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71 72 73 sects
« on: October 08, 2017, 04:08:37 PM »
Assalamu alaikum

We all know the hadith of jews breakinf in 71 sects the christians in 72 and the muslims will break in to 73 sects.

So my question is what ar e the 71 sects of jews that existed at the time of muhammad saws similarly with the christiand

And what are the 73 sects of islam

Jazakallah khair

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Re: 71 72 73 sects
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 04:08:36 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

This is a lone ahaad hadith.  It is a doubtful one.  It was narrated by Muawiyah.  So it was probably fabricated by somebody during the civil war that the Muslims were in.

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Re: 71 72 73 sects
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 06:59:24 PM »
Its not an ahad hadith though br osama.

Dawud 4596: Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

Ibn maajah 3992: It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said:
“The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.

Ibn majah 3992: It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
‘The Children of Israel split into seventy-one sects, and my nation will split into seventy-two, all of which will be in Hell apart from one, which is the main body.”
حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عَمَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَمْرٍو، حَدَّثَنَا قَتَادَةُ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ افْتَرَقَتْ عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً وَإِنَّ أُمَّتِي سَتَفْتَرِقُ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً كُلُّهَا فِي النَّارِ إِلاَّ وَاحِدَةً وَهِيَ الْجَمَاعَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏




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Re: 71 72 73 sects
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 07:00:08 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

It is.  All of mentioned sources are not authentic, and the Hadith isn't even mentioned that much in them.  The very text of it sounds like a Bible's NT one, where it gives ridiculous absolute statements left and right:

1-  You don't know anything.
2-  Not whatsoever.
3-  Always.
4-  Not a single one.
etc...

This is one topic I am working on for this section:

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm


The language of this hadith sounds like the corrupt bible.  Just metaphorical junk and absolute statements that falsify themselves.  Like John the Baptist is even lesser than the least one in Heaven.  Seeing the ample metaphorical rubbish in the NT, that even give blanket statement about all rich people going to Hell, I say this hadith is false like the NT's junk:

The Jews were split into 71 groups, and the Christians into 72, but YOU MUSLIMS will split even into 73 groups.  Sounds like made up lies on the mouth of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  Like that false verse on the Noble Quran:

"Only sand fills mankind's eyes." 

This is not a Noble Verse and it is certainly outside the Glorious Quran.  But there are documented claims that it is a Noble Verse, which it is not.  It was thrown out as a forgery.  This kind of metaphorical language is not Islamic. You find it in the Bible.  Like for example:

"A Church leader or religious man makes judgment about ALL THINGS, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment."  1 Corinthians 2:15

Tell that crap to the believers who were raped at young age in their churches, or to those whose money was stolen from crooked church ministers and priests.  For more, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/bible_sinless_men.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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