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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Charlie Hebdo Attack
« on: January 08, 2015, 12:56:53 PM »
the problem with the terrorists; they should have aim for the military bases not civilian place/hangouts if they believe what they do is fully justified due to the destruction of the brothers/sisters in middles east carried out by west.

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She said: ‘O Allah’s Messenger! Indeed Allah says in His book,

although revelations were sent down throughout 23 years span. it is clear that those revelations although sent down progressively had already been referred as book.

It is He Who has sent down the book (the Qur'an) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) with truth, confirming what came before it. And He sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)(3:3)

The revelation of this book (the Qur'an) is from Allah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.  (39:1)


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Rise and set of the sun is what we humans view daily. the content of hadith talks about viewing the rising of sun from the west.
Even in Bible the language used is rise and set.
“The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.” (Ecclesiastes 1:5)

In the hadith it is said if permission is not given after such daily prostration from the sun, then the sun would not appear anymore to rise from the east . It will rise from west.
What affects the sun at that time will affect the rotation of earth thus the appearance of sun rising from west.

It is mentioned in Quran 17:44  that of how celestial bodies pray/prostrate or in the case of hadith how does sun goes to underneath throne to prostrate  is a knowledge unknown for human.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: I dont understand this ??
« on: December 26, 2014, 07:28:26 AM »
Father, (some use Mother), Son are terms used by Israelites simply to indicate their beloved relationship to God. The Jews believed in One God, however there are some depending on which era,, that have disbeleived and took Ezra as Son of God. And Paul a Jew repeating the same disbelieve and took Jesus as Son of God.
Obviously the two Son of God figures must have done miracles comparable to God. So it was easy for the disgraced one to convince them to disbelieve.
 
The same happened to early generations of Adam (a.s) descendants, they end up from believing to disbelieving One God. Either they forgot or they no longer fear God for God do not grant what they wish, thus they seek thru other means (idols) for miracles. Again the disgraced one must have answered their needs thus convincing them to disbelieve.

Why did God agree to the term requested by fallen disgraced one in the past. Certainly, it can only be one reason which is to be a test for mankind.

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If one wish to interpret it as all orbiting in same orbit surrounding earth. Then when hadith of eclipse was mentioned, wouldn't that mean sun and moon collided.

So for those who still interpret the verse as all orbiting in one orbit may actually refers to them orbiting the center of the Milky Way as a whole.

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the content of Shamoun's essay is about confusion that Gabriel a.s description being equal to Creator. If we look at what he wrote, basically he just took words that is similar to words found in titles/attributes of the Creator. An try to locate those words being used to other entity, so that later other entity (e.g Gabriel a.s, Muhammad s.aw) can be regarded as equal to God/Creator.

Obviously, such way of reading a scripture may be the exact same root of confusion that exist in the past for Paul and his Roman Christians followers when reading Nasorean scriptures. Upon stumbling terms like God's Word, God's Spirit, My Spirit, We, Our.. they came into conclusion that God have partners and the partners are equal in union.
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if we look at passages about Gabriel in verse 81:19-20 (using Hilali Khan translation). (for other translations visit http://beta.quran.com/en/81/19-20)
 ...a most honourable messenger (Gabril), owner of power (and high rank) with (Allah) Lord of the Throne..

Gabriel was just a messenger, and he is near to God meaning Gabriel directly take instruction from Lord of the Throne.
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quoted from W. Montgomery Watt & M.V. McDonald (history of Al-Tabari).
About story of prophet for the first time seeing a vision in between heaven and earth  presuming it was God;

if we look at what did the prophet witness, a throne between heaven and earth. But revelations from the story of night ascension and hadith describes throne of God as above earth and heaven and encompass everything just to show that God's might surpasses those who posses throne whether in earth or those who poses throne in heaven.
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About life giver. The Creator has granted the ability to Gabriel@Holy Spirit to give life. That is the reason why Jesus (a.s) was strengthened by Gabriel@Holy Spirit inside his body. Imagine Jesus was without the aid of Gabriel/Holy Spirit,  would Jesus be able to do miracles like bringing the dead to life.

Certainly Jesus could not do it, as he was just a human. From baby he needs to feed and sleep to grow into adulthood. And he needs to be saved and be brought to heaven for fear he would continue to grow old or might be killed by enemies.

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just did some searches of Google and found out:
160 points listed above is copied from shia sources. And the 1s, first point is "Allah tells lie". The shia author made such statement and quote a Deobandi source to proof it.

So after searching the Deobandi source,  the statement made by the Deobandi author

“It is the belief of all Muslim researchers, the saints and scholars that telling a lie is within the jurisdiction of the abilities of Allah (swt), your doubts have been clarified, no one is of the belief of its occurrence. This is a complex issue and not something to be said in front of common masses.”

basically the Deobandi author is having trouble to answer the question given to him, as to answer it, one needs to think like a Creator. Which is not possible.
Thus the author is using the logic that for the Creator has the right to do anything towards its creation. And say the Creator has the ability to do so but such thing will never happen.


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the law of taking captive of wars as belongings of a master have existed in covenants prior to Islam.

modern practise for many slaves/captive of wars, they are kept in slavery camps.
while the practise in the past as described in Quran+Hadith was that slaves/captive of wars would be part of household members.

They need to be given clothes, food as well. Thus such lawful sexual relation is tied by status of a master and his female slave.

