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  Assalmau alaikum,

 So is this a question, news, or a post to start a conversation? Before I begin with my response, I would like to tell you that it is forbidden to visit anti-Islamic material unless you have a strong faith and is willing to refute their materials. Anyways, this happened a very long time ago. I do not think that Zakir Naik should debate him since Zakir Naik isn't that much of a good apologist with all honesty. He has many liberal views and he makes some mistakes when it comes to Islam (like him saying that visiting a Hindu's funeral is permissible or his constant spreading of the scientific miracles HOAX and sin). I believe that he is a very good داعي (can't spell it in English, someone who does Dawah) and he knows how to clear some misconceptions and spread Islam. But like I said Before, he isn't a very good apologist. Second, David Wood has absolutely no right to accuse Zakir Naik of running away. Muslim Apologist Aqil Onque has challenged David Wood many times however he ran away. He even challenged him on the Trinity Channel and he had a very nervous look on his face and refused (it is on Yahya Snow's channel look it up) .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: www.DohaFifa2022.com
« on: October 05, 2016, 12:53:24 PM »
@Ramihs97,
All the created things of Allah, worship Him and all have their own ways of doing it. For example, the spread of wings by birds is one such method of exalting Allah.

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Do you not see that Allah is exalted by whomever is within the heavens and the earth and [by] the birds with wings spread [in flight]? Each [of them] has known his [means of] prayer and exalting [Him], and Allah is Knowing of what they do.
(Qur'an-24:41)

The Sun similarly has its own, unknown to us, way of worshipping Allah.

Muslim rebuttals:
www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/sun-prostration-throne-hadith-explained.html
islamqa.info/en/176375
en.islamtoday.net/artshow-296-4020.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset_hadiths.htm

Why exactly did you not use: searching-islam.com for this?


 It is because Ramihs97, aka Intorvert98, is just some troll who likes to dump already refuted anti-Islamic materials over here to cause doubts in the hearts of the Muslims. Just like the Jews of Banu Qurayzah.


@QuranSearchCom

 I apologize for not being able to respond to your stuff. This week and the week after this is very busy for me. I have got a lot of exams unfortunately. I might come here to say a thing or two every now and then however I won't be able to make long responses as usual. But I would like to show you something about the Ammar hadith quickly:

https://islamqa.info/ar/221904

https://islamqa.info/ar/201963

https://islamqa.info/ar/search?key=معاوية+عمار






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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Qibla
« on: October 03, 2016, 11:03:32 AM »
 This has been dealt with by Arabic websites:

https://islamqa.info/ar/226791

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t180036.html

 I couldn't find any English website which deals with it though.

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I also remember being told as a child in regards to this wife beating hysterica that it was supposed to be done with some sort of siwak how the Prophet pbuh practiced ? I remember coming across it being weak however I'm not sure on it's certanty. Was a slight buzzkill haha

@Abdullah lmao yes i'm sorry for the millionth time i actually just remembered  it a second ago and started looking things up like the 360 joint thing. I wonder what the majority of academics say on this issue none the less.


 So you ask a question in the middle of a reply! How many questions can you ask Rami? This is a miracle! No normal human can ask this much. I had collected evidences from non-Muslim websites that there are 360 joints in the body and that even if there aren't then it is ok and doesn't contradict science.

Check this out:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2175.msg9461.html#msg9461

NOTE:

 This website (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/joints-in-the-body.html) says that the joints are about 230 however it was only talking about the movable joints. There is a chart in the same article which adds up to 360 joints.

Distribution of Human Body Joints
Part of the Body   Number of Joints
Skull   86
Throat and Neck   6
Thorax   66
Spine and Pelvis   76
Hands, Arms and Fingers   64
Legs, Feet and Toes   62


86 + 6 + 66 + 76 + 64 + 62=360

https://www.google.ae/search?q=86+plus+6&oq=86+plus+6+&aqs=chrome..69i57.2562j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=86+plus+6+plus+66+plus+76+plus+64+plus+62


 

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 I'm really starting to doubt you Rami. How many times have I showed you the site (searching-islam)? Again, are you Introvert98? In anyways, the essay is kinda bad. Some people in the comments section have dealt with some of the claims in it.  You should ask the other brothers to refute this stuff since I have no time at the moment. However, I would like to say that there was a huge lack of historians in the Jahilliyah so we barely know anything about pre-Islamic Arabia. I will try to deal with this stuff later on by myself.

