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Title: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 15, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
What is the whole controversy about in Pakistan about This boy named mashal khan,any Pakistanis here ???
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: AhmadFarooq on April 15, 2017, 01:56:21 PM
News link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1326729

Incidents like these are why Pakistani Muslims from a particular background as compared to Muslims of other nationalities, are more likely to criticise the alleged unforgivable nature of blasphemy.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: adilriaz123 on April 15, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
Foolish and ignorant Pakistanis like these are parcially why pakistan image has distorted. They should have left it to the sharia court, this way we would know if he did or not. Now these idiots condemned themselves for hell for killing a muslim without confirming of his crime.

As a pakistani muslim, i do not see fools such as these who kill without justice as real muslims. I feel they have no knowledge of islam and may allah swt give them hadiyah. Ameen.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: adilriaz123 on April 15, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQnB3H5lD4

Above link talks about he was wrongfully accused of blasphemy and murdered. The most important point I see is that, there was absolutely No EVIDENCE that was presented to show that he commit blasphemy, even then we remember how Muhammad pbuh treated Abd-Allah Ibn Ubay even though he was a clear hypocrite. But this isn't relevant, truth I see here is that this guy is shaheed, unless there was clear evidence of apostasy. But their should be more investigation to see if there was alterior motives to why the college mob killed him. Or investigation on who ever incited this event to happen.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: AhmadFarooq on April 16, 2017, 01:29:48 AM
I remember reading once somewhere that none of the people killed in Pakistan for alleged blasphemy, had even been convicted by a court. All of those killings happen to be extra-judicial murders.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 16, 2017, 03:51:41 AM
According to reports from some Pakistani media agencies he used to question some things about Islam and it was a dorm room debate which led to this incident and I also saw it on Facebook there was an abuse directed to prophet Muhammad and he was framed using Photoshop whole incident looks like he was framed and he used to call himself sufi follower seriously these Pakistanis do nothing but to degrade the image of Islam I think these blasphemy laws should be removed people used to abuse prophet Muhammad later on they became Muslim blasphemy laws are inhuman
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: AhmadFarooq on April 16, 2017, 07:28:34 AM
Whether Pakistani blasphemy laws are right or wrong, practically on-the-ground realities show that they don't have much effect. As I mentioned earlier, from what I know, all blasphemy accused never got convicted by a court. So the law itself never even got invoked. The real issue is embedded much deeper in the society with Pakistani Muslims willing to blindly follow and believe anything and everything just because someone claimed something to be "Islamic".
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: adilriaz123 on April 16, 2017, 05:16:07 PM
I believe that the Law regarding blashphemy needs to be jusdged based on intentions. MOST IMPORTANTLY,  what in the world is wrong with some of these brothers, many of them are not to much knowledgable on islam. Then what makes them think they can carry out the justice. Also i wonder if this was in Kyber, if it is. Then actually it makes more sense.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: AhmadFarooq on April 17, 2017, 04:06:04 AM
"I believe that the Law regarding blashphemy needs to be jusdged based on intentions."

They probably are, but apparently, no one gets to even reach the point to be judged by the law. But even in the event that the law did get a chance to come into action, it would in all likelihood have to give some degree of acceptance to witness testimonies. And unfortunately, there would be more than a few "Muslims" who would consider their "religious obligation" to lie, take false oaths and commit perjury in order to punish someone accused of blasphemy.

"... what in the world is wrong with some of these brothers, many of them are not to much knowledgable on islam."

The same thing that appears to be wrong with most Muslims all over the world. Most Muslims are brought up with the beliefs that Islam is perfect, Islam is the answer to everything, that there cannot be anything wrong with Islam and many many more of these absolutistic and simplistic attitudes. All this, without ever telling them what Islam actually is.

Absolutely no education in critical reasoning and no exposure to the fact of multiple interpretations for most subjects related to Islam. No encouragement of questioning the religion due to a fear from the older generation of having the younger generation possibly becoming distant from the religion.

Such an environment makes these Muslims extremely vulnerable and they believe anything and everything which is claimed to be "Islamic" or "Sharia'". The difference regarding which point such Muslims are obsessive or unreasonable about appears to be regional which likely represents a cultural dependence. Muslims from the Asian sub-continent happen to have damaging views regarding blasphemy, while apparently Muslims from Africa countries have damaging views regarding other subjects like female circumcision.

"Also i wonder if this was in Kyber..."

Yes, it was in the Afghanistan bordering Northern Pakistani province Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. But why does that make "more sense"?
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 17, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
Exactly ^^^
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 17, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
We Muslims just get carried away by emotions that is why there are some people in .mY native village who support ISIS because they just can not tolerate other's criticizing we need to accept criticism and clear the doubts just like we do here but moulanas(some) do not do any such things instead the radicalize youths,Muslims have not yet reformed and they desperately need to !!!
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: adilriaz123 on April 17, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
The reason why i said it makes more sense uf ut was in kyber. Is for the Fact that area is incredibly dangerous, most people cannot travel that area without a gun or protection from the local  groups that control that area. Many people from there are very extreme in religion. Also i heard that after the muslim brotherhood defeated the soviets they settled in the area of kyber. Pakistan has great difficulty putting that area under it's laws. This also explains why there was no quick police response. Also i am quite surprised that there even is a University in Kyber to begin with.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 17, 2017, 10:05:40 PM
I'm sorry I didn't know about the local situations there but as a Muslim I wanted Pakistan to develop and prosper but these things will not allow that I seriously pity Pak :(
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 17, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
And moreover Pakistani government call themselves gov of an Islamic republic still they get involved in all kinds of corruption seriously it is heartbreaking
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 17, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
Here in India we have to live to the mercy of majority Hindus and now a days they are even demanding to ban loudspeakers in mosques and people are being killed for not saying hail Lord ram but still we do not surrender to extremism
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Mohamed Saif on April 18, 2017, 07:09:30 AM
Assalamun alaikum dear brothers

