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Salam

I want to let everyone know that i will not be responding to mclinkins post. I had been writing a reply to mclinkins response since yesterday, i stayed about 4-5 hours writting up in the blog box. I completed up to point 3 and with added more bulletpoints, stayed up till 4am until i fell asleep. so this morning i left firefox as it is and left to work, when i came back i planned to complete it. But my damn damn damn mozilla had a error and closed down. When i reoppened mozilla, the blog page came up but EVERYSINGLE THING that i wrote in the text box has gone. It just bloody went away. Damn this compiuterrr. I am so freaking angryy i cant tell you how much. Allahu Rabiiiii

All the work that i done is gone away. I have not the patience of researching everything from scratch again, and sadly the thoughts i gave in it are no longer in my head as i wrote it down. so i will stop my replies to this topic. everybody that reads this, please make your own research and see the truth for yourselves. If any reader wants to ask me a question about a point or a part of mclinkins reply to my post, please message me or something and inshallah i will answer. Well thats that

salam alaykum

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Md Mobisher:

Asalamualaykum brother.  I have done some research about evolution, and with all the information i have gained evolution seems to be false. Although i do agree that there are bits and pieces of the theory that are true, like adaption and the gene pool increasing. So anyway, what do you say was the ancestor of humans. Am interested in your reply. :)

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It would of been easier for me to respond to you if you had arranged your arguments in order, and so our responses arent allover the place. But anyway lets deal with your points:

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Lets look at 71:13-14:

What is the matter with you, you hope not for reward. While He has created you in (different) stages.

Those who support evolutionary creation interpret the words successive stages as meaning "going through evolutionary stages." However, interpreting the Arabic word atwaran as evolutionary stages, which is no more than a personal opinion, is not unanimously accepted by all Islamic scholars.

Here, you mis-interpreted the verse. This Ayah is referring to the stages of embryonic development. i.e. first Nutfah, then 'Alaqah and then Mudghah, see 23:13,14 of the Quran.

Initially you were only valueless semen, and in a short period of time the Fashioner God
gave you the face of علقه embryo (fertilized egg) and after that made you in form of مضغه foetus then shaped you in the figure of man then clothed your body with the dress of existence blessed with soul, senses and movements. Similarly you improved one after another in many stages of foetus. Subsequently you acquired the complete face and your mother gave you birth. For a second time you carried on the ways of life in varied outward appearances and stages until the end of time. You had been always under the command of his lordship. You are constantly renovating by the God who provides you every time a new profile.

In Imam al-Tabari's commentary, Surah Nuh: 14 is translated as "In fact, he created you by stages," and interpreted this as meaning, "You were first in the form of a sperm, then He created you as a blood clot, then a small piece of flesh." (Imam at-Tabari, Tabari Commentary, vol. 6, p. 2631)

As we see here, Muslim Qur'anic scholars agree that the interpretation of Surah Nuh: 14 refers to the process involved in the development of the human being from the joining of a sperm and an egg. That the verse is to be interpreted in this way is clear from the principle of "interpreting Qur'anic verses in the light of other Qur'anic verses," because in other verses Allah explains the stages of creation as being those inside the mother's womb. That is why atwaran has to be translated in this way. It is not justified to use the word as support for the theory of evolution, which tries to tie the origins of man to another living species.

Also it maybe referring to the creation of Allah with his hands. Allah created Adam, then fasioned him, then left him for a while then breathed into him.

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(Quran 35:1) All praise is due to Allah , Creator of the heavens and the earth, who made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.

This Ayah does not even come close to hinting evolution never mind evidence for it. Its just absurd how you make these weird interpretations, and you come up with some delusional connections. Maybe if you stuck to the Usool-at-Tafsir and used authentic Islamic methodological processes you would not get caught up in this misdirection and Fitan.

Basically what it is saying is that Allah can increase in creation whatever He wills. It is general but also specifically referring to the subject of the Angels. Lets look at the classical scholar Ibn Kathirs Tafseer:

"two or three or four. means, among them are some who have two wings, some have three and some who have four. Some have more than that, as stated in the Hadith mentioning that the Messenger of Allah saw Jibrael, peace be upon him, on the Night of the Isra' with six hundred wings. Between each pair of wings was a distance like that between the east and the west. Alla0h says:

﴿يَزِيدُ فِى الْخَلْقِ مَا يَشَآءُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ﴾

(He increases in creation what He wills. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things.) As-Suddi said, "He increases their wings and creates them as He wills.''