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Well i'm currently writing an essay where i further humiliate modern missionaries and priests by tearing apart their false religion.

"The birth of a daughter is a loss." in their bible came up so i tried to research more about Pre-Islamic Arabia to further strengthen my argument and i came across this site. I have bad luck when it comes to google and anti-islamics haha.

 Or you can search on this site:

www.searching-islam.com

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@Muhammad101.  I am trying to respect you as much as I can, but you are too defiled and corrupted with the cult of satan that you follow.  Since you are too desperate to prove that I am an apostate, then I want you and your scums to answer this for me:

Which was a Muslim and which was an apostate between Ali and Muawiyah?


They both couldn't possibly be Muslims according to your logic.


I also don't recall I ever declared Muawiyah or any specific person to be a kafir or an apostate.  Each individual will be THOROUGHLY JUDGED by Allah Almighty.  But this doesn't mean that he wasn't corrupt and a scum like your cult of scums.  And it doesn't mean that your cult isn't a cult of satan.




The HORN OF SATAN:

And again, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said that the horn of satan will come from Saudi Arabia:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

I advise you to renounce this cult of hypocrites and satan, where they openly declare that if ruler steals, then he can't be punished, and he would still be a ruler upon the Muslims.  And even if he commits zina in front of the Kaaba and drinks alcohol.  He still wouldn't be punished nor would his rule be invalid.

What kind of a dog hypocrite would bark and vomit such blasphemy for a fatwa??  Yet, it's issued by your top scholars.

Osama

 So according to you Sunnism is a "corrupted". Almost all Sunni scholars consider themselves to be Salafi. I will deal with the Salafi issue at a full scope later on. I'm just gonna quickly address your points right now:

Regarding Muawiya and Ali (may Allah be pleased with them):

https://islamqa.info/ar/140984

 It is in Arabic so you should understand it fully. You should also read this:

https://islamqa.info/en/186682


 The horn of Satan claim has been refuted and dealt with. I will deal with it at a much bigger scope later on. As for your last statement:

 I had already dealt with this before, however my reply was quite weak. But before I reply, I would like the source of this claim please. And it should not be from Shiite scholars since they are known for fabricating things for their own benefit. This reply was not meant to be a good one, but a quick one.

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Just wanted to ask, what is the evidence from original Islamic sources that concludes insulting a companion of the Prophet means apostasy?

And exactly why do you think that "almost all of the scholars who benefit this ummah ... [are] from Saudi Arabia"? A person who lives in a particular region is more likely to know the scholars of that region. I, personally, at the moment cannot think of even a single Saudi scholar's name, partly because they have difficult names to remember, but many notable names who come from my part of the world. Additionally, most of the really famous Islamic personalities that I have come to know of, such as Ahmad Deedat, Dr. Zakir Naik, Nauman Ali Khan, Abdullah Green, Dr. Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi, none of them hail from Saudi Arabia.



 Insulting a Sahabi isn't apostasy but a major sin which deserves strict beating and punishment. 

"The best scholars who explained this issue quite well was Sheikh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah bestow mercy on his soul) in the last portion of his book, "Al Sarim Al Maslul `Ala Shatim Al Rasul" (3/1055-1113) where he said: "As for those who insult the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) whether from his family or others, Imam Ahmad said: they should be beaten harshly, but he did not declare their disbelief nor he said they must be killed.""

 Source: http://en.alukah.net/Shariah/0/182/

 However, the reason to why I declare Osama as an apostate is because he declared Muawiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) as a hypocrite and a kafir.

"I say Muawiyah is a cursed hypocrite."

 Their are many times in where he insults Muawiyah, just type it in the search bar. 

