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1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? I
2- Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies?
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?

Talking about the unseen activities, the Holy Spirit  did not appear in physical form but the spirit simply fruit divine seed inside the womb of Mary to create a flesh for the Word whom later will be known as Jesus.

So in actual fact Jesus is Son of the Holy Spirit. But since Holy Spirit is equal to Father the Creator whom has equal status under Godhead to all 3 entitties and equal to Word who is Jesus himself. Jesus is actually Son of Himself.

Are you serious that Jesus, God (Father the creator) and Holy spirit are equal??

Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven according to the bible. But not to the Holy Ghost.
This makes the Holy Ghost "above" the Son of Man... according to bible...

Authors of the NT most of time claim such as: jews said: xxx.
They are writing what jews are saying, if jesus said these, why is there NO such speech in the bible where jesus is directly quoted?

Bring me a verse from the bible where jesus says:
I'm equal to god and the spirit. a direct quote of him.

(I think I understood you wrong :D I thought u were a christian claiming something about the holy ghost etc)

Assalam.akykam  a christian.said the following

One day we will all be judged by God for violating his moral Law the Ten Commandments. Jesus said there was no one good but God. If a man or woman lusts in their heart it's the same as adultery, if you hate your brother, you are guilty of murder, God said you shall not commit adultery, and you should not kill. Let me ask you something...have you ever lied, or blasphemed Gods holy name? Have you stolen anything, like someone's virginity? Have you ever been jealous? God desires truth in the inward parts, not only in our actions but in our thought life and in the motives of our heart.

What is your question? What should be answered?

We know that in islam, our intention is as important as our deeds..

Quran 2:225
Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

Quran 9:107
And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But Allah doth declare that they are certainly liars.

(they build mosques, which is such a gooddeed, but their intention is not actually to do good, but to cause troubles..! And are called liars by Allah.

Quran 33:5
Call them by (the names of) their fathers: that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if ye know not their father's (names, call them) your Brothers in faith, or your maulas. But there is no blame on you if ye make a mistake therein: (what counts is) the intention of your hearts: and Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

Assalam alykam this is a challenge by a christian

Challenge to all muslims on planet earth including, apologists, scholars, and allah himself!
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed. (Sahin Muslim ,Book #043, Hadith #7182)
1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? It is like saying that evil spirits repent and become godly especially when jinns are devils(Sahih Muslim Book #039, Hadith #6757), of course this is nonsense and cannot happen. Did they recite the Shahada? If yes then prove your point with reference. If there is no reference then allah is a liar because NO ONE can become a muslim unless he recites the Shahada.
2- What about the muslim jinns? Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies? Prove your claims with reference. If not then allah is lying again because everything that is worshiped besides allah will be in hell, Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come. If these had been gods they would not have come thither, but all will abide therein. 21:98-99
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Conclusion: Since Quran says that anyone who becomes a muslim will go to paradise and have sex with houris and since Quran also says that those whom worshiped(21:98-99) will be in hell.
If we use Quranic standard then we find a clear contradiction because Jinns "became muslims" and they were "still worshiped ". In another sense Jinns cannot have sex with houris and burn in hell "AT THE SAME TIME".

Reply exactly like this :PPP

Oh no! U have exposed Islam!! U are the great genius!! Ow Em Giii :D


Go read chapter 72 in the quran named  Surat Al-Jinn if you're so interested in "learning" anyway. :)

('There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).) So, are they all "devils"? :)

Who says Jinns are just "spirits"? What is your claim that they can't have physical bodies? The only thing, I know, is that Jinss can disguise themselves and are unseen to us. I don't think they can be seen, or if they can be seen, I don't think they show their "true" body.

Anyway, I bet u're the one that claims a man is God, right? Or better yet, he is his own son? Or no, a better saying; "He created everything including himself, just to "die" for YOUR sin." And he is also "The Living God" "Lord" Son of God" "Son of Man" "Mediator, a man, for humankind" "Servent of God" "Lamb of God"...

Who entitles a Man so much contradictory titles anyway? Yeah, naive christians :P

And for the sex part, what is so hard to understand? Maybe they will have "physical" bodies, maybe they will be spirits? Maybe spirits can have sexual intercourse too, but not like men? They are created out of fire, we out of mud. This doesn't mean they are a walking flame, and we are a walking mud? How does mud have sex? :)

Let us ask you a question.

IS jesus god? Is jesus the son of god? Or is jesus the messiah?
Is jesus equal to God in the Godhead Bodily? Is he equal to the holy ghost/spirit? Are they all equal? Or is one more equal?

(Nor I am apologist or scholar, just a simple man, having limited knowledge of quran. I'm pretty sure better answers are on their way so wait for them.)

Aleykum Es selaam.

Very easy, humans only have children.
They believe God is a spirit.
Spirits don't mate or beget children.

And in the bible actually God is every believers Father!

And also if I'm not mistaken, (I have to rely on my memory), only an appostle is saying that jesus is the begotten son and some jews. But jesus never says himsefl I'm the only begotten son of God.(If so, Adam too, so there are 2 begotten sons)

Yeah I totally understand you.

