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I need a good strong response to this
« on: May 23, 2015, 05:28:00 PM »
Assalam.alykam i need a response to.this.........

God is our loving Father. We pray to Him.. We also pray to His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, God the Son. . We can see from Scripture that Jesus Christ receives prayers. The Holy Bible shows us that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament, the God of Israel and of all the former prophets of Israel.. . Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was with God the Father from the very beginning before He created anything . The Word, who was with God at the beginning, became flesh, the Word Who was God became Jesus Christ. .
The Holy Bible tells us of Stephen who became the very first recorded martyr of the Apostolic Church. "And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit’" . As Stephen lay dying because of his bold preaching of Jesus Christ being God, Stephen called out not to God the Father but to Jesus Christ, God the Son, his Savior. Stephen had a relationship with both God the Father and with God the Son, the Word Who became Jesus Christ. Our Lord and Savior Jesus accepted worship from others. When Jesus Christ appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, "…they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him" .
Jesus Christ continuously stated in the Holy Bible that He, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Father are one in thought, attitude and purpose .One God. Since His resurrection, the glorified Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of God the Father.
Jesus Christ is God, as God the Father is God. The Holy Bible tells us that without Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, the veil between humans and God the Father would not have been lifted .Jesus Christs Holy Blood on the cross lifted that veil that separated The Father from His creation.
We must realize that even when we pray to God the Father, we are so doing by the authority of His Son, Jesus Christ. The Holy Bible says, "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him" .Peace.

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2015, 05:45:37 PM »
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Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was with God the Father from the very beginning before He created anything . The Word, who was with God at the beginning, became flesh, the Word Who was God became Jesus Christ. .

the story was found in Greek heretical book John 1:1, not in Jewish scripture Genesis 1:1. And John1 was among the 27 books never verified by Jesus himself. Only 300 years later, they gather hundreds of heretical Greek books and they assumed that Holy Spirit have guided them to choose 27 books as canon inspired true stories about Jesus. The non chosen books were either buried or burnt.

In Genesis 1:1 we can see Holy Spirit hovering over waters. Obviously, there is a limitation for Holy Spirit , for the Spirit cannot exist equally or together with the Creator on His throne. The Spirit may only hover over the created water, since creations are obviously below the Throne of God. The Holy spirit was hovering below the throne of God on massive amount of water.

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 09:09:01 AM »
The Roman gentile Christians interpret Genesis 1:1 as in the beginning there are elohim meaning plural Gods. As they glance through the passage they notice there are two entities mentioned the Creator and Holy spirit. So this makes their interpretation of plural Gods being spot on. So Genesis 1 have 2 Gods.

As they read further, they encounter verse saying "Let Us make human in Our image" which further increase their faith in plural gods.

But the following verse later refer God in singular manner , in "His image". This is the point where we see the Roman Christians interpret that such verse is indicating the "plural Gods are united in unity of oneness" and referred singularly.

Since their interpretation of Genesis 1 has touched on 2 Gods which is totally different as to how Children of Israel interpret their own scripture.
The Roman Christians needed another side story to complete the belief on 3 Gods. That is when John 1:1 slips in to complete the belief on plural gods being three.


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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2015, 12:03:12 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The Messiah Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, had to be "in according to Melchizedek" who was the Jews' Highest Priest, who "had no father and no mother" and "no beginning and no end".  This is what the Bible in the Old and New Testaments says.  Visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm

There is no trinity.  Trinity is a lie.  Melchizedek, Jesus, Iblis (before he became satan) and others are no more than powerful and mighty Beings that live near GOD Almighty and communicate directly with GOD Almighty.  Satan of course isn't near Allah Almighty anymore today.  Allah Almighty Gave and Gives certain Kitabs (Books) to certain Beings to enable them to possess certain powers:


The Books that enabled certain Powers:

1-  Christ for example was given a Kitab that allowed him to do limited Miracles including even limited Creation:

[005:110]  Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

2-  Solomon's assigned Jinn was given the Book that enabled him to do Miracles in a Blink of an Eye:

[027:040]  Said one (another Jinn) who had  knowledge of the Book: "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!" Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord!- to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! and if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Lord is Free of all Needs, Supreme in Honour !"

3-  The idol-gods were not given the Book to enable them to Create:

[035:040] Say: "Have ye seen (these) 'Partners' of yours whom ye call upon besides God? Show Me what it is they have created in the (wide) earth. Or have they a share in the heavens? Or have We given them a Book from which they (can derive) clear (evidence)?- Nay, the wrong-doers promise each other nothing but delusions.

Please visit:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_creating.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac2.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: I need a good strong response to this
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 05:45:08 PM »
Assalamu alaikum brother Osama, really nice to meet you after so many days!

Please no offense dear brother, but you don't believe in some hadiths of bukhari-muslim, also not in miraj, (I can't force you to do that, cuz I'm no muhaddith :P) then why do you believe in john 1:1 and Melchizedek??

I personally believe them to be satan's personal forgery. The authors weren't filled with any holy spirit, but 'evil spirit'. Satan played these tricks many times, he still plays them now.

Even if Melchizedek existed, how could he have no beginning?? Everything except Allah has a beginning.

Also, john 1:1 doesn't have to refer to Jesus. In the beginning was indeed a word, 'Be'. The word which maskes everything happen. This doesn't have to mean kalimatullah jesus.

Please take no offense.

Your brother in Islam,
Tahmeed
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2015, 08:08:01 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Tahmeed,

I apologize for not making myself clear, dear brother.  I don't believe that the things I mentioned from the Bible are Divine Truth.  They could be man-made forgeries.  But I was refuting the lie of trinity from the Bible itself.  I certainly don't take the Bible to be GOD Almighty's Divine Truth at all.  The only Book that is Truly GOD Almighty's Divine Truth is the Glorious Quran.  Every other book is mixed between Truth and falsehood.

Please visit the following link to see which parts of the Bible and Hadiths are closest to the Truth, and Why?

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

As to getting offended, feel free to speak your mind, dear brother :).  If I am wrong, then feel free to go all the way with me on why I am wrong, dear brother.  As a believer, I am the least of you.  As Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

"....   kind and humble to the believers ....  (The Noble Quran, 5:54)"

As a true believer and not just a mere Muslim, I have to be very humble to all Believers:

[049:014]  The Arabs said, "We are Mu'mens (believers)." Say, "You have not believed; what you should say is, `We are Muslims (submitters),' until belief is established in your hearts." If you obey GOD and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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