The Kuwaiti Fiqh Encyclopedia reads:

“Whoever insults the Companions, or insults one of them, then if he attributes to them something that does not slander their trustworthiness or their religion, such as describing some of them to be stingy or to lack courage, knowledge, or asceticism, and so on, then such a person does not go out of the fold of Islam, according to the agreement of the scholars, but he deserves to be disciplined.

However, if he accused them of something that undermines their religion or their trustworthiness, such as accusing them of adultery, then the scholars agreed that a person who accuses ‘Aa’ishah  may  Allaah  be  pleased  with  her (the wife of the Prophet  sallallaahu  `alayhi  wa  sallam ( may  Allaah exalt his mention )) of adultery, which is something which Allaah declared her innocent of, then such a person goes out of the fold of Islam, because he is denying the text of the Quran.

With regard to the rest of the Companions, the scholars differed in opinion about the one who slanders them. The majority of the scholars said: A person does not go out of the fold of Islam due to insulting one of the Companions, even ‘Aa’ishah in other than what Allaah declared her innocent of.

Also, a person goes out of the fold of Islam if he declares that all the Companions are disbelievers or says that the Companions renounced Islam after the death of the Prophet  sallallaahu  `alayhi  wa  sallam ( may  Allaah exalt his mention ) or says that they had become dissolute; because this is a denial of what is explicitly said in the Quran in many contexts regarding the fact that Allaah is pleased with them and His praise of them. Making such a statement implies that those who transmitted the Quran and Sunnah to us are disbelievers or dissolute or that this nation, which is the best nation on earth, and the best of which are the first generation, that most of them were disbelievers or dissolute, which in turn implies that this nation is the most evil one among other nations and that its predecessors [the first generation] are the most evil people. That the person who says such a thing is a disbeliever is something that is known in religion by absolute evidence.”

 So we can say easily that Osama is an apostate and I pray that he repents soon. Also, the prophet (peace be upon him) said the following:

In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (6104) and Saheeh Muslim (60) it is narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man declares his brother to be a kaafir, it will apply to one of them.”  According to another report: “Either it is as he said, otherwise it will come back to him.”

 As for the Saudi scholars they are many. Too much maybe. Keep in mind that I do not mean to brag about anything. I'm only doing this to debunk Osama's claim of that "Saudi Arabia didn't contribute to Islam in any way". Here is a small list of  Saudi scholars that I can remember at the moment:

Abdulaziz bin Baz
Ibn Uthaymeen Al-Tamimi
Abdullah ibn Abdulrahman ibn Jibreen
Aaidh al-Qarni
Muhammad Al-Areefi
Saleh Al-Munajjid
Salman Al-Oudah
Abdulaziz Al-Tareefi
Saleh Al-Fawzaan
Saleh Alluhidan
Saud Al-Shuraim
Rabee al-Madkhali
Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais
Al-Kalbani

 Those are the ones that I know of. Second, it was wrong of me to say Saudi. What I meant was Salafi scholars in the Arabian gulf  (Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,UAE,etc). Third, it is impossible for you not to come across the works of these scholars on the internet. They are even on Osama's website! Especially Ibn Uthaymeen, Bin Baz, Al-Munajjid, and Al-Sudais (since he is a famous Quran reciter). Fourth, it is true that in general people know the scholars in their area the most. Fifth, Their is a difference between "scholar" and "apologist". For example, Shabir Ally and Ahmed Deedat aren't scholars, but apologists. From what I saw, the apologetics scene seems to thrive amongst Pakistanis, Indians, and western converts to Islam.  But just because there are many scholars here that doesn't mean that everyone is religiously educated. Sadly many people over here are liberals who barely know anything about Islam. They fight the Sharia law, which by the help of Allah is still there even though the Kufar fight it, in the name of Islam. And their numbers seem to be increasing.





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Quick question on jesus and mary. Was Mary pregnant for the whole 9 months or was Jesus' birth spontaneous and she just appeared with him ? Also,when did her and Joseph first meet since they both got married a year after ?

What I'm implying is what are the odds of it being Allah sending Jibril and not another man ?

الله أعلم

 Quick question,

 Are you by any chance Introvert98? Since your questions are very weird or useless. How could anyone besides Allah send Jibril? How are you a Muslim in the first place if you don't believe in miracles?

