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I am uncertain if this topic is covered on this website.

But Dt 32:8 in LUX and DSS attributes the rule of the 70 (see: table of nations) post Babel nations to "The sons of God."

While the Masoretic (KJV , NIV) has replaced the Word God with Israel.

Now at this point Jacob/Israel hadn't even been born. Also he had 12 sons, not 70. If you wish to claim it refers to the sons of the sons of Jacob, you'd be mistaken as either it refers to the 12 or all Israelites, not just his generation.

Sons of Adam, daughter of Aaron applied to wife of Zechariah (sa), are terms that easily prove this.

So what does a Christian say when confronted with this?

Nothing that can erase the obvious fraud of the Masoretes, that much is for certain, and since it is the source of the JOB and NIV translation it's not a Tanakh specific issue.

All I have to say is the 2 oldest of the 3 texts say "sons/angels of God" while only the Hebrew Tanakh, from 1,000AD or so, changed God to Israel.

Imagine one copy of the Qur'an attributing something to Allah appeared attributing said something to Mohammed (saw), Jews and Christians would be all over it.

Fortunately we don't have their problems with integrity of scripture, for which, al-HumdAllah!!!

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I meant to say Homiles of Clement of Rome in Greek and Syriac when discussing the book from 411 AD in Syriac that is older than Peshitta by 50 years, etc.

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This topic is the first thing Allah brought to my attention before taking Shahada, from the Mt. 24:23 prophecy, "DO NOT believe them (false prophets in his name claiming to have seen him in the wilderness or in secret, i.e. a desert road on the way to Damascus with no witnesses or the claimed revelations Paul speaks of to assert authority) with the admission of lying, "If through my falsehoods God's glory abounds...why am I being judged a sinner", the advocating, in the absence of "weak brothers" who observe the Divine food laws actually stated near verbatim by the Qur'an and James/Yakov and verbally agreed to by Paul in Acts,  eating meat sacrificed to idols, because, "An idol is nothing" and only if the brothers from James are present should one then refrain, i.e. don't get caught...

His 'shout outs to "Kinsman" of Herod the tetrarch, including his foster brother, and a member of the royal house one "Herodion", his allegiance to Rome is not hard to spot as right before he is apparently set up for assassination some 400 soldiers are alleged to have rescued him where he becomes a Jew hating collaborater and vents his frustrations about his rejection by "all those who are in Asia" and his last remaining friend Luke, maybe.

Luke it seems has no issue making Paul seem like a liar who was also subservient to the Apostles, and ineligible to be one, with Peter being chosen "By God" to be Apostle to the Gentiles.

All this makes more sense when the Greek and Syriac, Latin too, circa 4th century in Greek, 411 AD in Syriac (older than oldest Peshitta by 50 years), is read.

A true "Apocryphon" that state's itself it is to be kept secret in the Greek version, the oldest and best, which rivals Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus in age, it parodies Paul as Simon Magus, is considered "Ebionitic" in content by scholars as such, and it is clear why, as Paul was despised by them, and they were of the belief "This day I have begotten thee" was stated (in agreement with ancient MSS of Luke) at his baptism making him figuratively the "son" of God, quoting David from Psalms.

The fact that they resembled Islam has not gone unnoticed by scholars, is gaining momentum, especially since they rejected the claims of Paul and reification of Isa (as), and Paul is either a nobody to Muslims or despised, and I could see the few believing Nazara mentioned in the Qur'an, and Ahadith by number I think, could easily have been descended from.

Even the Epistles of James, 2 Peter and Jude, as well as Revelation (teaching of Balaam and idol meat, false apostles routed out, 12 Apostles in New Jerusalem, Tarsus equaling 666 in gematria) have polemics against Paul and James is the most obvious but 2 Peter calling his writing hard to understand could be translated "nonsensical" and the fact that they lead people astray more logical for beloved "brother (read: layman, not a messenger of God or Apostle of Isa (as)) Paul."

The funniest thing is the most famous quote of Paul, rendered impossible if "Satan can not oppose Satan" as a divided Kingdom can't stand, is that "No wonder, even Satan appears as an angel of light." is actually about the 12 Apostles of Christ, called "False Apostles", "Workers of Satan."

1 Corinthians 8, Paul approves of eating idol meat, and is a polemic against the decree of the Jerusalem Council where Paul agrees to not teach this.