But after many long posts on youtube and whatnot. I realized people don't even try to read everything :D

I try to keep it as short and as simple as possible. :P

But yeah, where is the world heading towards my friend. We let symbols infiltrate, false hadith, false muslims, lies, etc in our religion.
We mock jews for believing oral tradition. But we do the same... +-125000 hadith, +- 7500 sahih, +-2000 chained

We mock christians for symbolism. But our mosques are racing minarets with moon star symbols...
(I live in a west european country, we have 3 mosques and none have a moon or a minaret. The one in the other city ahs a minaret but I didn't pay attention if it has one)

Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Trinity
« on: April 26, 2015, 04:02:15 PM »
Why don't we believe in trinity?

easy, for one doesn't even need to open teh quran..

deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

1 timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Clearly god is no man, and jesus is a man.

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Son of man is lower in degree than the Holy spirit, which is lower in degree than God.

How can these all be 1 when they are clearly not EQUAL?

Assalam alykam  I am debating a christian and they are asking does the injeel record Jesus acussed of blsaspermy?

This Christian says the Following   "  Tell me why Allah made the one going to the cross appear like Jesus while it was someone else. My question was not about trying to prove Jesus deity, Isa. My question was to find out if it was recorded in the Injil. It makes no sense to me that your Quran records that Allah made it look like Jesus on the cross while it was someone else while not providing documented Injil about Jesus being on trial in the first place. You Muslims often say that Jesus RECEIVED the Injil, but that the injil is not a recording of Jesus life. If that is the case, why did Allah address a non documented history--unless you are admitting that the gospel account from the Christian gospel is real documented history that Allah should address. and if it really happened and is recorded in the original Injil you guys say was out there, then that does not make sense either to me, since you all say that the Injil was not about Jesus life---you all say the injil was GIVEN to Jesus. I hope I am making my point clear--- WHAT was Allah addressing when He said that He made it appear that the one on the cross was Jesus? Was He addressing an Injil that you no longer have or was He addressing the actual gospel records, which, would then seem to me that Allah is giving some creadance to the Christian gospel writings. and if not, then does that mean your Injil really was a record of Jesus life?"


You don't need to respond to this... He doesn' come with any real points... What is he trying to say? Proof me with gospels that are not in bible that jesus didn't die?

Why not prove him out of his own book?

3 day ressurection is NOT ORAL:
matthew 12:40

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

We know Jonah didn't die in the belly.
So bible tells us clearly, jesus will DIS APPEAR.

ask him this please

But when you read the bible more, u see that jesus got cruxified on a saturday, and sunday morning he was not in his 'sepuclher' anymore.
1) It's not a custom to put death people in a sepulcher
2) Jews payed money to soldiers, why??
3) Bible says nothing will harm jesus, but jesus died?
4) Jesus himself tells he needs to ascend, he never says he needs to die
5) Jesus cries and asks help from God. Did god forgot to help his 'only begotten son'?
6) - this is most important - When jesus appeard to his mother and disciples, they could NOT recognize him. Only by the voice. WHUTWHATWHUT????
(( 7) quran says it appeared as to them, no where it says it was someone else made so, maybe the hadith do say this BUT u need to look if it's a CHAINED hadith. If even labeled as authentic, but it's not chained, there is not much reason to trust it as 100% true.)

U need to play hard against those who play hard.

Ofcourse but It's very easy to know which part jews played with.

The 'gospels' that are really gods word or very correct commenteries on gods word. These can be easily distinguished from the other books that contradicts the bible and the teachings of jesus.

For example, there are christians out there today not accepting 7 books in OT and they also say NT has this too but can't get their mind on it since the catholic church didn't leave much behind.

But the point is, if bible says: jesus is the only begotten son(and only very very few passages have this) u know already this is not correct and has been altered.

But if it doesn't say anything against the quran, why would you need to accept is as corrupt.

Islam is not a new religion, it's confirmation what they already posses, and we find no evidence that bible has changed since our prophets time.
But we have lots of evidence that every 5 years or so a new major translation comes out and defines a verse SO different, it makes a different meaning.

That's our difference, we still use the original version, we also have translations that are not same/a bit different than other translations. Does this mean quran is changed? Nope.

The 'son of god' title: OT has nothing like this
NT has: 42 references. (biblegateway '' son of god '')

But we also know the greek word for Son is exactly the same as Servant... So, how are christians sure this is not wrongly translated?

Assalamu alaikum dear brother TDRTB

There is NO proof the crescent moon has anything to do with islam.

That's what I am talking about! It really doesnt have anything to do. But the problem is people are making it to do so. And that's what I am standing against.

Don't overdo this brothers.......Case closed.....

We are not, dear brother :)

If almost every mosque in the world had a cross or a star of david or a owm (of Hinduism) on the top of it, and if people used this symbols whenever they wanted to represent Islam, in their flags, on TV; would you close the case so easily? ??? If I started a long thread against these would you call it overdoing, brother? The whole muslim world would protest against these symbols!!!