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Lets look at real Quran 7:69:

Why, do you deem it strange that a tiding from your Sustainer should have come unto you through a man from among yourselves, so that he might warn you? Do but remember how He made you heirs to Noah’s people, and endowed you abundantly with power: remember, then, God’s blessings, so that you might attain to a happy state!"

v.69 means: Lit., “successors after Noah’s people” – i.e., the most numerous and powerful of all the tribes that descended from Noah – “and increased you abundantly in respect of [your] natural endowment (khalq).” The latter term also signifies “power” (Rāzī).

...and gave you a stature tall among the nations. (Yusuf Ali)
...gave you increased strength in physique (Mufti Uthmani)
...raising you amply augmented your power (Tahiral Qadri)
...and gave you growth of stature (Pickthall)
...and increased you in stature broadly (Arberry)

We need not to explain, as the ayah is evident.

And subhannallah the explanation you gave for that Ayah, it was hilarious LOOOL. Are you hearing yourself.

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You say:

//Adam was created in a long period of time and there was a long period of time before the creation of Adam

(Quran 76:1) Has there come on man a long period of time when he was a thing unremembered?"//

Nope it doesnt say Adam was created in a long period of time. It says there was a long period of time when man was not a thing worth mentioning. It could be the time when man was not created or it could be when man was a embryo, or it could be the period of time when Allah shaped Adam and left him to harden.

//^Long period of time before the creation of humans.

15:26 We have created the human being from hardened clay of aged mud.

This verse above, describing the mud with the word masnun, pulls our attention to the lengthy time span of creation.//

And? Where does this hint of evolution. It doesnt rather you have a presupposition that you desire to apply to any verse.

lam yakun : he was not
shay'an : a thing
madhkuran :mentioned

Man came into being long after the beginning of time and the creation of the universe. Imam al-Tabari explains the verse as meaning: "Such a long period of time passed since the time of Adam that at that time he was not even a thing that had any worth and superiority. He was nothing but sticky and modified clay." (Imam at-Tabari, Tabari Commentary, vol. 6, p. 2684)

Also this clay was sticky – or it was said, viscous – as it says in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We created them of a sticky clay” [al-Saaffaat 37:11] 

Also Masnun means modified and stinking. And it says in Lisaan al-‘Arab (13/227):

“Masnoon means muntin (stinking), as in the verse ‘min hamaa’in masnoon.’ Abu ‘Amr said: this means altered and stinking. Abu’l-Haytham said: sunna al-ma’, fa huwa masnoon, i.e., the water changed, so it was altered (masnoon).”

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Adam didnt have a father. Adam was created by Allah from dust/clay..etc. It is the rest of the Human race that are created through the process of embryonic development. 

(Quran 96:1-2) Recite in the name of your Lord who created, Created man from a clinging substance (Alaq or embryo)

This refers to the rest of the human population except for our Father Adam who was created from dust as stated in the Quran.

This Ayah refutes you again.

Almighty Allah also revealed: And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis, he refused to be those who prostrate. Allah said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not postrate when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire and him You created from clay." (7:11-12)

Clearly here it is shown Adam is created from clay.

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You said: //Adam was chosen over others AND he descended from others:

(Quran 3:33-34) "Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds. DESCENDANTS, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing"

(Quran 35:11) And Allah did create you from dust; then from a reproductive fluid; then He made you in pairs

ADAM was created from dust, THEN from a reproductive fluid and THEN humans were made in pairs

That means that Adam was created through sexual reproduction.

(Quran 2:30) And when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority.

^Adam was a successor on the earth: Who did he succeed? If you say Jinn, show a Quranic reference please: otherwise you have no argument. Nowhere does the Quran say we succeeded Jinn, it said that we are successors of the Earth.//

First, you again mistranslated the ayah. It is:

3:33 Behold, Allah raised Adam, and Noah, and the House of Abraham, and the House of `Imran above all mankind,
3:34 in one line of descent. And Allah is All-hearing, All-knowing.

