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« Last post by QuranSearchCom on July 20, 2021, 01:49:37 AM »
Descendants can be metaphoric here since Prophet Abraham is called our father, and satan's followers are called his seeds:

So Noah is our father.  Tafsir ibn Kathir is wrong, because no flood ever covered the entire earth, and the Glorious Quran does not talk about the doom of all nations via the flood.  It only talked about the doomed people of Noah via the flood, and the livestock that Noah and the few with him were commanded to take with them in his little ship/ark.

It remains in the unseen and unknown as to how many Prophets and Messengers exactly came from the bloodline of Noah, and how many were metaphoric from other nations, peace be upon all of Prophets and Messengers of Allah Almighty.  This nobody knows and is only known to Allah Almighty.  But what is known is that Allah Almighty made Prophet Noah the cornerstone of what Allah Almighty called one of the Glorious Quran's GREATEST Miracles:

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on July 19, 2021, 05:02:28 PM »
Sorry for the long suspension of this conversation but I am back.

The people of Noah's doom was a time-mark for a Divine Purpose only known to Allah Almighty.  Their doom was to happen so that other Prophets and people were to emerge tall among all of the nations.

Also, seed ذريته of Noah here includes the Prophets that will come after him from the future generations:

‏6:84 ووهبنا له اسحاق ويعقوب كلا هدينا ونوحا هدينا من قبل ومن ذريته داوود وسليمان وايوب ويوسف وموسى وهارون وكذلك نجزي المحسنين

[006:084]  We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
The Muslims are the seed of Noah:

‏6:133 وربك الغني ذو الرحمة ان يشا يذهبكم ويستخلف من بعدكم مايشاء كما انشاكم من ذرية قوم اخرين

[006:133]  Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people.

Are you saying that all the Prophets that came after Noah as well as us Muslims are the metaphorical descendants of Noah? You said Noah's flood was a time mark of a Divine Purpose so that other Prophets from different nations will emerge after him, which makes me think that they are metaphorical descendants of Noah since those prophets cannot be literal descendants because they came from other nations besides Noah's. And, as you said, Q 6:84 says that the seed of Noah are those Prophets that will emerge after him. Again, this makes me think that by "descendants", the Quran meant descendants metaphorically, and not literally.

However, if I misunderstood you and you meant all these Prophets and us Muslims are literal descendants of Noah, then is everyone on Earth currently a descendant of Noah or not? Currently, people convert to Islam and if they were not descendants of Noah before they cannot automatically become a literal descendant of Noah after converting. Or by Muslims, did the Quran mean the Arabs (who became Muslim first) are the descendants of Noah?

Tafsir ibn Kathir says this about this topic, " '(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors.)' All people descended from the offspring of Nuh, peace be upon him.'' There is some hadith that tries to explain this, "Sam (Sam, Ham, and Yafith, apparently the sons of Noah) was the father of the Arabs, Ham was the father of the Ethiopians and Yafith was the father of the Romans.''

What do you think about the hadith and tafsir mentioned above?

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Almost all pagans are pantheists
« Last post by Emre_1974tr on July 16, 2021, 05:54:18 PM »
Almost all pagans are pantheists.

Pagans who worship idols or humans are aware that the things they worship are not gods. But in their perverted pantheistic philosophy, they see what they worship as a reflection, a manifestation, a part of God. Thus, they fall into the trap of the devil. They think they are monotheists, but they are actually polytheists.

The fact that the pharaoh sees himself as a Lord is also the result of this pantheist philosophy. He thought of himself as the reflection, that is, the manifestation of God. Like all pantheists, he worshiped himself and the universe.

The Holy Qur'an clearly explains these facts. At the moment, the only real holy book we have is the Qur'an. On the other hand, the elites hiding the books like the Torah and gave the Fake Torah and false Bibles to the people(hadith books).
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

And from the man's piercing sperm is the gender of man and woman determined declares the Glorious Quran:

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
2021 1443 in Hijri calendar

2022 1444
2023 1445
2024 1446

Holy Quran

14:43 They will approach with their heads bowed, and their eyes will not blink, and their hearts will be void.

14:44 Andwarn the people of the Day when the retribution will come to them, and those who have been wicked will say: "Our Lord, delay this for us until a short time, and we will heed your call and follow the messengers!" Did you not swear before this that you would last forever?

14:45 Andyou resided in the dwellings of those who had wronged themselves, and it was made clear to you what We did to them; and We had put forth the examples for you.

14:46 Andthey schemed their scheming, and their scheming is known to God; and their scheming was enough to make the mountains cease to exist.
Asalam aleykum everyone

I've researched this topic quite a bit and have found very informative refutations; however, they're in Arabic so not everyone will be able to understand them.

