exposing them to the masses.  The masses are not your enemies.  They are usually the ignorant ones who know little, and they would convert when they know the Truth.  Eventually, Allah Almighty will bring the Truth to all:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm


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Osama Abdallah

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2021, 10:42:12 AM »
Ok those questions have been answered, but now I have another question. So when and how do Muslims fight a physical war?

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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 02:24:45 AM »
It depends on the situation, brother.  There is no fixed answer for this.  The community would decide this; when things reach a boiling point for the entire population and not just for some individuals who are itching for terrorism and are waiting for any excuse.  Again, the masses are not your enemies.  Islam came to convert the masses, not to kill them.


Why fight anyway??

Right now in the age of advanced technology, where you can reach millions from your laptop, you can convert the masses with Islam's Divine Truth with your fingers.  And when the majority become Muslims, then they'll peacefully change things on their own in every country they are in.  Our Holy Jihad must be now with the word, not the sword.  The days of reaching people with the sword are over, since they now can be reached with ease from your laptop.  There is no need for any hostile fight even with the biggest anti-Islam mouths out there.  With a website like this that we are on now, www.answering-christianity.com, and with lots of money, you can reach and insha'Allah convert many people both directly and indirectly.

I am working on accomplishing both, insha'Allah.  I have not even begun entering Youtube and social media yet.  But the website is becoming more and more air tight and rock solid with Truth, walhamdulillah.


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Re: Fighting Cases
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2021, 02:20:30 PM »
Ok jazakumullah for answering this question.

 

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