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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Expanding Universe Miracle
« on: July 27, 2013, 11:35:17 AM »
Asalam Akhi,
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Are Taliban Fighters in Afghanistan really terrorists?
« on: July 27, 2013, 11:30:11 AM »
Dont you see, wherever the Dean grows strong the Kuffar always start a war, and blame terrorists.
1) In Chechnya (Shishan) were i am from, when they soviet union broke up, we chechens claimed our independance and intended to introduce sharia law, the dean was growing strong after years of communist stalinist atheist propaganda. We could finally regain our independance and practice our faith. But what happened.. Russia called chechens terrorist, bandits, extremists. Invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Did anyone intervene? No! UN, EU, USA,... they didnt do nothing except talk.
2) Again the Afghans defeated Russian and late nineties Taliban came to power. Then the Dean was growing strong, sharia was being implemented. Then booom, invasion, "war against terror" and all that BullS***. Hundreds of thousands of deaths, injuries and great losses. Again Taliban named terrorists, extremists.
3) Again in Somalia, the dean was growing, and sharia was being implemented then again, muslims called terrorist and extremists. Invaded and slaughtered by USA.
4) In china, many millions of muslims suppresed by the communist government.
5) Burma, muslims being attacked
6) In Yemen the ahlusunnah were gaining ground and then accused of being terrorists and extemists. Once again drones sent in killing many muslims.
7) In sudan, muslims gained power dean was growing, sharia was implemented and then, south sudan was created to split from muslims, now occasional battles take place.
8) In Mali, the muslims were increasing, the dean was getting stronger sharia implemented and then, France invades. Attacks muslims and kills many. Again muslims called terrorists and extremists.
9) In nigeria, muslims strength were increasing, dean was getting stronger and sharia was implemented in northern parts of nigeria. Then government attacks muslims, calls them terrorist and extremists.
In each one of these cases the media has spread false information about these. For example, they said chechens are terrorists because they killed innocent civilians in moscow apartment bombing. But the truth is that it was later proven that chechens had no involvement in this and infact it was the russian security services that did it.
Same for the others. You will here that children got shot for wanting education, or women getting beaten by extremists....ect ect. So you first got to investigate if the event really happened and then was it really done by the muslims or by people claiming to be muslims trying to spread lies about real muslims trying to disgrace their name.
Same for Al Qaeda. All we about them is what the Jewish controlled media tells us about them. We dont have anything else. We dont know if they are really good or bad. Or where they are from. Who they are. We dont know if they even exist at all.
Also did you spot that in al least 6 of these cases and other cases i not mentioned where muslims are growing strong, they are always to be called "affiliated to Al Qaeda". They made ever muslim Al Qaeda affiliates.
May Allah grant us victory over the the Disbelievers
1) In Chechnya (Shishan) were i am from, when they soviet union broke up, we chechens claimed our independance and intended to introduce sharia law, the dean was growing strong after years of communist stalinist atheist propaganda. We could finally regain our independance and practice our faith. But what happened.. Russia called chechens terrorist, bandits, extremists. Invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Did anyone intervene? No! UN, EU, USA,... they didnt do nothing except talk.
2) Again the Afghans defeated Russian and late nineties Taliban came to power. Then the Dean was growing strong, sharia was being implemented. Then booom, invasion, "war against terror" and all that BullS***. Hundreds of thousands of deaths, injuries and great losses. Again Taliban named terrorists, extremists.
3) Again in Somalia, the dean was growing, and sharia was being implemented then again, muslims called terrorist and extremists. Invaded and slaughtered by USA.
4) In china, many millions of muslims suppresed by the communist government.
5) Burma, muslims being attacked
6) In Yemen the ahlusunnah were gaining ground and then accused of being terrorists and extemists. Once again drones sent in killing many muslims.
7) In sudan, muslims gained power dean was growing, sharia was implemented and then, south sudan was created to split from muslims, now occasional battles take place.
8) In Mali, the muslims were increasing, the dean was getting stronger sharia implemented and then, France invades. Attacks muslims and kills many. Again muslims called terrorists and extremists.
9) In nigeria, muslims strength were increasing, dean was getting stronger and sharia was implemented in northern parts of nigeria. Then government attacks muslims, calls them terrorist and extremists.