The first refutation can be found here:

It basically explains how different all the narrations of the hadith are, and that it is most likely there was a mistake in transmission or a misunderstanding.
It claims that the prophet PBUH actually meant that if women did not have these fluids then how else could a child resemble her. An addition to this by me is that even if there was no mistake, it is very clear that the prophet PBUH was not referring to the ejaculated fluid by women, since in that case what if a woman does not ejaculate during intercourse? Surely people also knew that a child was not formed outside of the womb, yet ejaculated fluid has to be outside in order to be "ejaculation"

This next link shows how narrators could have made mistakes and highlights what is told about the narrators in the chains of these hadiths.

The second refutation can be found in the next link here:

It basically shows that the um sulayim hadith has a different meaning and that the child resembles the woman in the fact they both have a reproductive system that also includes a fluid due to arousal. This is also shown in a different narration of this hadith also in the link ( النساء شقائق الرجال). It also explains how this is extremely different from what the Greeks said about these fluids. It also emphasizes the point that these women are the wives of the prophet PBUH so it is very unlikely that they did not know about these fluids. It is also very likely that this hadith is after the hadith of the jew that asked about resemblance when the prophet PBUH explained the yellow water of women which is the follicular fluid surrounding the ovum, and that all Muslims would have known about this. Therefore, it is almost impossible for the prophet PBUH's wives to not also know about this. It further states that it is unlikely the true conversation included the part of the water in women since it would be very disrespectful of a woman let alone the prophet PBUH's wives to ask about such a thing publicly.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH would also have know what colour ejaculated fluid of a woman is since he PBUH had married a lot in his life and would have known it is whitish. In contrast to the yellow water hadith in which he PBUH talks about the follicular fluid. So Umm Sulaiym(RA)'s objection could not have been concerning the fact women have this fluid, rather it is about how a woman feels towards a man. This is explained in detail in the link.


All prophets including Muhammad showed miracles, I showed this in my Turkish article.

And again, all the prophets were able to show miracles only when God wanted them. Every time a miracle was asked from them, no positive answer was given. Like the prophet Muhammad, they said, "We cannot perform miracles on our own." Many times, requests for miracles were denied:

Holy Quran 14:11 Their messengers said: "We are indeed human beings like you, but God will bestow His grace upon whom He pleases from His servants. And it is not up to us to bring you proof except with the permission of God. And in God the believers should place their trust"

13:38 AndWe have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and offspring. It was not for a messenger to come with any sign except with the permission of God; for each period there is a Book.

40:78 And We have sent messengers prior to you. Some of them We have told to you, and some We did not tell to you. And it was not given to any messenger that he should bring a sign except with the permission of God. So, when the judgment of God is issued, the matter is decided with the truth, and the followers of falsehood will be lost.

11:32 They said: "O Noah, you have argued with us, and continued arguing with us, so bring us what you promise us if you are of the truthful ones."

11:33 He said: "It is God who will bring it to you if He wishes; you will not have any escape."

11:34 "And my advice will not benefit you if I wanted to advise you and God wanted that you should go astray. He is your Lord, and to Him you will return."
Islam will forever remain the staunch enemy of the church who believes that the struggle of the cross against the crescent is still relevant, for her the danger is always present, as we can see from the words of British scholar specializing in Islam: For centuries, Islam has been the great enemy of Christendom, because Christendom was not in direct contact with any other organized state comparable in power to Muslims.

The challenge to Islamic dogma has lasted for fourteen hundred years and will never cease. What do you expect the Muslim religion has the real gift of irritating the Christian church especially with the reassuring confidence in the written testimonies that Muslims have received in the revelation of the Qur'an. Because we must not be mistaken, beyond the recurring quarrels between Christians and Muslims on such or such a theme, the real fight is aimed at our affirmation in the divine aspect of Islamic revelation and it is in this sense that a Christian cleric had honestly testified that "Islam offers a virility and a security which no longer exist in Christianity"

Giving an origin to Islam in order to demonstrate that it is only a revival of old Jewish and Christian customs, I find that quite simply fascinating, especially since it is Christian religious defenders of a systematic Christian humanism who claim it loud and clear.

The church with its Catholic Institutes and Research Centers tries to launch a whole armada of pseudo-specialist priests or crooked priests with the aim of dissimulation, other than that of teaching the truth more objectively but with the aim being to demonstrate that the 'Islam is only a revival of old Jewish and Christian customs, I find that quite simply fascinating, especially since it is Christian religious who claim it because mistrust would be in order.

These different religious of all tendencies refuse to see the evidence that makes Christianity a belief of transition between strict Judaism and pagan culture, without forgetting that Christianity resulting from Judaism has generated Christianized sects whose each partition tries to justify human actions and choices totally opposed to the original teachings of the ancient Hebrew writings. However, it should also be noted the disturbing absence of written testimonies of events supposed to have taken place and the origins of the various texts of the Gospels also remain very controversial this of course throws a legitimate doubt whereas the official version of these Gospels does not been validated more than three hundred years after their supposed writing. What is ridiculous, however, is being able to draw conclusions from a few extracts.

