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Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« on: May 18, 2013, 01:52:44 AM »
sometimes i see on TV that Palestinian Muslims are still praying towards Masjidul Aqsa

didn't Allah(SWT) ordered all the Muslims to pray towards Mecca?

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 12:56:56 PM »
sometimes i see on TV that Palestinian Muslims are still praying towards Masjidul Aqsa

didn't Allah(SWT) ordered all the Muslims to pray towards Mecca?

They don't.  They never did and never do, dear brother.  I also happen to be a Palestinian myself.  All Muslims (polytheist shias excluded; they're not Muslims) Pray to Allah Almighty in the direction of (not to) the Kaaba, which is in Mecca (Makkah).  The polytheist shias have their own Kaaba in Karbala.  Here is a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFE38MCwT5U.  This is another proof and reason why the filthy Shias are poison to Islam.  They're not just enemies to Islam.  But they're also poison.  They insist on corrupting everything about Islam.  All Sunni Muslims, who are the real and Mainstream Islam, MUST WAKE UP and flush the zionist shiism down the toilet where it belongs!

Muslims are the Original Believers of GOD Almighty.  Islam is the Original Faith of GOD Almighty.  All of the Bible's Prophets, including Jesus, also Prayed to GOD Almighty the Muslims' way.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm.

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 03:36:55 PM »
Dear Brother Osama

I said it over and over i am not a shia nor a sunni,my question was about Masjidul Aqsa not shia or sunni.

i can see that you hate shias more than the non-believers.

from my point of view they are muslims and they are lost and have been lied to,just as the way salafis and wahabis are lost and have been lied to.

I am not Arab.you have problems with shias,go do whatever you like,i am thinking of you and other muslims as my brothers and sisters and it doesn't matter to me whether they are shias or sunnis.

if shias were made by the zionist or the jews,it is you duty to put the back on the right track not to kill them.whatever they are they are humans too.

by calling the kufar and killing them nothing can be solved and this way you are creating more hatred among muslims.

just as my sunni friend have talked to me and i have changed,you can talk to them and they will change too.
if not,there is a creator and he will judge between you and them and his judgement is completely true.

wa salamu alaykum wa rahmatullah

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2013, 04:48:44 PM »
Dear Brother Osama

I said it over and over i am not a shia nor a sunni,my question was about Masjidul Aqsa not shia or sunni.

i can see that you hate shias more than the non-believers.

from my point of view they are muslims and they are lost and have been lied to,just as the way salafis and wahabis are lost and have been lied to.

I am not Arab.you have problems with shias,go do whatever you like,i am thinking of you and other muslims as my brothers and sisters and it doesn't matter to me whether they are shias or sunnis.

if shias were made by the zionist or the jews,it is you duty to put the back on the right track not to kill them.whatever they are they are humans too.

by calling the kufar and killing them nothing can be solved and this way you are creating more hatred among muslims.

just as my sunni friend have talked to me and i have changed,you can talk to them and they will change too.
if not,there is a creator and he will judge between you and them and his judgement is completely true.

wa salamu alaykum wa rahmatullah
Bro Reza if you dont mind me asking. Do you just follow the Quran or do you also follow hadiths (yes yes i mean authentic ones)?

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 06:24:16 PM »
Brother Tanveer

I follow the Quran and the Authentic Hadith as well.

there is no Hadith that says Shias are Kufar,and there is no Hadith that says Salafis and Wahabis will go to Jannat if they Kill Shias.

if you understand simple English,i don't know if you are Wahabi or a Salafi or whatsoever,i said it over and over,i am Just a MUSLIM and that's it.not a sunni nor a shia.

Hold fast on to the Rope of Allah all of you together and do not differ.
[surah Aal ‘Imraan:103]

This is My straight Path, so follow it and do not follow the other paths, otherwise you will differ from His Path. That is a counsel from Him, in order that you may be successful.
[surah Al-An’aam:153]

Rasulallah(SAWS) was a muslim,he wasn't sunni or shia.i am a Muslim,not a shia nor a sunni.


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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2013, 05:16:07 AM »
Brother Tanveer

I follow the Quran and the Authentic Hadith as well.

there is no Hadith that says Shias are Kufar,and there is no Hadith that says Salafis and Wahabis will go to Jannat if they Kill Shias.

if you understand simple English,i don't know if you are Wahabi or a Salafi or whatsoever,i said it over and over,i am Just a MUSLIM and that's it.not a sunni nor a shia.

Hold fast on to the Rope of Allah all of you together and do not differ.
[surah Aal ‘Imraan:103]

This is My straight Path, so follow it and do not follow the other paths, otherwise you will differ from His Path. That is a counsel from Him, in order that you may be successful.
[surah Al-An’aam:153]

Rasulallah(SAWS) was a muslim,he wasn't sunni or shia.i am a Muslim,not a shia nor a sunni.
I think most of us, if a random person came up to us and said "What is your religion?" we'd all reply "Muslim".

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 07:10:56 AM »
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I think most of us, if a random person came up to us and said "What is your religion?" we'd all reply "Muslim".

And Allah Almighty responded to this in the Glorious Quran, dear brothers Tanveer and Reza:

[006:021]  And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against ALLAH or treat HIS Signs as lies ? Surely the unjust shall not prosper.