Revelation 2:14 Teaching itself condemned by Isa (as), proof it is IMPOSSIBLE for his teachings to be from God or Isa (as).

This is proof positive that Paul is the prophecied, arrived "false prophet" and confirmation he is the false apostle of Revelation, what could refute such clear proof?

2 Corinthians 11 is after, at 9-10 where he discusses the Jerusalem saints, feels the need to defend his ministry at 10, at 11 they have become (about their good works) "Boasters, false apostles, deceitful workers disguised as Apostles of Christ.  And no wonder! Even Satan..."

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In case anyone is still interested I have refined my knowledge of the situation of the 3 letter name of Isa, stated by Iranaeus to be the case with the Hebrew name of "Jesus."

Salvation or Soter in Greek is stated to be a synonym for the Hebrew word for salvation, which is easily confirmed to be "Yesha" a transliteration of the 3 letters Yod-Shin-Ayin, and this is because vowels were introduced, without we have Sin and there is literally no confirming how it was pronounced.

Further Iranaeus state's it was made an acronym for "Salvation, Heaven, earth, in Hebrew, which are Ysa, Samayin, Ara/Adam as depending on the sense.

Either way we end up with  Ysa, and as Ysrael, Elohym  Yshmael, all employ the Tod to make the soft i sound in "Issa."

Iranaeus give the words "Sura Usser" for Heaven and earth, a mystery no on has solved but I can guess he got some bad info from someone familiar with the derogatory acronym Jesu, in Aramaic a name specific to Jesus even in Talmud and Toledot Yeshu.

Adding a Vav to Isa seems to be the work of someone ignorant of this insult and it was incorporated into the Syriac language early on, maybe from Iranaeus.

Today Yesua is used, I'm going to guess they figured out Yeshu was a curse on their god-man, but for the English language the damage is permanent, even the trend to re Judaize Jesus as Yeshua is erroneous, but you will never tell that crowd anything because they are "real" Christians using the "true" name...

Of Yeshua bar Nun.  Not Ysa, for, if all they did was read the book Against Heresies book 2 chapter 24, they'd have the knowledge that 3 letters spelled the Hebrew name Ysa, 100 years after his death, and if Iranaeus had only used the proper words for Heaven and earth, he'd have had the RIGHT letter name, but he does know the definition is Salvation, and we know that is Ysa, which also serves as the PROPER acronym he was trying to make.

It is far greater to wonder how, when nobody was using the provable as accurate term Ysa anymore, the actual name of "Yesu", that is, Isa (as),not even in Arabia by Arab Christians, did the Messenger of Allah (saw) ressurect what otherwise would have been lost, was...

Until an angel named Gabriel paid a visit to settle this affair as the Will of Allah decided necessary...

And the rest....

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: David Wood's new video....
« on: September 22, 2017, 02:01:03 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

David Wood's point is this:

1-  Jesus on the cross prayed to GOD to forgive them for they do not know what they're doing.

2-  Muhammad on his death bed cursed the Jews and Christians for their corruptions.

3-  Nabeel Qureshi's last words were "GOD is the GOD of Love".


The Problem with David's statement is that he has falsified Jesus with this logic, because Jesus made blanket statement at all rich people because some made fun of him:


The Rich, Hell Fire, Camel, and Needle's Eye:

Matthew 19:24
In fact, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into God’s kingdom.”

Mark 10:25
In fact, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into God’s kingdom.”

Luke 18:25
In fact, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into God’s kingdom.”



Why were the rich cursed by Jesus?

Because they were making fun of him.  This is why ALL RICH PEOPLE are going to Hell:

James 2
1 My friends, if you have faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, you won’t treat some people better than others. 
2 Suppose a rich person wearing fancy clothes and a gold ring comes to one of your meetings. And suppose a poor person dressed in worn-out clothes also comes. 
3 You must not give the best seat to the one in fancy clothes and tell the one who is poor to stand at the side or sit on the floor. 
4 That is the same as saying that some people are better than others, and you would be acting like a crooked judge.
5 My dear friends, pay attention. God has given a lot of faith to the poor people in this world. He has also promised them a share in his kingdom that he will give to everyone who loves him. 
6 You mistreat the poor. But isn’t it the rich who boss you around and drag you off to court? 
7 Aren’t they the ones who make fun of your Lord?