Again as they Ayah says they were just in one line of decent from Adam. Lit., "offspring of one another" - an allusion not merely to the physical descent of those prophets but also to the fact that all of them were spiritually linked with one another and believed in one and the same fundamental truth (Tabari). Thus, the above passage is a logical sequence to verses 31-32, which make God's approval contingent upon obedience to His chosen message-bearers. The names which appear in this sentence circumscribe, by implication, all the prophets mentioned in the Qur'an inasmuch as most of them were descendants of two or more of these patriarchs.

Adam was created from dust. The decendants of Adam were created from reproductie fluid and from the desecedants there were pairs male and female. “Then” in this and the following clause refers, not to stages of time, but to stages in the argument. It is almost equivalent to “further”, “also”, and “in addition”.

//That means that Adam was created through sexual reproduction.//

L-O-L. Read the above. Adam was created from dust like stated in the Quran but his offspring were created by sexual reproduction. That the sons of Adam started to multiply and they were created through water which is the sperm and fluids which are emitted by men and women, as is well known. 

The likeness of 'Isa in Allah's sight is the same as Adam. He created him from earth and then He said to him, "Be!" and he was. (Qur'an, 3:59)

The above verse states that Allah created Prophets Adam and 'Isa, peace be upon them, in the same way. As we stressed earlier, Prophet Adam was created with no parents, from the earth, at Allah's command "Be!" Prophet Jesus also was created without father, by Allah's Will expressed through the command "Be!"

First, Adam was a successor to the Jinns who were living on the earth very long time before Adam. I can show you a Hadith reference that is authentic then i would have a "argument" but i have not the time to go into hadith literature and find it right now.

Secondly, we know is that Adam was a successor to the earth. Like you told me to prove he was a successor to Jinns, (which i have done), You have to prove to me it means he was a successor of Primate apes, or some kind of "animal ancestors".

Thirdly, He was successor meaning that he is its "ruler", God has made us inhabitants of it till Judgment day. Each one of us is a successor. God gave Adam the right to rule the earth by the Sharia. And it could mean that the humans will be a successive authority. Meaning many generations of humans one after another that will have authority on earth.

Fourthly,  a more accurate explanation. The word in discussion is خَلِيفَةً. or "Khalifatan" meaning khalifa = Vicegerent. Lets take a more in depth look. Oxford Islamic Studies article says the meaning of Khalifa is:

(1) Deputy or steward; sometimes translated as vicegerent. According to the teachings of Islam, each individual is a khalifah to God. Muslims in particular must strive to adhere to and advance God's will by establishing a society that reflects human dignity and justice. Accordingly, human beings have been given the necessary intelligence, strength, and divine guidance to benefit humanity. Adam was the first appointed khalifah. King David is also identified by the Quran as a khalifah since he modeled his actions on God's commands and moral laws.

(2) Successor; the dynastic rulers of the Muslim empire.

(3) Leader of a Sufi order.

In Matthew S. Gordon's The Rise of Islam, caliph is said to translate to "deputy (or representative) of God." It is used in the Quran to establish Adam's role as representative of God on earth. Khalifa is also used to describe the belief that man's role, in his real nature, is as khalifa or viceroy to Allah. The word is also most commonly used for the Islamic leader of the Ummah; starting with Abu Bakr and his line of successors.

As shown above this clearly refutes you. Again and again.

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Allah caused you to grow from the earth, and then will return you to it and bring you out again. (Qur'an, 71:17-18)

Evolutionist Muslims view this verse as a vital foundation upon which they can base their views. The expression "Allah caused you to grow from the earth" is presented as evidence for inorganic evolution. As is clearly indicated in the verse's interpretation, however, it expresses the creation of the first human being from earth. Hamdi Yazir of Elmali offers the same interpretation:

There are two aspects to the verse. The first is that saying He created you from earth means that He created your father from earth, and began the process of creating your race by creating him from earth. The other is that he created all of you from earth, because Allah creates us from nourishment, from plants, from earth.

oh people! Consider this. Allah made you like a plant from earth. In other words, "He has created Adam, your forefather, from earth, or your essential substance (zygote) came into existence from plants and several food stuffs growing in the earth. People then grow and live. (Then) O people, He will return you to it. In other words: When you die, you will return to the earth and become part of the soil. (And) Then He will take you out of the graves and drive you all to the Judgment Day.