[006:022]  And think of the day when WE shall gather them all together; then shall WE say to those who associated partners with ALLAH, `Where are the partners you spoke of - those whom you asserted ?'

[006:023]  Then they will have no excuse save that they shall say, `By ALLAH, our Lord, we were not idolaters.'

[006:024]  See how they shall lie against themselves. And that which they fabricated shall fail them.

[006:025]  And among them are some who give ear to thee; but WE have put veils on their hearts, that they should not understand, and deafness in their ears. And even if they see every Sign, they would not believe therein, so much so that when they come to thee, disputing with thee, those who disbelieve say, `This is nothing but fables of the ancients.'

[006:026]  And they forbid others to believe in it and themselves too they keep away from it. And they ruin none but their ownselves; only they perceive not.

  


Noble Verse 6:25 makes it clear that these Noble Verses are speaking about pagans AND MUSLIMS (fake Muslims that is who make partners with Allah Almighty).  Just about 90% of shias today don't directly call unto Allah Almighty directly.  Their false cult and religion would crumble into its own self, and self refute itself, if it's not different from the real Islam, which is our Islam.  And yes, the Prophet was a Sunni Muslim.  As a Muslim, it is compulsory upon you to not just following the Holy Quran, but also the Sunnah of the Prophet.

You've all seen above how this satanic and zionist shia religion has even its own Kaaba.  Karbala is Mecca (Makkah) to them.  And like I said, they don't call unto Allah Almighty directly.  Their top scholars ON THEIR TV CHANNELS clearly say that by the wholesale!  Visit the links below and watch the videos.

All Muslims have to wake up and reject shiism.  It's a zionist religion, and its latest and greatest UPCOMING MAHDI book is now being prepared in Tel Aviv.  And their false mahdi will soon appear from Iran.  These people ARE FAKE!!  They're not Muslims.  Stop this garbage about that if a person says he's Muslim then who are we to judge.  The Holy Quran is clear that actions speak louder than words.  He can bark "I am Muslim" all day long.  But if his actions are polytheistic, then he is not Muslim!  Most Shias are not Muslims to me, and shiism as a whole is a zionist conspiracy.  All objective Shias must leave and reject AND FIGHT this false religion.

Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim_polytheists.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 07:46:01 AM »
Those verses are talking about the people of the scripture,meaning the jews and the christians
how can we find out?you read one verse before it.
6:20
Sahih International
Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe.

it didn't say shias or sunnis,brother osama may Allah(SWT) himself guide you and put you on the right path.
do as you like,kill shias,call them kufar,cut their throats just as the way you cut the head of a sheep or a cow, wipe them off the map,each and every single one that you see,even the infants,etc.ok?as you like.

but don't interpret the Quran in a way that suits you.

remember he will judge you oneday for what you are doing too.

i am living among arabs and in know how they are and i know their mentality.

لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له له الملك وله الحمد وهو على كل شيء قدير
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

قال رسول الله صلّی الله علیه و آله و سلّم:
«لا تحقّرنّ أحداً من المسلمین فإنّ صغیرهم عند الله کبیر
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 10:22:20 AM »
Brother Tanveer

I follow the Quran and the Authentic Hadith as well.

there is no Hadith that says Shias are Kufar,and there is no Hadith that says Salafis and Wahabis will go to Jannat if they Kill Shias.

if you understand simple English,i don't know if you are Wahabi or a Salafi or whatsoever,i said it over and over,i am Just a MUSLIM and that's it.not a sunni nor a shia.

Hold fast on to the Rope of Allah all of you together and do not differ.
[surah Aal ‘Imraan:103]

This is My straight Path, so follow it and do not follow the other paths, otherwise you will differ from His Path. That is a counsel from Him, in order that you may be successful.
[surah Al-An’aam:153]

Rasulallah(SAWS) was a muslim,he wasn't sunni or shia.i am a Muslim,not a shia nor a sunni.

You wrote:

 " there is no Hadith that says Shias are Kufar,and there is no Hadith that says Salafis and Wahabis will go to Jannat if they Kill Shias. "

Firstly, if you claim to be a muslim, you will have to believe in your heart, that there is NONE worthy of worship except Allah alone.
If you worship and call upon the creation, like shias do (Calling upon Ali etc) then you are NOT a muslim.

It's simple, and what's your problem? Stop using the terms "Wahabi" and "Salafi". I like you, follow no sect in Islam, I am a muslim, I follow only the authentic ahadith and Qur'an.

As far as I know, Muhammad Ibn Al Wahab was a guy who was against grave worship etc, so what's your problem? Also stop using the term Wahabi because you are ascribing Allah's attributes to the creation.

You're acting as if Shia are innocent.

Anyone can claim to be a muslim, but if you believe in a trinity like the baathists do in Syria, then no, you are NOT a muslim.

If you claim Ali is a prophet after the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and give the "imams" Allah's attributes then no, you are NOT a muslim.

If you claim that the Qur'an is incomplete, you are NOT a muslim.

If you claim that Angel Gabriel made a mistake and was supposed to reveal his revelation to Ali instead of Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him), then no, you are not a muslim.