You all are not alone. I'm also facing the same pain. He in Sri Lanka majority of the Buddhist monks give hate speeches here. They do not like Muslims. They are trying to ban halal food and stuff. So what we can do is only to pray and ask dua.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Syedsamad on April 18, 2017, 09:01:28 AM
Yeah bro we need to be united at all cost BTW what is the population of Muslims in srilanka by percentage ?
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Mohamed Saif on April 18, 2017, 12:49:20 PM
about 9.7% brother
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: AhmadFarooq on April 19, 2017, 02:28:54 AM
- "We Muslims just get carried away by emotions that is why there are some people in .mY native village who support ISIS ... Muslims have not yet reformed and they desperately need to !!!"

From a sociological point of view, one of the most significant issues that has restricted Muslim progress in the past one century has been the non-acceptance of the wrongs done to them by Western powers. As long as, an honest understanding and recognition of past resentment has not been made, effected societies are unable to move forward. Societies continue to exist in a mess of contradiction. There is one, usually disenfranchised, group that cannot get over the injustice and decide to do something. The usual method of obtaining their version of "justice" happens to involve violent means. The other group, usually having access to more opportunities and education find it easier to either ignore those injustices or see better more peaceful ways of obtaining justice. In addition, this group for a variety of reasons restricts the workings of the violent group. These two contradictory views in the same society lead to an inevitable violent confrontation, which harms no other people more than the society itself.

Apparently, a partial reason (from a sociological point of view) of why "Muslim" extremists end up fighting so fervently with other Muslims from their own societies instead of the root of their anger i.e. Western powers.

On one hand, I completely accept the right of Muslims to their anger and frustration. It is one thing to have your people's children blown away by foreign powers; but the fact of utter callousness and unregretful attitude to these innocent deaths and the continued audacity to keep the status quo (such as the unashamed American support to Israel), are what make the situation much worse.
But on the other hand, Muslims should understand one of the lessons from God’s holy books. When the Jews were humiliated, taken slaves by the Babylonian king and became the target of much hardship, God instead of criticising their captors criticised the Jews themselves. That they broke the covenant, that their misfortune was the fault of their own hands etc. Whatever the external circumstances might be, at the end of the day, the fault and the burden of responsibility lies squarely on the shoulder of Muslims, themselves and no one else.

- “Is for the Fact that [Khyber] area is incredibly dangerous, most people cannot travel that area without a gun or protection from the local  groups that control that area.”

While this is what most foreigners are likely to believe, it is not very accurate. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) is one of the four provinces of Pakistan. In the North-West, it used to have a very porous border with Afghanistan. Insurgents often used to travel between the two countries from these areas and because of mountainous terrain those crossings are difficult to control. The insurgents, especially belonging to TTP who precede Daesh but parallel its ideologies, were the primary source of the lawlessness. Things have settled down to quite an extent now, due to a large-scale military operation there.

- “Many people from there are very extreme in religion.”

Many people from all over Pakistan are pretty “extreme in religion”. While KP people are likely to be stricter in their following of religious tenets, they are not especially extremist, and even if they were, KP has suffered more than any other Pakistani province from the extremist insurgency. They have suffered enough loss of life from insurgent activities to have changed their minds.

- “Also i heard that after the muslim brotherhood defeated the soviets they settled in the area of kyber.”

Many different Muslim groups fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan. After the war, a lot of them went back while some stayed but mostly in Afghanistan.

- “Pakistan has great difficulty putting that area under it's laws.”

The main problematic areas were places called Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). These areas although in the same location are technically and officially not part of Khyber. These places, until the arrival of TTP in the area, used to be run by local people. Because of the centuries-old local laws, customs and traditions of the tribal areas, Pakistan governments had until recently never really tried to control them. After the military operation is over, those places are likely to go back under the governance of the local people.

- “This also explains why there was no quick police response. Also i am quite surprised that there even is a University in Kyber to begin with.”

These events develop very quickly, Usually, no one has any idea how dangerous is the situation, until it is too late. Apparently, although the Police were able to save one other blasphemy accused person, they were faced by a mob of “thousands”; there wasn’t much the Police could have done.

The university is located at a different location from those troubled areas. KP is an entire province, most of it is peaceful. And there are many, many universities in that province. Among all the events of blasphemy that I can recall, this is the only one which happened in this province. More of such events have occurred in Punjab province which is the richest, most populous, and most developed area of the country. These unfortunate events appear to have a direct relationship with the population of the area, higher the population, higher the likelihood of such instantaneous mobs.
Title: Re: Mashal khan
Post by: Albarra on April 26, 2017, 12:57:09 AM
As-salaamu alaikum brothers,

Actually, the top Muslim cleric mufti  and Prime Minister condemned Mashal Khan's murder, saying that it's violated against Islamic Justice. Also, some investigators said that there is no evidence that he committed blasphemy.

Question: Why did mob murder Mashal Khan instead of taking to the Islamic court? I guess they don't follow Islamic law correctly.


Nevertheless, the Islamic police arrested dozens of suspects for killing Khan.


However, this incident is not very common because at least 65 people have been murdered after being acused of blasphemy since 1990!!! Yet this incident is unusual, but it doesn't happen everyday.

Peace,

Albarra (Riyadh, KSA)