أَنبَات means to grow as about the man, his initial creation is from the earth and secondly whatever man eats, with the help of that food he raise up and get nurtured they are entirely from the earth directly like vegetation, fruits and food grains or indirectly like cattle’s meat. Thirdly there is a lot of resemblance between the man and the vegetation as most of the laws and regulations for the reproduction, development and growth of the vegetation are ruling over the man also. These expressions in the description of man are extremely meaningful, it indicates that the purpose of the guidance of the Almighty is not only like the teacher and the student but He is like the gardener who cultivates the seed in the suitable ambiance so the same way he do with the hidden abilities of man to get his talents exposed.

Imam al-Tabari's commentary states that: "Allah created you from dust of the earth. He made you from nothing.... He will later return you to your original states, to the earth. You will return to how you were before you were created. He can bring you back from the earth alive when He chooses." (Imam at-Tabari, Tabari Commentary, vol. 6, p. 2632)

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Lastly let me give you the real process of creation. Allah created Adam with his two hands. The Malik Al Mawt brought Allah Earth from around the world. Adam was created: from the earth – i.e. from its dust – which was then mixed with water to form mud, which then became black, stinking mud. And this dust was created from the earth which is partly sand and when it is mixed it becomes sounding clay like the clay of pottery. Hence when Allaah describes the creation of Adam in the Qur’aan, in each case He describes one of the stages through which his creation passed and through which the mud was formed. Then Allah breathed into Adam a soul (Life).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

When the perfection, complete power, all-encompassing knowledge, ever-executed will and utmost wisdom of the Lord decreed that His creation should be of materials of different kinds, and that they should vary in their forms and attributes and natures, His wisdom decreed that He should take a handful of dust from the earth, then mix it with water. So it became like black stinking mud. Then the wind was sent upon it and it dried out, until it became clay like pottery. Then it was given shape and limbs and faculties, and each part of it was given a shape suited to its purpose. Then he mentioned how people are created by means of intercourse and the emission of semen.(Al-Tabaayun fi Aqsaam al-Qur’aan, p. 204)

Qur'an Al-A'raf 7:189:

It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and (then) He has created from him his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her. ...

also Allah states clearly: “O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 1] Allah also says: “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing.” [Sûrah al-Hujûrât:13]

So tell me Did Hawwa evolutionize from Adam? LOL Thats what it looks like your saying. This Also shows Adam is the Father of All humans.

Hadith - Abu Dawood. Imam Ahmad has narrated from Abu Musa that the Prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said:

"Allah has created Adam from a handful (soil) which He had gathered from all over the earth. That is how the children of Adam came according to the (colour and nature of the) earth. There are white among them, as well as red and black, and cross colours. There are those among them who are of bad nature and good nature, soft as well as harsh and in between".

Sheikh Al-Albani (rahimahullah) declares the hadeeth authentic in Saheeh Al-Jaami' As-Sagheer wa-Ziyadatuhu (No. 1759) as well as in Silsalatul-Ahaadeeth-as-Saheehah (No. 1630).

Also another Ayah refutes evolution:

“(Allah) said: ‘O Iblis! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with both my hands? Are you haughty? Or art you one of the exalted?’ ” [Sûrah Sâd: 75]

We understand from this verse the extreme care and concern that Allah shows for this particular creation of His. Allah honors Adam – and in turn all of humanity – in this way. The fact that Allah singles out Adam saying that He created this creature with His own two hands shows how much Allah has honored Adam.

Quran 17:70: NOW, INDEED, We have conferred dignity on the children of Adam, and borne them over land and sea, and provided for them sustenance out of the good things of life, and favoured them far above most of Our creation.

 It was authentically reported that ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar said: “Allaah created four things with His Hand;

1) The Throne

2) The Pen

3) Aadam and

4) The paradise of ‘Adn.