This garbage attitude about the rich proves that the Bible is corrupt!  There is NOTHING EVIL about being wealthy.  And the poor are far worse than the rich.  Their neighborhoods are notoriously filled with:

1-  High crimes of theft, rape, gangs and thugs.
2-  Envy and Coveting.
3-  Horrible schools and discipline!
4-  Blasphemous people who curse GOD and are full of doubts due to their poverty.

You judge a human based on his/her person and the situation that he/she is in.  Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran also gives a break for those who are younger than 40, because they have not yet reached the age of Wisdom:

www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/good_manners.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/david_wood_rebuttals.htm


I was going to add this topic soon to Trinity Crucified article.  But it'll be added today Insha'Allah:

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm




Thou Shalt not COVET!

The very fact that the Bible is all over the DO NOT COVET others' properties law, clearly proves that the New Testament is full of garbage.  The victims of coveting are the richer ones, and the ones coveting are the poorer ones:

Exodus 20:17
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Psalm 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

Psalm 119:36
Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness.

Proverbs 21:26
He coveteth greedily all the day long: but the righteous giveth and spareth not.

Jeremiah 22:17
17 But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Salaam brother, Al-humdAllah.

Indeed the Bible is corrupt, but have you read the Hadith where the Prophet (saw) state's, "Luxury is not for the righteous."?

It is true that being wealthy isn't a sin, and James (as) was called "Ha Zaddik, the Righteous One" and was founder of the sect called "The Ebionites" or Evionim in Hebrew,  a common designation of a certain faction of the Qumran SAW sect, the Nosrei ha Brit,  (keepers of the Covenant) and Zaddikim, the Righteous Ones, and Robert Eisenman, DSS scholar believes James (as) was the leader of said community.

When Paul speaks of the Jerusalem Council, where Acts state's that 4 Commands were given, no eating meat sacrifice to idols, strangled or with blood, in agreement with Qur'an,  this is stated by James (as) btw, Paul does not mention it and actually says that avoiding idol meat is for "weak brothers(James faction)." He declares it acceptable to eat despite giving his word not to, and says James (as) and the 3 pillars, James, John and Simon, approved of his Gospel and said he only need, "Remember the Poor", James sect.

This is a lie if Luke is to be believed as by the time Luke wrote Paul had already declared this  it is odd that Luke makes Paul out to be a liar as he denies reaching that the Law of Moses is void to James face and takes an oath of some sort for purification to prove he still walks in "The Way" (Sunna), another term popular in the Dead Sea Scrolls who had a 12/3/1 hierarchy like Issa, the 3 "Pillars" James, John and Simon, and the 12 Apostles (pbut), which obviously included at least 2 of the 3 Pillars, as James (as) was the successor to Issa (as) and over even Simon Peter (as), when Matthias replaces Judas this hierarchy is preserved, James (as) was a pillar also so the total amount of leaders is 12 + James, 12/3/1.

So James letter isn't anti rich persons, just the ones who persecute the Evionim, and are sinners, which in his day probably was most wealthy people.

He doesn't condemn Queen Helen, who provided famine relief and was the mother of King I dated who was a convert to Judaism, or all people who are wealthy.

He condemns Paul, actually, who is the topic of discussion throughout, believed he should be paid for teaching his fake Gospel and makes a plea that it's only fair.

The short Epistle of James is ONE of the best, refuting the claim Paul makes with Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, as justifying him by faith alone.

He retorts that faith was only the cause of his deeds/works, as obviously what he did was a deed, he was willing to DO, not just BELIEVE, in submitting to the will of Allah, if it meant the loss of his son, and acted on his faith, therefore James points out, without using his name but in DSS style leaving the name of who is being discussed out, which leads me to believe it genuine...

"Oh VAIN man (Paul worries his work was "in vain" several times, a clue regarding the person the letter is refuting)..."

"Do you need to be told, faith, without works is barren(or dead)?"

The Jews call Paul "Acher (other)" in the Talmud, but we may have a lost in translation pun here as barren is, in Hebrew, "Acher-ah."

Paul was a kinsman of the Herodians, and proud of it, he calls a relative of the Tetrarch his kinsman, a brother actually, and was in all likelihood a mole working for them and Rome.

James is simply speaking about these people who are rich harassing his disciples who are willingly poor, and not condemning every person of wealth, as was not Abraham extraordinarily wealthy after his military campaigns?

