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An updated revision from the Bible that Jesus is not God
« on: June 25, 2022, 05:07:30 PM »
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Christians believe that Jesus is god or son of God “equal to God” because of a few verses in the Bible that they misunderstood and I will explain them and prove that Jesus is neither God nor son of God.

•   John (8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Christians believe that when Jesus said “I am” in John (8:58), he meant the same “I am” that God used in Exodus (3:14). Therefore, Jesus is god.

•   Exodus (3:14) God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Please note that when God said “I am” in Exodus (3:14), He used in Greek “ho on”, but, when Jesus said in John (8:58) “I am”, he used in Greek “ego eimi”. Those are two different words, but those who translated the Bible from Greek to English translated it incorrectly.

If Jesus meant to say that (before Abraham was, I am “god”), why then he said in John (5:30) that “by myself, I can do nothing”? God said in the Bible that He is self-sufficient. When Jesus said that by himself he can do nothing meant that he is dependent on God. If Jesus depends on someone else, then he is not God. When Jesus said “before Abraham was, I am”, he simply meant to say that before God created Abraham, and before God placed mankind on earth, he was in the knowledge of God that he will be the Messiah “Prophet”.

•   John (5:30) By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Also, if Jesus meant to say that (before Abraham was, I am “god”), why then he said “The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father”? This clearly means that he is not god because he does not have any authority.
 
•   John (14:10) Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work

•   John (14:6) Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jesus said “I am the way and the truth…” Please note that every prophet that God sent to mankind from Adam, Noah, John, Zachariah, Moses, Joseph, etc. was also the way and the truth because all those prophets preached the message of God to mankind. Therefore, they were the way and truth.

Jesus said “No one comes to the Father except through me” which means “through his teaching” which is the Bible that God gave to him to preach to people. Christians assumed that it means “except through worshiping me” which is completely incorrect because Jesus clearly testified in the Bible that he is not God. He said “the Lord our God” which means his God too. Also, note that Jesus said “the Lord is one” which means that Jesus is not part of God i.e. trinity.

•   Mark (12:29) Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

When Jesus said “I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me”, he did not mean to say that he and the Father are one. “I am in the Father” means he is protected and supported by God, and “that the Father is in me” means that the love of God is in Jesus’ heart e.g. Jesus keeps thinking of how to please God.

Christians will disagree and say that John (10:30) says that Jesus and the Father are one. Therefore, Jesus is god.

•   John (10:30) I and my Father are one

But in next verses, when the Jews heard Jesus saying that he and the Father are one, they picked up stones to stone him because they told him you are claiming that you are god.

•   John (10:31) Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him

•   John (10:33) “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

In next verse, Jesus told the Jews, is not written in your own Scriptures that God said you all are gods. Jesus told Jew you all are gods, does this mean that Jews are gods? No, “gods” mean those who preach the commandments of God e.g. messengers of God.

•   John (10:34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I said you are gods'?

Then Jesus said in John (17:21 & 23) to his disciples Peter, Thomas, Judas, etc. that you all are in me just as I in the Father. Does this mean that these disciples are also gods? No. Therefore, when Jesus said “I and my Father are one” meant to say “one in the same purpose” which is to preach the commandments of God to mankind e.g. messenger of God, not “one in nature.” “One in the purpose” does not mean that Jesus is equal to God. “Purpose” means that both God and His servant Jesus have the same purpose which is to preach the commandments of God to mankind. 

•   John (17:21) that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

•   John (17:23) I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Christians also misunderstand the meaning of these two verses.

•   (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

•   (John 1:14) The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

“In the beginning was the Word” – the meaning of “Word” is the commandment of God.
“The Word became flesh” – means the commandment of God which is “be and it is” became flesh that is Jesus.

Well, the Bible is the Word of God. Does this mean that the Bible is god? No, it means that the Bible is the commandments of God.

In Quran, the angels told Mary that God gives you good news of a “WORD” from Him who is Jesus. The meaning of “WORD” is a commandment.
 
•   Quran (3:45) [And mention] when the angels said, O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].

