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« on: September 11, 2016, 01:41:52 PM »
...That it wasn't Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Syria, or Libya, or Iran

« on: August 14, 2016, 06:32:57 PM »
Depends. Any Total Recall remake without Arnold Schwarzenegger in it should be classified as the maximum of haram.

1. You're more likely to get STDs and STIs

Rates of STIs are also higher in Africa and the Middle East. The reason for that is not the reason you think. The eugenicist corporatocracy caused companies like Bayer to knowingly sell HIV positive needles. Basically, anybody who wasn't a straight, white male was denied services like health care or contraception.

2. You can't reporoduce, everyone should reproduce, unless if they are unable to.

This is coming from your own personal worldview that "everyone should reproduce". Actually, this isn't even your own personal worldview. This is part of the pro-capitalist religious agenda and is also the reason why abortions/birth control are frowned upon. If you look at a food chain, the most vicious of predatory species exist fewest in number, at the top of the chain, and owe their existence to the large numbers of the people at the very bottom. This is how capitalism works. As for my personal views on the matter, I am pro-choice, I believe that you should reproduce, unless you do not wish to.

3. You think it is okay that you do anal intercourse? It is against human nature. Or fellatios to same gender?

Human beings are sexual beings. We crave sex all the time, it's one of the defining characteristics of our lives. As for your human nature argument, homosexuality, as well as anal intercourse, has been documented in various species occuring in nature. Homosexuals have existed before Islam, before Christianity and the Bible, before organized religion too, as a matter of fact.

4. What are the roles in the house? In a normal marriage, there are roles for both the male and the female, what about in gay marriage?

By your definition of a "normal" marriage, the "roles" that you talk about are mere constructs of society made to benefit the ruling classes alone and seldom represent the individual wants/needs. We have already changed most of that (for example, we no longer believe that God is okay with selling your daughter to slavery).

5. What can 2 woman do together in bed without any "toys"?

Honestly, I do not think discussing this will further the discussion any. If you really want to find out, search some videos on the internet.

6. God forbade it, and god knows more about us than we know about ourselves, and god will only tell us to do something which is best for us.

"God" only forbade it in three out of all of the thousands of religions that have existed since man.

7. Intercourse would extremely hurt for the back passage for a recieving male

Then don't do it!

I fail to see how this statement would either promote or reject support for homosexuality. Do you really think heterosexual intercourse doesn't hurt women?

« on: August 02, 2016, 05:13:12 AM »
Yup. And when the Christians stopped doing that look at what happened. Adultery is ok and permissible, a man having sex with an other man is OK, Gays get baptized and married in churches, drinking and getting drunk is now something that most Christians do even though Paul forbid it,  and way more! And the funny thing is, Christianity is a LAWLESS religion! Also, how am I nervous in a debate?

Slippery slope fallacy.

« on: August 01, 2016, 07:32:16 PM »
Meaning of Osama Abdallah = Lion Slave/Servant of Allah ;)

Now you know why they built the sphinx

ZIYAD CHAT / Re: How come when i visit Ziyad Chat it's empty.
« on: August 01, 2016, 04:45:28 PM »
Why? & QuranSearchCom How come or why can't we edit our post for like editing the text... ?

Hahaha. Cut the guy some slack! He's the sole administrator of the site (Or so I think)

I agree though, I'm the only one chatting in Ziyad Chat with the username "Hey"

There was someone named "salaam14" and "salaam", was that you?

« on: August 01, 2016, 03:37:22 PM »
How come the Admin is the only one who gets to have an avatar, and we don't??

That's haram  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

« on: August 01, 2016, 12:10:16 PM »
it doesnt matter if Umar said that he was afraid that people would adandon the stoning of the adulterer, this is one dimentional thinking. Remember, Umar is a fallible human being who can make mistakes, and even if it was true that he said that, we cannot verify it for certainty because the hadith are the sayings of the sayings of the sayings of what the sahaba said.


Anyway, i do not reject all the hadith, but i certainly reject the hadith that stipulate laws that are not inside Allahs speech (the quran), this is what every follower of Allah's religion should do.

That's called cherry picking.

« on: August 01, 2016, 09:07:32 AM »
Dear brother
Thank you for your response. And as for your response saying that I'm trying to change God's religion. I wasn't trying to change it. It was only a doubt which I had.
Thank you

It's a tactic most religious people use when they're nervous and grounded in an online debate. "You're blaspheming the Lord!"

Feminism / Re: The rise of feminism! How dangerous is it?
« on: July 31, 2016, 05:46:05 PM »
Condemn feminism all you want, but just know that it is the reason your mommies can vote.

There is one for Prophets in general, I don't know if there is one that refers specifically to Mohammed

From the Wiki page:

"Muhammad spent the first five years of his life with his foster-mother Halima. Islamic tradition holds that during this period, God sent two angels who opened his chest, took out the heart, and removed a blood-clot from it. It was then washed with Zamzam water. In Islamic tradition, this incident signifies the idea that God purified his prophet and protected him from sin"

Source: Al Mubarakpuri, Safi ur Rahman (2002). Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar). Darussalam. p. 74. ISBN 9960-899-55-1

« on: July 31, 2016, 03:52:03 PM »
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter whether the majority of Muslims believe in the death penalty or not. This is appeal to authority or the bandwagon fallacy.

The relevant thing is whether the original sources of Islam, the Qur'an and Hadith can be used to prove the punishment. The Qur'an doesn't talk about it and even appear to be contradicting the punishment. Hadith literature, on the other hand, is from where the entire evidence for such a punishment comes from. It should be mentioned here, that while Qur'anic interpretation has comparatively less difference of opinion, Hadiths have a lot more debate on their interpretations.

One likely reason earlier Muslim generations did not question the law as much as today's generation does, is because of the difference in their environment. In those times the other major religion Christianity enforced the punishment so Muslims are likely to not have much misgiving about it. An indication of this is seen when past Muslims and even present-day Muslims still use the presence of this punishment in the Bible as evidence of this being a divine law for Islam too. For critical Muslims, such evidence is hugely problematic.

In any case, many arguments have been made against the evidence in support of this punishment which has made it equivocal and uncertain for a lot of Muslims.

Excellent post. I should add that, I am close to several, well educated Muslims who have told me that if there is a contradiction with Qur'an and the hadith, the word of the Qur'an shall override the word of the hadith. In other words, the Qur'an is of a greater authority (And, it's not like Christians and the Bible, Muslims acknowledge that hadith can be contradictory or even outright false).

« on: July 31, 2016, 02:28:20 PM »
Osama Abdullah is unfortunately trying to liberalize Islam, and it is not working out well for him. The general consensus established amongst the Muslim communities of the world is that apostates should be put to death, by stoning. Iran follows this, so does Saudi Arabia.

I've started a new thread over in the "other religions" section

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