He then said to the rest of the creation ‘Kun’ [Be] and it was.”

Adh Dhahabi stated in ‘Al ‘Uluw’: ‘It’s chain is good.’

Al Albaani stated in ‘Mukhtasar al ‘Uluw’ P.105: ‘The chain is authentic according to the conditions of Muslim.’

Abi Musa al Sha'arai narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them." (Sahih al Bukhari)

Allah created Adam AS in his finished form and his height was sixty cubits (about 41 meters or 126 feet)…. Therefore, all who enter Paradise will be of the form of Adam, and the people have not stopped decreasing in stature up to the present. (Bukhari)

When Allah had fashioned Adam in Paradise, He left him as he willed to leave him. Then Iblees went around him to see what he was. And when he found him hollow, he recognised he has been created with an uncontrolled disposition. (Muslim)

Ibn Kathir:

So Allah shaped Adam into a human being, but he remaineda figure of clay for 40 years. The angels went past him. They were seized with fear by what they saw, and Iblis felt fear most. He used to pass by the figure of Adam, buffeting it, which would make a sound like pottery. Allah told us: "He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery." [Chapter 55:Quran].

Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay. Iblis used to go past him saying 'You have been created for a great purpose.' After that Allah breathed His spirit into him. The first thing into which the spirit passed was his eye and then his nose. He sneezed. Allah said: "May your Lord have mercy upon you, O Adam! Go to those angels and see what they would say.' So Adam went and greeted them. they replied saying: "Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah." Allah said: "O Adam! This is your greeting and that of your offspring." [Sahih al Bukhari]

Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "O Muslims! I advise you to be gentle with women, for they are created from a rib, and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part. If you try to straighten it, it will break and if you leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to take care of the women." [Sahih Bukhari]

Then Allah said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." (Chapter 38:71-72 Quran).

And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.” So the angels prostrated – all of them entirely, Except Iblees, he refused to be with those who prostrated. (Qur’an 15:29-31)

Now. Lets inspect the above ayah in points:

1) Allah created man from clay
2) Then fashioned and Proportioned
3) Then Breathed soul into him

This ayah proves that Adam was created directly by Allah and not process of evolution. Because according to evolution humans came from primates apes..animals.etc. Basically they are ALIVE and need to be ALIVE to evolve. But Adam was only ALIVE and had a soul only after he was fashioned and proportioned by Allah. Meaning Adam was DEAD AND LIFE-LESS when he was being created and in the process of fashioning or as Mclinkin says in the process of evolution. THEREFORE ADAM COULD NOT OFF EVOLVED FROM SOMETHING BEFORE HIM WHEN HE WAS NOT ALIVE. Because how can a dead ape evolve into a man. YOU UNDERSTANDING ME GUYS.

ALLAHU AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR WAL 3IZATU LILLAH

ALLAHU A'LAM

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: SAVE THE MUSLIMS IN SYRIA!!!
« on: February 22, 2014, 07:31:14 AM »
Asalamualykum everyone.

Zulfiqar:

I think Osama is doing a very good job. His information and the way he is presenting and expressing himself is correct and straight. Keep up the work brother Osama.

And as a side note, FSA are not real defenders of the Truth. They are puppets of the western nations.

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Allah did create Humans in stages. No one disagrees. But where is your evidence that they were stages of evolution.

We agree that Allah:

1) Designed Adam
2) Created Adam from Earth, Dust, Clay..etc
3) Created Adam in stages
4) Perfected Adam

Correct?

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Sallamualaykum,

First, you have a presupposition that evolution is a fact, which it is far from. But since the discussion is about Does Islam support evolution we will leave that out to discuss later.

Ok. You say that Allah says: He designed you then perfected your design.

Sorry but that or the other verses do not show evidence for evolution. I will Explain more in next post


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Asalamu Alaykum

Thanks akhi for your work. Just wanted to ask are these the miracles where the Numerological (abjad) calculations are used to find the value of the letter?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Surah 33 ayah 36
« on: February 18, 2014, 04:17:41 PM »
All the words and actions that were approved of or performed by the Prophet are approved by Allah.

