Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Topics - Isa27James

Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 [7] 8
91
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / I have a tough question
« on: December 16, 2013, 06:30:20 AM »
Assalam alykam

i am diving into a deep question


the tittles father and son of God  and God used in the previous nations were permissible  and we know them to be symbolical or metaphorical   

my question is why would Allah  give room for these terms to be misused  ???

and start a whole new belief that Jesus is the son of God

I know and you know it means servant

There are passages in the bible when Allah speaks to David  now the word beggoten is used but in Quran Allah does not use this

what is the correct translation and again it leaves room to  have some belief that God is a father and he has children   

King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."


CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND MORE  AND ALSO THE CORRECT TRANSLATION
 

92
Assalam alykam

can someone please explain this hadith

 QUOTE FROM BUKHARI VOLUME 5, #369
"Narrated Jabir Abdullah: "Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes". Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka'b). The prophet said, "You may say it."

ESPECIALLY THIS PART OF THE HADITH    Now then, how does a man hurt Allah?

IS IT HURTING HIM IN A WAY THAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE HURTING HIM OR WHAT???

93
Assalam alykam

a christian posted this  trying to say  it refers to Muhammad pbuh

what is the whole passage saying
here

   
 Jud 1:1

94
Assalam alykam


can you please refute this video 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD4hEk3VYo

95
Assalam alykam

here is a short video  of a woman  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my2ROubWhaw

saying that Jesus called him self the unique attributes of God


what are your refutation to this

here is one of mine  John 14:6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Lord Yeshua is saying that Torah and Him are one in the same. The Way, the Truth and the life are all Hebraic metaphors for Torah or for being Torah observant.)

96
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Virgin birth from paganism ???
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:41:29 AM »
Assalam alykam bro we believe in the virgin birth yes  now there were many stories in pagan times of virgin births did the bible copy from these stories did the Quran copy from the bible???on the virgin birth story is it historically documented???


there are many pagan born of virgin stories


Since 10.000 BC History is abundent with carvings and writings regarding the worship
of the sun
It gave us our light ~ life on this planet without it would not survive
These realities make the sun the most adorned object of all time
for earth, likewise, ancient cultures where very aware of the stars~
The zodiac is a result of this relation to the sun thus elaborate myths came into being

The sun was known in ancient times as "Sun God" ~"Light of the World" ~
"The saviour of human kind"

Myths where made in honour of worshiping the need of the sun for human survival
and understanding its cycle, and living according to it for daily living.

The first myth was Horus
horus
The Sun God of Egypt, born at around 3000 BC:
The phrase Horiszon comes from the word Horus has risen
Hours is also derived from Horus, as it is the suns track through the day.
Sunset comes from Horus**
Ancient people said Horus evil brother was set
Horus vs Set
Set was the personification of the darkness~
Light verses dark - good verses evil
The word sunset derive from Horus vs Set

These are the biggest mythical dualities ever known

Horus
* Born on the 25th December
* Born of a virgin
* Star in the East
* Adorned by three kings
* Teacher at the age of 12
* Baptised/ Ministery at 30
* Performed miracles
* Known as Lamb of God The Truth The Light Gods anionted Son
* He was crusified
* Died for three days
* Reserrected

Whether original or not this myth's influence was seen and penuated many other cultures
all over the world

I will now mention all the other mythical solar messiahs that stemed from Horus
and there very familar story follows the sames format as above.

Attis of Greece 1200 BC
* Born on the 25th December
* Born of a vigin
* Star in the East
* Adorned by three kings
* Teacher at twelve
* Baptised/ Ministery at 30
* Had twelve disciples
* Performed miracles
* He was crusified
* Dead for three days
* Reserected

Krishna
* Born in India 900 BC
* born of a virgin
* Star in the East
* Adorned by three Kings ......
(Same events then follows as above)

Dionysus of Greece
* Born on the 25th December
* Born of a virgin
* Star in the East
* Adorned by three kings .....
(same events follow...)