Infact, Shias today are more closer to Jews then muslims, there Mahdi reminds me of none but the Dajjal. They claim that their "Mahdi" will destroy the kaaba, will have jewish/christian followers, will speak hebrew, rule by the rule of David etc, will kill "sunnis" etc, I think when the Dajjal comes, they will be foolish enough to follow him thinking he is their "12th Imam" and will be fooled by how he acts and will fight against the muslims as the Dajjal will fight against the muslims.

and no, if someone came up to us and asked what religion we followed, we would reply "Islam", not muslim. lol.

ALSO. Please explain how "Salafis" and "Wahabis" are lost and have been lied to. Enough of your propaganda and rubbish. Please explain how being strict towards the sunnah and avoiding shirk (Grave worshiping, calling upon dead saints etc) is being lied to?
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 11:39:16 AM »
*Slaps forehead*
I was meant to write Islam, my mistake xD

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 12:10:03 PM »
Asalamu Alaykum Brother adnaanshaikh195

First of all,if you know arabic language i already posted what i believe

لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له له الملك وله الحمد وهو على كل شيء قدير
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

Second of all,who said Ali is a prophet?(ASTAGHFORALLAH)
when i was a kid in our school they told us ALI(AS)was a Imam not a prophet.
the last prophet of Allah is Prophet MUHAMMAD(SAWS) and he is the khatamul Anbia.
anyone claims to be a prophet after Rasulallah is a liar.

Why am i suing the term Wahabis?because you go to Iraq for Ziarat they come to you and cut your throat when they find out you are shia.
there are many videos on the net that they are cutting off the heads of shias.

you said i am acting like shias are innocent,i didn't say shias are innocent,i said shias are lost because they have been lied to and have been programmed by their scholars,go blame their scholars not the poor people that don't know about sunnis.

would it kill you if you talk to them and tell them what you are doing is wrong instead of simply cutting off their heads?

i have never heard anyone says that Quran is incomplete,except by brother Osama.
you see this a lie that your scholars says shias says Quran is corrupted and Ali is a prophet and shia scholars lie about other stuff like sunnis do not like the ahl-albeit(AS)
 
"If you claim that Angel Gabriel made a mistake and was supposed to reveal his revelation to Ali instead of Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him), then no, you are not a muslim."

in my whole life i have never heard such a thing,this a new lie i have heard.

"Anyone can claim to be a muslim, but if you believe in a trinity like the baathists do in Syria, then no, you are NOT a muslim."

what is that trinity?
this is again something new

"Infact, Shias today are more closer to Jews then muslims, there Mahdi reminds me of none but the Dajjal. They claim that their "Mahdi" will destroy the kaaba, will have jewish/christian followers, will speak hebrew, rule by the rule of David etc, will kill "sunnis" etc, I think when the Dajjal comes, they will be foolish enough to follow him thinking he is their "12th Imam" and will be fooled by how he acts and will fight against the muslims as the Dajjal will fight against the muslims."

where do you get all these lies from?

i have never heard these in my life before


if you people understand simple ENGLISH i said it over and over and i will say it again:

I am Just a MUSLIM and that's it.not a sunni nor a shia.
لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له له الملك وله الحمد وهو على كل شيء قدير
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

قال رسول الله صلّی الله علیه و آله و سلّم:
«لا تحقّرنّ أحداً من المسلمین فإنّ صغیرهم عند الله کبیر

then again someone else is gonna post something and say you are a shia and shias are kufar.

i am saying simple to all:

KUS OMAHOM SHIA,KOS OMAHOM SUNNI.

sorry for my bad language but i just wanted to make it clear for all.


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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 01:29:34 PM »
I for one do not think of you as a kaafir Bro Reza. :)

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 01:34:48 PM »
thank you brother Tanveer

i hope others were just like you

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 02:23:27 PM »
thank you brother Tanveer

i hope others were just like you
I never claimed you were a non muslim.

UNLESS you are a shia acting as if you are not, which I doubt it even though you are so defensive.

Who are my lying scholars? Like I said, I claimed before to follow NO SECTS, just Qur'an and authentic ahadith etc.

You are being ignorant by using the term "Wahabbi", the term "Wahabbi" and "Salafi" is used nowadays against muslims (Mostly scholars) who are strictly against innovations and pagan practices (Calling upon the dead) etc.

It's funny how people like you, when they don't come up against absurd beliefs in their life or are just refusing to be honest, claim that whoever brings them forward automatically means that the beliefs are "lies".

Firstly, let's begin with the trinity. Awalites in Syria, who slaughter sunnis, believe in a trinity. They consider themselves Shia, once again, I will say it, anyone who believes in a trinity is NOT muslim. They consider themselves true Shias whilst Shias think they are Kafir. So just because you've never heard of this before does NOT mean it is a lie, it just means you are either denying this because you already know it or are being ignorant without researching and throws the term "Wahabi" against anyone who is against your own beliefs.

Now for the shias which believe that Angel Gabriel made a mistake and so on.
This belief is called "gharabiah" They believe that soul of Mohammed PBUH was similar to soul fo Ali, as one crow looks similar to another one. So, they believe Jibraeel AS got confused and delivered the message to Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) instead of Ali. Once again, proves how ignorant you are.

Now the shia mahdi (Dajjal) and a comparison with the Dajjal. (This will prove how ignorant you are again).