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Isaiah 53 tells about the final prophet of Israelite, the Messiah after death (due to end of prolonged period of life), he will bear sin/guilt for many (Israelites) and intercedes transgressing Jews; not bear sin of world or new covenant as interpreted by Roman Christian authors. As Messiah was sent for the Israelites.
Nowhere can you find anything about waking up after death and stay on earth for forty days before lifted to heaven in Isaiah 53:8. The reason the Messiah needed to be taken away from land of living is that if he continues to stay on earth, the law of life on earth will apply onto Messiah. From baby the Messiah grows until adulthood. If he stays on earth, he will become old age and die due to old age or die due to being killed by enemies.

As Messiah vanish from land of Israel lifted to heaven, 53:9 mentioned about the Messiah's grave among the wicked and transgressing Jews. But if the Messiah grave is known to wicked Jews, then whose body was inside the grave? (Quran mentioned about 'the person' being crucified)

God tested His servant by bruising the Messiah in 53:10 as the transgressing Jews will take away his life for sin/guilt. But God made it clear in later part of verse that the servant will prolong his days. God did not say "He shall prolong his revived days". Also notice that it says prolong which means there will be an end to the Messiah life. Thus the Messiah is not eternal living creature. And how will the life be prolong? Certainly the Messiah will be raised and lifted to heaven by God and be given prolong life in heaven until the need to return for his second coming as commanded by God.

At the end of the Messiah prolonged life. The Messiah will certainly die. And like all other prophets in the afterlife, depending on their covenant of different location and era, the prophets will intercede for their followers's to overcome the follower sins by mediating and seeking more reward from God for their follower; this was described what will happen to Messiah and his followers as described in Isaiah 53:12

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author of John obviously believed in the doctrine of either divine subordinationism of the son , or docrtrine of equal trinitism of the son. As can be seen in first verse John 1:1 as written by the author. So if the author believed in the son being equal in authority to Yhwh, thus it is no issue for the author to say Jesus will be the one to send the advocate , and not Yhwh. As both have equal authority (from the point of view of author).

there are many translation for Isaiah 29:12
 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

verse 29:10-12 talks about vision even the most learned people will not be able to read the book, and the unlearned will obviously not able to read it.

this particular book will be able to be understood in later times, and the Israelites shall rejoice upon the time when it reaches them.
Problem with Israelite, is that will they accept the decree of God of Israel in the book

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And to warn those who say, "Allah has taken a son." They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie. (Al-Kahfi: 4-5)

Every child is born without sin, pure and its up to the parents/environment surrounding the child that raise them with their present religion that they have now . So is in the case of Sham Shamoun and other  Christians and Jews, & what cause them to be  mystified by their religion is the creation of state of Israel and destruction of countries surrounding Israel. Indeed this is the work of Dajjal and also whispers from Satans ensuring falsehood remains in their heart.

From my personal opinion, the return of Jews to the land is still part of the shaming from God towards them, as they witness Muslims giving praise and glorify God at the Holy House of God. Will they still be blind and deaf; not able to decipher what is actually happening. It is matter of time as prophecies continue to unfold.



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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Pharaoh Body embalmed?
« on: November 17, 2014, 09:55:38 PM »
http://beta.quran.com/10/90-93

And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims." (10:90)

So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless (10:92)

his body was drowned in sea, and for his body to be sign for future generation; his body shall remain intact and not harm by animals of the sea or bacteria decomposing body. till the period body got extracted to land.

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this is a simple practice of coup d'etat except that its not led by officers within existing govt. Self appoint as ruler supported by own created army claiming to be new ruler toppling existing govt.

When one appoint self as ruler, he needs to show justice in administering nation, having allegiance from majority of districts under his ruling so citizens can easily accept him.
Such is not the case with ISIS.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Daniel 9:24-27
« on: November 01, 2014, 06:21:39 AM »
your christian showed you those verse (Daniel 9:24-27) and said look bible prophesied about jesus death.

but you can tell him that hebrew root karath/cut off doesnt necessarily means kill. It can some times refer to cutting ties from being part of Children of Israel.

so if we look at the verse again , the anointed one will be cut off from Israel and will exist no longer from Israel

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which makes perfect sense where he will not be preaching covenant to Israel anymore after the decreed period of 70 'seven years' is reached and he will exist no longer for israel(vanish/disapear).

if the Christians still insists to use literal meaning of kill, then the Messiah was killed and vanished. Again, it has nothing to do with waking up after 3 days and stay on earth for 40 days before vanishing himself.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Daniel 9:24-27
« on: October 31, 2014, 08:50:27 PM »
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can be seen here verse 25 "From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble"


After period of 69 'seven years'.  the anointed ruler will have to teach covenant for 1 'seven years' .

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As can be seen here verse 26" After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

So we dont see any mentioning about after death, that the anointed shall wake up 3 days later and give teachings for another 7 years before ascending to heaven.
Nor we see anything mentioned about anointed having equal status to God.
**Christians believe after resurrection the annotated was only 40 days on earth by the way.

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can be seen here verse 25 "From the emergence of the word to return and to build Jerusalem until the anointment of the prince will be seven septets, and fir sixty-two septets it will be rebuilt, street and moat but in troubled times."

some jews believe about two annointed rulers and not one annointed being mentioned in Daniel 9.

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As can be seen here verse 26" Then, after the sixty-two septets , the anointed one will be cut off and will exist no longer; the people of the prince will come and will destroy the city and the Sanctuary; but his end will be (to be swept away as) in a flood. Then, until the end of the war, desolation is decreed.27 He will also forge a strong covenant with the great ones, for one septet, but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meal offerings and the mute abominations will be upon soaring heights, until extermination as decreed will pour down upon the mute (abomination)..

the translation from  annointed one will be cut off;for some jews refer to Agrippa, the last Jewish King.

ALSO, in Daniel 9:21-23 we can see Gabriel/Holy Spirit transmitting words of God to Daniel, to understand what is being ordained/decreed by God.

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