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mokko:

--- Quote from: Egyptian on September 23, 2012, 10:38:23 AM ---the bible tolerates polygamy as well ....  there is a full christian site dedicated to support polygamy

http://www.biblepolygamy.com/

regards

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yes, but I guess that the author of the article referred to practice by Christians. And of course, the author is wrong, because there are other religions that tolerate polygyny.

maybe he simply meant: "Islam is the most famous religion where you still find many adherents who defend polygyny".

the point of the author is partly false: today, the practice of polygyny is marginal in arab countries. however, sexual frustration is very important, and the author is correct to connect this frustration with violence. there are plenty of examples not related to religion (see for example the fury over the football match egypt-algeria, etc..).

mokko:

--- Quote from: Antiaparteid on September 23, 2012, 12:15:08 PM ---So, was it wrong for me to have hope for them--hope that allah can be gracious to such women?

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Your intention was certainly good. However, the result might still be partly wrong, and people on this forum can tell you why.

1. the fate of those women could be sad indeed, but the fate of single and career-oriented women in the West is equally sad. Muslim women with families often show a symmetric compassion for their "professionally successful" sisters in the West. In all countries, it is hard to combine career and family.


2. Even in the West, most people are just realistic: marriage is not about love, it is about building a family. It is a job like others (sometimes equally boring). In real life, Western people do not live in their soap operas and telenovelas. Their pragmatism and lack of romantism can be a shock for people who know the West only through television (but now, with internet, reality emerges..).

3. The Muslim female question is always understood with the background of cultural imperialism. Western people will always get the "clean your own backyard first" reaction, even if the Muslim backyard is also not very clean.

mokko:

--- Quote from: Antiaparteid on September 23, 2012, 12:15:08 PM ---For the single guys who spend their lonely lives defending polygamy: don't worry inshalla you'll have a hot wife (or 4) and precious children to keep you occupied.

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You complained of being persecuted, but now, it is irresponsible to use your little power to persecute others. Knowing that Muslim man supremacy is only a "tiger of paper" should not turn you into a bully.

In Muslim countries, women on streets get harrassed because men feel "bullied" by female appearance, and they try to overcome this feeling of vulnerability by getting aggressive (something women usually do not understand, they get scared and ignore that the man was actually interested). This lack of confidence on both sides is a source of this misunderstanding, I think.

When Muslim women respect male sensitivity, they will no longer need hijabs and niqabs to go out (btw, the Quran explicitly refers to female harrassment when dealing with female covering).

Antiaparteid:

--- Quote from: mokko on September 26, 2012, 12:50:10 PM ---In Muslim countries, women on streets get harrassed because men feel "bullied" by female appearance,
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Please explain how a man can feel "bullied" by a woman's appearance.

 
--- Quote from: mokko on September 26, 2012, 12:50:10 PM ---and they try to overcome this feeling of vulnerability by getting aggressive
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--- Quote from: mokko on September 26, 2012, 12:50:10 PM ---When Muslim women respect male sensitivity, they will no longer need hijabs and [...]

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I have to disagree with the above. I think [bold] muslim men [/bold] should take responsiblity for their actions, and learn to control their actions. The muslim governments must toughen laws against those harassers. We need sharia-reforms that will protect women--and their freedom to dress and act as provocatively as they please. 

mokko:

--- Quote from: Antiaparteid on September 27, 2012, 09:38:36 AM ---Please explain how a man can feel "bullied" by a woman's appearance.

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When you get repeatedly turned-on, without being able to succumb to this temptation. It is a torture. It is Tantalus's punishment.

You can exercise self-control on moderate levels of temptation, but beyond some point, it becomes impossible. You cannot build a society by repressing desire. This energy has to flow somewhere. It is better to channel this energy in constructive ways, instead of desperately trying to suppress it with harsh and violent laws (or inner codes of conduct). What did they achieve with this brutal method? In my opinion, just frustration and unhappiness.

In most non-Muslim countries (in the West and elsewhere), they do not need these repressive laws. They distinguish between harrassment and legitimate courtship. In those countries, women have the right to attract men with provocative dress, and they enjoy being respectfully (but confidently) approached and complimented. They also have the right to decline sollicitations (more or less politely) from unwanted approaches, and rejected men silently move on to the next. And life goes on for everyone.

There are many problems associated with this more liberal way of life, but in practice, Muslim societies have certainly not found the solution to them.

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