I ask myself more and more the following questions:

-How do these people of the Church (Abbot and Missionary Priests) take a deep interest in Islam when, on their own dogma, they ignore almost everything?

-What gives these Christian clerics authority to speak about Islam?

Most certainly the great fear of having understood that Islam is the pinnacle of the revelation which abolishes all that is previous, and in the situations of fear, even of anguish, which followed, the role of media has not always been very positive.

-When will some Christian religious hypercritics stop spouting such trivialities, fariboles which amount to an attack on the most elementary freedom, of belief?

This kind of work that surfs the distortions and lies about Islam through the ages has not been limited to a small number of scholars and clergy. But they are part of the popular culture of the whole church.

If the church thinks through this kind of work to make an effort to modernize the common reading of the religious, I will say once again that this kind of small elitist causes have created doubts about the origin of Islam, instead to study this religion with the tools of historical and theological analysis without seeing this belief with pink glasses of Western legend which shows that one aspect of false Christian representations of Islam

For a very long time, Muslims were content to accept what Christians said about themselves, although they saw that there were many contradictions and inconsistencies in the writings and in the official historiography of Jesus Christ. came to realize the Judaism which had been lost. The only essential difference: is Jesus God. He became so for Christians 300 years after his death at the request of Emperor Constantine. Christianity was born out of dissent within the Jewish community. It is not an invention of the Romans who, moreover, fought it for a long time. Islam on the contrary has nothing to do with Judaism, nor with the Christian sect: it is a pure divine product!

Today, most Muslims would likely agree that the majority of the distortions about Islam come from crooked clerics and the media, whether in newspapers, magazines or on television, and there is a problem of representative ness and nature of sources.
What haven't we heard on the subject?

That Allah is an ancient pagan god?
That Islam is not the product of divine revelation?
That Mohamed (SAWS) is not a prophet?
That Mohammed (SAWS) never had the Qur'an in his hands?
That the Qur'an is the work of Waraqa Ibn Nawfal, who is sometimes called Jewish Rabbi, sometimes Christian priest or even an Ebionite (especially in the sources of the fascosphere)?
That Allah is an ancient pagan god?
That the systematic questioning of Islam as a source of violence is easily admitted
That Islam, a legacy of a Judeo-Nazarene heretical sect that never existed, except perhaps in the minds of some zealous preachers, and is not a historical reality.

Indeed, there is no evidence of the existence of Nazarene heretics, neither in Syria nor in Arabia. The notion of the Judeo-Nazarene masks the will to the exclusion of the divine revelation of Islam.

Why did these sacred Judeo-Nazarenes need another religion and why despite the supposed presence of Christianity and Judaism in Arabia, this region did not become Christian or Jewish, it would have been easier for them?

These speeches do not pass anymore!!!!!!

In terms of the number of people affected by such information, the mass media certainly have a more widespread impact on the Western view of Islam.

The fairest response of Muslims to Christians is contained in the Qur'an which is intended to be a collection of answers to questions and reminders, precisely concerning the First Books ("The old leaves: the leaves of Abraham and Moses" ) and the Gospels. Is it not said (to the prophet of Islam) in the Quran 88: 21-22:

“Well, call back! You are just a reminder; you have no authority over them!

(Remind them of the blessings of God and the signs of His uniqueness, for you are only responsible for reminding them of all this. You have no authority over them.) ”.

Finally, to maintain that the prophet Islam is the editor of the Qur'an is unparalleled ineptitude, at this level and if Christianity is a continuation (refused by the Jews) of the Jewish religion, Islam n 'has no connection and especially it is not because there are names (Abraham, Jesus, Mary…) common between the Bible and the Qur'an that they are identical people. Just because there are some common concepts between these two beliefs does not mean that they are identical concepts. The Judeo-Christian belief and the Islamic belief are quite simply incompatible, and therefore can in no way go hand in hand.

This is the paradox of Christianity, wanting to demonstrate what does not exist to those (Muslims) who are convinced of the divine existence of their belief; you almost wonder which ones are the most believers !!!!!!
Christianity with ambitious thinkers in theological debates and ethno-religious divides manages to discover the supposed Judeo-Nazarene origin of Islam, however this same Christianity completely ignores a period of 18 Years in the biography of Jesus Christ and any explanation of this period is therefore made only of hypotheses because the writings of Christianity say nothing of these hidden years, or dark years, I must admit that the opinions of the Church on itself are not explanations just far-fetched quibbles to get out of a contradiction, not without reason, what is at stake is the primacy of dogma. Relics, parades, pilgrimages, bleeding statues, Lourdes, Fatima and miraculous healings?

This is sensational!!!!!!!


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