Watch this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_7382_rGY0

There are two parts. (Or three, i can't remember).

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you use the term "Wahhabi", once again, you remind me of shia and sufi scholars who throw that term around to people who don't believe in their disgusting pagan ideologies.

There are even shias who believe that Allah cannot hear our prayers so we have to call upon Ali before him (May Allah forgive me for saying this).

I can go on and on and on.

Shias are closer to Jews then muslims. FACT.
They will most likely follow the dajjal, believing he is their "12th Imam".

Shias don't follow the Ahlul-Bayt, they follow a Jew.
The Ahlul-Bayt were free from this pagan ideology of worshiping Ali.

If you call upon Ali and Hussein by saying "Ya Ali, Ya Hussein" etc, you are committing shirk, it's NOT hard to understand. This is NOT from Islam.

 


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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2013, 03:22:52 PM »
I said it over and over I am not following any sects either just like yourself, just Qur'an and authentic ahadith.

I am not ARAB,and i am living among arabs and i do know how they are,must of them are hypocrites and monafegh

MY BLOOD IS 100% persian blood,when i say i am not a shia or sunni,i mean it.

i already answered your question regarding wahabis,they are the ones who are cutting off the heads of shias in Iraq

"If you call upon Ali and Hussein by saying "Ya Ali, Ya Hussein" etc, you are committing shirk, it's NOT hard to understand. This is NOT from Islam. "

honestly when i was a shia i used to say like that,that's what they teach people.and how poor people are supposed to know the truth unless they say someone who is nice and really wants to help people is a true muslim then he say that is wrong and you shouldn't say that;you should worship ALLAH(SW) not just kill them because they don't know the truth!!!!!
however they don't worship ali or hussain,they use them as a waseta,and i know that ALLAH(SWT) does not need a waseta.
this is what my sunni friend taught me:


And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will respond to you."

QURAN40:60
and that's how i have changed!!!!!!!!!
that's what i say to each and every shia i see.
and i ask every sunni to help them to find the truth not to kill them!!!!

if i have changed they can be changed too.

these things wallah i have never heard them in my life and i don't think any shia in Iran says that

Now for the shias which believe that Angel Gabriel made a mistake and so on.
This belief is called "gharabiah" They believe that soul of Mohammed PBUH was similar to soul fo Ali, as one crow looks similar to another one. So, they believe Jibraeel AS got confused and delivered the message to Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) instead of Ali. Once again, proves how ignorant you are.

Now the shia mahdi (Dajjal) and a comparison with the Dajjal. (This will prove how ignorant you are again).

There are even shias who believe that Allah cannot hear our prayers so we have to call upon Ali before him (May Allah forgive me for saying this).

ALLAH(SWT) is not deaf so that they call upon Ali,as i said they are using Ali as a Wasetah which is wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2013, 04:38:07 PM »
I said it over and over I am not following any sects either just like yourself, just Qur'an and authentic ahadith.

I am not ARAB,and i am living among arabs and i do know how they are,must of them are hypocrites and monafegh

MY BLOOD IS 100% persian blood,when i say i am not a shia or sunni,i mean it.

i already answered your question regarding wahabis,they are the ones who are cutting off the heads of shias in Iraq

"If you call upon Ali and Hussein by saying "Ya Ali, Ya Hussein" etc, you are committing shirk, it's NOT hard to understand. This is NOT from Islam. "

honestly when i was a shia i used to say like that,that's what they teach people.and how poor people are supposed to know the truth unless they say someone who is nice and really wants to help people is a true muslim then he say that is wrong and you shouldn't say that;you should worship ALLAH(SW) not just kill them because they don't know the truth!!!!!
however they don't worship ali or hussain,they use them as a waseta,and i know that ALLAH(SWT) does not need a waseta.
this is what my sunni friend taught me:


And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will respond to you."

QURAN40:60
and that's how i have changed!!!!!!!!!
that's what i say to each and every shia i see.
and i ask every sunni to help them to find the truth not to kill them!!!!

if i have changed they can be changed too.

these things wallah i have never heard them in my life and i don't think any shia in Iran says that

Now for the shias which believe that Angel Gabriel made a mistake and so on.
This belief is called "gharabiah" They believe that soul of Mohammed PBUH was similar to soul fo Ali, as one crow looks similar to another one. So, they believe Jibraeel AS got confused and delivered the message to Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) instead of Ali. Once again, proves how ignorant you are.

Now the shia mahdi (Dajjal) and a comparison with the Dajjal. (This will prove how ignorant you are again).

There are even shias who believe that Allah cannot hear our prayers so we have to call upon Ali before him (May Allah forgive me for saying this).

ALLAH(SWT) is not deaf so that they call upon Ali,as i said they are using Ali as a Wasetah which is wrong.

Brother, I know that you claimed you are not shia/sunni, but are only muslim, that's good!

But the whole point of my replies were for the reason that you asked where through the hadith can you prove that Shia are not muslim? I was just answering you.

Anyway, discussion over, may Allah guide shia to the straight path, Ameen.


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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 04:40:45 PM »
Bro Texas what's your beef with Arabs?