In each one of these cases the media has spread false information about these. For example, they said chechens are terrorists because they killed innocent civilians in moscow apartment bombing. But the truth is that it was later proven that chechens had no involvement in this and infact it was the russian security services that did it.
Same for the others. You will here that children got shot for wanting education, or women getting beaten by extremists....ect ect. So you first got to investigate if the event really happened and then was it really done by the muslims or by people claiming to be muslims trying to spread lies about real muslims trying to disgrace their name.
Same for Al Qaeda. All we about them is what the Jewish controlled media tells us about them. We dont have anything else. We dont know if they are really good or bad. Or where they are from. Who they are. We dont know if they even exist at all.
Also did you spot that in al least 6 of these cases and other cases i not mentioned where muslims are growing strong, they are always to be called "affiliated to Al Qaeda". They made ever muslim Al Qaeda affiliates.
May Allah grant us victory over the the Disbelievers
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Are Taliban Fighters in Afghanistan really terrorists?
« on: July 27, 2013, 10:51:54 AM »
Tanveer what proof do you have that the Taliban are criminals? What "proof" apart from the Main stream media do you have that shows Taliban kill innocent men, women and children? And on and on....
Taliban established the sharia in Afghanistan in 2001, and if you look at the Heroine production for before 2001 you see it is high, in 2001 that year the heroin production was Zero. And then when the West invaded and slowly increased their power the Heroin production sky-rocketed like never before.
Do Taliban take responsibility for atrocious attacks?
Go to Afghanistan and ask how are the Taliban?. You will get reply,s like this
1) They are good muslims and want to implement sharia. They help their fellow country men.....etc
2) Some are good some are bad
3) Their bad, beatings etc
When Nato took over the country they created groups of afghanis that called themselves Taliban so, the fake taliban go and kill innocent poeple, then claim that the "we the taliban" did it quote some quranic verses and then everyone belives that they are really taliban.
We are knee deep in crap because our faith is not strong, because we are shy to say we are muslims, because we are embarrases to defend other muslims. Mostly it is because the zionists but we shouldnt stop their and not do anything, thats what they want us to do, blame everythinh on them (blame is on them) so we dont do change anything in ourselves and feel worthless. We blame ourselves first for letting the kaffirs get into this position.
Taliban established the sharia in Afghanistan in 2001, and if you look at the Heroine production for before 2001 you see it is high, in 2001 that year the heroin production was Zero. And then when the West invaded and slowly increased their power the Heroin production sky-rocketed like never before.
Do Taliban take responsibility for atrocious attacks?
Go to Afghanistan and ask how are the Taliban?. You will get reply,s like this
1) They are good muslims and want to implement sharia. They help their fellow country men.....etc
2) Some are good some are bad
3) Their bad, beatings etc
When Nato took over the country they created groups of afghanis that called themselves Taliban so, the fake taliban go and kill innocent poeple, then claim that the "we the taliban" did it quote some quranic verses and then everyone belives that they are really taliban.
We are knee deep in crap because our faith is not strong, because we are shy to say we are muslims, because we are embarrases to defend other muslims. Mostly it is because the zionists but we shouldnt stop their and not do anything, thats what they want us to do, blame everythinh on them (blame is on them) so we dont do change anything in ourselves and feel worthless. We blame ourselves first for letting the kaffirs get into this position.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Main reason for ex-muslims departure of Islam
« on: July 26, 2013, 11:39:40 PM »
Salam Alaykum,
I think it is a mixture of matters. A few would be:
1) Incorrect information on Islam. Like visiting a anti-muslim website and been fed mis-information, that causes them to dislike Islam.
2) Absence of will or determination to follow the dean, and instead follow the evil desires, that are repeatedly amplified by the WasWasa of the damned Shayateen (devils). Everytime a desire is followed that is forbidden in Islam, the Iman decreases until there is non left.
3) And one main reason, ARROGANCE. The most evil kind of arrogance is rejection of the truth and not following it. In this context, many verses were revealed to scold arrogance and the arrogant people. Examples are: On the Day of Judgment, it is said to the arrogant people in surat Ghafer, (Verse 76), what can be translated as,
"Enter the gates of Hell to abide therein, and (indeed) what an evil abode of the arrogant!"