Mithra of Persia 1200 BC
* Born 25th December
* born of a virgin
* Star in the East
* Adorned by three kings
(same events follow....)

There are dozens of crusified saviours through mythology, all over the world
Fitting these general discriptions

The question is why these Attributes :?:

To find out let us look at the most recent of the solar Messiahs
Jesus Christ


or is Jesus the authentic and the only one recorded   only Matthew And luke in the gospels mention the virgin birth  now did they copy from pagan texts  the authors of these gospels could be adding the pagan stories 

97
Assalam alykam

this was said to me after i showed him his  old dawah videos as a dawah here is one of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2UcyFUgTYo


here is what he said


He was a spiritual dead sinner hiding behind religion, I would never want to be under that spiritual oppression ever again Jesus Christ has set me free, I now have eternal life flowing within my heart. Salvation is only found in this person Jesus not any any of these religions. If you die without knowing this person and that person knowing  you are damned for eternity.

98
Assalam alykam brother how are you i need help refuting this n the end times, when the pale (

99
Assalam alykam here a ex muslim says this to me who is now a christian

i know he is a real ex muslim i have seen  dawah videos of his


he says this about ALlah

I still believe the Lord is one, one in Deut 4 is not a number it means unity a unity of compounds echad, just like ahad in Arabic is not the number one it means unity. Allah according to the Quran and Sunnah is a compound unity! If you want to be logical consistent you have to reject Allah of the Quran also.



what do we say to this

100
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Message for Christians
« on: November 24, 2013, 10:25:43 PM »
This whole chapter is talking about God and who he is and what he is not he is not a trinity ok people get that straight he is not a trinty he would of mentioned that to Moses pbuh Nehemiah 9
New International Version (NIV)
The Israelites Confess Their Sins

9 On the twenty-fourth day of the same month, the Israelites gathered together, fasting and wearing sackcloth and putting dust on their heads. 2 Those of Israelite descent had separated themselves from all foreigners. They stood in their places and confessed their sins and the sins of their ancestors. 3 They stood where they were and read from the Book of the Law of the Lord their God for a quarter of the day, and spent another quarter in confession and in worshiping the Lord their God. 4 Standing on the stairs of the Levites were Jeshua, Bani, Kadmiel, Shebaniah, Bunni, Sherebiah, Bani and Kenani. They cried out with loud voices to the Lord their God. 5 And the Levites

101
Assalam alykam a christian has said something about this verse more below

5-53. And those who believe will say: "Are these the men (hypocrites) who swore their strongest oaths by Allah that they were with you (Muslims)?" All that they did has been in vain (because of their hypocrisy), and they have become the losers.