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2013, 04:52:11 PM »
Brother adnaanshaikh195

good,i always pray the same for both sides

Tanveer,most of the Arabs that i have met,none of them makes a promise or says something and he does what he said or doesn't break his promise
although they were mostly from Iraq and my saudi friends also told me that Iraqis are like that mostly

i didn't mean to hurt you and i hope you are not like them but this is my experience
sorry if i hurt you

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2013, 05:02:32 PM »
Brother adnaanshaikh195

good,i always pray the same for both sides

Tanveer,most of the Arabs that i have met,none of them makes a promise or says something and he does what he said or doesn't break his promise
although they were mostly from Iraq and my saudi friends also told me that Iraqis are like that mostly

i didn't mean to hurt you and i hope you are not like them but this is my experience
sorry if i hurt you
Lol dont worry I'm not arab. :P You just seemed to have a very negative view of them.

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2013, 04:33:31 PM »
Remeber there is no racism in islam.

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2013, 11:40:45 AM »
Now , just to get some things straight . At the beginning , there were only Muslims following the path of prophet Muhammad peace and blessings upon him , after a few centuries , new sects appeared and claimed to be from Islam while they are VERY far from it . Because of that , the word "Salafi" and "Sunni" appeared . These two words don't make sects , they just mean that you're following the companions (Salaf) and path (Sunnah) of prophet Muhammad peace upon him . So I don't know how come the word "Salafi" became an insult ! It's the same as the story of prophet Loot with his people who wanted to drive him and his family out because they're "Pure" . Does that make sense ?

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2013, 03:14:52 PM »
Because the word has become associated to extremist who oppose things like modernization and new technology, it is seen as backwards, but those people justify there action actions by saying the salaf didn't use them therefore we should not.
Shia also became an insult as it connotates worshiping Ali, but in reality Shia come from "Shia't ali", people who suported Ali against Muawiyah and Aisha, personally if i HAD to choose between being on the side of Ali or the side of Muawiyah and Aisha during the first Fitna, i mean if i had no choice in the matter, i would choose Ali. And even if not, people still would have loved ali.
Shia, Salafi, Sufi, Sunni... are all meanings of something good
Shia: supporter of Ali
Salafi: Followers of the sahaba
Sufi: Pure, Wool (Asceticsm)
Sunni: a follower of the sunnh of the prophet

but there meanings have all been corrupted by people who claim to be them, or who represent a small minority of them.
The terms have come to mean:
Shia: Ali worshipper
Salafi: Backwards, Anti-Modern, struck in the middle ages
Sufi: Innovator, Anti-realist, only things about God,
Sunni: Ali hater,



This was a comment i found from youtube:
Instead of killing each other on whether to fold our hands during prayers or not, we should fight against those who want to chop them of.

To Osama Abdallah and other commentors: I agree that some Shia do worship ali, however, the majority sects, or at least the doctrince of those sects, such as the twelvers, zaydis, and some ismailis, are agaisnt that worship.
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2013, 05:28:05 PM »
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To Osama Abdallah and other commentors: I agree that some Shia do worship ali, however, the majority sects, or at least the doctrince of those sects, such as the twelvers, zaydis, and some ismailis, are agaisnt that worship.
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As'salamu Alaikum dear respected brother Zulfiqar,

Thank you for pointing out few points.  I would like to respond to them in the following:

1-  Regarding "Shiat Ali" (Group of Ali), why is this even a valid name then today?  Do you find any Sunni on the face of this earth, today, dare say that Muawiyah is better than Ali, or even is even with Ali, peace be upon him?  No.  Now this doesn't mean Muawiyah is an infidel.  He made his horrible mistakes and he and everyone in that Age and Era is in the Hands of the Judge of all Judges.  You see, what bothers me from the Shias is that just about EVERYTHING about them violates the Holy Quran.

-  Did you know that according to the Holy Quran you are forbidden from calling yourself Shia?

-  Did you know that according to the Holy Quran, you are forbidden from DWELLING in the past and dramas of the people before you?

Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/muslim_polytheists.htm to read the Noble Verses for yourself, akhi.  I am not making this up, people!

-  Why the Shiat Ali title?  Is Ali, peace be upon him, still alive today?  Is he relevant to anything or anyone today?  Now, here the thing that exposes Shiism's polytheism, idol-worship and blasphemies:

Shia Answer:  Yes, Ali is alive and is living among us today, in spirit.  We seek him in person.  We call unto him by the name and in person.  And we seek his guidance, inspirations and protection.

Sunni's Response to this:  This is a lie from Hell against Islam, for no such ideology is supported in Holy Quran or any where in Islam.  Ali is DEAD and has no connection with any one here on earth, today.  I didn't say this.  Allah Almighty Said it in the Glorious Quran.  THE BELIEVERS ARE ALIVE IN HEAVEN "WITH ALLAH ALMIGHTY", and enjoying the Bliss of Allah Almighty.

If Ali were here on earth, then Allah Almighty would have to "SEND HIM DOWN" to us as He the Almighty Spoke about sending down the Holy Spirit and Angels to the Believers.  No mention of any humans being sent down here again, except for CHRIST, peace be upon him.  This is a reincarnation hindu theology that has no place in Islam.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/muslim_polytheists.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/martyrs.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm

And what makes shiism more ridiculous is that they don't consider CHRIST ALIVE WITH US TODAY, which is true.  He is not with us here on earth.  He is up there in Heaven until Allah Almighty Sends him down again to fight the anti-Christ.  But when it comes to Ali and Ahlul Bayt, they're all over the map!  A very empty religion with empty claims that 100% clash with everything about the Holy Quran and Islam.
 