That would make the Righteous One a hypocrite, as he exalted the blessed with wealth Abraham, and that right there proves he wasn't condemning wealth, but evil caused by wealth or want of wealth.

I am not trying to say you are wrong about anything, the Bible is corrupt, but in this instance because of ideas lost in translation.

I am a fan of Yaqub the Zaddik, just wanted to clarify what I have deduced from his epistle, because it's proof that James (as) was against Paul's false teachings about justification and salvation, the seriously absurd doctrine of a self proclaimed "Apostle to the nations/pagans" called today by a meaningless word "Gentiles", which divides the world into 2 people, Jews, and not Jews.

His claim is absurd, Acts says God chose Simon Peter for this position, but not the only person allowed to teach them as all the Apostles are told by Issa(as) to make disciples "of all nations..."

Besides, 12 men for a minority of the population vs 1 for the rest of the world, is absurd, and a blatant lie.

No Apostle ever called Paul AN Apostle, never mind to the "Nations." He was self appointed and illegitimate,  and in the end state's everyone in Asia has turned from him and his only friend is Luke, "This you KNOW, all those who are in Asia have turned away from me."



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www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/001/0010754.htm

This is the chapter where he gives the proof, and the actual Hebrew letters, proving  "Isa" is correct as a translation and almost identical to "YSha" where as "Jesus" (sa) is a corrupt bowlderization of the Syriac/Aramaic "Yesu" (sa), or "Yesha", meaning "salvation", and not, as some love to believe, "Savior" or worse,  "Yah saves."

It's rather easy to see how YShA becomes Issa in Arabic, but who can explain why it became Jesus without admitting that it isn't his name in reality, that a Semitic language like Arabic is more genuine and a correct "translation" for the Hebrew/Aramaic YShA proven by Iranaeus to be his original name?

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As-salaamu alaykum brothers and sisters. Hope you are all doing well.

Can somebody please explain to me this verse?

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.

JazakAllah Khair.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Notice the following verses that speak about the GLORY OF GOD COMING FROM THE EAST (Arabia).  Notice also that it begins with "After this...", which is a new context altogether:

Revelation 7
144,000 Sealed
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.


Now, we all know that the Glorious Quran calls Prophet Muhammad THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS:

[033:040]  Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things.

And Revelation 7 here says this Seal of GOD will come from the East.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1616.msg6412.html#msg6412




The White Horse Prophecy:

Also, Prophet Muhammad riding the White Horse Prophecy in the book of Revelation:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2028.msg8760#msg8760



Notice also in Revelation 7 the mention of 144,000 saved Jews.  The Glorious Quran Says that A FEW OF THEM are good:

www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jews.htm


Now let's contrast Revelation 14 with all of this:

Revelation 14 (CEV)
The Lamb and His 144,000 Followers
1 I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion! With him were a hundred forty-four thousand, who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 Then I heard a sound from heaven that was like a roaring flood or loud thunder or even like the music of harps.

3 And a new song (The Quran?  IT CAN'T BE JESUS because the book of Revelation already came after him!!) was being sung in front of God’s throne and in front of the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn that song

(Yes, Muslims always say that the Arabic Quran is VERY COMPLEX!)


except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been rescued from the earth.



4 All of these are pure virgins, and they follow the Lamb wherever he leads. They have been rescued to be presented to God and the Lamb as the most precious people on earth.
5 They never tell lies, and they are innocent.

The Messages of the Three Angels
6 I saw another angel. This one was flying across the sky and had the eternal good news (Quran?) to announce to the people of every race, tribe, language, and nation on earth.

7 The angel shouted, “Worship and honor God! The time has come for him to judge everyone. Kneel down before the one who created heaven and earth, the oceans, and every stream.”

(THIS STYLE AND LANGUAGE IS FAR CLOSER TO ISLAM THAN to the false trinity's language)

8 A second angel followed and said, “The great city of Babylon has fallen! (AMERICA, THE WEST AND THE ONE-EYED DAJJAL SYSTEM?) This is the city that made all nations drunk and immoral. Now God is angry, and Babylon has fallen.”

9 Finally, a third angel came and shouted:

Here is what will happen if you worship the beast and the idol and have the mark of the beast on your hand or forehead

(Are not America and the West planning on having physical chips on their subjects?  AND DOES NOT ISLAM SAY that KAFIR (INFIDEL) will be their mark?).