Then Mary told the angels, how will I have a child when no man ever has sex with me? The angels replied, this is the commandment of God, when He wants anything, He only says to it “Be” and it is.

•   Quran (3:47) She said, “My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?” [The angel] said, “Such is Allah; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.

God is one God, and Jesus is a lord. The meaning of lord in the Bible for Jesus is a servant of God, prophet, messenger, teacher, sir, leader, mediator, and king. It doe not mean God.

•   Ephesians (1:3) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:”

•   1 Timothy (2:5-6) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Christians believe that God came to earth in the shape of a man “Jesus”, but God says He is not a man.

•   Hosea (11:9) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

•   Numbers (23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Christians misunderstand the meaning of “they worshipped Jesus” and assumed that he is god. Please note that the meaning of “let all the angels of God worship Him” is “let all angels of God accept him as a leader”. God also said in Quran that He instructed all angels to bow “prostrate” to Adam. This does not mean that Adam is god or equal to God. It just simply means that God wants all angels to accept Adam as a leader.
 
•   Hebrews (1:6) And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”

•   Quran (2:34) And [mention] when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees (Satan). He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.

Those who are in the boat “worshiped him” mean that they obeyed him and followed his teaching. Please note that they told him “you are son of God”, they did not tell him “you are god”.

•   Matthew (14:33) And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”

Some Christians believe that since they told him son of God, therefore he is equal to God “e.g. Trinity”. Well, the Bible also says that Adam, Ephraim, etc. are sons of God. Does this mean that Ephraim is equal to God? No, this is the same for Jesus. The meaning of son of God does not mean partner with God or little god or equal to God because God said in Isaiah (42:8) that He does not share His glory with anyone. “Son of God” means one who God loved and chose among people to preach His message to mankind because he is more sincere and dedicated to God than other mankind.

•   Jeremiah (31:20) Is not Ephraim my dear son, the child in whom I delight...

•   Luke (3:38) Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God.

This verse says “king of the Jews” which means leader. Then it says (the star comes to worship him) which means it comes to follow him.
 
•   Matthew (2:2) “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”

If the meaning of “worship me” above is Jesus is god, why did he say in this verse “the Father is greater than I”.
 
•   John (14:28) You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

And why did he say in this verse “My father… is greater than all”.

•   John (10:29) My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
 
And why did he say in this verse “…they belong to the Father who sent me”.

•   John (14:24) … These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

And why did he say in this verse “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent”.

•   John (17:3) Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

And why did he say in this verse “Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved by God to you”.

•   Acts (2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as you yourselves know,

And why did he tell people that he is nothing, not even good? God alone is “good”.

•   Luke (18:18-19) Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

Christians believe that when Jesus said that he is not good or a man approved by God or etc., he meant to humble himself like a human. Well, in this situation, Jesus misled mankind, and this is impossible. This is only the way how Christians think, and this is not from the Bible. There is not a single verse in the Bible that Jesus “himself” claimed explicitly that he is god. But in Quran, there are many verses where Allah clearly declared that He is God.

•   Quran (20:14) Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Please note that all Arabic-speaking people from all religions call God “Allah” including Christians. So, you should know that Christians who speak Arabic call God “Allah”. Allah is the translation of God.

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Re: An updated revision from the Bible that Jesus is not God
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2022, 02:32:46 AM »

Please note that when God said “I am” in Exodus (3:14), He used in Greek “ho on”, but, when Jesus said in John (8:58) “I am”, he used in Greek “ego eimi”. Those are two different words, but those who translated the Bible from Greek to English translated it incorrectly.

The correct meaning is of "I am":

Please note that the Greek translation of the Hebrew text in Exodus (3.14) is “Ego eimi ho On”. The Creator’s description of Himself is translated into Greek as (ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν Ego eimi ho on = I am the One Who IS). But in John 8.24, “...I am (he)! (ἐγώ εἰμι Ego eimi)” is the Greek translation of the Hebrew statement “I (am) he (אֲנִי֙ ה֔וּא Anee hoo)”. I found a video on Youtube that explains the meaning of “I am” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzheOdj0cFg

 

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