-  Did you know that the poison that is called Shiism IS A MAJOR BLASPHEMY in just about everything about it?

Shias love to deceive the Muslims by simplifying the problem to Muawiyah VS Ali.  They shrink Islam and all of their blasphemies into this silly point.  This is the trap that Sunnis often fall into.  The Shia pits the Muslim in the position of being against Ali.  The Muslim then feels wrong about it, and the Shia declares his silly and pathetic victory.

The Truth is that neither Ali nor anyone from that Era matters today when it comes to defining what is Islam, and what makes a Muslim.  We are TOO DIFFERENT.  We are TWO RELIGIONS.  We are not One Religion.  Shiism is a lie.  The sects that you mentioned all of them seek Ali and Ahlul Bayt for:

1-  Mercy.
2-  Guidance.
3-  Inspiration.
4-  Forgiveness.
5-  Protection.


This nonsense about calling yourself "Shiat Ali" doesn't fly my dear brother.  I AM 10000000000000% FRICKEN PERCENT Pro-Ali!  And so is every Sunni on this planet.  And I say it again and again, just as Jesus and Mary are innocent from the polytheist trinitarian pagans, so is also the Prophet and Ahlul Bayt are innocent from the shia liars and the idol-worshipers.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 08:59:42 AM »
im sure no (true) sunni would say that, however, i am merely stating that some terms that were originally good things have been corrupted.
PS Not all shia say ali is alive, most say he died n 661 and muhammad al mahdi is alive

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2013, 10:42:38 AM »
im sure no (true) sunni would say that, however, i am merely stating that some terms that were originally good things have been corrupted.
PS Not all shia say ali is alive, most say he died n 661 and muhammad al mahdi is alive

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Zulfiqar,

Yes, Shias not only say Ali is alive, but he is also AMIR AL-KAWN (The Prince of entire Universe).  And Fatimah is a godess.  Allah Almighty even consults her before HE MAKES ANY DECISION!

This garbage is on Youtube and by Najaf's and Qum's TOP SCHOLARS!  Watch the many videos that were uploaded.  No Sheikh in Makkah (Mecca) would dare say anything like this and remain accepted and not get expelled from the Scholars' Community.  Yet, all kinds of blasphemies get spewed left and right and on TV and in public by the Shias.

Shiism is a poison.  I gather from what you say that even many Shias don't know what the hell this poison shiism is.  They're just Shias by name, which is ridiculous for grown adults to be like.  I can understand youngsters wanting to stick with their parents' ways, but adults should be different.

If Shiism is not a filthy and corrupt version of Islam, then we wouldn't have Najaf's and Qum's top scholars come on TV and spew blasphemies.  These are the Shias' two holiest cities along with Karbala and maybe a few others.  But the RELIGIOUS CAPITAL CITIES (THE MECCAS) OF THE RELIGION OF SHIISM are Najaf in Iraq and Qum in Iran.  No two would argue about this.

As to Mahdi being alive, again another empty Shia claim that has no bases in Islam.  Shias claim that Mahdi is alive and is here on earth in flesh and blood, but hasn't come out of his hiding yet.  And how do they "prove" or justify this empty claim?  Here this:

Shia Justification:  You Sunnis claim that Jesus Christ was lifted up to Heaven in his Physical Body.  It's been more than 2000 years and he is still in that body.  Also Noah lived for 950 years in his body here on earth.  So how can the Mahdi not be in a physical body here and hiding?

Sunni Response:  These are Prophets of Allah Almighty that Allah Almighty Chose to have them live for as long as He, the Almighty, Willed for them to live.  But no where in our Islamic texts does it say the Mahdi is alive today in a physical body and is hiding.  We believe that he will come someday.  He will be born from a father and mother.

The Shias' claims are based on empty sources.  They are sources that were written 500 to 600 years after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty.

As to Ali and seeking him.  If you seek Ali in Supplications or Prayers to help you, or aid you, or protect you, or have mercy on you, or guide you, then you are an idol worshiper.  You are supposed to go directly to Allah Almighty and Speak with Him.  This speaking with dead people is an Shia invention.

Shias bring a Noble Verse about one of the Prophets asked his father to ask Allah Almighty to help him.  Having a pious person make a Supplication for you is different from seeking the dead, or constantly relying on someone and constantly seeking someone to be between you and GOD Almighty. 

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2013, 02:57:02 PM »
Asalamu Alaykum brother Osama

i have been living in a shia country most of my life and i have never seen any shia says Ali(AS) is alive or Fatimah(SA) is a godess.

please Brother for the last time i am asking you don't lie against the shias or anyone else,if you are a good muslim,some shia scholars may lie about sunnis but they never say such nonsense at all.

go to Iran and if you see a single shia says that come and slap me on face and say reza you are a liar.

i am not a shia nor sunni,but i hate liars
i don't know where you get these information or who told you that.
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2013, 03:44:21 PM »
Reza,

I have removed the F words that you wrote in Arabic.  Don't do it again please, or else I will be forced to ban you.