"And turn not your face away from men with pride, nor walk in insolence through the earth. Verily, Allah likes not each arrogant boaster. (31:18)
“And the slaves of God are those who walk on the earth in humility and calmness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.†(Quran 25:63)
Sallam
I think it is a mixture of matters. A few would be:
1) Incorrect information on Islam. Like visiting a anti-muslim website and been fed mis-information, that causes them to dislike Islam.
2) Absence of will or determination to follow the dean, and instead follow the evil desires, that are repeatedly amplified by the WasWasa of the damned Shayateen (devils). Everytime a desire is followed that is forbidden in Islam, the Iman decreases until there is non left.
3) And one main reason, ARROGANCE. The most evil kind of arrogance is rejection of the truth and not following it. In this context, many verses were revealed to scold arrogance and the arrogant people. Examples are: On the Day of Judgment, it is said to the arrogant people in surat Ghafer, (Verse 76), what can be translated as,
"Enter the gates of Hell to abide therein, and (indeed) what an evil abode of the arrogant!"
"And turn not your face away from men with pride, nor walk in insolence through the earth. Verily, Allah likes not each arrogant boaster. (31:18)
“And the slaves of God are those who walk on the earth in humility and calmness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.†(Quran 25:63)
Sallam
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Are the scientific miracles of the Quran all false by default?
« on: July 21, 2013, 05:04:16 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum, brothers,
I have an small update. I have collected more correct translations of 51:47 that agree with the Expanding Miracle. Two things you should keep in mind. 1) In the last half of the ayah it is always translated as present continuous..eg 'we ARE makers of....', not 'we WERE makers of...'. 2) We have proven and will still prove musioun means expand, expanding, expander..etc. Here they are:
Amatul Rahman Omar
As for the heaven, We have built it with (Our) Mighty power, and verily We are Makers of the vast extent.
Hamid S. Aziz
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and it is We that expand the vastness of space (or We are the expanders of it).
Faridul Haque
And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse.
Edward Henry Palmer
And the heaven - we have built it with might, and, verily, we do surely give it ample space!
Arthur John Arberry
And heaven -- We built it with might, and We extend it wide.
Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi)
And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse.
Talal A. Itani (new translation)
We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.
Muhammad Asad
AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar
And We built the heaven with potency. And, truly, We are ones who extend wide.
Ali Quli Qara'i
We have built the sky with might, and indeed it is We who are its expanders.
Hamid S. Aziz
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and it is We that expand the vastness of space (or We are the expanders of it).
Shabbir Ahmed
And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily expanding it.
Dr. Kamal Omar
And the heaven: We constructed it with (Our Own) hands; and surely We are indeed those Who make expansion and create vastness.
Mir Aneesuddin:
And the sky, We constructed it with energy, and We are the Expanders (of it)
The Majestic Quran (Ali Oztek et al.):
We built the heaven with might, and We are able to expand it.
I have an small update. I have collected more correct translations of 51:47 that agree with the Expanding Miracle. Two things you should keep in mind. 1) In the last half of the ayah it is always translated as present continuous..eg 'we ARE makers of....', not 'we WERE makers of...'. 2) We have proven and will still prove musioun means expand, expanding, expander..etc. Here they are:
Amatul Rahman Omar
As for the heaven, We have built it with (Our) Mighty power, and verily We are Makers of the vast extent.
Hamid S. Aziz
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and it is We that expand the vastness of space (or We are the expanders of it).
Faridul Haque
And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse.
Edward Henry Palmer
And the heaven - we have built it with might, and, verily, we do surely give it ample space!
Arthur John Arberry
And heaven -- We built it with might, and We extend it wide.
Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi)
And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse.
Talal A. Itani (new translation)
We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.
Muhammad Asad
AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar
And We built the heaven with potency. And, truly, We are ones who extend wide.
Ali Quli Qara'i
We have built the sky with might, and indeed it is We who are its expanders.
Hamid S. Aziz
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and it is We that expand the vastness of space (or We are the expanders of it).
Shabbir Ahmed
And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily expanding it.
Dr. Kamal Omar
And the heaven: We constructed it with (Our Own) hands; and surely We are indeed those Who make expansion and create vastness.