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As'salamu Alaikum brother,

Thanks for the post. But the sentence about evolution is disappointing to be heard from a Muslim.


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Salam Alaykum brothers.

The Jews did not believe that Jesus was a Prophet, that's why they rejected him and tried to kill him but failed. But what i want to know is in this ayah the Jews are quoted as saying they killed Jesus THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH. So did they believe he was or wasn't a Messenger of Allah?

[4:157] And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Any answers?

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May Allah bless you both and all the Muslim Ummah around the globe. May Allah give us Victory over the Kafireen

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{These same organizations also denounce the actions of the US and UK so your argument that the joos controlled media documenting it is pretty much BS. For example Amnesty International critisize the taliban on their treatment of women but also call out the US' drone murder strikes and Guantanamo Bay.}

Yes they do denounce actions of US and UK, but did i say that ALL institutions were controlled by Jews? No. I said many if not most. These other non-Jew controlled are either again atheists, christian or people who have a dislike for sharia, whether it is concluded by self-research or mis-information by Jewish controlled associates. So yes there are also people for HR for both sides.

{After all, I doubt zionists would purposefully critisize themselves seeing as they send out hasbarah trolls to wage propaganda wars on anything regarding Israel and Palestine}

Zionist Jews don't give a S*** what you or other humans say, they know they are in control know and sometimes let evidence 'leek out'. Like 9/11 they actually said that they would eventually let people know that they were the perpetrators. Just to humiliate humanity and show themselves how worthless they are and show that the Jews are the controllers.

Anyway your not even human to them. Don't believe me read the Talmud:

All gentile children are animals. [Yebamoth 98a.]

When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. [Sanhedrin 57a]

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Sallam,

{Ive already told you that i dont believe the so called "jew controlled media" so please dont keep repeating that.}
I will keep repeating it if it is connected to these events. Ive already told you that i dont believe that Taliban are terrorists so please dont keep repeating that. :)

{You seriously think im going to go into a warzone to ask for an apprently "fake taliban".}
Certain areas where fighting is still taking place. Certain areas are free of war. And am not forcing you. If you want to, go and find the truth.

{We have the news and internet for a reason.}
And there are many informative sites where you can search for the truth in these matters.

{I too also agree that women beating is not Shariah but the fact is the taliban do beat women and yes probably because of cultural causes but they still claim it is Islamic.}
False, Taliban commanders have even said that beating women is against the teachings of Islam, and do not practise it. I explained this in my above post.

{Human rights organisations never blame Islam, for all they're concerned they couldnt care less about Islam.}
Many HR activists blame Islam. Islams views on gender equality, sexuality, freedom of speech, freedom of will, Sharia punishments...etc They abhor Islam and its laws.

{You keep referring to baseless conspiracy theories regarding jews controlling the media and banks (zionists control what the government does regarding Palestine but thats it. There are no Jews in a dark little room plotting the downfall and takeover of Islam and the world).}
See thats the problem, you call it 'baseless'. Which it is not, look at the evidences please!!! Also its not even been 1hr since i posted my last reply with link to other information and then you call them baseless conspiracies. Do the research first.

The Jews most importantly control the media and banks, evidences are provided in the "links" in the other post. Well then someone can tell you that 'there are no Jewish Zionist controlling Palestine its all exaggerated nonsense'. So are you talking non-sense. You have a belief that others call idiotic conspiracy theory like you call the one that i believe in idiotic. So dont think that your belief is less idiotic or so much intelligent. (if you think that way)

I don't believe Jews in a dark room plotting......But there are Jews around the world controlling state institutions, media, militaries, think tanks, politicians, congress, parliament, Multinational Corporations, advisers, banking families that do plot. And if they meet, they meet in a bright, enormous room. :)

I didn't say everything regarding the Taliban is lies. Of course they are going to have errors here and there, they are humans. And please tell me what are the Taliban's ideology?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Expanding Universe Miracle
« on: July 27, 2013, 07:20:13 PM »
Some questions asked and answered about musioon being past tense etc were also asked to me inthe very same way on FB

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1) How do you know it is the Taliban claiming responsibility? You should only accuse one in Islam when you are 100% true. Eg, Like the video where Bin Ladin supposedly "admits" to 9/11. Which was in fact a fake, and proven fake. Just do a little search on Google

2) If you see a man with a beard in a Youtube clip saying 'am Taliban and i killed the people Allahu Akbar' does that automatically mean he is taliban? Absolutly not.