As to what you wrote, you're either IGNORANT, or you're a LIAR!  Countless Youtube videos are given to you of countless top shia scums from the shias' two holliest cities, Qum and Najaf.  You have video and audio that demonstrates what the filthy shia religion is.  And you come here very boldly claim that none of this exists. 

If it doesn't exist in your circle of people, then why are you getting so personal about it.  This is not about IRANIANS.  This is about SHIAS.  I haven't attacked Iranians.  And I know that half of Iran are anti-Islam anyway.  You're Islam-hating Persians, and Iran is using the Arab Shias as toilet papers for its own agenda, almost exactly as the zionist Jews use the neo-con Christians as toilet papers to serve their agendas.  With their blood and their wealth they serve the zionists' evil agendas.  The same is happening to the non-Iranian Shias.  So cool your jets and don't spew F words garbage here.

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2013, 04:53:08 PM »
Brother Osama

you see ,you have always misunderstood me.Brother, i swear to our brotherhood i have never seen a shia from any countries says that.
i am not getting so personal about it at all and i didn't say you are attacking Islam.all i am saying is this,there should be difference between a true muslim and liar.i know shias lie about sunni and i know that sunni lie about shias.

when you say Iran is using arabs as toilet paper,you mean the whole nation,but i am telling this regime is not our representatives and nobody likes this regime here
 
there is a big difference between Iranian people and Iranian regime. whether you want to believe me or not,but i am telling you the truth.

your duty as a muslim is to correct them not insult them or lie to them.i  am not supporting anyone but i just want all the muslims to be united and have wahdah always.
it is you brother who needs to cool his Jet not me.i don't like shia or sunni scholars and i am saying it clearly
i am just a MUSLIM and i follow authentic hadiths and the Quran
to hell with any liars and anyone who wants to break the wahdah of Muslims

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2013, 04:58:53 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

Checkout this Youtube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT6btlGJBJw.  In Minute 17:00, the German convert to Islam is taught that Ali is the CONTROLLER of Paradise.

This video is one of the MANY videos on youtube, which I've linked their channels at: www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links.

Take care,
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2013, 09:40:34 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,

Check out this short 9-minute debate between a shia "scholar" and a Sunni Scholar.  Watch how the rabid shia who called Abu Bakr and Omar as kuffar (infidels) got silenced with Truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=W0eI_0e3lwk&feature=fvwp

And what how the shias call Ahlul Bayt GOD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GXrd8BMcc.

All of this in video for all to see.

Take care,
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2013, 11:06:36 AM »
To Brother Osama

you called me an Anti-Islam persian,what did you Arabs do to serve Islam?
you Arabs are all munafeq,even Rasulallah(SAWS) couldn't make you behave like humans,nobody else can do it!
who were you before Islam?and even After Islam?
your women used to put a flag above their tent when their men was not around as a sign to say that i am ready to have sex.burring little infant girls alive just because they were girls.
when there a great empire in Persia before Islam there were 17 libraries in the Persia and in the entire of Saudi Arabia were only 17 people who could read.Abu Musa Ashari was one of them that later on was fooled by Amro Ibn As.
who was Yazid Ibn Muwviah?he was an Arab who used to rape monkeys for your information.

you keep talking bad against Iranians and calling us anti-islam.what did you Barbaric Arabs do to serve Islam?for your information Sahih Al-Bukhari was collected by a Persian not by Arabs.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari

i told you over and over i am not a Sunni or a Shia,Just a Muslim,if you understand this simple English.
when i saw your website and started reading your Articles,everyday i used to pray for you and say thank you for the information that you put on the website.

your website was supposed to be answering christianity,not answering Islam or Shia or Sunni.
but the more and more i read your posts and calling those lost sheep of shias as kufar,the more and more i get disappointed with you.

can't you behave like a civilized person and calling those shias to have a discussion and talk to them?whether they are right or wrong there is a GOD and he will judge all of us.

my first post was about Masjidul Aqsa,i saw Palestinians were praying near there on TV for friday praying and this question hit my head that we all muslims are supposed to pray towards mecca why are they praying near Masjidul Aqsa and you have turned this question to shia and sunni lies and stuff.

i will not reply you any longer and i ask Allah only to Guide you and put you on the right track.
go kill every single shia that you see,even the little infants and see this way  if you can help Islam and serve Islam and save Islam.

for the last time i am telling you this god damn regime is not our representatives in the world.


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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2013, 01:31:58 PM »
Why are you guys bringing race into this all of a sudden?

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2013, 05:06:26 PM »
peace my bros
stop with this
I want to tell you this both of you guys, Mr. Abdallah and Reza this
mr abdallah, you created this website and im thankful for this, more people should be like you, you are very moderate and dont like over censorship, this is what the muslim world needs
reza, you dont consider yourself sunni or shia, same with me, you're actually one of the few, so cool beans.

But both are making mistakes
first reza
Arabs have a civilization, a great civilization, its true we were not scientifically developed as the persians but we still had a civilization and culture before and after islam. i see some of your comments are anti arab, we have a culture and a civilization, true,m our politics needs help, but then, look at iran, afghanistan, tajikistan, azerbaijan, pakistan (traditional iranian territories). we had great scientist, jabir bin hayyan was an arab of the azd tribe, ibn khaldun was also one, and there was also persians like biruni and al razi, and never forget there were arab scientist working along side there persian collegues.

