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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 21, 2016, 12:09:04 PM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 20, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
Unsurprisingly, the question still remains unanswered.

Regarding your point,
Do you have a quote from the Bible saying that the Bible did not exist in eternity with God?

The bible is a historical document ( so we know it did not exist before it was created by human beings )

 unlike the Koran that is supposed to be in existence in eternity with Allah according to muslim scholars

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Allah Almighty and the Perfect Monotheism / Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« on: March 20, 2016, 07:01:27 AM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on February 28, 2016, 01:25:18 PM
Muslims believe that before the start of this test, they were asked by God whether they want to go through with it or not.

Allah must have revealed to the "test takers" that failing to worship Allah would result in being burned alive in hell forever

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 20, 2016, 06:54:23 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 19, 2016, 10:49:40 AM
His Words are created or known.

Do you have a quote from the Quran saying that the Quran did not exist in eternity with Allah ?

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« on: March 20, 2016, 06:45:29 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 19, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
You disagree with other Christians about the Jesus being the biological offspring of David?

Both the Quran and Bible do not say that Jesus is God's biological son (Son of God ) or that Jesus came from Mary's egg (son of Mary ) or that Jesus was  David's biological son, from David's sperm (son of David) , so  biological offspring from either God, David or Mary is not what the Koran or the Bible is saying

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:48:30 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 19, 2016, 02:39:47 AM
Quran mention the exemple of Jesus is like Adam.

In addition to my comment above, the Quran uses the word "be" to indicate Adam's creation but when it comes to Jesus, the word "be" seems to be different since it involves the Spirit of God "be" (coming) Jesus in Mary's womb

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:44:31 AM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 18, 2016, 03:23:38 AM
Answer the question!

And there has not been a consensus of scholars about the un-createdness of the Qur'an.

You said that there has not been a consensus ( of scholars )  which means, some scholars believe in the Quran and Allah existing together through eternity, right ?

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:19:24 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 19, 2016, 02:39:47 AM
substances inside Mary

Can you quote the Quran regarding the "substances" inside Mary that formed Jesus ? or

 was it just the Spirit of God that be (came ) Jesus

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« on: March 18, 2016, 04:12:25 PM »
Quote from: submit on March 18, 2016, 01:43:36 PM
from the substance of Mary.

Adam was formed from dust but Jesus was not formed from any substance of Mary, according to the Quran, right?

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 18, 2016, 04:01:10 PM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 18, 2016, 03:23:38 AM
Answer the question!

And there has not been a consensus of scholars about the un-createdness of the Qur'an.

Why do some scholars say that the Quran and Allah existed as two through eternity ?

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 18, 2016, 02:19:54 AM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 17, 2016, 02:21:20 AM
Isn't Bible supposed to be the word of God too? I mean, Jesus was just one word, whereas the Bible is much greater than that. So... is Bible a bigger God? Or at the very least, it should be a God too. Right?

You do agree that the Koran ( Allah's word ) and Allah have existed together through eternity ?

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Allah Almighty and the Perfect Monotheism / Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« on: March 18, 2016, 02:12:09 AM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 17, 2016, 02:05:19 AM
If you wanted to talk about this subject, you should have just said so,

The subject of the post is " Does God have human needs and wants ? " and the answer is pretty clear: according to muslims/christians/jews,  God wants people to worship Him ( a very human want ) and in return,

 heaven is the reward ( a very human response ).

and in the case of certain religions ( muslims being a part ) , sex is also part of the list of rewards.

 My question is , how far does sex go in heaven ?  Is it only with a person's wife or does the person have a  choice of multiple partners, in addition to the wife on earth ?

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Allah Almighty and the Perfect Monotheism / Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:38:49 AM »
Quote from: AhmadFarooq on March 16, 2016, 08:10:49 AM
If that is what the residents of heaven desire, than it will be there.

Was there a reason you left the sex part out when you listed the rewards in heaven (in your previous post )  ?

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:36:13 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 16, 2016, 08:40:40 AM

 Jesus's flesh were made from the substance inside the womb of Mary 

Can you quote the Koran talking about the  "substance" inside Mary becoming flesh (Jesus )

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:25:02 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 16, 2016, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: brian464 on March 13, 2016, 01:08:34 AM
submitting to one singular God



Paul did submit to one God and God's Word (who appeared to Paul ), just as muslims submit to Allah and the Koran (Allah's word)

You do know that when God says the Word "I", both "I"(the Word)  and God are not two different beings but one God.

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ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA / Re: Was Paul at the same level as the Prophets of God ?
« on: March 16, 2016, 02:29:48 AM »
Quote from: submit on March 12, 2016, 01:20:02 PM

Prophet Jesus the Messiah (pbuh) was sent for Children of Israel. But in the end, the Jews attempt to kill him. Certainly they do not succeed.



Jews attempted to kill Paul too

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