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 BACK ON TOPIC:


 Yes, (عقل) in this hadith means Diyya (blood money). Check these translationlations of the hadith:

http://sunnah.com/urn/2114680

http://sunnah.com/urn/1327460


It was narrated from 'Amr bin Shu'aib, from his grandfather, that :
the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ruled that the blood money for the people of the book is half of that of the blood money for the Muslims, and they are the Jews and Christians.
حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عَمَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا حَاتِمُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَيَّاشٍ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ جَدِّهِ، ‏.‏ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَضَى أَنَّ عَقْلَ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابَيْنِ نِصْفُ عَقْلِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَهُمُ الْيَهُودُ وَالنَّصَارَى ‏.‏
Grade   : Hasan (Darussalam)   


 Thanks a lot for calling me Mr.Arabic authority since a 13 year old's Arabic is better than yours.

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عقل indeed means brain.  And its been used in the Glorious Quran to refer to a brain.  But you are right, here it is referring to the Diyya (blood money).  I will fix the article shortly, insha'Allah.

And since you're an authority in Arabic, were you able to go through my images that thoroughly demonstrate the Glorious Quran's Number 19 Miracle?  Or are you still drowned in your stupidity that it is all Rashad Khalifa's work?  I love how you and Usama Dakdok, the guy that I just finished debating, bark very loud about this Miracle, but yet, shy away from directly confronting it.  Like your barks, he also texted me (he has my mobile's number and I have his) some blogs that "refute" 950 years and Letters Miracle, which is what the newly Numerical Law for the Number 19 Miracle had been discovered on.  All they contained were empty assertions.  But when I challenged him to count them himself, as I did, or show me from my images where I erred or lied, I never heard from the infidel ever again:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


If you come back and vomit refutations to your dajjal, Rashad Khalifa, as a refutation to my material, you will be forever banned, and your other account "Abdullah Almadi" will be converted to "Donkey Salafi".

Let's see if you'll dare to spam again this time.  So come on Mr. Arabic Authority.  Let's see what you have got from refutations.  I am waiting....

Osama Abdallah


 So you threaten to ban me if I refute your material and delete my rebuttals if I do it and then you accuse me of "running away"  if I don't. What happened to your "scientific miracles"? You stopped advertising them. You used to be the Billy Mays of scientific miracles. Did you finally come to the conclusion that they are false and that they are a sin which causes doubts to Muslims? Great, all that's left is for you to repent to Allah,because you insulted and reviled a Sahabi, and then you can become a Muslim again (since your act was apostasy). I hope that the same will happen to your "numerical miracles" soon. You claim that you actually count the things in these "numerical miraces" for yourself but I have proved that that was a lie. Then you pathetically deleted my comment. But too bad that I saved it! Here is what I wrote:

" Hey Osama, why did you delete most of my comment? You seemed so confident while insulting and bullying the people on this website! You were especially confident when you insulted and reviled A COMPANION OF THE PROPHET (peace be upon him) and that is APOSTASY or how you insulted pretty much EVERY scholar on this planet. I knew that you would do this from the very beginning, so I saved my comment. I constantly asked you many questions and you kept on running away and spamming your haram "scientific miracles" instead of dealing with my points. You only address one or two of them but you leave the rest completely. Here is one for example:

 Why are almost all of the scholars who benefit this ummah (and your website is FULL of their material. EX: Your fly wings article. I will demonstrate this fully in my Salafi article) from Saudi Arabia? Why are almost ALL scholars Salafi?

But let us get on topic and I will try my best to ignore your useless ad hominems.


"The Miracle was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran."

 No it wasn't. It was just you misquoting the verse. You should read the verse in context since it was talking about the number of angels in hell.

"And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers" 74:31

"You see, the issue with you is you don't bother to read what your opponent has to say, and you just vomit your nonsense.  And when you do this on a large scale, then you become a spammer.  You also resort to lies; a rotten trait that you displayed several times already in the past."