Mr. abdallah, i dont deny that there are some shia that worship ali and over emphasis his imporatnce, some are even going to the extent of commiting shik and (forbidden) innovation, the videos on youtuvbe prove this. However, you should know that the majority of the shias, although they over emphasis ali, odnt worship him or say that he is god, the twelver and the zaydi sects are proof of this, some ismailis also follow this doctrine. The alavis and the alawis sometimes worship ali and this is fact, or consider him in a trinity, but we shouldn't use this to portray all shias. in addition, the sources you used, the youtube videos have biased agaisnt shias in them, i.e. the were made for the purpose of bashing and/or refuting shias.

as a brother once said "instead of killing each other on whther to fold our arms during prayers or not, we should fight the people who want to chop them of", it was a comment on hyoutube that i found.
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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2013, 07:09:31 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

Thank you very much dear brother Zulfiqar for this wonderful post.  May Allah Almighty greatly bless you!  Ameen.  As always, you have once again demonstrated your wonderful wisdom and great manners and attitude.  May Allah Almighty bless you akhi.  Ameen.

As to dear brother Reza, Allah Almighty is my witness, the brother never offended me.  I love brother Reza and love all Muslims with all of my heart!  I sincerely mean it.  It is also far from me to consider all Shias as idol worshipers.  I never generalize.  I do however have issues with the over emphasis.  I am not into sects namings that much :).  A person could be from a certain group, and that group is known to be moderate, but the person might be very extreme.

Anyway dear brother.  I am very sorry to have offended some of you.  I most certainly didn't mean to personally offend any person.  I hope that brother Reza, brother Zulfiqar and brother Tanveer and all brothers and sisters and non-Muslims here accept my apology :).

And like I said, I never once got offended from dear brother Reza.  I love him and would be there for him as a Muslim brother, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Why do Palestinians still pray towards Masjidul Aqsa?
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2013, 07:42:04 PM »
You dont have to hope with me Bro Osama. You know ill always accept your apologies even though im not offended at all. It was just getting a bit ridiculous ya know? ;)

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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2013, 12:19:14 PM »
AsalamuAlaykum To All of My brothers here

A special thank to brother zulfiqarchucknorris and Tanveer and brother Osama

I am sorry if i said anything against Arabs,i didn't mean it brothers,i got angry a little bit.
Osama you know that i love you like my own brother,why did you say that?
you know that i have told you i am not a monafeq or a hypocrite and i don't lie,why did you think i lie to you?

the shias in Iran that i know they do not worship Ali(AS) or Fatimah(SA),i swear to our brotherhood.maybe in other countries they do,but for sure in Iran they don't as far as i know.
you know,one of my friends said,oneday in England he met some shias from Iraq and Lebenan and they told him,you Iranians are not shia because you don't cut and break your heads during Ashura.

now i understand some of the things you said were true.but still i am telling you,the shias in Iran they just go to the graves of Imams and pray to Allah and say SALAM to Imams and come back,just a ziarat not worshiping them at all.

This GOD DAMN REGIME is not our representatives.i swear to our brotherhood.you know soon there will be a presidential election,but i can tell you who is the next president now even before the election.because even if nobody goes and vote some devil will be chosen.everything is arranged already.

I would like to ask you to come and visit Iran,and my house's door is always open to you dear brothers,all of you,Tanveer,zulfiqarchucknorris,Osama.

I pray,i fast,i read the Quran but i am not a good muslim,good muslims were those people from yemen and bangladish when i was in Malaysia and at night after salat Esha used to go to people's houses and knock their doors and ask them come to the Masjid and pray.they were real muslims,i really miss them.i used to go with them quite a few times and i was mamor,but i was sitting there and just watching how they were talking to people sincerely and asking them to come the masjid.

when i was in malaysia,it was such an eye opening,because Allah wanted me to find the truth.i hate anyone who wants to break the chain of Islam and wahdah of Muslims.
from my point of view,shias are muslims too but they are lost.they need your help to correct them.with killing them and insulting them,nothing can be solved.
some of my friends' relatives went to Saudi Arabia for Haj and a guy came to him and told him,are you a muslim or a shia?
what is this?
for the last time,please do not post anything about this shia or sunni thing,stick to the rope of Allah and do not separate people.this is a fitna by non-muslims to break the wahdah of muslims. believe me brothers ,hindus are laughing at us because of this sunni and shia thing.
in Iran we don't care if you are a shia or a sunni or a non-muslim,however it matters for the GOD DAMN regime.
this GOD DAMN REGIME is so bad,that many people are hating Islam and becoming unbeliever or converting to christianity or other religions because of this GOD DAMN REGIME.

in the past,people were more religious in Iran but nowadays my generation do not believe in GOD and worse will be the next generations.we hate this regime and can't wait to get rid of it.
may the curse of Allah be upon those who want to break the Wahdah of Muslims.
In my city there are many Arabs,you can google it and see it for yourself,and they are really nice people,among them are bad people as well.but majority are ok.
forgive me everyone again if i have offended anyone.i didn't mean anything,i was just angry.

 

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