10 You will have to drink the wine that God gives to everyone who makes him angry. You will feel his mighty anger, and you will be tortured with fire and burning sulfur, while the holy angels and the Lamb look on.
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It sounds like a Prophecy about Islam to me!  The New Gospel that will come from the EAST??  It is non other than the Glorious Quran.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah

Regarding the "angel" from the east...

As Christians believe the "Angel of Smyrna " refers to Polycarp, since Angel means, literally, "Messenger" in Hebrew (Malak) and Greek, it is an excellent eye you have, I am jealous I didn't find that myself, it could be said without any means of refuting the statement, that it is referring to the Prophet (saw).

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 www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/001/0010754.htm

This is the chapter where he gives the proof, and the actual Hebrew letters, proving  "Isa" is correct as a translation and almost identical to "YSha" where as "Jesus" (sa) is a corrupt bowlderization of the Syriac/Aramaic "Yesu" (sa), or "Yesha", meaning "salvation", and not, as some love to believe, "Savior" or worse,  "Yah saves."

It's rather easy to see how YShA becomes Issa in Arabic, but who can explain why it became Jesus without admitting that it isn't his name in reality, that a Semitic language like Arabic is more genuine and a correct "translation" for the Hebrew/Aramaic Yahya, proven by Iranaeus to be his original name?

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It has just been learned by me while researching Iranaeus statement that "Jesus" was almost 50, which can't be refuted, he said it clearly in "Against Heresies" book 2.22.

As fascinating as that is, he claims 2 or 3 chapters later that "Jesus", in Hebrew, consists of "2 1/2 letters."

Those letters are supplied in the footnotes as Yod, Sod, (or Shin, I am uncertain) and Aleph, giving us, "Ysa" or YShA, which is used in the Dead Sea Scrolls fragment, "Sons of Salvation", a translation of Yesha, although I am unlearned in Hebrew, I am pretty sure it is Shin because YShA is 3 (2 1/2?) letters, and Iranaeus and every scholar said/says Jesus means "Soter" or Saviour in Greek/English, though it's "salvation", in Hebrew, not saviour.

"My eyes have seen salvation", Yesha, is what is said at the birth of Isa (as), in the Bible.

Granted Iranaeus isn't a great source for reliability, I do not believe he would be ignorant enough to NOT know, at the very least, the Hebrew name of "Jesus."

Also it's supplied by the translator as Iranaeus doesn't actually give the letters, so it is testimony from a recent scholar who translated it for the Ante Nicene Fathers series, vol. 1.

I am uncertain if anyone has ever used this in refutation of the claim that "Isa" is an erroneous rendering of the truly erroneous "Jesus", but it is proof that even Catholic scholars know it was a 3 letter name, and they say it is Ysa or YShA, and like many words rendered in Arabic the Hebrew H is dropped (Ishmael is Ismail, to give an example, or the English, modern Hebrew Shem being Sem).

Yod is render an I in English so transliterate YShA from Hebrew to English is either Isha or YShA, which is in Arabic rendered Isa, pronounced "Issa" or "Eesa."(as)

So next time anyone tells you that Issa (as) is improper or derived from Esau (ridiculous as it is people make the claim), show them Iranaeus "Against Heresies ", book 2, chapter 24 or 25, where it says that in Hebrew the true name of Jesus (as) is YShA, a the footnote which supplies the actual Hebrew letters.

I will post a link I just got excited as I feel like finding this in a second century Church father's writings is exciting, although it might not seem like a big deal some people actually believe that "Jesus" (as) is the proper name for Issa, and that Yeshua was his Hebrew name, Joshua in English as the old Testament attests with Joshua bar Nun (as), Yeshua, which IS NOT the name he was given either, Yesu is the Aramaic/Syriac form, but according to Catholic scholars and Iranaeus in Hebrew it is 2 1/2 letters (3 letters), and Yod, Shin, Aleph, are the letters, YShA.

I will be back with a link to the actual chapter in A.H. be Iranaeus.

Most importantly is that it is not Islam who uses an illegitimate name for our Messiah, Catholic scholars confirm this, with Iranaeus statement, as are people who use Yeshua the old Testament Prophet and warrior, Yeshua bar Nun' s Hebrew-Aramaic name, are just as incorrect, he was NOT named the Hebrew equivalent of Joshua and had, like Yahya, a name given no one before him.