Muslims are now doing so by using the star-crescent symbol! But none says anything against it.

Why? Because they know that the cross, SOD, the hindu owm are all infidels' symbols. But the thing they don't know is that the crescent symbol also predates islam and is a pagan symbol too. And that's what I am trying to tell them, dear brother. U may read my posts with the picture of the harranian moon deity. And the post with the coins is just an appendix!! I showed there how the symbol first came in contact with the islamic empire.

I will say this again....Neither the Quran, nor the Prophet SAW suggested this symbol, so it is a new innovation, and every new innovation is a bidat and every bidat is error.


Don't get me wrong bro, I just meant don't overdo the explanation.

Just say not in quran or hadith you find something like this, and if this was, why doesn't saudi arabia iraq etc have these? These are the first muslim countries on earth.

But u're right, it's ''infiltrated'' and even muslims think it has something to do with islam :S

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / What's wrong with hadiths?
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:01:26 PM »

How many (real) authentic hadith are there?

I hear a lot +-7500

But at the same time I hear sahi bukhari and muslim only contained 2000 in the begin. And everything else was added after their lifetime.

For this they say even they mentioned only trusting chained hadith. And those labeled as authentic are mostly not even chained...

Why doesn't the scholars come and just make a new book that only contains these? Or if there is a book like this, where can I buy/visit online?

Thanks and peace!

« on: April 25, 2015, 03:55:57 PM »
Greek scribes wrote Satan as "ho theos" on earth. In other word , Christians believe that Satan temporarily gets a rank equal to God when residing on earth until certain appointed time.

So its not an issue in those Greek story for equal level beings to have such conversation, in this case the story is about a false God but temporarily equal in rank,  instructing 'true' God to worship the former.

U didn't answer anything, but made it more complicated than it needed to be.

First, do you believe jesus is God? If so, why does jesus say only worship God?
Secondly, satan has been given power, yes. BUT, nowhere in the bible you can find him being equal to God... He has powers, but no where near as powerfull as God. Even satan will die at the end. And who will take his spirit out of his 'body'? AN ANGEL of god! So the angel is more powerful because God works trough him.

And also God is doing his works trough jesus as bible says, right?

So jesus has god's spirit in him... And look what jesus says: i don't speak on my behalf, god does his work trough me. He is in a sense powerless, it's God doing what is need to be done.
Jesus ate and went to the bathroom. Jesus cried, prayed with his face on the ground, got very angry and a bit violent with jews in the synagogue who used it as a 'business'. Just like our prophet who broke every single statue in the kabah...

« on: April 25, 2015, 03:45:38 PM »
Also isn't there something like this:
Muslims are the models non muslims should look after. So they will want to come closer to islam just by your attitude and way of life.

So be patient, don't curse, don't rage, don't make fun of people, help people in need, etc.

Treat people as you wish others would treat you.

We don't need to invite people to islam, we don't need to force islam... Quran clealry tells us, Allah is who guides people to the right path, right? They can become muslim even just hearin one verse of the quran, or they need to know everything first. But we can't go and spam them with hey look what quran says;(for example) if you don't believe u go to hell.

For we must not make people feel strange about islam, we just need to live as good as possible that they THEMSELVES come to us and ask us to share knowledge and whatnot.

So the best we can do is: be a good role model, right?

(For one ignorant western guy who never has been in touch with muslims, and only believes what he hears on media, he thinks muslims are bad. But when they travel and/or meet a very very nice muslim people, they will AUTOMATICALLY start talking about what he hears in media and question you. That's our nature, questioning.)

Don't overdo this brothers...

There is NO proof the crescent moon has antything to do with islam.

Look at saudi arabia flag, iraq flag, egypt, etc.
None has moon and these countries were islamic way before ottoman empire, pakistan, etc....

And in the quran nowhere you find use moon emblem.

Case closed, it's this easy to answer :D

But, not the whole thing is corrupt. Actually, most are just replacements of words and mis translations.

But I met a guy on youtube who told me some gospels are man made.(christian) (I don't remember which, and he failed to answer why specifaclly these)
He hated the catholic church but failed to ignore a trinitary concept... So we need to use bible

It's useless to talk about quran to most non muslims for in the first place they don't believe it's the word of God anyway. Only a few that wants to learn will take in consideration what you will say about the quran. (look at the comment on your page)

U need to come with logic, and some verses of the bible...

For example, when people say there are 3 gods and these equal 1. U don't need to link them the quran where it says Desist of saying trinity.
But rather, link them just a few passages from the bible that is against this... This will make them think and take consideration for what they know...
Most will ofcourse roll in rage :D And after THIS, when they read quran, it'll become clearer for them.

That's the best way because Allah choses who he guides and who he does not.

U can be the smartest, best person alive, but if Allah doesn't want you to see light, U will never.
We can proof him the quran is true, still he will not believe.. right?
(in bible also god says only he choses those who are guided)


The link is not working. And we actually know the prophet, peace be upon him, did question christians and jews.

But for now I can't answer for the link is not working.

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