 The link that you gave shows NOTHING about the Abjad table and Rashad Khalifah. You still haven't refuted the fact that he is the discoverer of the 19 miracle. But that doesn't matter. Let me just refute this so called "miracle" which has been proven as a HOAX by both Muslims and non-Muslims. Check this link:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/24959698/The-Miracle-of-19-Debunked


You should also read this book by a Muslim debunking this lie:

“The Qur’aan and the Numerical Miracles, a critical study of the numerical miracles of the Holy Qur’aan.”  by Dr. Ashraf ‘Abd al-Razzaaq Qatanah

When you say that you "personally" counted something it is most likely a LIE. An example of that is the so called "365 days miracle". You only got 365 because you forgot to count the words “yawmukum” (your day) and “yawmuhum” (their day) and yawma’idhin (on that day).

For more rebuttals visit this link:

https://islamqa.info/en/69741

 Also, before you call this website a "filthy Salafi" website, you should remember that you used materials from them on your website and called them "renowned Islamic scholars" (http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm). "



DONE! Osama, you failed to refute the fact that Rashad Khalifah is the inventor of these "miracles" however that DOESN'T matter, just like I stated above. You could just say that it was discovered by coincidence by this false prophet (Rashad Khalifah), so my argument was weak from the very beginning. That's why I decided to end it and give you the rebuttals to this lie ("numerical miracles"). Osama, do you actually think that I care about your foul and dirty mouth? You Sahabi insulter! Change my name to ANYTHING, I DON'T care. I'M 13 OSAMA! 13! YOU CANNOT EVEN DEBATE WITH A 13 YEAR OLD PROPERLY,INSTEAD YOU JUST USE INSULTS.YOU ARE POSSIBLY ABOUT TRIPLE MY AGE SO GROW UP! .Regarding the Nuh 950 "miracle", I cannot trust you when you say that you "personally" counted them anymore. And I have demonstrated that above. There is also the issue of whether Nuh (peace be upon him) actually lived 950 years according to Islam. Scholars differed regarding that. And the number is actually 953 (if the people were counting the letters truthfully). So NO. It is not a "numerical miracle".  I only have ONE thing to do now. Refute your racism and lies against Salafies (Most Muslims including almost ALL Islamic scholars) and Saudi Arabia. And then after that I will go away to a better place.



NOTE: IF YOU EVER DECIDE TO DELETE THIS COMMENT OR BAN ME THEN I WILL SEND THIS COMMENT TO EVERYONE ACTIVE ON THIS WEBSITE.

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@Muhammad101,

I think Ramihs97 was talking about the alleged internal contradictions in the Qur'an as being the ones "already refuted" and not the Islamic-Awareness articles.


 Islamic Awareness has only made about 5 articles about internal contradictions and so far there is no claim of a rebuttal to them. So it is best to assume that Ramihs97 was talking about the articles on the website in general.

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Osama i couldnt find a way to delete my previous post as it was really stupid. However this is important.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/Internal/

Some of these are already refuted. However some aren't.  There's also external and other claimed contradictions. I havent seen the website author update these rebuttals only a few were. Point 5 really stood out.

Why can't Christians put this much nitpicking with their own bible.

 How about you actually start READING Islamic Awareness's articles before asking? They always update their articles to refute the Christian missionaries' arguments and rebuttals to their articles. For example:




"The missionary Vargo agrees that the "firing bricks was known throughout Egyptian history is hardly surprising" as "Egyptians were a sophisticated people." If this was indeed that case why is he contradicting himself by claiming that "the ..............."

 Inside the word "agrees" is a hyperlink which leads to the missionaries' attempt at refuting the Islamic awareness article. Islamic awareness goes in to refute them.

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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

I just updated the article with more points and analysis, and also exposed the Salafies ridiculous reasoning.  This is truly an overrated cult. عقل الكافر نصف عقل المؤمن "the disbeliever has half the brain of the believer".  Unbelievable.  Again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/punishment_for_killing_non_muslim.htm

See my detailed analysis on what is the punishment for killing a disbeliever living among Muslims in Islam.



THE HORN OF SATAN CULT:

And again and again, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, called them the Horn of Satan.  He said that the horn of satan will emerge from Saudi Arabia:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


(عقل) means Diyya in this hadith. So much for your Arabic.

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