Hilarious side note, Christian's like to call Yahya "John", and say "How can the Qur'an say no one had this name before Johann the Immerser when you have John Hyrcanus?"

Because his name isn't Yohann or John, in Greek it's Ioannes because they wanted to esoterically have his name similar to the god Oannes, because both are related to water, and the Catholic Church still wears the fish hat to resemble the half fish, half godman who came from the water to teach the Phoenicians and whoever else. Freud wrote about this, noted the same thing I noticed, I found out after Googling "Ioanne Oannes", it's in one of his books.

But as the Qur'an says no one else had this name, so does the New Testament doesn't, making Christians look very foolish for not noticing it.

Luke 1:60 (NRSV) "But his mother said, 'No, he is to be called John.' 61 They said to her, none of your relatives have this name."

I do believe, with testimony from Tatian's Diatessaron, that relatives is meant to mean all the Israelites, as 1:62 says, "There is no man of your kindred that is called by this name."

Both are equivalent to what the Qur'an says, but because the name Yahya isn't used in the Greek translation they don't realize what they are criticizing is in their own Gospel of Luke, think it refers to her immediately family because of how it's translated, and that the Aramaic(Mandaic) name used by the Mandaeans, whose priests are called Nazarenes, and their major Prophet John the Baptist is called "Yahya", and that this sect is as old as Christianity, nay, older if you go back to Yahya, but attested to in the writings of Epiphanius, and in the Greek Homilies of Clement, (4th century MS., 1st century book about Simon Peter (as) that even has Simon Magus succeed to the head of Yahya's Nazarenes,  which makes a great explanation for their beliefs in a Demiurge, that isn't God, but a lesser being that created the world, which is exactly what Simon Magus state's in Homilies and Recognitions of Clement, whose MSS. are 4th century and the Syriac actually is the oldest dated MSS. in the world at 411 AD.

Regardless, the Ginza Rabba, holy book of the Mandaeans, who use Aramaic liturgically, calls him Yahya, so it's not an Arabic word, and as usual corrects the errors of the Bible, which makes Christians blame the Qur'an out of a lack of knowledge.

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Chapter XLVI.

"Why are their strifes, tumults, divisions and schisms? Have we not all ONE GOD and one Messiah?"

Chapter L. Blessed are we beloved, if we keep the Commandments of God...; so through love our sins will be forgiven."

LII. "The Lord, brethren, stand in need of NOTHING!; He desires nothing.... except confession BE MADE TO HIM."

Now we can see how this was a stumbling block for Rome as yet another Monotheistic epistle but if confession is made to God, not priests, it's a loss for the RmChurch.

1 Clement is a type of epistle-tafsir of mostly the Old Testament, quoting only James and Peter of the NT while his words are compared to Paul's but not quotes.

Overall Clement ssems to care little for Paul, is probably cleaning up his mess, it seems to me to be the case. The epistle is to Corinthians.

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Chapter XXXIII

"..., let us therefore accede to HIS WILL."

XXXIV

"Let us SUBMIT OURSELVES TO HIS WILL..."

"Angels...administer HIS WILL."

",...even Jesus Christ, the High Priest of all our offerings."

Clement was a Muslim! No Trinitarian would literally and directly call Jesus (sa) a "High Priest" unless it were today maybe but I don't know anyone who can explain how "God the Son", or "Trinity" can be it's own High Priest.

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IMO, "Sun rising from the west" refers to the same people who claim to be Christians but are evil mentioned in another Hadith, the West rising to power.

It's a parable, not a literal statement. Issa (sa) or no one else ever "move(d) mountains "

Mohammed (saw) predicted 70,00 sons of (not Jacob) Isaac, Edom (Ashkenazi) Jacob (Sepharvaim), the Young Turks/Donmeh-Sabbateans, taking Constantinople by saying "No god but God..."

Donmeh false coverts are Sabbatai Zvi's followers whoven masse falsley converted in about 1666.

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The second you stated "Mary is not the biological mother" you spoke in error.

What makes you think Miriam didn't have a baby grow in her womb with half her biology, mitochondrial dna?

Assumption so as to fail at criticizing the Qur'an?