3) Human rights organizations and similar organizations do document what happens. But do they have EVIDENCE that it was taliban who did it or some men with beards screaming Allahs name. All they have is a crime that was commited. And of course they will blame Taliban and Islam. But still no proof.

4) "Where is my proof of this fake taliban?" Go to Afghanistan personally, and ask the people there, thats what someone did. Dont tune into a jewish controlled box and get brainwashed by lies after lies.

5) Dont accuse people without evidence or call other hypocrites. A hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him states that anyone who calls another believer a hypocrite unjustly, he himself is a hypocrite.

6) I never said abusing women is shariah, nor did taliban say anything about women abuse is sharia. But there are many muslims in this world who do practise this and do need to stop the cultural and traditional practices, they go directly against Islam. In afghanistan there are people who practise women beatings taliban and non-taliban due to traditional and cultural reasons. So it is not that the taliban say its part of sharia or part of law to abuse women no. It is practised on a individual basis, like any other citizen. And many Afghans have stopped this realizing Islams stance on this. So who would you agree with, a organization that SOME people practise women beatings, but uphold Islam and and prevent vice. Or some people who practise women beatings, do not uphold islam, want secularism, wants vices and forbidden things.

7) "The zionists dont give a flying crap about afghanistan. They only care about occupying palestine. Bring your proof if otherwise."

watch series called 'the arrivals' for a start or read the book 'Synagogue Of Satan'. I could give you a ton more.

You need to look at the bigger picture. Its not just zionists and Palastine, its Zionism, Palastine, Kabbalah, eradiction of monotheism, one world government, world domination, money, media, world banks, interest (riba), luciferianism....and on. About the jewish families, free-masons, illuminati, satanic rituals, land, oil, resources.... . Research about Rockerfeller and Rothschild families. When the 'Elite' attack or invade, they do it for many reasons. 3 in 1 to say. Many reasons we know, and many more yet hidden. For example Nato attcked Afghanistan. Why? Answers would be, resources, threat of Islamic domination, threat of fall of drug trade which the US is heavily involved in and the absence of jewish controlled world bank. And still Many more reasons. Like look at the things i told you.

8) "We have people like you who blindly defend any 'muslim' and believe anything they say."

Brother am not blindly defending 'muslim'. I look at his actions and views, if they agree with the salif-asaaliheen and ahlusunnah i agree with them if not they are my rivals.

"Our Ummah is full of cowards who refuse to see people for what they truly are and follow idiotic conspiracy theories in an attempt to justify themselves. There was a time when people wouldnt be afraid to speak out and correct the Rightly Guided Caliph. Now, assaulting women is 'shariah'."

I hope your not reffering to me. May Allah forgive you brother, i am not attacking you, i am just having a discussion with you. May Allah forgive me too if i have offended you in anyway.

If you want to call the conspiracies idiotic its your will, but please take the time to look at them closely before you reject them. And i just as conspiracies are idiotic, i think the 'mainstream facts' are idiotic too.

Also what way do Taliban apart from the western biased spread news.

A Taliban representative stated: "The Taliban’s act of giving monthly salaries to 30,000 job-free women, now sitting comfortably at home, is a whiplash in the face of those who are defaming Taliban with reference to the rights of women. These people through baseless propaganda are trying to incite the women of Kabul against the Taliban". (The Taliban: Ascent to Power. pg 108)

"The Taliban ARE terrorists. Terrorists which NATO had supported. And yet another stupid jew conspiracy."

Nato had supported??

Sorry Tanveer but you are lacking in this area of knowledge. Please i ask you sincerely to do some research and use reason that God gave you to come to the correct conclusions. Review and analyze the information you have got then again think about them in conjuction to other matters that are taking place.

If Taliban were doing anything forbidden in Islam i would of been the first to denounce them, if Taliban transgresses the bounds of sharia i will be the first to denounce it. But till now still no evidence.

Allah knows best

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