he also says to me
I just got in from Church and I am about leave out to go back and worship some more God willing. So I do not have time to give the detailed type of answer I would like to give, but this will have to do until later tonight God willing. I think like what happens most times in these sorts of conversations there is failure to communicate differing ideas and differing understandings of  meanings of words. So people and up talking past each other, I don;t want to talk past you and i hope you would not want to talk past me. So we both need to try as hard as possible to make sure the other person is understanding what we are trying to say.
For one I am taking my time to speak to you like I am open to do with any Muslim out of compassion, I was in your exact same shoes not to long ago. Every argument you have used, are using and will use I already know about, and yet I reject all of them because they contradict objective reality and reason. For example you have expressed that the Trinity is not in the Bible and other things and yet just like the writer of the Quran you have shown you have no knowledge of what is even being claimed by believers in the Trinity. So in reality you are not rejecting the actual doctrine of the Trinity, you are blind following your pre-conceived notions and prejudices without verifying if they are correct or not.
 The Quran writers thought Christians believed in Tritheism, the belief there are three independent gods, and that Allah was the 3rd god of three other gods, those being Jesus and Mary. The Quran writer also believed that Christian thought Allah took Mary as a wife and had Jesus by her through sexual relations. This is a prime reason why I had to reject the Quran, Tritheism is not the Trinity, they are two different things. No Christian believes any of these things, our bible doesn't claim these things, none of our book of theology or doctrine claim these things. in fact these perverted claims are just as blasphemous to us as they are to Muslims.
 Its sad you and other Muslims have been mistakenly misled to accept confusion and untruths in the Quran about the Trinity and mistakenly think when we say God is a Trinity you think we are referring to what is properly called Tritheism. But I can not accept that an all knowing God wouldn't know the truth about all these things. An All knowing God could not have written Surah 5:53, its clear to any reasonable person it was written by a human being only. In fact to twist your oppositions position into something easier for you to refute is called a straw man logical fallacy, the Quran trying to paint the Trinity as being like Tritheism is a straw man argument, I can not accept a God would ever use a logical fallacy. God created reason and has to be reasonable, I may not understand everything God does but  that doesn't mean God is being unreasonable. 
I am not going to waste my time refuting straw man arguments and low level dawah, I am not bragging but I am above that level. You are not going to convince me with internet conspiracy theories, what you can do as I have invited you to, that is interact with what is being said in a clear intelligent manner. Please do not forget I use to give dawah, so simple dawah arguments don't work on me. Also saying a a Jew disagrees with you doesn't impress me either, that's Dawah 101 and insulting to my intelligence. Truth is not determined by the opinion of a random Jew, or a group random Jews, That Jew and all the Jews are human being who need to repent or be damned to hell, no one man is a source of infallible information. Its simply a historical fact the majority of Judaism believed and expected an divine Messiah prior to the Romans destroying Jerusalem. I just gave a lecture on this subject at U of M university quoting from the foremost researches in this subject. Your Jewish friends opinion doesn't cancel out actual documented facts. In the very Bible you and he have access to its is clear the The Jews of Jesus day understood him to be claiming to the Logos the Word of God in flesh before them, His disciples responded by worshiping him and calling him God and his enemies responded by saying he uttered blasphemy and had him crucified...these again are facts no one gets to have their own personal feelings.

If you believe Jesus doesn't need to die to atone for sin you should be a atheist not a Muslim ...that would make more sense and be more logically consistent. Since Islam teaches substitutionary atonement the Quran and Sunnah, someone acted as a substitute on the cross for Jesus to be saved the very thing you same can never take place on our behalf! Jews an Christians will replace Muslims in hell so Muslims can be saved from hell and enter Jannah! So again be consistent!
Getting ready for church, I will email you later and show you where Muhammad said to the Christians the first part of surrah Maryam was unclear and no one knows its meaning but Allah and only those who have a disease in their heart ask about its meaning, this was after the same exact verses were supposedly sent down to give a clear answer the same Christians.


Please refute his long post if you have the time and energy  JazakAllah khair

102
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / refuting 1 John 2:18-27
« on: November 24, 2013, 05:45:49 AM »
ASSALAM ALYKAM

when ever i am in  a debate christians always quote me this

1 John 2:18-27
English Standard Version (ESV)
Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us

103
Assalam alykam

A christian missionary told me to compare Jesus and Muhammad

he said  look at the life they both lived and you will see which one is holly which one is not


they say Muhammad had sex with many women ect ect  while Jesus refrained

and Muhammad killed ect ect while Jesus did not

and all this other crap they try to pin on Muhammad

what is the best way to respond

104
Assalam alykam

christians will say this is temple of solomon

I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

105
Assalam alyka this was sent to me

1 Peter 3:15 and the Deity of Jesus Christ
at Wednesday, November 20, 2013
Grace and Peace be unto you.





There are many famous and widely quoted verses from the Bible, such as Jeremiah 29:11Open in Logos Bible Software (if available), Ephesians 3:8Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) or John 3:16Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)(which according to Biblegateway.com is the most read Bible verse on their site). One Bible verse stands out for two important reasons that are related to the purpose of this blog. That Bible verse is 1 Peter 3:15, a passage widely quoted by apologists because of the presence of the Greek word "ἀπολογία / ap-ol-og-ee

Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 [7] 8

What's new | A-Z | Discuss & Blog | Youtube