It has been attempted for 1400 years, nobody has succeeded in what they attempt to do anytime a non truth is spoken of the Qur'a.

Simply thinking (rather, not thinking, forgive my harsh words) Miriam isn't the biological mother isn't grounded in reason. Your premise is faulty entirely based on the fact that Isaa (sa) IS NOT the biological "son of God" even in Christianity. God isn't biological.

Miriam and Jesus (pbut) ARE.

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the son of Mary

Notice the word " son " is used in the Koran but not in the biological sense since Mary was not the biological mother of Jesus, so

 the Koran is not against the word "son" since the gospel refers to Jesus as the Son of God but not in the biological sense

The Qur'an absolutely denies Allah has taken or begotten "a son" and Miriam (pbuh) IS with a certainty the biological mother of Issa (sa).

Where from you get the notion a woman who gives birth could be not the biological mother, unless you are talking artificial insemination that infant (pbuh) had a biological mother named Miriam (pbuh).

This is how bad people have to misinterpret the Qur'an to deby it's Truth, "son" doesn't mean son in the Qur'an re: Miriam...

But DOES in the Gospel and also se: "son of God."

Do you not see the fallacy, the double standard? If Issa (sa) is the son of man he is a man, it's a common idiom applied to humans like Ezekiel for one.

Now you want to claim Qur'an is ok with using son in a not literal sense with Miriam (pbuh) whov LITERALLY gave birth.

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I have always been fascinated by a very remark in 1 Clement which has been found with other extra epistles in an ancient complete New Testament, I believe it's called Codex Alexandrinus and is extant in Syriac as well as the Canon of the Ethiopian Church who preserved 1 Enoch and Jubilees, probably the 2 most important Apocryphal books ever. 1 Clement is believed by most scholars to be the genuine work of Clement of Rome, chosen successor to Simon Cepha, "Peter." And dated to late first century.

Forthwith I present it and to the best of my knowledge nobody has yet suggested it may be about Islam but after you read it you'll wonder why  (unless I am wrong and it's been suggested).

Chapter XXV

Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the ressurection] which takes place in Eastern lands, that is, IN ARABIA and the countries round about it. There is a certain bird which is called a Phoenix. This is the only one of it's kind, and lives ***500*** years. And when the time of it's dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense and myrrh, other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies. But as the flesh decays a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the dead bird, brings forth feathers. Then when it has aquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of it's parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, the the city called Heliopolis. And, in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the alter of the sun, and, having done this, hastens back to it's former abode. The priests then inspect the register of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the 500th year was completed.

John Nikiou, Monophysite priest of the 1st or early 2nd century A.H. wrote about his dissapointment in his fellow Copts in Egypt for supporting the new Ummah against Emporer Heraclius, as did the Yahudi of Persia in a pseudepigraphal Apocalypse attributed to Talmud heavyweight Shimon bar Yohai, "Secrets of Simeon ben Yohai", and Syrian Monk John bar Penkaye wrote in favor of the Divine Mission of Prophet Mohammed (saw) who he saw as an invincible force because Allah sent him to, among other things I am sure, protect "Our Monastic station."

You could say (I am saying) " A Wonderful Sign of the Ressurection...in ARABIA, and the COUNTRIES ROUND ABOUT." factually DID "take place."

Approximately 500 years later almost exactly to the point unless you know exactly the date of composition of 1 Clement and match it to the proper date re: Islam's Advent through Mohammed (saw) from Allah. You can't really deny this if you choose not to believe that it speaks of Mohammed (saw) and Islam.

Places, date, sign which takes place in  Arabia and around it. Of course it's a parable, Issa taught Simon Cepha who taught Clement what he was taught.

I heard that Yahudi went to Arabia because they expected a Prophet, and that half the Rabbis of Medina converted. There were probably Nazarene and Ebionites as Epiphanius Panarion reports their existence in the 4th or 5th century and probably they became Muslims.

"Accepted the register (s) of the date and found that it returned exactly as the 500th year."

Ibn Salam, Allah be pleased with him, was the wisest Yahudi in Medina I'm told and matched Tanakh prophecy to Mohammed (saw).

Secrets of Simeon ben Yohai attributed the "Rider on the camel" as the Christians do Issa (p), as do we with the donkey, to Prophet Mohammed (saw).

And he (saw) is. If only they knew.

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