Mir Aneesuddin:
And the sky, We constructed it with energy, and We are the Expanders (of it)
The Majestic Quran (Ali Oztek et al.):
We built the heaven with might, and We are able to expand it.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: HELP: Imran's fatherhood in the Quran. I'm a muslim and i don't find the rebutta
« on: May 10, 2013, 06:21:35 PM »
Mashallah brother egyptian. may Allah bless you. I really learned alot from your post. Allah Ya3tikall3fia
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Are the scientific miracles of the Quran all false by default?
« on: May 10, 2013, 07:53:26 AM »
Salam Alykum.
Also i would like to add some of the various english translations of the Holy Quran that show that the universe is expanding. Some of these are from Quransearch.com.
Tanwīr al-Miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn 'Abbās Attributed variously to: 'Abdullāh Ibn 'Abbās Muḥammad al-Fīrūzabādī TRANSLATED BY Mokrane Guezzou:
[51:47] (We have built) created (the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof)) as We will; it is also said that this means: we expand the provision thereof.
A Reformist Translation Translated and Annotated by Edip Yuksel Layth Saleh al-Shaiban Martha Schulte-Nafeh:
[51:47] We constructed the universe with might, and We are expanding it.
Dr. Munir Munshey: [051:047] With Our power and prowess, We brought into being the universe. And indeed, We expand it (steadily)!
Khalifa: [051:047] We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it
Sahih International: [51:047] And the Heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander
51:47: Al-Muntakhab: "And the heaven with its regions, spheres and realms of space did We skillfully, powerfully and authoritatively construct and We are expanding the universe.
51:47: T. B. Irving: "The sky We have built firmly and We are extending it."
51:47: Tahir al-Qadri: "And We built the heavenly universe with great might. And surely We are expanding (this universe) more and more."
51:47: Muhammad Taqi Usmani: "And the sky was built by Us with might; and indeed We are the expanders."
51:47: Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali: "And the heaven (is also a sign). We have built it with (Our) Hands (i.e., Capability) and surely We are indeed extending (it) wide."
51:47: Bijan Moeinian: "I (God) have created the universe myself and will continue to expand it."
51:47: Ali Unal: "And the heaven, We have constructed it mightily, and it is surely We Who have vast power, and keep expanding it."
51:47: Muhammad Ahmed & Samira: "And the sky/space We built/constructed it with power/support, and We are extending/spreading."
51:47: Progressive Muslims: "And We constructed the universe using matter, and We will expand it.
Also i would like to add some of the various english translations of the Holy Quran that show that the universe is expanding. Some of these are from Quransearch.com.
Tanwīr al-Miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn 'Abbās Attributed variously to: 'Abdullāh Ibn 'Abbās Muḥammad al-Fīrūzabādī TRANSLATED BY Mokrane Guezzou:
[51:47] (We have built) created (the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof)) as We will; it is also said that this means: we expand the provision thereof.
A Reformist Translation Translated and Annotated by Edip Yuksel Layth Saleh al-Shaiban Martha Schulte-Nafeh:
[51:47] We constructed the universe with might, and We are expanding it.
Dr. Munir Munshey: [051:047] With Our power and prowess, We brought into being the universe. And indeed, We expand it (steadily)!
Khalifa: [051:047] We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it
Sahih International: [51:047] And the Heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander
51:47: Al-Muntakhab: "And the heaven with its regions, spheres and realms of space did We skillfully, powerfully and authoritatively construct and We are expanding the universe.
51:47: T. B. Irving: "The sky We have built firmly and We are extending it."
51:47: Tahir al-Qadri: "And We built the heavenly universe with great might. And surely We are expanding (this universe) more and more."
51:47: Muhammad Taqi Usmani: "And the sky was built by Us with might; and indeed We are the expanders."
51:47: Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali: "And the heaven (is also a sign). We have built it with (Our) Hands (i.e., Capability) and surely We are indeed extending (it) wide."
51:47: Bijan Moeinian: "I (God) have created the universe myself and will continue to expand it."
51:47: Ali Unal: "And the heaven, We have constructed it mightily, and it is surely We Who have vast power, and keep expanding it."
51:47: Muhammad Ahmed & Samira: "And the sky/space We built/constructed it with power/support, and We are extending/spreading."
51:47: Progressive Muslims: "And We constructed the universe using matter, and We will expand it.
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